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Susan Treggiari

Page needs some pruning of the bibliography published for her. I think I took this from her Lady Margaret Hall webpage. The website appears to be being re-done and all the links on the Wiki page have consequently broken, and there is no material on her on the website. I'm hoping they put it back and will sort it out then. Happy for anyone else to do this who wants to of course...

--Claire 75 (talk) 13:2, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Notability guidance and also independence of editors from people whose pages we edit

Have had drawn to our attention that one or two of the people we have created pages for do not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for academics and have removed a page from the target list on that basis as a result of a request. Outside the project editors are naturally free to create and edit as they see fit, however there are good reasons not to create pages under the auspices of #WCCWiki for academics who do not meet the notability threshold - it risks the reputation of what we do and diverts our scarce resources (time, energy) away from pages that really merit higher priority attention.

We've discussed some of the problems with the notability guidance, but at present we are not challenging these within Wikipedia; it may be something we want to think about for the future? Likewise, we are not pruning the pages of Wikipedia to remove pages that do not meet the notability threshold-this is also a useful service but does not seem to me to fit the aims of the project. Academics notability guidance is here.

There is also the issue within a small discipline such as classics, that we often inescapably know the people whose pages we edit. The guidance on conflict of interest is protective of editors as well as the people with pages on Wikipedia, so please can editors make sure that they do not edit pages of people who they have professional (or personal) relationships, e.g., immediate colleagues or people we supervise/manage or are supervised/managed by. We've enough editors and pages that need editing to be able to avoid conflicts of interest. Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidance is here.

--Claire 75 (talk) 08.42, 15 Dec 2017 (UTC)

Aere perennius

I keep meaning to attend the online sessions but keep missing them as they move around.. Anyway, it occurs to me to mention that there have been a series of deletion nominations for various ancient noblewomen, princesses and the like. Typically, I pick these up during Prod patrol and they then go to AfD. Here's some recent examples of topics that may be of interest:

1. Ulpia (grandmother of Hadrian)
2. Virginity fraud
3. Tarquinia (mother of Lucius Brutus)
4. Erminethrudis
5. Black people in ancient Roman history

Andrew🐉(talk) 12:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: - Thanks for flagging these here. Admittedly, I hadn't seen any of them going for AfD! So a warning there to more closely follow page logs on associated Wikiprojects. I've skimmed over a few of the AfD discussions and for what its worth, thanks on behalf of WCCWiki for your appropriate defence of several of these articles. Seems to be one particular user who has got a bee in their bonnet about notability ruining it for everyone. Eyes peeled for future developments. Zakhx150 (talk) 12:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

So let me remind you all about Wikipedia:Women's Classical Committee/Article alerts. Articles which have {{Women's Classical Committee}} on their talk page are monitored by an Article Alerts system, which reports on status changes such as deletion nominations, good & featured article nominations &c. Obvs the system will only succeed if WCC members add the template to pages the project is interested in. I've taken the liberty of adding Wikipedia:Women's Classical Committee#Article alerts at the foot of the main page. Might go on a talk-page tagging spree later. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

And here's an example Petscan query, which lists talk pages of articles in Category:Women classical scholars which lack the {{Women's Classical Committee}} template & hence will not be picked up by Article Alerts; 54 articles lack the template, as I write, but maybe zero by the time you read. The query can easily be repurposed to look at other categories, by amending the categories value in the categories tab. (The other bit of setup in that petscan is in the Template&links tab, in which the top-right box has values for the talk page ("use talk page instead") not having the template "Women's Classical Committee") --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Final thought: if you visit Wikipedia:Women's Classical Committee/Article alerts and add it to your watchlist, you'll be able to see each time it's updated, such that you can attend to AfDs in a timely fashion. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:21, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Worth looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, which seems to have its article alert act very well together - the "What have we achieved?" section is their Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome/Article alerts doodab; very informative. You could watchlist that, too :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up @Tagishsimon:. I had totally blanked on adding the WP alerts page to my watchlist, so sorted that one out! The WP colour table thingy does already exist on the WP main space at Wikipedia:Women's Classical Committee/Aims. An argument could be made to do some cleaning up of the various WP pages here. Will add it to the backburner and ask project folks for thoughts. Many thanks. Zakhx150 (talk) 15:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

As well as WP:CGR, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women's_History/Article_alerts may also be of interest. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 16:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

And, come to that, there's also User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Women's Classical Committee, which builds a table of items based on the importance= and class= parameters of {{Women's Classical Committee}} and then provides lists of articles in all of the importance/class combinations (linked from the numbers in the table). No end of perhaps hitherto unknown toys for WCC to play with. Here it is in full colour; it, too, could be added to the main page, should you choose. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Women's Classical Committee articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
GA		1	2	12	15
B	2	3	3	20	28
C		14	7	207	228
Start	1	24	8	395	428
Stub		3		41	44
List				1	1
NA			1		1
Assessed	3	45	21	676	745
Total	3	45	21	676	745
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 3,430			Ω = 4.62

20% women's biographies on English Wikipedia

Hello friends, if you follow Wikiproject Women in Red you might have seen that the proportion of women's biographies on English Wikipedia just tipped over 20% and it's a fatastic achievement for everyone!!! I'd like to do a post on Diff (the Wikimedia Foundation's blog) about it and would love to add perspectives from this project (as well as others) - a draft is here, please please add to it. If you can edit it before, I'm hoping to post something 18:00 UTC on 21 Dec Lajmmoore (talk) 07:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)