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Would writing a sentence this way be considered WP:NOR?

Let's say I have this sentence:

I-190, NY 5 and NY 33 are the primary freeways serving the city, and at their busiest points carry about 94,000, 41,000 and 110,000 vehicles, respectively.

If I changed it to this:

I-190, NY 5 and NY 33 are the primary freeways serving the city, and combined carry over 245,000 vehicles daily.

Would that be considered WP:OR? The guidelines at WP:CALC state that routine calculations are acceptable, and these numbers are in the document. Combining them would make the prose succinct. Buffaboy ^talk 04:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Buffaboy: Yes, that would fall under WP:CALC and is thus not original research. dudhhr_Contribs 06:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Great, thank you. Buffaboy ^t and ^c 06:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

mf,um,umn

 103.119.198.4 (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

It helps if you take your mittens off. -Roxy . wooF 07:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How can I establish a mundane fact not found in reliable published sources? (The height a tree will reach)

Ligustrum lucidum. Sanxuanín de la China (tamañu)

I am trying to contribute information about a tree that is mischaracterized in all the sources I can find. Glossy privet (Ligustrum lucidum) is described in its Wikipedia entry as being 10 m (33 ft) tall. Although I cannot find a published source to refute this statement—for example, The Illustrated Flora of North Central Texas (p. 850) specifically says it gets up to 10 meters tall.

But that's false: · I personally have cut down trees of this species that ranged up to 45 feet tall, and they are not the tallest in the area. · A friend is removing one (they are invasive in our area) that is 60 feet tall. He has documented the tree and its removal on iNaturalist. · A photo on Harvard University's website shows the botanist Frank Meyer standing next to one in China that must have been 70 to 80 feet tall, based on how many heights of Frank Meyer and his colleague it takes to reach the top of the tree. · Anyone who has visited Mexico City has seen glossy privets close to 20 meters tall in parks, streets, and squares all over the place.

Yet I have not found a reputable source that states this fact.

This is significant because L. lucidum is often mistakenly identified as L. japonicum, a shrub that typically tops out at 12 feet. The difference is dramatic. L. lucidum can grow 20 feet in a year, and more typically grows 5 to 10 feet a year during its period of fastest growth (probably years 3 or 4 to 10), but L. japonicum grows only 2 feet a year.

One reason this difference is important is that L. lucidum is highly invasive, especially across the American South, but from South Carolina to Texas L. japonicum seldom if ever escapes cultivation. Nonetheless, official databases consistently report both as being invasive because L. lucidum is so frequently misidentified as L. japonicum. I would say that even professional botanists and foresters get this wrong, but the truth of the matter might well be that especially professional botanists and foresters get it wrong.

So is there a way to get the information correct in Wikipedia, even though the works prepared by experts deny the empirical realities of the physical world?

And I must point out that I am not a botanist. I am just a volunteer who organizes projects to remove these invasive trees from parks and green spaces in my area. Through that work I have direct knowledge of the properties of this particular plant.

Thanks! EditorCliff (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

No, you have to cite reliable sources. The reading public have no more reason to believe what you say than they have to believe what I say (and they really shouldn't buy a used car from this man). If professional dendrologists get it wrong, let them know. Invite one or more along to view these giant plants. The fruits of your persuasion will make it into print, and then Wikipedia can cite it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@EditorCliff: Speaking as the author of a Flora, and also as a Wikipedian, I would have to agree with Hoary. As botanical writers, we do occasionally list exceptional plants in our floras, but tend to give average maxima, not world records, or unusual growing situations. The best source for height I can find is 15 metres (50ft) (here). But if you have a reliably-identified photograph, that could at least be added to Commons, or used in the article, providing it's appropriately captioned and relevant. The problem with Commons - and you said it yourself with this species - is that there is little to no verification of the identity of what has been uploaded. That said, the image I have inserted here does 'appear' to have been uploaded by a competent naturalist. But I wouldn't want to attempt to guess its identity or its height. Unless content has been properly published and available for anyone to check, then putting in information from one's personal experiences (no matter how true it is) just isn't something we do here. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Allyx Nicole Ross (TM)

Asking for myself

Please let me know, how to not get blocked. I used to write HTML for PGA, ComplexCon etc. Look at my Legit History :) Thanks! Allyx Nicole Ross AllyxNicoleRoss (talk) 05:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@AllyxNicoleRoss: You are using Wikipedia as a means of promotion, which violates the What Wikipedia is not policy. dudhhr_Contribs 06:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

AllyxNicoleRoss, your activity seems to be limited to writing Draft:Allyx Nicole Ross and, on the talk page for that draft, providing odd and utterly unconvincing attempts to justify its continuing existence -- attempts that show that you have no idea of what an encyclopedia is about. When somebody is notable, there will be reliable, independent, published sources about that person (in newspaper websites and so forth); and other, unrelated people will want to use these sources to create a draft or article. Until that happens, don't try. -- Hoary (talk) 06:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Please let me know how to get this done AllyxNicoleRoss (talk) 06:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Template:Done/See_also&action=edit

AllyxNicoleRoss, you may not edit templates. What is your purpose here in Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

If by "get this done" you meant create an article about yourself, don't. Your draft was declined and then deleted as not being appropriate for what Wikipedia is. David notMD (talk) 08:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Move draft to article but nothing shows in main wiki page

I wrote my article (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:The_School_House,_Staines-upon-Thames,_UK) in draft then moved it (admittedly draft to draft the first time which was a mistake) then draft to article but is has not appeared as an article. I have now amended the draft to have the pictures placed better but I can't move that as it says the article name is already in use, but I still can't access it in main wiki. I would like to replace the draft I submitted to move with the latest draft or be able to edit the moved article (as opposed to a draft). Sorry newbie question....

Thank you. TreebG (talk) 06:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

TreebG, that accidentally became a redirect page. I tagged that for speedy deletion now. The Admins maybe deleting it in sometime. Then, you will be able to move your page to the mainspace. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 06:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@TreebG: although, the draft is not yet ready for the mainspace in my opinion. WP:YFA might be helpful for you. And, welcome to Wikipedia! Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 07:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@lightbluerain - thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TreebG (talk • contribs) 10:37, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Do editors get blocked for using foul language?

I just saw an editor who used bad words in their edit summary when someone moved the article they were concerned about to the draftspace. Can they get blocked for this? Should I report this to Admins? Or, should I ignore this? The editor is not new. They've written more than 50 articles. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 06:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

That mostly depends on what the "foul language" or "bad words" were used for. Imaginably, it's a blockable offense. Imaginably, it isn't at all. (For example, I might make an edit, and then in the next edit revert it with the edit summary "I fucked up, sorry. Self-reverting", which I think is perfectly OK, other perhaps than for editors with particularly delicate sensibilities.) If it's bad, take it to WP:ANI. -- Hoary (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, Editors could be blocked if it gets out of hand, however. You can learn more on what to act on by visiting WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Panini!^🥪 12:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Kindly guide/help or edit the content to get it approved Sonu Goel Wikipedia page

I have completely revamped the entire content of Sonu Goel page as per suggestion provided by you, so that it doesn't look promotional. However you my guide/help or edit the content. I shall be highly thankful to you Rakeshsipher (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rakeshsipher, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you are referencing Draft:Sonu Goel. The draft article still appears to be promotional in nature, you should read WP:LARD and avoid the optimization of promotional words or sentences. To guide you, you may want to read WP:NPOV. Furthermore you can diversify your editing, there are lots of articles that require attention. Focusing on just one biographical article for seven months doesn’t pass across the right message. Celestina007 (talk) 14:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How to not feel overwhelmed?

I have very recent started on Wikipedia and I feel very overwhelmed in terms of doing anything really. There's so much to think about in terms of bias, style of writing, copyright... especially when adding images! Very often I feel my only virtue is checking for correct formatting(grammar, punctuation, formatting etc.) and even then, I am nervous that I have made a mistake and damaged what was a perfectly good article. Did anyone else have a first experience similar to mine or am I just over-thinking this? ArcticFox037 (talk) 08:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@ArcticFox037 Hello, I think everyone has/had this feelings. Just edit little things, use your sandbox for testing, read the topics at the teahouse and ask questions, if and when they come up. 🍩 --Maresa63 ^Talk 08:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

ArcticFox037, It is perfectly fine to be overwhelmed. It's a lot to learn! I had a lot to overcome when I first started doing major edits on my first good article, Super Mario Bros. 35. Naturally, you will learn most of the policies and guidelines as you go forth by other contributors directing you to them and teaching you. After all, we're all here to contribute. For further guidance from other contributors in a general topic, check out WP:Wikiprojects. Panini!^🥪 12:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

• @ArcticFox037, it is perfectly normal, when I began editing, I was always on my toes whenever I made an edit as it was almost always reverted and a template left on my talk page. If you remain consistent, In time, that phase would pass as you would have had enough experience under your belt to tell a good edit from a disruptive one. Practicing in your sandbox is a good place to start and reading up some basic policies would go a long way into helping you to develop your editing skills. Addendum: The blanket answer to your question is do not edit in areas that are controversial and do not edit directly to live articles if you have a gut feeling that it would be reverted. Celestina007 (talk) 14:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed and Autoconfirmed

What is difference between confirmed users and autoconfirmed users? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's a nice explanation at WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Secondary source AP?

Is anime-planet.com a reliable source for reception? WellThisIsTheReaper (talk) 14:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@WellThisIsTheReaper: Welcome to the Teahouse! You may be interested in the conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 60#RS evaluation of anime-planet.com. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Can I replace the source with another source that have logopedia as a source?

Can I replace the source with another source that have logopedia as a source? Like this file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KNTV_11_NBC_Bay_Area.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsJustdancefan (talk • contribs) 14:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: Welcome to the Teahouse! For questions about Commons, I suggest you go to commons:Help:Contents. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I need help with approving an article

I wrote an article about a personality that, in my opinion, has a Wikipedian notability. The draft exists but the reviewer wrote that I did not add a notable reference. All I could find online is interviews with the person I wrote the article about. That is the link for the draft: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Chris_Lukhaup You can look at articles such as Takashi Amano which are similar and appear on Wikipedia. From my Experience Mr. Lukhaup is a very known person in the shrimp keeping hobby, and maybe the most famous and dominant person this days. For that reason, if the article of Amano is notable, so is Lukhaup's. How can I publish this article if I can't find any good reference? Ronenspierer (talk) 15:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ronenspierer, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, first off, an individual is notable when they possess in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources, an interview doesn’t nothing to prove one is notable. Secondly, fame and notability aren’t the same thing, one can be very famous but extremely non notable. A person is notable when they satisfy our general notability criteria or WP:BASIC or the relevant SNG. It is also good practice to dialogue with the individual that declined your draft. I hope I was able to help, if you need more answers I’m more than willing to provide them. Celestina007 (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

New law regarding deplatforming that has $250,000/day fine: applies to Wikipedia?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56952435 The legislation states that platforms can only suspend accounts for 14 days, and will be fined as much as $250,000 (£176,000) per day for violations.

