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Lead images in infobox for serial articles

I notice that An Unearthly Child and many subsequent serial articles have a non-free TV screengrab as the lead image. I has previously started to add lead images to story articles, such as The Android Invasion, and these were summarily removed on the grounds that "image does not conform with WP:NFCC#8 policy". So why one rule for some articles but not others? Is a non-free lead image (with appropriate fair use rationale of course) permitted or not? Cnbrb (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

NFCC#8 concerns "Contextual significance": Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Most of the episode/serial articles used an image in its infobox solely for the existance of an image and no other reason. The image at An Unearthly Child is contextually significant, as well as the fact that it includes a sourced caption. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, a lot of these were added before the image rules became stricter and no one has gotten around to removing them yet (see also the recent culling of non-notable articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Article alerts‎). DonQuixote (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Per what Alex_21 said, the image needs to actually aid in the viewer's understanding of the article. For instance, with An Unearthly Child, it is used to show what reviewers meant. In this instance, the TARDIS interior is described as "breathtaking," and this description makes more sense when an image is supplied showing the TARDIS interior in the episode. This aids in readers' understanding of the topic.

If you wish to add infobox images, I'd suggest adding a caption to describe the significance of the image, as well as actually having the image be relevant to the readers' understanding. In the context of The Android Invasion, a lot of what is notably covered in reviews is already described in images (For instance, the reviews praising the robots technically have an image in the form The Bionic Woman comparison image, and a depiction of the main antagonist is shown with the DW Experience photo.) I suppose the only thing I could think of would be a screencap of the episode depicting some of the android duplicates in action, but even then I feel that might be stretching. However, I will say that the case may be different depending on the article. For instance, off the top of my head, "The Timeless Children" discusses a lot about the Timeless Child twist. An image could potentially be useful in identification of the subject there, as currently the article uses no images. This is obviously an example, and I'm not saying "Go do that," but it should hopefully help give a clear idea of when an infobox image may be needed. Pokelego999 (talk) 19:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, in the specific case of The Android Invasion, I added a lead image of Sarah-Jane Smith's robot face falling off (I think it was a cliffhanger shot at the end of episode 2 or 3). This bore direct relation to the discussion in the article of android duplicates and reviewers' Bionic Woman comparisons. To my mind, this "increases readers' understanding of the article topic", but somehow this was not enough. It got deleted. This all seems very subjective - how is it "stretching"? Why does this not apply to The Daleks (free images of Daleks are readily available) The Edge of Destruction - both feature copyrighted TV screenshots? Surely by this measure, the article text is all I need to have an understanding of the episode. And yet, the jacket art of Target novelisations are always permitted without textual discussion of the artwork - surely this does not increase my understanding that a book exists? You can see how bewildering this is. Cnbrb (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Android duplicates are so ubiquitous in popular media that readers probably don't need another example. Also, the Edge of Destruction image probably isn't necessary and could be removed and the the Dalek image could probably be replaced with a free image. Jacket art for books are generally acceptable in the same way theatrical posters for films are. DonQuixote (talk) 11:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

To be fair to the Dalek image, that one is described in reviews, so it's not exactly there for no reason. Edge of Destruction is a bit more iffy though, as I'm not sure the broken clock is necessary for understanding beyond showing off the set. Pokelego999 (talk) 18:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

It's part of the story, the TARDIS is attempting to inform the Doctor - via a series of initially-inexplicable occurrences (such as clocks with melted faces) - that there is something amiss with the control settings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the Edge of Destruction image meets NFCC#8; it doesn't increase the reader's understanding of any production information, or even the plot of the episode, merely illustrates it. The clock isn't even mentioned elsewhere in the article. It's hard to see how that was retained while others were removed. U-Mos (talk) 16:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

The clocks are indeed not mentioned in the present version of the article, but two of the refs (Doctor Who: The Beginning and The Edge of Destruction) certainly do mention them. I can add sourced text (from e.g Howe, Stammers & Walker) if you like. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I was told some years ago that the Dalek flying up the stairs used on Remembrance of the Daleks failed this guideline but the file itself was not deleted from Commons, suggesting the opposite. I want to improve Remembrance when I get the time so I fully intend to restore said image. Spa-Franks (talk) 22:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

That file was not uploaded to Commons; it is used on Dalek and its fair use rationale, though perhaps a little outdated, is for that article only. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

And as I maintained at the time, one can easily create a fair use rationale for using it on the Remembrance article, on similar grounds indicting the first time a Dalek was explicitly shown conquering stairs, which was achieved with part practical FX and part CG (or "video effects" as it was known then). Spa-Franks (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure, and you are welcome to do so. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Doctor Who for FA

I think it would be a good idea to get the article for Doctor Who itself to FA in honour of the 60th. If there is any intrest then I think it is feasible, if not then theres always the 70th. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Series 15

Given Davie's absolute dedication to usher in a golden new era of Who, I've already started the next draft at Draft:Doctor Who (series 15). -- Alex_21 _TALK 00:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Davros's Article

The article for Davros has been tagged that it "may not Wikipedia's general notability guideline." Given that Davros is a very important article in this WikiProject's scope, I thought I'd bring this up here in case anyone is able to help improve the article's sourcing state. I'll probably end up going through and seeing if I can dig up anything myself once I've got free time on my hands, but I felt it best to inform you all regardless. Pokelego999 (talk) 15:51, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Latest articles

Just a list of all the latest articles and drafts existing for upcoming episodes/series of Who:

• Doctor Who (2023 specials)

• Draft:The Star Beast (Doctor Who)
• Draft:Wild Blue Yonder (Doctor Who)
• Draft:The Giggle

• Doctor Who (series 14)
  • Draft:The Church on Ruby Road
• Doctor Who (series 15)

-- Alex_21 _TALK 10:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

BBCCDW needs to use archived links

{{BBCCDW}} is linking to classic Doctor Who pages that no longer hold any content, e.g.

• The Three Doctors at BBC Online

links to https://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/threedoctors/ which only has three lines:

• "In Detail" – dead link
• "Cast & Crew" – dead link
• "Original Paperwork" – still works.[1]

The Internet Archive still holds the original details, cast & crew e.g. [2]. I recommend extending the template so that it also links to this. – Fayenatic London 11:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it's been that way for a while now! U-Mos (talk) 13:11, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Doctor Who and the Pirates

Someone PRODded Doctor Who and the Pirates. I objected and added a little to the article. Can anyone please take a look and see if you can add any useful cites to the article? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

PRODs

Hello, WikiProject,

There are a lot of Doctor Who-related articles that have been tagged for Proposed Deletion several days ago. The ones I looked at didn't have this WikiProject mentioned in the assessment on the article talk page so I don't know if they will be included in the deletion alert for this WikiProject. But you can find them by browsing User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary, I believe for the November 22nd date. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this notice Liz, I'll look around and see what I can save... probably not much though Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Doctor Who (series 14) § RFC: Title of this article, and following seasons

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Doctor Who (series 14) § RFC: Title of this article, and following seasons. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Doctor Who (series 14)#Requested move 2 December 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Doctor Who (series 14)#Requested move 2 December 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 00:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Bulk deletion of Big Finish articles

Big RfD on a pile of Big Finish articles that could use eyes. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Harvest (audio drama) is the active one, with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colditz (audio drama) having already closed and deleted the article on Storm Warning, which surely could have been salvaged given the coverage it would have gotten as McGann’s return. But honestly, all of these should have multiple sources given how widely reviewed they are. El Sandifer (talk) 05:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Dan Lewis

Why has Dan Lewis’ page been deleted? AlwaysBi (talk) 00:04, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@AlwaysBi: If you mean Dan Lewis (Doctor Who), it wasn't deleted but redirected, and the relevant discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Lewis (Doctor Who). --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 00:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

But he no longer has his own, individual page like other main companions. AlwaysBi (talk) 17:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

This was because no significant coverage, analysis, or commentary on the character could be found when editors searched for it. This is most likely due to his short tenure more than anything else (Cause Dan was a great character) but in any case, policy dictates that there just wasn't enough for an article. I will note this isn't the first time this has happened (For instance, Katarina and Kamelion both had their articles redirected per a lack of SIGCOV) as well as the fact that Dan has potential for being brought back in the future (Should be brought back in a recurring role like Mel, for instance, there's a good chance of it there.) As it stands now, Dan just lacks what it takes for a proper article divorced from the Companion list. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Proposal regarding season article naming

There is a proposal to change the naming conventions of TV season articles from the current practice of XXX (season 1) to XXX, season 1 or XXX season 1. As such a change would affect a substantial number of articles, you are invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Move TV seasons from parenthetical disambiguation to comma disambiguation. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Update: Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Follow-up RfC on TV season article titles. Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Prod at Silver Lining (audio drama)

Hi guys, just a quick message that the above article has a PROD on it (unsourced since 2008). If anyone has any sources, I'd add them now. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Infobox audio drama and the set_between parameter

In perusing Category:Pages using infobox audio drama with unknown parameters, every entry is a Big Finish audio drama based on Doctor Who. The parameter that is throwing the error (look to Legend of the Cybermen for an example) is "set_between," which appears to have been added in 2006, but removed in 2015. The template does have "preceding" and "following" parameters, but seems fitting for real-life sequential entries in a series, while this old field was meant for an in-universe placement in the Whovian timeline.

So, thoughts on what to do? Zaathras (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I could remove this parameter with AWB for all pages within that category, if there are no objections. -- Alex_21 _TALK 08:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Before the parameter is removed, I feel we should note in each article the information that is contained in the "set_between" parameter. For example, with the Legend of the Cybermen article, we would write somewhere in the article that the story is set between The Wreck of the Titan and The Curse of Davros. Lotsw73 (talk) 12:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I should've added this in my first message, but does anyone agree or disagree with my idea? I'd be happy to do this task myself if there are no objections.

And when I have done the task, I will notify you, @Alex 21, so that you can then remove the parameter, if indeed there are no objections from anyone else about removing the parameter. Lotsw73 (talk) 13:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Beginning task. Will let you, @Alex 21, know when I'm done. Lotsw73 (talk) 07:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Alex 21: Finished. You can now remove the parameter. Lotsw73 (talk) 00:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@Lotsw73  Done -- Alex_21 _TALK 10:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, @Zaathras. Cheers. Lotsw73 (talk) 11:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

No prob, just something I came across. There's only 1 entry left with a different issue, The Hollows of Time, which is complaining about a "Production" parameter. I'm not sure what that section of the infobox is trying to convey, so I will leave it to more experienced hands. Zaathras (talk) 22:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Update the to-do list?