NetChoice, a tech lobbying group whose members include Twitter and Facebook, testified against the bill in March.

The bill, believed to be the first of its kind, will take effect on 1 July. --- Does Wikipedia plan to comply?

Should Wikipedia limit bans or blocks to 1-2 years?

I have no opinion, just reading the news. Inkfo (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I mean, it's a Florida state law that only applies to candidates in Florida state elections, and regardless, the WMF is not based out of Florida AFAIK, so no, Wikipedia should not take notice of this. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thank you, Inkfo, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is an interesting article, but not actually relevant to the Teahouse, or indeed to Wikipedia. We block users who breach a range of our WP:RULES, including impersonating or appearing to be real, living people until they can prove their identity. Whilst we often get interns and other minor characters trying to big up their favourite political candidate, it's unlikely that the politicians themselves would ever edit here. So this seems a moot point, even though it's not the kind of thing the Teahouse would ever advise on. It's really a matter for The Wikimedia Foundation to consider, so maybe wait and see how it responds to legislation in one small state of one country in this entire world. I doubt Florida legislation would ever apply to this Project. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The Foundation has attorneys to advise it on things like this. This law will likely be tossed out by the courts as interfering with interstate commerce or as a first amendment violation. 331dot (talk) 00:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

The law applies to social media platforms. Wikipedia is explicitly not a social media platform. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

One think I would look at is the bill's definition of "social media platform" (>100 million gross revenue/year or partecipants/month), but is probably better to leave this to lawyers and similar. Personuser (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

• Wikipedia could also open up a theme park somewhere; there is a carve out in the law for owners of theme parks or entertainment areas of 25 acres or more. 16:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Help Setting Up A New Musician Page

HI there, I have an account called 'Quincy Queen Of Denmark', which I set up in order to publish a WIKI Page on an artist I am working with (HOLLY MACVE). However - it seems to have my user name (Quincy Queen Of Denmark) as the heading on publishing - when I want the article to be purely about the artist. Have I made a huge error? Is there a way to rectify? I've spent so long with sources and citations etc - I don't want it ruined with my obscure name at the top of the article. Any help gratefully received. This is visual editor.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:QuincyQueenOfDenmark/sandbox Holly Macve (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@QuincyQueenOfDenmark Everything is fine. That article is in your sandbox which you can use for editing tests. If you think your article is ready, you can hover over 'More' at the top of the page, click 'Move', select 'Article', and replace the text QuincyQueenOfDenmark/sandbox with the text Holly Macve. Normally another method would need to be used, but since you don't have any other edits in your sandbox that's perfect for this. I'll make a few edits once you've done that so it looks like a normal Wikipedia page. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Please don't follow this advice and move to main space, you are a paid editor, which you need to declare on your user page, I have moved your article to draft, when you think it is ready you can submit it for review. Theroadislong (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, QuincyQueenOfDenmark. Your problem is that, as a publicist, your goal is fundamentally incompatible with what Wikipedia stands for. Please understand that promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia, and Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. "On stage, Macve is described as having a magnetic stage presence" would be acceptable in a Wikipedia article if it were quoted from a source which is wholly independent of the subject, but as it comes from Bella Union, who appear to be her agents or managers, it does not belong in a Wikipedia article. It looks to me as if only the two reviews (from Record Collector and the NYT) are independent, and so those are the only citations capable of establishing that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability; but between them those two do not, in my opinion, provide significant enough coverage to establish notability. Unless you can find and add more independent sources - and trim the text to what those sources say about her - I don't believe your draft will be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Colin that is helpful.. I am not a paid editor though, but did say I would help set up a page for a musician - but I thought all musicians had a page and that it was a normal thing to be on WIKI - its where most people look first when they want to find more about an artist - I am beginning to see why people would get paid though! It's taken ages. I will remove the 'reviews' which could contain bias as I can see why that would be a conflict. I do understand it should never be used for promotion. I'll look for more citations to avoid future problems. Thanks you also to talk I am actually not being paid (alas) but I am helping out - do I still need to declare that? Forgive ignorance. And if I do need to declare it - how would I go about it? This is all new to me. I can't actually tell if I am replying to you properly - but I hope I am. I do appreciate your time. Oh - and if you were able to help with edits I would be delighted. Very best wishes, Jules talk

QuincyQueenOfDenmark Yes to declaring COI (see note on your Talk page). In early life I see some close paraphrasing - verging on copying from the ref - that needs to be changed. What Macve says in interviews does not establish her Wikipedia notability and should be deleted. Lastly, Wikipedia has articles, not pages. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS

Hello, I'm new and I'm really glad to be here. I can't wait to get my hands-on editing, but I'll like to start with topics I have deep knowledge about, articles including company culture, marketing, comms, and biographies. I'll appreciate any pointers or advice.

Thanks! Grey Matter Copy (talk) 04:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. I note that on your user page you say "I'm currently the lead copywriter at a reputable Digitrad Advertising Agency [...]." First, note that the purpose of copywriting and the purpose of encyclopedia editing are very different, and that their styles of writing are very different too. Secondly, work on improving existing articles where you can cite reliable, independent, published sources. Once you have experience of doing this successfully, you can consider starting new articles. -- Hoary (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Grey Matter Copy "Write about what you know" is common advice here, but be aware of potential conflict of interest (see WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers, really encouraged by the support! I hope I get my signing right lol Grey Matter Copy (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I did.lol Grey Matter Copy (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

what would you suggest

Hello, I am newer to Wikipedia and i am interested in being a editor on the site. What tutorials would you suggest?

Thank you, 19IQ (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

19IQ Hello and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. There is a new user tutorial(click the link to access) available to use. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Contemporary classical music - silence?

Hello all, I've expanded a stub Rosa - A Horse Drama and left messages on the talk page there and that of the composer Louis Andriessen. As I am considering creating a page for a later stage work (Theatre of the World) I have asked what to call it as it needs disambiguation. There has been no response for some while. I was looking to create a draft in my sandbox but confused immediately - do I need to create it there? How would I title it temporarily? Do I need to? And lastly, I wonder whether to proceed if it may not be accepted and would prefer some discussion first. The piece is considered the composer's fourth major stage work - the other three all have their own pages - should I assume we 'complete the collection'? Thank's - the contemporary classical community appears inactive. Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Thelisteninghand: I responded at Talk:Louis Andriessen. Each work would need to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements in order to have its own article. We wouldn't "complete the collection" by creating an article for each work by Andriessen just because some of his works are notable. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thelisteninghand. At that talk page you've listed two source but the question is, is there enough (in such reliable, secondary, independent sources ) to sustain a stand-alone article? I suspect there is, but just these two are not enough. The first source has some substantive content; the second could only be used to verify details about one staging of the production—which certainly is a valid topic for an article on the opera—but has little content directly about the opera itself. In any event, the correct way to write an article is to gather your sources first, and then summarize only what they verify, writing in proper paraphrase. So doing that task—that needs to be done anyway in order to write the article—should answer the question for you.

As to a name, it really isn't very important what a proposed article is titled while it's outside the article mainspace. You can create it as a subpage of your user space, or in the draft namespace – the latter is commonly preferred – which would be fine as Draft:Theatre of the World. As to a sandbox, though we provide the automatic sandbox link for each user, with the generic title "Username/sandbox", you can use any name after the forward slash to designate a sandbox subpage, so the common way is to use the proposed title as the "subpage part" of the name, e.g., User:Thelisteninghand/Theatre of the World. Both of the red links I've set out here can simply be clicked on to create the page.

Finally, if a stand-alone article is warranted, once it's ready to "go live", I do not think the ultimate title that the draft should should be moved to needs title disambiguation. Rather (per many implicated parts of Wikipedia:Article titles and Wikipedia:Disambiguation), since the existing title is occupied by a redirect to Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, simply because it translates to the (adjacent but not direct) English name "Theatre of the Orb of the World", an article on the opera can be moved over the redirect, and disambiguation should be addressed by a hatnote pointing at the current redirect target. I would suggest suggest something like {{for|the 1570 atlas translating to "Theatre of the Orb of the World" in English|Theatrum Orbis Terrarum}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much Fuhghettaboutit. Two sources were quick refs as an indicator - I think there is enough elsewhere. Thanks for your guidance on disambiguation processes. I started the piece on my sandbox page so I will title it as you suggest - I think you are right there. All very helpful. Thelisteninghand (talk) 18:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Ah - now I have already started the page I cannot change the title! I'll carry on for now Thelisteninghand (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Thelisteninghand, to change the title, you move the page from its old title to the new one! (Counter-intuitive maybe, but makes sense once you get used to it.) Pelagic ( messages ) – (06:46 Wed 26, AEST) 20:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

help?

im not sure whats happening but im trying to edit my bosses page and its not letting me make changes. It keeps removing fscts about his life when indeed they are facts about his life! 32.213.31.218 (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Your edits are completely unsourced- we can't just take your word for it, all information(especially in articles about living people, see WP:BLP) must be sourced to an independent reliable source. In addition, if you are editing about your boss, you have a conflict of interest and are a paid editor. Please review those policies for information on required formal disclosures you should make. It would be easier if you had an account for that, but it's not necessary. You should propose changes you feel are needed to the article about your boss (not "your bosses page") on the article talk page in the form of a formal edit request(click for instructions) 331dot (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

And before that, was GEM MGMT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) also you? Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP for obvious block evasion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Trouble removing "in use" Template

While editing this page, I inserted an "in use" template to display while I was making changes. I am finished with the changes, but I am having difficulty deleting the template. Please advise! Thanks EroniousThunk (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I removed the template, not sure what was the problem. Your edit about removing the template removed a ref name and it's reuse, so you may wan't to recheck if all worked out fine. If after reviewing the article history you are still confused about what happened, feel free to ask for additional delucidations. Personuser (talk) 20:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

help with fixing a cite error

I have not worked on the article about W Magazine but I noticed an error in the cite line. I have no idea what is going on with it, but the reference could be fixed, if someone can tell me how or if you are busy just fix it or tell me how. I don't even understand what the words "Doosan Group" means. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/W_(magazine) Ty78ejui (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: Could you please specify which reference needs to be fixed, and what the error is? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Ref #15 is about an engagement. The man is with the Doosan Group company. The ref states that he manages Doosan Magazine and it manages the South Korean version of W Magazine. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The reference is fixed now, but it was easy to see because it had red on it. I looked and I no longer see the big red words (it said "Doosan Group") any longer. I think its fixed, so thank to that person who fixed it. Ty78ejui (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Gumustekin Gazi

 SavageBWiki (talk) 22:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@SavageBWiki: Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Publishing content

I am trying to publish a short article that defines the profession Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA). This should be a short blurb simply defining a profession, but I keep getting declined. I have added some more resources, but not sure if it will be published. Any help will be appreciated.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Certified_Divorce_Financial_Analyst Keirac2 (talk) 22:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

See WP:FIRST Keirac2 TigerScientist Chat > contribs 22:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Keirac2: I think you're better off adding a section to Divorce#Effects called Financial impact, where you can discuss the financial impact of divorce, and note the fact that there is a related profession called a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst. You can then redirect "Certified Divorce Financial Analyst" to that spot, rather than creating an entirely new short article. If there's enough info for a standalone article, down the road you can then consider doing a WP:FORK. But since you are relatively new, and don't have a lot of experience editing, I recommend you reach out to other editors on that article's talk page to build consensus for and get help with the changes. My personal feeling is that there will never be enough for a standalone, since the term and profession are so obscure. None of the sources currently in your draft suggest otherwise. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC) ‎

English variant templates

Recently there was a TFD for the now deleted "Template:Commonwealth English" and "Template:Use Commonwealth English". While the discussion is clear about deletion, the same doesn't seem to be true for the details of conversion. The best approach seems to be replacing "Use Commonwealth English" to Template:EngvarB. What I find confusing is that there isn't a clear talk page counterpart for this template and that it isn't clear if these templates are a statement about the used variant, a statement about the variant that should be used or just a way to bring some articles to the attention of editors more interested in spelling. If the matter is worth some more serious discussion, suggestion about the best place to address it are naturally welcomed (the ratio between my typos/spelling errors and how often I talk about the topic is interesting, but probably doesn't matter much in talk pages/Teahouse) Personuser (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Personuser. The Manual of Style, in WP:ENGVAR, discusses the consistency of styles of English within articles, and does not discuss article talk pages. As an American, if I comment on the talk page of an article on a British topic, I do not try to write in British English. I will mention the color of something without worrying about spelling the word as "colour". Those distinctions are for articles, so I do not think any Engvar templates are needed for talk page discussions. Other editors may have more to say. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree that talk pages don't need any nitpicking about variants, as long as the comments are clear (for this other things are usually more important than color/colour or even its/it's or worse), but my understanding is that the talk page templates refer to the mainspace article, since the mainspace templates are invisible. They may have some different function (talk page templates give advice to editors about the variant to use, mainspace ones place the article in a cathegory, probably for spelling fixes, EngvarB may be a special case), but the template documentation doesn't seem exceptionally clear. Still thank you for the reply. Personuser (talk) 00:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Template talk:EngvarB shows that you are not the only editor who finds this template confusing, Personuser. Add me to the list. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Drafts

I cannot understand what I did. I tried to translate something and I thing I ended up publishing it as a draft or something. I think it is not visible for the average user but I am scared it is because it is a musician's wikipedia page and I think it looks like this (with my name):

User:Rosamgmira/Roman Filiú

Anyway, I would like to publish my translation but I cannot do it because I am not an experienced user. Could anyone please delete that page above and create the translation? (which I have already done but I am unable to upload). Rosamgmira (talk) 23:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

"Publishing" a draft just means saving it (and making it visible for anyone who knows where to look). It doesn't mean publication in the normal sense. The (Spanish-language) original is not suitable for (English-language) Wikipedia even if translated conscientiously, because it's poorly referenced. However, if you think that you can find references for what it says, then you'd be welcome to add them gradually to your draft, with the hope of eventually having the result published (in the normal sense of the word) as an article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Rosamgmira publishing is just saving your changes to a article or draft. TigerScientist Chat > contribs 00:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rosamgmira: Welcome to the English Wikipedia. Your draft is currently in userspace, which is not indexed by search engines and most users typing in Roman Filiú will not get a suggestion to it. Would you like it to be moved into draftspace (Draft:Roman Filiú)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Bahru Kegne photo upload okay not okay?

Hello, can i upload photos of a notable Ethiopian folk musician that passed away two decades ago, under fair use terms? Or is there a photo archived somewhere? Name Bahru Kegne(1929-2000). He has no wiki article yet, i'm in the process of gathering sources @ Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dawit S Gondaria. There is no freely licensed photo of Bahru Kegne on Wikimedia Commons. The policy on Non-free content/images #10 allows use of a low resolution image, but only in an encyclopedia article about the person, and only if the person is now dead. So, finish the article first and then add the image, following the policy carefully. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: thanks for the info! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, happy to be of assistance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to be back so soon @Cullen328: it's still kind of complicated. I want to upload the photo below @ [[1]], then i come across this question>> Now tell us why you are sure you have the right to publish this work:

The copyright holder published this work with the right Creative Commons license

The copyright holder published their photo or video on Flickr with the right license

The copyright has definitely expired in the USA

This work was made by the United States government

Another reason not mentioned above

I found it on the Internet — I'm not sure

Which one should i answer? Another reason not mentioned above? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, I thought that I was clear previously, but let me be very clear: You CANNOT upload any non-free images unless you have already written a biography about Bahru Kegne, and it has already been accepted into the encyclopedia. Also, non-free images are uploaded locally here on English Wikipedia, not on Wikimedia Commons. The software will not allow uploading a non-free image for an article that does not exist. Forget about the image for now and focus on writing a well-referenced policy compliant biography article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

board

I have been working on list of Crayola colors and is starting to become board so is there any place that is struggling or any tactics to find some place that still needs lots of work? Thememe420 (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I go to WP:TASKS. Many things to do there. TigerScientist Chat > contribs 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

oops I didn't ping them Thememe420 TigerScientist Chat > contribs 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

You might check out User:SuggestBot which specialises in delivering suggestions based on your editing history and articles that need work. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Improving grade of article - Malignancy

 Courtesy link: Malignancy

I have edited and am still continuing to edit the Wikipedia article Malignancy. I was wondering when someone will look at it so I can see if the grade has been improved from a stub article ? Becomingeditor (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Becomingeditor: Definitely not a stub anymore; it's for sure a Start, maybe even a C, so good work! Just a quick tip: the punctuation always goes before the reference, like this. Your code should look like: This is a sentence.<ref>This is a reference</ref> ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Weeeellll, in most cases: citations go before dashes and (in the case of references that only apply to content in parentheses) before a closing parenthesis. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

References

@Becomingeditor: I fixed the punctuation with a quick spin through AWB's general fixes. GoingBatty (talk) 04:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Becomingeditor, you have done a very good job improving that article and I thank you for it. Stub tags should be removed from any article that provides a good introductory overview of the topic, if the article is well referenced. This article is now far past stub status. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Why is my page being deleted? How do I get it posted?

I attempted to create a page for a wealth management firm which interns need to see on Wikipedia to understand. This firm is different to the other firms so requires an explanation, explaining the way in which it works and how it invests differently to traditional methods.

This knowledge is backed by sources and needs to be published. However, wikipedia is threatening to delete the page. OmarA777 (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

OmarA777 I'm sorry, but Wikipedia has no interest in aiding your company interns, investors, customers, or in otherwise aiding your company. You should do that on social media or some alternative forum where that is permitted. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, but in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Please review WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@OmarA777: I don't understand how using Wikipedia helps interns understand the firm. Wouldn't a page on the company's website be better? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@OmarA777: I don’t see any articles you have created in your editing history. Is it possible you edited using your IP address or under a different account? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: The OP may have been talking about Draft:Binary Capital Investment Management. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks - I didn't see that in the history. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

TimTempleton, deleted edits are not listed in the contributions page. It's a good idea to check user talk page or its history because deleted pages usually leave deletion notices there. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

... or use the "Edit count" link at the foot of the user's contribution page. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

can someone please tell me what to click on to start typing for a gfm for my wife who has stage 4 cancer

 Candelbox (talk) 07:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm so sorry for your situation User:Candelbox, and I wish you both strength and love. However, we are unfortunately unable to publish biographical or memorial material for private persons. I'm not sure what "gfm" is but if you mean an article, I'm afraid that the Wikipedia is not a proper place for that. May luck and grace be with you. Herostratus (talk) 07:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

"gfm" means GoFundMe, which has become more-or-less a backup health insurance plan. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 08:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Candelbox. If you do mean "goFundMe" then you need to start at the gofundme website. I can't link to it because it is blacklisted.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Quantative versus qualitive references

Hi. I had stumbled upon a historical meterological chain reaction which despite operating for millions of years had inadvertently been altered then removed by human activity. Unfortunatly this event refered to as the Nile Climate Engine aka NiCE happened to be a precursor to one of the planets largest weather systems; African Easterly Waves (AEWs). This human intervention has resulted in the degredation of the equatorial cloud mass, allowing for more solar radiation to heat the oceans, which inturn helps melt polar ice and warm the atmosphere. More unfortunate still is that a multi billion dollar industry has grown up on the presumption that these events are the result of industrial emissions. So there is now a politiacl, accademic industrial complex geared to subverting and removing the factual reference to this NICE Effect, whilst exagerating the reliability of 'opinion' which is upholding and promoting the emissions theory. This situation relates directly to wikipedia, where there are vast references to emissions 'opinion', yet deliberatly few for the factual NiCE effect. It's a bit like cholera when 'everybody knows it is due to bad air', but the science determined it caused by contaminated water. The science is being subverted in favour of the highly publicised 'overwhelming majority of scientific opinion'. Sooooooo how can you help yourself and descendents, by unraveling or subduing this intilectual tar baby? Conor MacCloed (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

In a cursory internet search I found only a couple of references to this topic, from which it seems that it is the theory of a single meteorologist, one Conor McMenemie, who has succeeded in getting it mentioned in a couple of government-related fora: I found no reference to any paper in a recognised peer-reviewed publication, though others may have more success.

This suggests (perhaps wrongly) that the concept is not yet recognised by mainstream science, which would currently place it into the category of WP:FRINGE, or at best WP:TOOSOON.