Hi everyone, I was just wondering whether it would be worth updating the to-do list currently seen at the top of this talk page. It was last updated in 2007. As I am new to this WikiProject, I can't update the list myself, because I don't know what the current aims for this WikiProject are. Your thoughts would be very much appreciated. Lotsw73 (talk) 05:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

For example, if it is worth updating the list, a new goal could be to "Create articles for new Doctor Who episodes" or to "Get the main Doctor Who article to featured status". Could any of the current items in the to-do list be replaced with more up-to-date goals? I feel that if the list was updated, it would make it more easier for new members to know which articles to work on and the ways in which they can help with this WikiProject. Lotsw73 (talk) 00:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Rhain, @OlifanofmrTennant, @Alex_21, @Redrose64, @U-Mos... Any thoughts? Lotsw73 (talk) 05:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Definatly in need of an update. Im working to find a citation for all of the citation needed tags on the then I think a bit of expansion. I'm trying to get it to GA for the WP:WikiCup. Here are some reasonable goals: Get all New Who series to GA (only 2 and 13 are not GA). If we could get the main page to GA and the remaing two series we could score a GT. Get atleast one doctor to GA. Maybe work on the SJA episodes most of those arent in a great state. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

These goals sound good to me, @OlifanofmrTennant; I will add them to the to-do list soon. Does anyone else have any goals they would like to add? Any out-of-date goals we can get rid of? Lotsw73 (talk) 10:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

To do 4 is maintain FAs we have a few FFAs mabye we could work to restore those? 1 could go probably. Lotsw73 which Doctor should be the priority? Rhain Alex_21, Redrose64, U-Mos Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

It's a tough choice, but I'd say the Fourth Doctor, since he is probably the most recognisable Doctor in the show's history. It's already a B-class article. A good resource is Doctor Who: The Handbook: The Fourth Doctor (1992), though unfortunately I don't have a copy of this. If someone does, then that would be a must-have resource to use in that article. Lotsw73 (talk) 09:04, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant (and everyone else): On second thoughts, the Fourteenth Doctor and some of the new series Doctors would be easier to promote to good article status. Lotsw73 (talk) 05:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I plan to nominate The Star Beast (Doctor Who) for GA Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Split the History of Doctor Who article?

Hi everyone, Do we need to split the History of Doctor Who article? Is the current article too long? Or does it make more sense to leave the article as it is? I'm leaving this open to all members of this WikiProject, so please participate. Kind regards, Lotsw73 (talk) 12:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Its readable prose size is currently 72 kB and 12,000 words, so it could be split, but personally I think it's fine for now. At the very least, it should probably be copy-edited (per the maintenance templates) before any split attempts are made. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 21:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It could be split History of Doctor Who (1963-1989), History of Doctor Who (1990-2004), History of Doctor Who (2005-) But I do agree that it should be cleaned up Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Tardis Wiki

From what was [announced] in the Doctor Who subreddit, the community which ran tardis.fandom.com fell out with the hosting company and decided to move everything to tardis.wiki instead. This may require some URLs to be updated. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

{{TardisDataCore}} has already been updated, so any articles using that template should be safe. Any links not using the template should probably be converted. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

This is the search for if anyone wants to keep an eye on it (I only had to convert two to templates). I also had to revert the update at {{TardisDataCore}}, as the change of parameters broke linkage, but I endeavour to link further into it. -- Alex_21 _TALK 09:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death move proposed

I've proposed that Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death be moved to The Curse of Fatal Death, for hopefully apparent reasons. Not requested as a technical move due to the potential alternative of Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death (where the page resided until 2015). See Talk:Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death#Requested move 16 March 2024. U-Mos (talk) 11:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Time to change the infobox "original network" parameters per the closing logos at last

Simply put, pay close attention to the "Reason" field of that diff and in and ideal universe, implement the change in infobox of main Doctor Who article and all foreseeable sub-articles from so-called "Series 14" onwards accordingly. I'm doing this because I know better that it won't result in what's bona fide sensible, consider it's like appealing upto the Final Court of Appeals in a banana anocracy, just so I have the self-satisfaction of being borne out in general, as should be anticipated (if not expected [from this 2½+ decades old site], somehow). No pressure for imparting social-media wisdom here. (I have gotten even more citation/evidence to prove that the YT comments &/or reddit-level keyboard-war hand-waiving that "it's just nEtFlIx dOiNg hApPy! & rIvErDalE" (in very few territories, and certainly even there uncredited in a way Disney Branded Television is being credited in this case) adaptations, but as a self-anointed 'voracious researcher', I'm well-aware of the intricacies of this project/website and quite a lot of hilarious WP:PETTIFOG in say, anything with remotely [any kind of] political implications, that it's better to do the service of munching popcorns and read from the sidelines. You know? Instead of jumping in the mud oneself.) —2409:40E3:1038:8EBA:74E6:27FF:FEAB:711 (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

As much as I can't make head nor tail of this comment... Yes, Disney+ should be listed as an original network from 2023 onwards. It's very clear that they are actively co-producing the show now. U-Mos (talk) 20:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

No, the |network= parameter—in both {{Infobox television}} and {{Infobox television season}}—is meant to contain the original network in the country of origin only. For Doctor Who, that is BBC One. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Just off the top of my head, His Dark Materials (TV series), Anne with an E, I May Destroy You, Neighbours, all list their co-commisioning co-prod networks in infoboxes. Because they are original networks. That's what Disney+ is for Doctor Who now. U-Mos (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

His Dark Materials and I May Destroy You have two countries of origin, hence two original networks. Unless Doctor Who is considered a co-production between the UK and US, Disney+ remains inappropriate in the infobox. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Obviously the production (like with HDM and IMDY) is based in the UK, but yes, it is a co-production with a US-based network now. What's the distinction? U-Mos (talk) 11:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

HDM and IMDY's infoboxes both name the UK and US as countries of origin, so two networks is logical. Doctor Who only lists the UK, so only the UK network (BBC One) should be named. Unless the US is added to |country= (and Disney to |company=), listing Disney+ in |network= is inappropriate per template documentation. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 11:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, they should all be added. U-Mos (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I disagree; I don't think Disney should be listed as a production company. Compare the production logos from 2022 (pre-Disney) and 2023 (post-Disney):

• The former says "BBC Studios for BBC" (Studios being the production company, BBC the distributor)
• The latter says "Bad Wolf with BBC Studios Productions for Disney [and] BBC" (Bad Wolf and Studios Productions being production companies, Disney and BBC distributors)