Wikipedia is strictly limited to summarising what has already been written about a subject at substantial length by people completely independent of it, and been published in reputable Reliable sources such as peer-reviewed scientific journals, with several such sources being required. Wikipedia's purpose is not to introduce or publicise new concepts, never hosts what it defines as Original research, and strongly discourages articles being directly created or contributed to by anyone with a Conflict of Interest in the matter.

When and if this subject receives appropriate coverage in suitable sources, it can and pretty certainly will have an article created by disinterested editors, but not before that happens. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.217 (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Article creation needed

Dear All,

I'm looking for someone to integrate a correct biography about one artist, there is someone who's can help me ? I'm not English speaker and the website is super complex, it would be amazing if someone can upload this bio for me.

thanks in advance !

best regards,

194.209.50.2 (talk) 11:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for hosting bios of anyone as you believe. Wikipedia is not a social media, so unless they have information written about them in reliable sources they have a very small chance of getting into wikipedia as an article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandalf the Groovy (talk • contribs)

I presume Gandalf the Groovy meant to link to WP:NOTSOCIAL, a subesction of WP:NOT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements Box (continued)

 Courtesy link: 2022 New York gubernatorial election

Six candidates are in a political race. Only one of those six are campaigning. That one candidate is getting endorsements. At least three people have tried to create an endorsements box for this candidate, but two users continually removes the endorsements box, citing it as non constructive with no further context. The party has indicated in the past that they want to pick a nominee in the next few months, so these endorsements are important and there is a sense of urgnency to accurately display this important information. What can we do? Capisred (talk) 00:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Capisred, you might make a request for comment or ask on this noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Capisred, please note that Wikipedia user accounts are supposed to be used by a single user. So, if by "we", you mean more than one person are using your account, you'll need to change that. Also note that if you belong to a political campaign, you need to disclose those connections on your userpage, per WP:PAID. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

No, Capisred, there is no urgency. There are no deadlines on Wikipedia. The 2022 election is almost a year and a half away. Endorsements are far more significant a month or two before the primary. If you are a supporter of one of the candidates, then you have a conflict of interest and should defer to uninvolved editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Greetings, friendly responders! I would like to clarify a few things. First by "we" I mean myself, and two other users I do not know (02rufus02 and General Dwight David Eisenhower) who also tried to add an endorsements box that got removed for being "non-constructive". Secondly, I am not related to, I have no connections to, I do not work with, and I do not support the candidate in question. Third, the NY GOP Chairman has stated that he wants to pick a nominee this June (LINK). Going off of 2018 New York gubernatorial election, I see that there are seperate endorsements boxes for primary elections and general elections, therefore, It is my understanding that a primary endorsements box should be allowed to be put in place before the primary process is over. Because this decision will be made in June, how long do I have to wait/what rules do I have to play by so that Wikipedia users can submit relevant endorsements that are not dismissed as "non-constructive" before the primary endorsements box becomes obselete? Capisred (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Removal or Template

If there is an unsourced line on Wikipedia, should it be removed or the citation needed template should be added? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, it's best to use a citation needed template unless if it is contested the material is removed. Think of it like court; innocent until proven guilty. In this case, true, but missing a source, until proven elsewise. Panini!^🥪 15:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, depends on context. If you look around for or a reference, you may actually find one, and then you can add it, possibly tweaking the content depending on what your ref actually says. If you look around for a reference but don't find one, you may make the editorial decision to remove. If someone objects, they should ideally make an effort to find a ref themselves. If the content is about a living person, WP:BLP, removing first and asking questions later is often the way to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Feedback on government documents article expansion

Hi all, I'm editing this article on the Xinjiang papers. It's my first Wikipedia article I've really contributed to, and I generally feel like it's an important topic. I'm struggling to expand the article and would like some feedback on the changes I've made. Feel free to make edits or leave your comments on the talk page. Thank you! Couchcupcross (talk) 13:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Couchcupcross. It looks like you've added some very good material to the article – polished writing, good information, appropriately placed – good stuff, thank you! There is unfortunately a "but...": a large portion of the material you've added has been done without verifying the material through citations to reliable sources. Using citations to verify additions to articles should not be an afterthought but your first and primary focus. Moreover, much of the material you've added has included quotations, as well as writing speaking of living persons, without adding accompanying citations (for quotes, the citation should not just be placed at the end of the paragraph, but right after the quote, or at least at the end of the sentence that the quote appears in). Unlike the surrounding material – that very much should be sourced – such material (quotations and content about living persons) MUST be sourced. This focus (and mandate for some material) on sourcing—as essentially the be-all, end-all of proper contributions—is often foreign to new users. I hope you'll take it in because you have the skills to be a sterling contributor, but the writing suffering from this problem should be removed if those sources are not added soon – regardless of how good and well written the content is. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for your feedback! I read your comment and looked back at my article-- you're right, and once you pointed out the issue I can definitely see how I didn't insert enough citations. I think my main problem was that I inserted all my citations at the end of the paragraph instead of putting them right after the quote/sentence (I was not aware I should do that). I also had chunks of text that were sourced from the same article, but I didn't space out my citations throughout my text because I felt odd about hitting the "Re-use citation" button. I think a big problem is just unfamiliarity with the conventions of Wikipedia citing. I've gone back into the article and added citations (especially after direct quotations of living people), please let me know if you can think of further improvements I can make! Thanks again for the feedback :) Couchcupcross (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

My page

I want my page to be seen on Google Lil raph25 (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lil raph25: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place for promoting yourself; social media like Instagram is more what you're looking for. Do not advertise on Wikipedia, as that is an easy way to get your account blocked from editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft under review

The page Draft:AB & David Africa I created for review to the mainspace has been pending for months now, can I get a helping hand? --Dallez (talk) 18:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Dallez! There are almost 5,000 drafts awaiting review right now, so it may take 4 months (or longer) for your draft to be reviewed. One piece of advice I have is to fix the licensing information for File:AB & David Africa.png, as I assume it's not your own work being that it's the company's official logo. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 18:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Help on article about Rivancindela Hudsoni

Hello! I am a university student and am new to editing. I'm working on an article on the beetle Rivancindela Hudsoni, would someone be able to read it over and give me some constructive advice? Anastasia.sck (talk) 05:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Rivacindela hudsoni looks interesting. Here's a tedious chore for you, though. Not

the substrate ^[7].

(etc), but instead

the substrate.^[7]

(etc). -- Hoary (talk) 06:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Anastasia.sck: In other words, put the references after the punctuation. Also, the reference coding is a bit off. I’m viewing it on my mobile phone but will have some time tomorrow to look at it on my desktop to figure out what you’re doing wrong. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Anastasia.sck: you have done a great job for a new editor. I made a couple of minor copy-edits, and tried to clean up the references. There are still a couple of issues there to work on:

• Some of the listed "references" were never actually referenced in the article. I have assumed that they were used to build the article and grouped them as General sources - these are permitted but really should be referenced inline in the body of the article, so the reader knows which source supports what part of the article.
• Also, some of the references have numbers at the start - these probably need to be removed so they don't confuse people.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow, @Anastasia.sck, that's a great expansion for a first ouvre. I have to go and prepare for work, but I'll aim to leave some suggestions / critique on the article's talk page later.

Question for Teahouse regulars: could the CC-BY-NC image from SA Museum (see Anastasia's talk page) qualify for non-free-use if it's uploaded at low resolution?

— Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:28 Wed 26, AEST) 21:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

No. As far as I am aware, the Noncommercial (and No Derivatives) prongs are a hard no for Wikipedia under any circumstance. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Me sadface. I was hoping there might be a useful distinction between NC versus NC-ND or NC-SA. But thanks for the reply, Jéské / Bori. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (05:42 Thu 27, AEST) 19:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone! I will definitely take this into account and improve on my article. This help is much appreciated :) Anastasia.sck (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you help me?

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Alaattin_%C3%87a%C4%9F%C4%B1l

I have completely read and analyzed the item rules. Said person is eligible to be added as an item Its success and effects are officially proven. What is the reason for not being added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.169.66 (talk) 12:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I have deleted the draft for having its content copied from existing writing. This means that it was apparent plagiarism and violated copyright, and so did not meet with our policies.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Should we add a new bio for Wikipedia? Also, do you have an e-mail address that I can contact?

Any question you have can be asked here. Individual editors can be contacted on their own Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't we add a new biography for this item? I still haven't gotten a good response. What should I do? There is one person who meets all the criteria. But what's the problem? Can you help me? Thank you very much, kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.169.66 (talk) 16:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with the draft you made was, as Fuhgettaboutit said, that you copied text from somewhere else: that is a big no-no. If you can find appropriate sources to establish notability - which excludes any user-generated sites such as Wikis, most blogs, and iMDB, and also anything written or published by Çağıl or his associates - then you are welcome to create a draft, based on those sources, but in your own words. If you are yourself connected with Çağıl, you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest, and if you are in any way employed or paid to do this, then you must make the declarations specified in paid editing. If you are Çağıl yourself, then you are strongly discouraged from trying to create an article about yourself: see autobiography. --ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

There is no "Should" or "Shouldn't". If you can find sufficient reliable-source references, try again. David notMD (talk) 20:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia code command

I'm new to the code commands found in many Wikipedia articles and I was wondering what are these codes for, for example, "{Use mdy datesldate=March 2021" Any explanation would be appreciated! 47.152.150.237 (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello 47.152.150.237, and welcome to the Teahouse. Information about the Syntax we use can be found at Help:Wikitext, with a short introduction being available at Help:Cheatsheet. This particular code is there to remind you to please use the MDY - Month Day YEAR date format when inserting dates in this particular article. See also MOS:DATEFORMAT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@47.152.150.237: welcome to the Teahouse! {{use mdy dates}} is used to remind editors of the correct way to format dates. A mdy date for example would be "May 1, 2021" as the first part is the month, the second is the day, the third part is the year, respectively. versacespaceleave a message! 12:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Whenever you see something in a pair of curly brackets, that is a Template being used on the page. You'll find that particular one at Template:Use mdy dates. --ColinFine (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

As others have said {{Use mdy dates|date=March 2021}} is to keep track of what date format a particular article uses. The March 2021 part is purely their for categorization purposes, so that automated maintenance tools know when the article was last checked. - X201 (talk) 13:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

In general searching Template:templatename (without the brackets, e.g. Template:Use mdy dates) should bring you to a page describing how to use the template and what it's used for. Larger ones like boxes have also a direct link. For general mark-up see Help:Wikitext. A lot of this is easier to learn in small steps, looking at other text/edits and checking the preview if in doubt. Personuser (talk) 20:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

How to avoid advertorial edits

Courtesy diff: ACORD

Hey everyone! New editor looking for some guidance here. Was told that [edit] was highly advertorial and just seeking out some pointers on how to avoid doing that in the future. Thanks! Hemeiling (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy pinging SpacemanSpiff, who reverted the edit. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hemeiling, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you've been answered at your talk page. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

HMS Stevenstone (L16)

I was browsing and came on the page for HMS Stevenstone (L16) which I see was edited very wrongly. But since I am new, and I really don't know what I should do about it, I decided to post it here to flag it here for someone who wants to corrected the article instead. HMS Stevenstone (L16) Thanks!  Holbert4020537 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Holbert4020537 I fixed it. 1989ChevyVan (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

You can revert the latest edit, specially if clearly unhelpful, by clicking "undo" next to the entry in the article history ("view history" at the top of the page). If the situation is less clear you should be more careful and add an edit summary or consider discussing the matter. For multiple or not latest edits this can be more complicated and is explained here Personuser (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Is THIS notable

https://hi.wiki.x.io/wiki/%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE_%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF_%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%98%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9F_%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BE 72.76.95.136 (talk) 22:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The page you liked is in Hindi while this page is English Teahouse. You might have better luck posting your question on Hindi pages. Also, you might find the following pages helpful: WP:PROD and this. Anton.bersh (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

How This Place Works

I really don't know how Wikipedia works. It all seems so...intricate. I kinda need help. Eclectic-Polymath (talk) 20:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Eclectic-Polymath: Maybe start with Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Eclectic-Polymath: what would you like to do around here? There are a lot of processes, certainly, but as long as you have something you're interested in, we can help point you in the direction you'd like to go. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Does news website linking to a blog count towards blog notability?

Wikipedia has a number of atricles about private blogs (run by one person or a small group of people), which consist of content assembled from the blogs themselves. These articles usually contain a statement along the lines:

[Blog name] is recognized by [name of notable journal] for [a broad subject].

But when you open the provided source, it does not cover the blog itself. Instead, the source covers a very narrow topic and contains a single sentence about the blog like "as reported by [blog name]" or just "via [blog name]". Intuitively, I don't think such attribution/credit for a paticular article in a blog can be considered in-depth coverage of the blog itself.

Examples (please go to pages to see the sources):

1. Ghacks: Ghacks Technology News articles are often republished by sites such as Lifehacker, Gizmodo, Donationcoder.com, and other sites due to its coverage of cyber security, troubleshooting and FOSS.
2. DonationCoder.com: DonationCoder has been recognized by Lifehacker, Ghacks and other well-known and reputable blogs for its adherence to the principles of freeware and open source software.

My question is: does simple authorship attribution for a small handful of articles imply notability of the whole blog? Intuitivelly, when someone creates a personal blog and emails some of its content to blog agregators (e.g., Lifehacker), that does not make that blog notable in Wikipedia terms.

Anton.bersh (talk) 22:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

You are correct in your intuitions. Sources must be independent, and constitute significant coverage. I would go to AFD if you believe that these articles should not exist, but without digging through those articles too far, what you describe is not encyclopedic. — HTGS (talk) 22:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Several small edits vs few consolidated edits?

Hello Teahouse, wondering if there was any WP policy/guide on edits and the etiquette on the number of edits. Just a quick reply will do!
To me, it seems most rational to condense many changes to a page into a few edits, rather than making several small edits. Just saw this edit list here. Obviously this editor has been improving Wikipedia, but just looking to point to something concrete should I run into this in the future. Thanks! PerpetuityGrat (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

PerpetutityGrat, both are fine. Some editors like to add thousands of bytes in one edit, while others add small portions at a time. Edit count is the only thing that is really affected by the difference. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Great that works thanks! PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: Some editors like to make a series of smaller changes so that anyone who objects to an edit can revert just that one edit. If a massive change to an article has some good parts and some bad parts, it's much harder for an editor who objects to one or more parts of the edit to deal with. Deor (talk) 18:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: Can it really take 204 edits to change 15 words? (See this for a quite ridiculous bit of edit overkill). Nick Moyes (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

uppercase/stylization question

hi, quick question. i'm working on Draft:Quantum Metric and basically they refer to what their software does as Continuous Product Design. pretty sure that term is stylized in uppercase as seen in this article and this one but i dont think its trademarked or anything so i'm unsure how to write it in the draft. should it be kept lowercase? thanks. Melodies1917 (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

According to the website linked in the infobox (at the bottom), it is a trademark. "The" probably isn't part of it and WP:Manual of Style/Trademarks and WP:Manual of Style/Capital_letters#Capitalization_of_The are the relevant guidelines. Hope this helps, but perhalps you should wait for the opinion of some more experienced editor. Personuser (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The actual trademark seems legit and doesn't include "the".MOS:TMCAPS suggests using the capitalisations commonly used that most closely resemble standard English. So, yeah, using "Quantum Metric" seems alright and isn't worth overthinking, unless someone actually contests this choice. Personuser (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding copyrighted picture to Wikipedia

Hi there; I recently expanded the Rouran Khaganate article, and created the article Tomb of Princess Linhe. Many clay figurines were unearthed from the latter, including the figure of a shaman, thought to represent her Rouran descent, thus inspired by the Rouran shamans, with the Rouran visiting the court of Wei frequently. I was thinking of uploading a picture of this Shaman figurine for the Rouran Khaganate article to show the figurine itself, but also because we have only one depiction of the Rourans. In this jstor article there is a photograph of this shaman figure. As a sculpture, it can't be uploaded at Wikimedia under a free license; but I was wondering whether the jstor article's picture might be uploaded at Wikipedia. Technically, a picture of it could be created.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, sounds like a question for you. Haldir Marchwarden, please try WP:MCQ next if you do not receive an answer here. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks!--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Haldir Marchwarden. You posted As a sculpture, it can't be uploaded at Wikimedia under a free license, but that's not necessarily true in each and every case as explained in c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#Antiquities. If the sculpture is old enough or if there's freedom of panorama for 3D works of art in the country where the sculpture is found, then the sculpture itself might be no longer or ineligible fo copyright protection. That would mean that the only copyright that would need to be considered would be of the actual photograph itself. I can't see any photo in the link you've provided above. If the photo you want to use was taken by the author of that paper, then that person would be its copyright holder; so, you could seek their WP:PERMISSION to use it. Ideally, that would be the best thing since the photo could then be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and would be available for all Wikimedia projects to use. However, this is not always possible, which is why English Wikipedia does allow photos of sculptures to be uploaded locally and used as non-free content. To be able to do that though, you would need to make sure that the way the file is being used satisfies all ten non-free content use criteria. Satisfying one or some of these criteria is not enough; you need to meet them all. Whether this can be done often depends largely on how the image is going to be used and whether it's possible for a free-equivalent image or a free alternative way of presenting the same content to be used instead of non-free content. More detailed questions about image licensing and non-free use probably should be made at WP:MCQ or maybe even WT:NFCC because those are places where you're more likely going to find editors familiar with this type of thing.

Finally, please add some relevant WikiProject banners to the talk page of the article you created since that will help better incorporate it into the encyclopedia and let others who might be interested in such article know about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly; okay, thank you so much!--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 23:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

References

{{References}} Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Heh, I suspect you intended {{Reflist}}, not {{References}}, Haldir. Though have a look at {{Reflist-talk}}. Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:13 Tue 25, AEST) 11:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – combined with previous topic --Maresa63 ^Talk 11:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

References

Yes, thanks Maresa63.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I pick an article and just start editing?

Hello everyone! I am a completely new Wikipedia editor and joined to practice my copyediting skills. When I found out how easy it was to become an editor for Wikipedia, I was so excited to get started. I browsed a few Wikipedia projects, read up on the Manual of Style, and joined the Guild of Copy Editors. However, now I feel a little lost on where to get started. The sheer number of articles is overwhelming, and I worry that my skills are not good enough to help out or that my changes will be reverted by someone else. Does anyone have any advice on how to get over these anxieties, or how to pick an article? Any tips would help, thanks! Addienotaddy (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Addienotaddy: here's some advice, be bold. If your edit gets reverted you can discuss it with the other editor to find out why it was reverted and get advice to improve. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Here's some more advice, Addienotaddy. Choose a subject about which you already have a certain understanding (but do not rely on this understanding; rely on reliable, cited sources). Do not be bold (advising a newcomer to be bold is a recipe for disappointment and perhaps disaster). Instead, be cautious, first fixing spelling mistakes and obviously horrible prose. Certain copy editors get hung up over silly shibboleths about English grammar and style (even taking twaddle such as The Elements of Style seriously): ignore this. You will probably be successful. As you succeed, become more ambitious. After a few dozen mostly minor and entirely uncontroversial edits, be bold. By this time, you will have the experience to ensure that your boldness will be both beneficial and welcome. -- Hoary (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Creating a person page

I am making a page on a criminal that I think would benefit from having a page as all the information is cohesive. It has been previously deleted, I think it is because they may have thought it was an "attack page". I am writing with a neuatral view but do you think with more references (as it was poorly referenced so far) it could be published? Catfishingongoogledoc (talk) 13:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Current article draft is at Draft:Sophie Elms. There is no history there of an earlier attempt being deleted. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Catfishingongoogledoc, you should check these links: WP:BLP, WP:THESUN and WP:BLPPRIMARY. They apply to convicted criminals as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Catfishingongoogledoc: I think in general, a page like that certainly could be (wrongly) viewed by a reviewer as an attack page, even if it's sourced. Be very careful when writing a page about criminals - make sure everything is backed up with a reliable source, as we absolutely cannot get the article wrong, or we open ourselves up to lawsuits. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Catfishingongoogledoc: I have deleted uncited content, marked others as needing citations, and removed the names of other people involved in the case you're tried to write about. I'm doubtful based on just two brief national uk newspaper articles whether this meets WP:CRIMINAL - it might just do, based on her age at conviction. But DO NOT add anything about any individual which is not relevant to an encyclopaedia article and which cannot be supported by a reliable source. Your username suggests you might be on a bit of a crusade here, so be careful not to let your enthusiasm to tell a good story get in the way of our key policies on WP:BLP and WP:NBIO. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I email another editor?