Disney would have been appropriate for the |distributor= parameter (before it was deprecated in March) but I don't think it's appropriate in |company= now. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I replied in a rush yesterday. Looking again at the documentation and the production logos above, I agree that the production company parameter shouldn't include Disney. That doesn't preclude the US from being a country of origin and Disney+ being an original network per the template documentation and their co-commissioning role. Commissioning networks do impact countries of origin listed; see The Crown (TV series), for instance, which I believe has been discussed at length. I'm not sure how helpful the country of origin field is in the multinational streaming services era, especially as the documentation treats it as self-evident, but that's a broader question. U-Mos (talk) 10:44, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Rhain:, now-Alex_21 and all like-minded folks: This is meant personally at you was gonna bring-up the fallacy of "production company" but it there are gazillions is examples in not just binational/multinational TV co-commissions, but even single straightforward commissions which don't have their anchor 'station' as one of the production companies/houses listed so since you evidently have done the hardwork of citing the copyrighted material which I referenced the most (in addition to that URL in diff "reason") which I possibly couldn't sustain here owing to WikiCommons and my solemn gratitude to you for that, I must point-out that it was WP:SYNTH on your part to begin with. For starters, the infobox doc is not even MoS and unlike actual MoS for WP:TV, it doesn't even remotely consider how to deal with binational/multinational co-commissions in TV, something which didn't preclude innumerable TV co-commissions' articles to have that infobox, anyways. And no, it's not WP:OTHERSTUFF simply because as I've indicated already, it's the norm. Not that essays (or in other words, blog-posts) should hold that much value, when even WP:IAR exists. On the other hand, WP:FILM articles are where "country of origin" is decided by prodco[s] involved, so I can see where you were coming from. But that would mean none of UK's maverick Channel 4's co-commissions could ever be listed as one, nevermind the fact that number of examples cited in regards to HBO are already example of the very same. Moving on.. There are still quite a number of articles where it's not exactly cut-&-dry on "home country", either. Normal People adaptation doesn't list all of the countries where co-commissioners are [globally] HQed out of, so do OG The Night Manager adaptation, 'The Pope' TV franchise, non-NGC's-but-sister-concern's Taboo, and.. You get the gist? While it may certainly not be as numerous as the seemingly now-settled "production companies" conundrum, I still can't exhaustively cite even a quarter of them, just to be reasonable about my very human limitations. (Also why I won't cite other articles in similar shapes.) And yes, there's a reason why I didn't bring-up any European TV doc-miniseries [somehow] covered on this site, either, given how many partners across countries and even continents chip into those 'crowdcommissions'. I don't hope for anything sensible, as I already indicated. Since that's all on the whimsy of senior Wikipedians who would hog all the credit to themselves, even if they would have simply come around to the very same points being raised here sooner or later. It is already a bad-thing that others haven't been attributed over some bizzare fealty/romanticism towards British State media for the batch-of-episodes they were credited.

While there must be new to adapt as "New Year's Resolution" towards editorial practices on this site, but Happy New Year from my end, nevertheless. —2409:40E3:3B:C726:2C5C:51FF:FEEA:BC39 (talk) 17:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

P.S. This may be TRIVIA.. But the order of closing logo (not gonna also contribute to the mistake of linking what's already linked once) credits in Disney+'s final-cut is differing from the UK&"RO"I final-cut till the Holiday Special, "Church on Ruby Road". It reads "BBC Studios Productions with Bad Wolf for Disney [and] BBC". In other words, the order of credited prodcos is reversed. But since the latest episode i.e. the Holiday Special, the order is now aligned: In that alphabetical-order. Whereas "For" (commissioners) credits have remained perfectly aligned, in reverse-alphabetical order. —2409:40E3:34:E772:D8B7:E7FF:FEBC:3D4F (talk) 21:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

• If one were to add Disney+ as originating "network" then one should also add CBC as the originating network for the seasons when it was a co-producer, and in the end credit. Nfitz (talk) 06:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Nah, that was a different situation. CBC added some money but it wasn't a commissioning partnership. U-Mos (talk) 10:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

We don't have the details of the Disney deal either. All we see are the end credits. Nfitz (talk) 02:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Request for comment: original network/country of origin in infoboxes

Should infoboxes describe Disney+ as an original network for Doctor Who, in addition to the BBC (and thus also add the United States as a country of origin) from 2023 onwards? U-Mos (talk) 08:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• No Just as Star Trek: Discovery is marketed as a "Netflix Original" outside of the United States despite only being a CBS All Access production, then Doctor Who is only marketed as a "Disney Original" outside of the United Kingdom despite only being a BBC production. -- Alex_21 _TALK 08:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It is a matter of contention whether this is a direct equivalence. Netflix routinely brands programming they do not commission or produce, but buy the exclusive broadcast rights to outside countries of origin, as Netflix Originals. I'm not massively familiar with Star Trek: Discovery, but it sounds like that's what's happened there. With Doctor Who, Disney have bought the rights and invested money in the production prior to the show being made. This makes them more equivalent to the co-production examples I raised above (noting that the term co-production as it's generally used would more accurately be co-commission, as it concerns commissioning networks rather than production companies). U-Mos (talk) 12:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

For the aid of any commenters coming in cold, a couple of quick sources on the level of Disney's involvement in the series' production: [3][4] U-Mos (talk) 13:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

While I disagree with the edits being made before the RFC was closed, I can see that there is a clear consensus, and I have no issues with conforming to it, so I'm changing my !vote to show my support. I do, however, expect anonymous editor pushback by those not aware of this discussion, such as this. -- Alex_21 _TALK 05:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

• Yes per U-Mos. Disney participates in the production, not just the distribution. JM (talk) 03:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Yes I've gone back and forth on this for a while, but I've just taken the time to re-evaluate some sources (bold emphasis is my own):
  • The Independent states "In October, it was announced that season 14 would be a co-production with Disney Plus."
  • The Huffington Post states "The 14th season of the beloved BBC sci-fi drama will be a co-production with Disney+."
  • Radio Times "Russell T Davies has reassured fans that Doctor Who is the "same show" it always has been, amid fears of changes as the show is now a co-production with Disney Plus."
  • The Telegraph states "The American corporation will have a say in creative decisions for Doctor Who, under the terms of a co-production deal made with the BBC over its long-running sci-fi series." and "Doctor Who is now a £100 million co-production with Disney."
  • Deadline Hollywood states "[...] Davies’ arrival preceded that of Disney+ and His Dark Materials indie Bad Wolf as co-production partners [...]" and "The vast majority of Bad Wolf’s shows in recent years have had hefty U.S. co-production investment, such as Industry and the new Doctor Who [...]"
  • NBC News states "The show is now a BBC co-production with Disney [...]"

We may not know what the actual terms of the deal are, but there becomes a point where we can't ignore the sources. The Cultbox source listed by U-Mos also gives direct quotes from Davies that Disney has actively been involved in the production process by asking for changes in the script. This also isn't unprecedented in the Doctor Who universe, the fourth series of the spin-off series Torchwood was a co-production between the BBC and the U.S. network Starz. Both networks are listed in the season and overall series infoboxes as well as both countries as a country of origin. This seems to be a similar situation going beyond just a distribution deal which makes this incomparable to Star Trek: Discovery (BBC America calling it an "original production" would be, but the sources definitely prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Disney deal is different). TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

the evidence here seems incontrovertible. JM (talk) 05:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Yes Disney+ should now be listed as an original network, per the evidence that U-Mos and TheDoctorWho have provided above. It just seems odd that the country of origin should now be changed to "the United Kingdom and the United States", when as far as I know, the show is still solely made in the UK. Lotsw73 (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  I believe it's because money and creative input are coming from the United States, not that filming is physically taking place there. I don't think filming even matters for country of origin considering GoT isn't listed as having Iceland, Ireland, and Croatia as countries of origin; I don't think any of it was filmed in the US, yet that's listed as its country of origin. JM (talk) 06:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Fair point. Thanks for explaining. :) Lotsw73 (talk) 06:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Country of Origin and production location aren't synonymous for the purposes of Template:Infobox television, there's actually even a separate parameter for that. Supergirl, Psych, 21 Jump Street, Arrow, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, Fire Country, and MacGyver are all prime examples which film in Vancouver but are considered American television series. The infoboxes on these series convey this message. And although not on a permanent basis, Doctor Who has filmed portions of its sixth series in the United States and portions of the eleventh series in South Africa. TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Aha, very interesting... thanks for the clarification. Lotsw73 (talk) 11:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• I am unsure but leaning towards Yes. The arguments above have as near as sold it for me, as has this as linked by @U-Mos (eg. "It’s a proper working relationship" and "co-producing partner"). However, if we are including it on grounds of co-production, shouldn't series 6 have BBC America included as they were co-producers for at least part of the series (production logo). And, as Davies says in the article linked above, "you haven’t watched a drama on British television in 20 years that hasn’t had American notes on it. Everything is a co-production. Watch the credits. All your favourite dramas have American co-producers." Is this the distinction between co-production and co-commission that U-Mos was making? I'm unclear whether this is a matter of production or commission; there seems to be differing opinions. Irltoad (talk) 19:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

It leans into more murky territory when we potentially don't know the level of involvement a co-funding network has/had on a show, yes. I think in this case the information we have clarifies matters enough to state that Disney are co-commisioners and an original network from now. The BBC America in series 6 example is an interesting test of where the line is. In that case, BBC America contributed to the US filming for the opening story, and may well have had an active role in that story being crafted in the first place, but they didn't commission the whole series so it would be a big swing to say they were an original network for that brief period. U-Mos (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

So, where does this leave the 1996 film? It was co-produced by both the BBC and the American Fox Broadcasting Company and produced by Universal Pictures, and even the article for it describes it as an "American-produced version" of the show and being "intended for an American audience". Surely the infobox could read "United States (1996, 2023–present)" to show this? Also, the infobox in the film's article can't list companies, hence they are listed in the infobox for the whole show. Similarly, it can't list countries of origin. Inpops (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Update: just realised that @Gonnym removed information for the 1996 film from the infobox. To me that doesn't really make sense since it is part of the show. It should stay there. Inpops (talk) 15:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

That's an oversight from my perspective, and I've added it back in. I'm not aware of any precedent of removing the movie from consideration of the TV series as a whole. U-Mos (talk) 18:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for initially forgetting to remove the RfC tag when editing the pages, but there's a clear consensus here. I have added notes to the country fields of the relevant infoboxes to hopefully avoid further edits against it. Also, following this I have made a proposal to remove the "country" parameter from television infoboxes that all are welcome to respond to. U-Mos (talk) 12:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

RFC started at Timelash

I have started an RfC on beak Two-parter vs Serial at the page Talk:Timelash. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Please note that this is not a valid RFC. -- Alex_21 _TALK 06:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Good Topics on the main page

Hi, not sure how to patch this up due to my lack of technical expertise, but the listing of Doctor Who Good Topics on the Project Page all link to Season 1 instead of the respective Season. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up its been fixed. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Doctor Who series 14 § Season 1 vs Series 14: Arbitrary break

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Doctor Who series 14 § Season 1 vs Series 14: Arbitrary break. This discussion relates to the location of season/series articles, based on the latest being retitled to a "Season 1" format, based on the current and common naming of the season. A list of moves has been proposed, based on a series of debated questions. -- Alex_21 _TALK 11:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That's a rather obscure notice, and it misses the lead. Which is adding the primary broadcast years for each season to the title of the article! Nfitz (talk) 23:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, as always. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Possible good topics?