Sorry for my inexperience, but how can I email another editor? Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 23:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cheryl Fullerton: if the user has email enabled, you can visit their user page and then on the left side navigation bar there is "email this user" link. You can also leave a note on the user's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you RudolfRed! Regards!Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 00:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

X6 Plus Hybrid Grounding Radar

Hi!!! I am a university student and am new to editing. I'm working on an article on the X6 Plus Hybrid Grounding Radar, would someone be able to give me some constructive advice? GPRUK [[2]] (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@GPRUK: Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! A few things (but not exhaustive):

• More appropriately cited references. Just the one isn't enough, and citations have to be made inline. See WP:EASYREFBEGIN for more details about how to properly cite references.
• Use of the second-person. Reword This detector, helps you to discover and discriminate all kinds of metal (structures and magnetized objects) so that "you" isn't used.

A reviewer will probably pick out more things to work on. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

A reviewer may notice copyright violations.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Lengthy links

Why are links to pages on other Wikipedias in other languages so long? My guess is how links handle special characters (I don't exactly know how it works but if it's not a letter in the latin alphabet in the link it'll be like %&14). If this isn't the right place to ask this my bad. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that the article Percent-encoding will explain. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for expanding Draft:Manoj Ahuja

Hi, currently Manoj Ahuja redirects to CBSE, but i have created Draft:Manoj Ahuja. I want it to be expanded but i don't have sufficient data. Please suggest how it can be expanded. Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 04:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The current draft now cites two sources. Each has a promising title but turns out to be vapid. Does other material exist? If it does, cite it and use it. If it doesn't exist, then no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 05:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Hoary:, I have references but I don't have information to write Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, if there's nothing (or next to nothing) written about this person, then there can't be an article about him. -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks Hoary. How should I delete Draft:Manoj Ahuja ? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, you are the only contributor so far. Therefore, if you blank it (remove all its content), an administrator will delete it. -- Hoary (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hoary I have added the {{delete}} template on the page. Is it OK?Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, it worked perfectly! -- Hoary (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleting account

Hi, Is there a way I can delete my account permanently? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 07:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There isn't, Vhhhhjhgy, because all edits need to be attributed to an editor. However, see Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Now, even if it were possible, why would you want to delete your account? Instead, please stick around and contribute more! -- Hoary (talk) 07:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Improving article Jean-Max Albert

I have improved the article Jean-Max Albert following the advice of the template messages. This advices are pertinent, but the border between encyclopedic tone and résumé, personal reflection, etc… is sometimes thin… Would it be possible to point out the mistakes that might persist in the new edit ? This would be helpful here and for a new article I’m working on. I hope I was right to remove the templates? 

With my best regards and thank you. F.While (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Jean-Max Albert — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

A couple of minor points, F.While. First, guillemets aren't used in English. Secondly, by "(x1, x2, x3)" do you perhaps mean "(x₁, x₂, x₃)"? (Though I'd defer to the informed opinion of either Kartsriv or Eumat114.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

These templates were mostly about tone/style and it's not always so obvious when they should be removed (not sure how much your edits adressed the issues). The relevant guideline for removing is Help:Maintenance template removal#When to remove. I personally prefer to wait at least some time for other editors to remove maintainance templates, mostly because I'm a relatively new editor and because a second opinion doesn't hurt anyway, but this isn't required (the best approach may vary depending on how controversial can be the removal and how many editors are watching the page). The article currently has the attention of other editors who can consider if it should be re-added. I thought the templates were actually re-added at some point, but can't find any evidence of this in the page history, so I probably got confused while browsing edits. I didn't check the article in depth, but by a quick look the space the works and biography section take seems disproportionate compared to the rest of the article, which, to some degree, isn't that uncommon for articles about living artists, some other issues may be more apparent on a closer look. If you are interested in this topic, probably checking how other editors improve this article or wp:blp and good articles in Category:21st-century artists or Category:20th-century artists may help you. Personuser (talk) 01:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I meant (x₁, x₂, x₃) indeed, Thank you very much.Very helpful, Cheers F.While (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Change the name of an article that has been submitted for review but is not live yet

How do I change the name of an article that has been submitted for review but isn't live yet? I've read about the "move" button but I can't see it and think it's probably because it isn't live. The new name is available. Any help hugely appreciated. Fleurcazalet (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fleurcazalet: welcome to the Teahouse. You cannot move pages yourself yet – your account needs to be at least 4 days old, with at least 10 edits. I assume you are asking about Draft:Andrew David Barclay? It has not been submitted for review. To submit it, you need to click the "Submit the draft for review!" button. However, if it were reviewed now, it would not be accepted (and if you were to move it to the "live" encyclopedia, it would either be deleted or moved back to Draft space). There are no sources, which is a requirement especially in a biography of a living person, and there is no indication in the article about why the person is notable. Please read Your first article, a page that has a lot of information about the most important policies and guidelines to keep in mind when you create an article. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

If, after Draft:Andrew David Barclay is submitted for review, it were to be accepted for publication to mainspace the reviewer would do the move and the necessary tidy-up. Obviously at the moment the draft would not be accepted as it is unsourced. Try reading the advice at WP:your first article. You can't move it yourself because your account isn't auto-confirmed. If the draft were to be moved in its current state it would be liable to be deleted as there is no claim of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

search results says there is a page, but it links to subsection of other page

Hello, I want to start the page Football at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's team squads, like there are pages for all the other Olympic games women's football squads. The problem is I can't because WP claims there is already a page like that. And when I click that I get a subsection of another page. So there are 2 issues; How can I start making the page and how do I remove the existing link? Dutchy45 (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Presumably you are aiming at producing a page similar to Football at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's team squads. When you have content available, supported by suitable references to published WP:reliable sources, the existing redirect can simply be replaced by the new content, see WP:RTOA. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I was aiming to do exactly that. Amusingly, somebody already made the page in the meantime! Thank you for the offered help anyway. Dutchy45 (talk) 10:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit Requests and Archival

When an edit request has not been responded to, in the affirmative or the negative, before an archive bot gets around to archiving it, what is the normal practice for handling that? I unarchived the request in question, but I'm not sure that is the "correct" action. BilledMammal (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

BilledMammal Can you give the example where you unarchived the request so that you can be helped. Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Apologies, I thought it might be impolite to include that here, rather than focusing on the general question. This is the request: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_23_May_2021_(1) BilledMammal (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: unarchiving is fine - you can also {{subst:Pin section}} at the top of the section to prevent it from being archived. Elli (talk | contribs) 11:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know where the right place to put this is

I got a message from a user called Wananana, but I don't know if this sort of thing is appropriate. Here is the message if you can handle it or you can tell me where to handle this sort of thing if it is in any way damaging. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 11:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Seahawks4Life: welcome to the Teahouse. No, that was not appropriate. I have warned the other user; if they don't stop immediately, an administrator might want to block them (since it looks like they are here just for childish vandalism anyway). You are of course free to remove the post from your user talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 11:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Thanks, and one more thing. Does Wikipedia have a place for dealing with this sort of thing? Thanks in advance. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 11:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I'm an idiot lol. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 11:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Seahawks4Life. First, you may remove the post from your user talk page if you want as explained here; there will still be a record of it in page's history that can be used as evidence later on, but you don't need to leave it visible on your user talk page. The editor in question has been indefinitely blocked by a Wikipedia administrator; so, there's not more that can be done to to that particular account at least in a Wikipedia sense. If they show up again, however, using another account and continue their WP:HARRASSMENT of you, then you can seek assistance here or as explained here. In a case like this, though, it might be better to seek assistance via email since anything you post on a Wikipedia page can be seen by pretty much anyone who wants to see it. Now, there's not much anyone on Wikipedia can really do about what happens out in the real world, but you might find some useful information here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

1. About removing the message from my talk page, someone already did that for me.
2. I found out the user has been blocked infinitely already, but thanks.
3. Thanks for the links. I will definitely consider it.

Hopefully this doesn't happen again. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 12:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Language style

Do I have the liberty to use a particular style of writing to build a narrative? I will provide authentic source for the information. If not then what is the proper style? Can you pleases elborate more on the notion of Encyclopaedic language? Punctilious Occam (talk) 08:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There is WP:MOS, which mostly deals with specifics rather than the general style. On wikipedia usually some more variety in style is allowed compared to traditional encyclopedias (I seriously didn't know how to properly order the previous words in English), but any article isn't your own, so you can't enforce any style or narrative you would like, unless it's considered appropriate by other editors. Considerations about due weight to specific topics, proper sourcing, consistency between similar articles and other things are usually more important and collective editing usually helps with that (since many editors are better at some parts that others). "Style" often isn't really neutral to content, if you have a more specific question, you may get better answers. Personuser (talk) 09:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Dry, dusty and bland is often the style to aim for. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose (under certain clearly defined experimental criteria). Personuser (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Attempts at humor are not necessarily humorous, and in articles, should be avoided. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My attempt at humor wasn't humorous, but was still arguably dry, dusty and bland. It wouldn't nevertheless be appropriate for an article, but the appropriate style for the mainspace can't be always be expressed in such a simple way, there is usually some ground for differen styles, as long as this can contribute and doesn't interfere with the content, and it isn't just for the sake of fun. Personuser (talk) 12:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding Infobox to article: "Australian Aboriginal artefacts"

Hello there!

I would really like some help adding an info-box to an article I am working on as a part of my University Assignment. The article is titled Australian Aboriginal artefacts. I'm not sure what template to follow but I have tried to create my own in my sandbox. PippaHav (talk) 09:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)   (talk) 09:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

PippaHav, welcome to the Teahouse! Perhaps the one at Natufian culture, Template:Infobox archaeological culture? There's more at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

PippaHav, your article is very worthwhile as it is, and would not be helped at all by having an infobox. Infoboxes are useful for certain kinds of article; yours isn't among these. (Your sample in User:PippaHav/sandbox isn't bad but would be utterly superfluous.) Incidentally, a minor formatting point: you have headings such as "Ornamental Artefacts"; however, Wikipedia "style" dictates that headings should be capitalized only "sentence style", thus "Ornamental artefacts". -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I won't add an info-box to my article then, and I'll change the capitalisation of my headings!PippaHav (talk) 11:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

That was fast work on the headings. Please stick around after you've completed the assignment: Wikipedia needs people like you. -- Hoary (talk) 12:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

How to only edit infobox

Is there a way to only edit an infobox of an article? Right now, if I want to update an infobox I load the complete article code. HobiBalap (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The simplest thing to do is to navigate to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and tick the first box in the "Appearance" section. That gives an extra "edit" choice so you can edit just the first section of any article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

That was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much Mike Turnbull. HobiBalap (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Next Step for Creating Company Wikipedia Page

We are seeking help because in India & in Asia, this brand is now playing a key role in letting people know about entertainment opportunities in various countries and allowing people to book tickets on their mobile phones. Now that we have launched an OTT Platform, we would like on Wikipedia to know about the companies journey & contribution done to the Internet economy of the world.