Actors who played the Doctor

15 articles

William Hartnell

Patrick Troughton

Jon Pertwee

Tom Baker

Peter Davison

Colin Baker

Sylvester McCoy

Paul McGann

Christopher Eccleston

David Tennant

Matt Smith

Peter Capaldi ^(subtopic)

Jodie Whittaker

Ncuti Gatwa

This is one of my ideas I'll have the next few up soon. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I've nomed Capaldi's article Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I think this one is a good idea. It's quite manageable to promote each article to good status, given the amount of information that has been published on the various actors who have portrayed the Doctor. Perhaps us members of this WikiProject can focus on one Doctor at a time. Given that @OlifanofmrTennant has promoted Peter Capaldi, perhaps we can begin work on that article in earnest...? Lotsw73 (talk) 02:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually it hasn’t yet been promoted. Just nominated but yes anyone interested? I think after Capaldi the next easiest to promote would be Tennant or possibly T. Baker. The hardest would be McCoy. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Are those ratings fair? I don't think the McCoy article is start class for instance, I mean it's a long way off GA but... I think these things get reviewed and then never revisited. Rankersbo (talk) 12:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

The first one I started working on was McCoy and I was stuggling to find sources for him. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 14:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rankersbo and Lotsw73: After looking over the articles, I would suggest that Tennant and Baker are almost certainly the closest to GA. I would be willing to work on both that article and the others with anyone who is willing to help out. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant: I will have a look at improving/adding some references in those articles. Lotsw73 (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Doctor Who specials (2023)

4 articles

The Star Beast

Wild Blue Yonder

The Giggle

Contributor(s): OlifanofmrTennant, Alex21, Pokelego999, TheDoctorWho

Doctor Who series 7

15 articles

"The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe"

"Asylum of the Daleks"

"Dinosaurs on a Spaceship"

"A Town Called Mercy"

"The Power of Three"

"The Angels Take Manhattan"

"The Bells of Saint John"

"The Rings of Akhaten"

"Cold War"

"Hide"

"Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS"

"The Crimson Horror"

"Nightmare in Silver"

"The Name of the Doctor"

Gonna leave these here Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Nightmare in Silver has been promoted, leaving just The Name of the Doctor. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant Just out of curiousity, why is User:OlifanofmrTennant/sandbox/Better Call Saul GT titled Better Call Saul if it's got the 60th specials? -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alex 21:, I origanally used it for a Better Call Saul GT and I thought it would be easier to just repurpose it instead of creating a page. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Odd. No worries. -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposal at Talk:List_of_Doctor_Who_universe_creatures_and_aliens#Cleanup_Proposal

I have placed a proposal at Talk:List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens regarding the list and methods for a potential cleanup/improvement. I'd appreciate feedback/thoughts on this. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, I am planning a rewrite of List of Doctor Who supporting characters (Should this be renamed?) and am preparing the rewrite in my userspace subpage. I've mocked up a basic overview of what the article will look like, as well as what entries I plan on including in the list (Mainly attempting to keep it just to recurring characters to avoid clutter like the current list.) I still need to add spin-off characters and cite sources where applicable, but this should be a basic idea of what's planned. Asking for thoughts on this and if anything should be changed, since the list definitely needs a rewrite and I want to make sure the new list will be of a high quality. Additionally, are there any notable recurring characters I missed from the list that should be added? I believe I have mostly everyone but I feel I'm probably forgetting a few big ones. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

"Continuity" sections in Episode Articles

I've noticed these sections a lot in episode articles, and I feel mixed on them. On the one hand, these references make sense to cover if they're mentioned in reliable sources, but on the other, it feels very CRUFTy to me to just have it be stuffed in its own section where it feels like it only exists for random fans to be like "Oh hey that was an easter egg!" Admittedly, I feel like the information is better off covered in a separate section, or not at all given most references typically aren't that important to the wider scope of the episode overall. Thoughts? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

These sections need to follow WP:TRIVIA. For example, in the latest episode Empire of Death, the use of video from Pyramid of Mars (as well as the implications from that serial) looks like it can be easily confirmed, but to document every nod to past Doctors in the Memory TARDIS is likely going to be difficult using RSes. Without sources these sections should be trimmed or removed. Masem (t) 23:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops - I say that, because earlier tonight before seeing this talk page, I boldly removed the Continuity section from the latest episode. I initially left it to see what would happen after a first editor created it, but when a second editor added more unsourced cruft I felt it needed to be nipped in the bud before it became a dumping ground for trivia. I feel there are already enough references to Pyramid of Mars, particularly the Tales of the TARDIS special, that I felt the continuity mention of 'there were some clips in the episode' added nothing. And as I noted in my edit summary, I wouldn't be against documenting what appears in the remembered TARDIS, but these details would be better placed in the Production section with appropriate sourcing. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 01:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I briefly mentioned this in an edit summary on Empire of Death yesterday. Personally, I've felt like continuity sections are FANCRUFT a solid 90% of the time, even with an RS. If the information is that important it can either be written into the plot summary or into the production section from an out of universe perspective. Instead of "Archival footage from Pyramids of Mars was featured from The Doctor’s memory." (a quote from the section that was removed on Empire of Death), we could just as easily slide "The Doctor and Ruby viewed footage from his past battle with Sutekh in Pyramids of Mars into the overall plot section. It has a better flow and doesn't require a source as it's sourced to the episode itself. We all saw it. Similarly the portion reading "The Seventh Doctor’s jacket is shown in the memory TARDIS as remembered by Mel." was already worked into the filming section and reads "The set was constructed to reference past iterations of the TARDIS interior, with props from former companions and past incarnations of the Doctor being used in order to decorate the space." That's sourced and better falls within the suggestions given at WP:UNIVERSE. Even if it was sourced, it would be unnecessary to list all the references anyways as it would approach WP:INDISCRIMINATE. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Basically my thoughts. I feel continuity sections should likely be removed or redistributed in the articles they are in. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It was the sixth Docotrs jacket Mel held. But besides that i don’t know how important such a detail would be. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistent italization

So why is Spyfall (Doctor Who) not italicized while The Five Doctors is? Five Doctors is one long part while Spyfall is two. Shouldn't TFD use quotation marks like the other specials? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I assumed modern era episodes aren't italicized while classic era episodes are. I don't know what the proper rationale is for that, but it's just what I've seen when it comes to how the episodes are split. I'm admittedly unsure as to whether or not specials have a unique distinction, but in the case of Spyfall, I believe it's just using the standard modern era format. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

The episode Mission to the Unknown isn't italized and is a classic episode Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:WHO/MOS#Terminology. Basically: is it a single episode or a serial? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Single episode. It’s one part Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

All serials are multi-part episodes, but not all multi-part episodes are serials. Spyfall is thus not a serial, but yes, The Five Doctors should be in quotes. -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

If there's not any disagreement to update the formatting to match other singular-episode releases, this is the list of articles that will need updating (easily do-able through AWB). -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

For clarity, what was the rationale for leaving The Five Doctors as is when The End of Time (Doctor Who) was changed to quotation marks? I can't find that discussion, though recall it taking place. U-Mos (talk) 08:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that was me, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who/Archive 32#"The End of Time". I brought it up then forgot to ever do anything about it. -- Alex_21 _TALK 10:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, great. No objection to changing it. U-Mos (talk) 10:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Good Article Nominations

I just want to say, great job WikiProject Doctor Who for managing to get all of the most recent series up to Good Article nomination standards so soon after broadcast! Given how much of a dry patch a lot of past episodes went through for a while, it's good to see so much collaboration going on in this WikiProject. Great job, and thank you for all of your hard work.

I do want to note, however, that we have a lot of nominations up right now. I myself plan to take on the nominations for The Devil's Chord and The Daleks' Master Plan, but even then we still have eight nominations up, plus one open candidate for a Featured List. Thus, if anyone's free to take on reviews of these other episodes, it would greatly benefit both the nominators and the WikiProject as a whole if you would. Just make sure not to take on ones where you have already significantly contributed, per a conflict of interest. Obviously there's no rush if you lack time or don't wish to do them just yet, but we should keep it in mind in order to avoid building up too much of a backlog. Many thanks in advance. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

We have been reaching very high levels of productivity. I myself was contemplating taking up TDMP before you posted this. We're very close to several possible Good topics several being one or two articles away. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

The amount of productivity we've been reaching is off the charts and is definitely something to be proud of.

Just to keep everyone updated on things on my personal to do list which relate to this WikiProject:

• Space Babies is nearly ready for GAN, I just need to see if there's anything else to add to the production section and I want to expand the critical response section a bit.
• I expanded the viewing figure section on the Series 14 article. While I would possibly like to be a co-nominator on that page, I don't feel like I've contributed to it enough to nominate it single-handedly yet. If anyone wants to be the primary nominator I'll gladly help wherever I can. Otherwise, I'll try to perform a general clean up and copy edit on other sections of that article, at which point I'll nominate it myself if no one else jumps in.
• Following that, everything just needs to be reviewed, at which point S14 will be ready to nominate for a good topic.
• Once my current one wraps up, I intend on sending List of Doctor Who Christmas and New Year's specials to FLC. It's a really niche type of list, and bar a few episode summaries that I need to reduce, I've expanded it quite a bit.
• In longer term plans, I've been (very) slowly working on bringing List of Doctor Who cast members up to FLC status. I've expanded the prose for NuWho main cast members and have been hunting down sources for all the recurring appearances, which lacked significantly beforehand.

If anyone else has any other plans and needs help, let me know and I'll do my best to assist where I can. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I too have got some plans, mostly in terms of rewriting some of our fictional elements-related lists. My plans are:

-Rewrite List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens. This is my active plan and I'm slowly chipping away at it. I'm mainly dreading having to summarize expanded media appearances given how few that's discussed outside of non-primary sources and due to how many exist for some of the more niche monsters, but all should go smoothly beside that. By the time I'm done I may try going for FL but it'd be down to how much Reception I can squeeze out of it.

-I plan on rewriting List of Doctor Who villains and List of Doctor Who supporting characters because frankly these are two of the worst lists on this entire site. The Villains list I'm admittedly iffy on notability wise, so I'll likely hit up the characters list just in case I have to emergency merge content.

-I plan on hitting up The Name of the Doctor alongside @OlifanofmrTennant in the coming days to help her get S7 to GA. As a solo project, I also plan on hitting up Cyberman as well because I feel there's a very good article we can make out of it that just isn't there right now. I additionally, per above, plan to hit up those two GA nominations in the coming days.

This is more long-term goals (These lists will take eons) but I hope it will help make the project overall higher quality for those unfamiliar with the series. I additionally want to try tackling more DW monsters with individual articles (Such as Ood, Ice Warrior, Weeping Angel, Silurian, and Sontaran) but those will come as I continue to work on the list and figure out how much time I have to work on stuff like that.