Page: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:BookMyShow

We have gone and seen the log of the page, an earlier draft was not correct and due to that the page was marked for delete. Now, in the current attached word document, we have followed all the guidelines laid down by Wikipedia, therefore, we need permission to create this page and remove the protected status for the topic that the administrators have placed.

Please suggest the next steps. Rishika65828941 (talk) 11:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

You seem to be under the impression that Wikipedia is a PR conduit. It is not. Your next step is to think about publicizing yourself on some other website. -- Hoary (talk) 11:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Appears multiple attempts to create an article about BookMyShow have been declined, dating back to 2018, and the topic 'salted', meaning that Administrator approval required to try again. See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection for process. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Though bear in mind, given you have failed to formally disclose your employment with BookMyShow and the company appears to be under the impression Wikipedia is a billboard, you're likely to be blocked and your request laughed off. In that order. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 14:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Jürgen Habermas

Is he still alive? If not, would someone who knows the facts please edit his page in the appropriate places. 108.51.210.87 (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I couldn't find any proof that he died. Zai ^{(💬 • 📝 • ⚡️)} (please ping on reply) 16:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My articles not published

My articles are not publish, how ca I get help. I am new here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakor89 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Shakor89. To publish your article, you click the blue button in the editor that says "Publish page". Hope this helped. Zai ^{(💬 • 📝 • ⚡️)} (please ping on reply) 16:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Shakor89: I can see that you created a bunch of two-line stubs in draft namespace. However, noone that I checked would be acceptable as an article, because they were completely unsourced. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Not big deal, but page is messed up

Can someone fix this page? Four Player Chess. I don't know how. Thanks! Bedfordres (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bedfordres. The page looks fine. Could you explain what's wrong about the page? Zai ^{(💬 • 📝 • ⚡️)} (please ping on reply) 16:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Four-player_chess&oldid=1008292002 and go forward. I probably should have clarified 2600:1702:2AD0:5440:F430:A617:972E:7C9 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Reverted. I have left the edit linked above, because the template {{cn}} could be appropiate there. I won't warn the IP for vandalism though, as this was a month ago any whoever used that IP likely has a new IP anyway. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Someone just fixed it. Thanks! Bedfordres (talk)

Thank you to the editors

Being a newbie on Wikipedia just keeps getting easier as you exercise patience and determination. I am encouraged by the continuous improvements to my Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare each day making me much better than when I first started. Thanks to all hard working editors. Look forward to reach that summit someday. Bibihans (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans Bibihans (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Rejection for not citing independent sources

In my first attempt of an article I have used Forbes, BBC, a tourism board (verifying existence), and 3 other independent sources. Why would this be rejected under the "verifiability" criteria? 82.7.50.252 (talk) 10:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft Draft:Dà Mhìle Distillery was declined not rejected, for reading like an advertisement. Theroadislong (talk) 10:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I had followed the same structure as a similar page that already exists (the https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Penderyn_distillery) by noting location, products, and brief timeline (aside from the using the word "inspired", maybe that?). I'll admit the Wiki UI, and ability to reply is a little hard to learn so apologies if this is the wrong place. DanWales2 (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

How can to get attention of an editor who has not been available

Hello, please an editor Sulfurboy who declined a draft on the 23rd February 2020 which I started working on 35 days has been non-responsive to my messages of appeal to approve the corrections to the recommendations. What do I need to do to get the attention of the editor when he/she has been non-responsive to my messages in the editor's talkpage. Thanks. Bibihans (talk) 18:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans

@Bibihans: That user has not been active on Wikipedia since March. Your draft is already submitted for re-review. It does not require the original reviewer review it again. There are lots of drafts waiting for review, and few reviewers, so you just need to be patient. You can continue to work on improving your draft while you wait for review, or you can work on something else. RudolfRed (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Bibihans, The reason you were ignored had less to do with my inactivity and more to do with the fact that at the top of my talk page I kindly ask that people do not request me to re-review their articles. You might want to make a point of reading editor's notes before posting to their talk page, especially if you are asking a favor of them. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Noted with thanks.Bibihans (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans

@Sulfurboy: my apologies but we newbies often need to be guided. I had expected that dropping a message on your talkpage would get a response. Thanks. Bibihans (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans

Adding/editing company infobox? General editing Q as well

Hey teahouse, trying to build some stock as an editor and wondering about what the protocol for editing company infoboxes is? I'm sure folks are going to look at my talk page and see I've run into some issues with using advertorial language before, so looking for some pointers in avoiding that with future edits & stuff. Decided to make edits in an industry I work (since I have some knowledge and feel comfortable there), but perhaps that was a mistake? I don't know! If someone could recommend the best path for a newbie to take, I would super appreciate it! Thanks! Hemeiling (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Hemeiling (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Avoid creating content that uses as references the website of the company in question, press releases, interviews with management, etc., as not considered secondary, reliable source references. Also, publications about routine financial dealings (rounds of funding, etc.) do not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 20:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Help submit and publish my articles

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Kulah_M_Gorloryorn

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Prince_Nanakpallah

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Oplando_B_Kaikula

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Augustine_W_Dayougar

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:James_M_Lasana

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ben_David_Beniah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakor89 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

see the answer above. I suggest starting with WP:YFA to learn how to create a draft. Two line drafts with no sources are not going to be accepted. RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

All of the drafts are completely unsourced. Wikipedia content needs to be verifiable. See WP:TWA, and Wikipedia:Your first article TigerScientist Chat > contribs 16:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Do not submit any of these yet. All need references. The only content that should be bold is the first mention of the person's name. David notMD (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Only two of the men play for a team (Nimba United FC) listed as being in Liberian First Division. Even for them, not clear if that league conveys notability for individual players. David notMD (talk) 21:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Archiving my Talk

Can someone help me to do this (it looks rather complicated!) GrahamHardy (talk) 21:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi GrahamHardy. Done, the archive box at the top of your talk now list three archives, and the third I created (here) and populated, is for the period from 6 August 2015 to 31 January 2021. I arbitrarily archived 205 threads and left your talk page with the last 34 threads, as people often prefer to not "shave" too close to the present when archiving, but any adjustment is easy – either return of some threads, or the archiving of more. If you have any different preference, just let us know. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

By the way, this type of archiving is not too difficult. I merely saw you had two manually created archives, and created a third at the same naming scheme, just changing the number at the end to a "3" (the archive box at the top of your talk page automatically recognizes any archive page names in you userspace using this titling formulation, so I needed to do nothing to get it to list the third, after I created it). I pasted to there the last series of threads, saving your user talk page without them, and dumping them into the new page and saving That's it! This type of manual archive, of course, is not as complicated as doing archiving by moving pages with their history to a new archive location, but your past archives were all done in this manual way (I do mine the same, as I prefer that the history of my talk page remain inviolate). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Herbie J Pilato

I have been trying to get an article approved for more than 2 months. I have submitted this article for review between 5 and 10 times. I just re-submitted the article after, yet again, making the changes suggested by your reviewers. May I get some help/pointers with the review process? Thank you. Rosemary0807 (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Rosemary0807 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft just tells about Mr. Pilato and what he has done; I think that's why you are having difficulty. . Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about him, showing how he meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Please read Your first article. Diving right in to creating a new article without experience in editing existing articles is challenging, as creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. Do you have a particular interest in this topic? 331dot (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Chinese People in Turkey

Hi! Would you interested in including my article "Chinese People in Turkey" in your Wikiproject? Requiemrelenquished (talk) 01:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Requiemrelenquished (talk) 01:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Requiemrelenquished, the article Chinese people in Turkey looks most worthwhile; but its section "Chinatown in Istanbul" lacks a single reference. Good work so far; a lot more work required! (And what do you mean by including the article in a Wikiproject?) -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestions! I have cleaned up this section, and cited everything from my word doc. Requiemrelenquished (talk) 02:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

TAG

Hello

I See the tag back again. Could you please let me know why. I don't think this is really good. What should do I do now to get this tag off. I worked so hard with this document and I wanted everything to be correct.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT TO DO FROM MY END TO GET THIS TAG OFF of his profile.

Thanks, Lakshmi LSwiki092018 (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy Link: Sankaran Thayumanavan Heart ^(talk) 23:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

See the note WP:SPS TigerScientist Chat > contribs 23:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@LSwiki092018: Please understand that Wikipedia doesn't have profiles of people, but encyclopedic articles. If your intention is to promote the subject, Wikipedia is not the place to do so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

LSwiki092018, the warning says that the article "may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject". That's an understatement. The article does rely excessively on sources too closely associated with Sankaran Thayumanavan. If you want the warning removed, what you have to do is straightforward: remove the references to papers he cowrote and to web pages hosted by UMass Amherst and in their place add references to sources that are independent of either him or his employer. -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

LSwiki092018, since he is a professor the references are fine if he meets WP:NPROF. These are exactly the kind of references we use for encyclopedia articles about professors. However some statements are not supported by the references, such as his years of graduation in India. Find a reference or remove the unsourced material. Some of the links to references are outdated. I have found a reference for his election as an AAAS Fellow that tells the reason for the award. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

StarryGrandmaI have updated the AAAS Fellow as suggested. Thank you so much for helping.

How to reference links in pages and how to make different categories in a page?

New to wikipedia btw Pyramids09 (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Pyramids09, I think WP:TUTORIAL can help you. And, welcome to Wikipedia! Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 03:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Request experienced editors to edit this page

Draft:Ramdas_Padhye I need help in editing this page. I request experienced editors to edit it properly. I put all the required citations to this page Indiapuppet (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Help in Editing Page. Can you please help in editing this page Draft:Ramdas Padhye I request experienced editors to edit this page. I am new to wikipedia and don't know. Indiapuppet (talk) 10:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

First, Indiapuppet, please respond to the question that Theroadislong has posed to you in User_talk:Indiapuppet#paid_editing?. -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I have already responded to Theroadislong I am not directly or indirectly compensated for my edits, I am just trying to edit this page properly as it was deleted many times. If someone can edit it in better way it will serve as a source of information for others about Ramdas Padhye who is a ventriloquist and puppeteer from india — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indiapuppet (talk • contribs) 06:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Indiapuppet: The draft is a copyright violation, and has been tagged for deletion for that reason. In addition, it was written like an advertisement, which is not strange since the text was copied from the person's own website. He is free to advertise himself on his own site, but not on Wikipedia. You said I put all the required citations to this page but you don't have any edits to the current version of Draft:Ramdas_Padhye. What is your connection to Vhhhhjhgy, the user who submitted the draft for review? --bonadea contributions talk 08:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea: I understand that it's a copyright violation. I had forgotten to login when I submitted the draft. I have put the required citations to the page. It was deleted by :@Jimfbleak: The draft got deleted since it was tagged for deletion. I am new to wikipedia. Since experienced English editors can write the article in a better way. I request you or other wiki users to rewrite the article. This article is about Ramdas Padhye, who is an internationally acclaimed ventriloquist and puppeteer and the article on him will serve as an important source of information. I copied certain lines from the website as I wasn't aware that it would lead to copyright violation and also leads to unambigious advertising. Hence if someone can write the article it would be great. Indiapuppet (talk) 05:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

What does it mean to "import" a short description?