Side note, but out of all of our monsters, I feel that the Judoon have the weakest claim to notability as of right now, and though I have concerns with other articles (Like Slitheen and Voord) I'll see how those go as I do research. Based off my past searches, I believe the Judoon don't really have much in the way of developmental information or Reception/Analysis to demonstrate real world impact. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though, so if anyone can find anything on the Judoon, I'd greatly appreciate it. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Of course I can't guarantee anything, but I'll try and have a look around for Judoon sources sometime this week. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Every few days i try to knock out some of those citation tags on the main article. Also I’m trring to work to get Dalek back up to status then hopefulling working on getting Capaldi back to GAN. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

As an active member of WikiProject Doctor Who and WikiProject Television, where I've been for over ten years, I'm not overly active within GA/FL nominations (bar the initial series article nom's), but I've definitely noticed the activeness, eagerness and productivity of everyone here, and I just wanted to say what an amazing job everyone is doing. So while I may not participate in article nominations/discussions or such, just know you've got two thumbs up over here! -- Alex_21 _TALK 05:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Citing Audio Productions and Comics

Per my work on List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens I'm beginning to try and cover information related to these monsters in spin-off media. However, since it's so scarcely covered in secondary media, a lot of sources will require primary sources, but I am uncertain what our citation format is for comics (Such as those published Doctor Who Magazine or by Titan Comics) and audio dramas (Most prominently Big Finish Productions). What is our format for this? I'd assume we'd need authors, publishers, ISBNs, etc, but I am not sure what our format is and would greatly appreciate some help here. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I don’t think we use comic citations often. But I would suggest looking at Captain America which is a GA or Iron Man which is sitting at FAC Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend {{Cite comic}} for comics, and probably {{Cite AV media}} for audio productions. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rhain I've tried using Cite AV Media, but there's no applicable spot for Audio Productions. Would CD work, or should I try a different template? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, two ISBNs exist for dramas- one for physical, one for digital. Which should be used? Using both causes the cite to display as invalid due to the multiple ISBNs. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pokelego999: For {{Cite AV media}}, |type=Audio drama (or similar) would probably be suitable. The ISBN is up to you; I typically opt for whichever version I specifically used, as that makes verification easier. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll use the digital version, since I'm linking to the website for certain citations. Thank you for the clarification. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pokelego999: if it helps I recently bought a Doctor Who character guide. It covers several creates and all eleven doctors... I would be more than willing to provide some of the contents of the book. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

What monsters does it include? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

All of the ones that have an article on - Voord Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What kind of information does the book have? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

So it’s arrived and it’s leased than I hoped. Generic overviews of the characters so it’s probably not as helpful as I would have hoped. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah darn. A shame, but thank you for the offer either way. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Latest "Doctor stories" templates

Thoughts on the necessity or existance of {{Fourteenth Doctor stories}} and {{Fifteenth Doctor stories}}? -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Fourteenth is a little iffy since we've reached the extent of his appearances and they are limited. My only argument for potentially keeping it would be the fact that it exists for the other doctors and there is a case for consistency (I am fully aware of OTHERCONTENT, just bringing the point up). While it may be slightly TOOSOON for fifteen, I don't necessarily see the point of going through a TFD only because I think we will get to a point where it is necessary as Gatwa is already filming series 15. TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I would keep them both, because the other Doctors have their own templates also. It also makes it easier to navigate each of these Doctors's episodes. Lotsw73 (talk) 08:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe the fourteenth doctors template could easily be replaced by the standered episode template. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Fifteenth I'd say is a necessity since he's already got at least two more seasons confirmed. Fourteenth is iffy, but per above I definitely feel like it would navigationally be useful due to the other numbered Doctors having one. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that {{Fifteenth Doctor stories}} is a bit too early, but its creation was inevitable so it might not even worth reverting again. {{Fourteenth Doctor stories}} is a bit excessive, though; it's practically identical to {{Doctor Who episodes|N13b}}, and both are used on mostly the same articles anyway. Due to the obvious similarities between their eras, might it be worth merging with {{Tenth Doctor stories}} instead? It's already linked there, so it seems logical to simply add it to the bottom. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

That could lead to confusion between the two incarnations Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it would any more confusing than the show already presents it. Here's a quick example of what it could look like (though I'm sure there are even better ways to do it). Just an idea. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't have any objection to merging the two but I think I'd like to suggest this as a viable alternative too. I assume the episodes would be the primary target for most people over something like The Forever Trap or The Eyeless. It would also properly fall under the "television" subheader. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I have decided to send 14's to TFD to get more imput on it. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured and good topic candidates § Article inclusion on future Good Topic

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured and good topic candidates § Article inclusion on future Good Topic. Regarding whether or not Doctor Who mini-episodes should be included in Good/Featured topics for the series in which they were produced. TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft notice

This is a notice that there is a draft for The War Between the Land and the Sea at Draft:The War Between the Land and the Sea until such a time that it is ready for inclusion in the mainspace. All are welcome to come help nurture the article's development there. TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Deletion discussion - List of Doctor Who villains

I have nominated this redundant article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Doctor Who villains. Please feel free to participate! U-Mos (talk) 08:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Spyfall part one at List of Doctor Who Christmas and New Year's specials

Part one of "Spyfall" is currently listed at List of Doctor Who Christmas and New Year's specials, despite not being a special, and in the specials table (in a quite frankly baffling format) at List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present). Alex 21 has reverted my removal of this, claiming that "it's been discussed"; I see no evidence of this, and indeed note disagreement through the edit history of the specials page. I don't see any reason to include it both here and as a series entry, which of course it is; it's already mentioned in prose in the specials article (in the same manner as non-special Christmas day episode "The Feast of Steven"). U-Mos (talk) 13:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s not uncommon for TV episodes to air on New Years, especially season premieres. See Sherlock series 2-4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

And yet is it uncommon for the episode to be moved from its regular timeslot to air deliberately on New Year's Day, in the exact same fashion any other "special" episode would be aired. (Thank for the the singular example showing how apparently "common" it is.) I would support listing The Feast of Steven in the same manner, if we had a table on the specials article for the classic era. I've most certainly discussed it on a talk page in the past; apologies if I cannot remember the location of every discussion I've been in over ten years, but I'll endeavour to find it. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

The article has been updated with the relevant sources. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)