I am using the Shortdesk Helper and it gives the option of importing the short description from Wikidata. What does this mean? If I want to improve a short desctiption should I import it and then edit it or edit it on wikidata?

Thank you very much TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Basically, "importing" the short description means that the description of the item on Wikidata is copied and pasted into the shortdesc template. If you want to edit the description on Wikidata before importing, you can use the third option the gadget gives (edit and import): the gadget will automatically update the Wikidata description as per what you type, and then import. JavaHurricane 05:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Bare references

Can someone explain me about bare references. I am not familiar with the technical terms given in those explanation. I would be glad if someone explain it in a simple language. Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 06:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla: Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. On Wikipedia, Bare references almost alway refers to citations of web content that give only the URL and nothing else. See Wikipedia:Bare URLs for examples. If you find such examples, you can use refill on it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 07:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Should I separate articles?

I have recently begun on an edit for the Realme 7 phone and was wondering whether to separate the realme 7 from the realme 7 Pro as the two phones have many differences but I'm not sure if there are enough to justify creating another article just for the Pro. Though currently I am leaning more towards 'yes' as the 5G model of the phone has not been included. ArcticFox037 (talk) 09:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

ArcticFox037 The easy thing to do is to expand the existing article, then there's no big risk of having to prove notability. Create a redirect from Realme 7 Pro to the relevant section. If it gets big enough, the article later can be split easily enough. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:08, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I may have recreated something

When I was looking at the pages for Karl Marx a message popped up saying I had recreated something. I believe this is the spot https://ia803105.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/35/items/thelifeandteachi37290gut/37290-8.zip&file=37290-8.txt . As this is the only link in my history that I don't recognize. If I broke it I am very sorry but as soon as that message popped up I spawned another window and closed that one out so I didn't hit anymore things. Thank you for your time. And I really an sorry if I broke it.

John Leonard Ames OT SIGN with tildes, and DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE --> Johnames85 (talk) 09:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Johnames85 That is not a Wikipedia link, so cannot comment. Wikipedia is very resilient and you cannot easily do permanent damage, though some people try... Probably nothing to worry about. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Use of non-free content in a list

My question is straightforward; is the use of non-free content to decorate an entry in a list fair use under WP:NFCC? The case example I'd like to bring up is the use of File:Inspiration4 Patch Art.png on List of Falcon 9 first-stage boosters (direct link to relevant section), where it is used to decorate the cell for "Dragon C207 Resilience (Inspiration-4)". — Molly Brown (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My answer/question is similarly straightforword: would using this image for "decoration" impove the article or improve it in a significant enough way to even consider copyright issues? Personuser (talk) 02:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My answer to your question would bee yes. The article becomes inconsistent with other uses of the mission patches for crewed missions. Ergzay (talk) 10:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

At a closer look some other images in public domain are used in the same table. I would argue that they also don't really add anything to the article, eespecially in a table, where the things they are possibly supposed to mean can be expressed in a textual/sortable way, if they are not just eye candid. This is still mostly my personal opinion and not a Wikipedia guideline. Personuser (talk) 03:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy links (that I probably should have checked before) talk page section, deletion discussion on Commons. My advice is to wait for the commons discussion to finish, try your best to make your point in the talk page and only after that, if it's still needed, bring up the matter at WP:Media copyright questions or similar. Good luck and I hope this is resolved as quickly as possible, since it seems a lot of trouble for a relatively insignificant image. Personuser (talk) 04:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Molly Brown. IMO this fails fair use. If this was the subject of discussion in the prose of the list that would be one thing. This is approximately the opposite extreme, seemingly mostly decorative, and serves little educational purpose, which is the heart of fair use. See also WP:NFLISTS.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Also WP:NFCCE states that it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; that part is arguably only about retaining the file as a whole (the use of which may be more appropriate in Inspiration4). Couldn't find anything as clear about the use in single pages, but use of non-free content is surely the exception and not the rule, the burden of proof should be on the ones supporting it's use and the justification should be a bit more elaborated than the answers you got this far. Personuser (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I think it's important as mission patches are intentionally decorative for space missions. There's a policy on that page at the moment to decorate any crewed missions with their mission patches. If we want to change that then we should achieve some type of consensus on the talk page first before willy-nilly removing images. Ergzay (talk) 10:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

The Unsinkable Molly Brown, fair use (non-free) images are never allowed on Wikimedia Commons, so that image will need to be removed there unless it can be shown to be public domain. WP:NFCI is the link to the policy language regarding uploads and use of non-free images locally on English Wikipedia. The policy is enforced strictly. As an aside, I reacted a bit negatively to your use of the word "decorate" which to me implies a bias against images. I think "illustrate" is a better and more neutral term, and it is a good thing to illustrate our articles (including list articles) with relevant, properly licensed images. Just my personal reaction. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I think we might not be on the same page here. I'm not against using non-free images in articles to illustrate content, it's just that I'm against using this specific non-free image in this specific way, where it doesn't illustrate anything, really. All it does is display the mission patch and nothing more. I've seen numerous copyrighted mission insignia removed from wikitables over the years per WP:NFCC#3, so I don't see why this is such a special exception. — Molly Brown (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

The Unsinkable Molly Brown, there are at least two distinct issues at play here. One is whether this image is acceptable to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons, where it has been nominated for deletion. I think it should be deleted. The other issue is the editorial judgment question of whether it is appropriate for use in this specific list article. I have expressed no opinion about that, and you may well be right on that issue. You probably are. Maybe those other copyrighted mission insignia were hosted here on English Wikipedua instead of Commons, which can be slow to make deletion decisions. I do not know those details. We agree the image should go, just for different reasons. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen: Fair enough, I understand your point. I just wanted to make clear that I didn't have a bias against images, that's all. — Molly Brown (talk) 09:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

1000th edit

I did notget a notification for my 1000th edit. I am currently at at 1014 edits after this. Does it take time for the notification. I'd like to know my thousandth edit for historical reasons. Thank you in advance! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 01:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

According to [3] you have 1014 edit but 29 are deleted, so you are only at 985 towards your 1000 milestone. I suspect that if you make a few more edits, you will get that notification. Also, beware of WP:EDITCOUNTITIS. Focus on quality, not quantity. RudolfRed (talk) 02:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: It's not about deleted edits. Moves can count as one or two edits. You have 34 moves. You didn't say where you saw 1014 edits but your Special:Preferences probably says 980. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I don't care about edit count. I just want to track a milestone. Thank you. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 12:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Teahouse I feel on top of the moon

My first draft has just been approved and moved to articles space. I feel over the moon and can't wait to get my next drafts published. Thanks to the Teahouse and droves of editors who patiently respond to my apt and often overbearing pester. 1 done, 999 more to go. sleeves up and ready. Thanks guys. Bibihans (talk) 10:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans

Bibihans Be aware that there is a delay of as much as 90 days before Wikipedia articles will be 'seen' by search engines such as Google. David notMD (talk) 10:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thank you for always. Well noted. Bibihans

Bibihans, well done! Considering that this article was published today, you can read the rules of WP:DYK and have it appear on the front page under the "Did you know..." section, which should be very well achievable. If you are super ambitious, you can learn about and take your article to WP:Good article, or even WP:Featured article and have it appear at "Today's featured article" someday... Panini!^🥪 13:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Panini: Well noted. I will give that a shot. Bibihans

Publishing page - am i in the queue?

 Courtesy link: Draft:MAXIS Global Benefits Network

Hello, I am in the process of trying to publish the above page. I am unsure if i have taken the correct steps to get my page published? I understand there is a wait before the page gets approved and published, however I just wanted to make sure i was actually in the 'que' and not just waiting in the wrong area? Is there a way to check this please Lewisruffle (talk) 13:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lewisruffle: Welcome to the Teahouse. It doesn't look like the draft has been submitted. You'd need to click the Submit the draft for review! button, but I don't see it being accepted the way it is right now as it is overly promotional. Wikipedia doesn't do ad copy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Redwarn and twinkle

Hello, I was learning about the basic things in wikipedia and I came across redwarn and twinkle. It is shown that redwarn will give us rollback options. Then why are we having a seperate user rights called rollbacker? Is both the same? Can we use both twinkle and redwarn together? My final question; Is bad faith edit and vandalism the same things? Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 12:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla! There are two main ways to rollback edits here: directly through Wikipedia functionality (which requires the rollbacker right) and through software such as Twinkle and RedWarn, which have their own way of doing things that doesn't require the default Wikipedia functionality. They do mostly the same thing but work differently internally.

To answer your other question, no. Sometimes, a bad faith edit isn't necessarily vandalism – it just means they had bad intentions. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. Why did I get the notification about your response Bsoyka? Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla: You may want to see WP:NOTIFICATION, which explains the pinging system. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Advertisement?

A user added this link to articles to make it look like a source. However, it looks like an advertisement for glasses. Do you think so? Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 13:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I am no expert or veteran editor, but I know an ad when I see one. Yes, I will second that that is most definitely an ad. Willthehelpfuleditor (talk) 13:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Seahawks4Life, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, thank you for bringing this to our notice, yes, you are correct and that appears to be spam, an act we do not tolerate in this collaborative project. Once again thanks for bringing this to our notice. Celestina007 (talk) 14:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 14:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Help adding captions

I was on the Folsom Prison Blues page and I was trying to add captions to the audio, and I (think) did everything I was supposed to do, but they aren't there. Did I do something wrong? ThatsW1cked (talk) 14:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ThatsW1cked, welcome to the Teahouse. You edited the field for minutes instead of seconds in TimedText:Johnny Cash - Fulsom Prison Blues (Live).ogg.en.srt. I have fixed it.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your help PrimeHunter!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatsW1cked (talk • contribs) 14:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

How to eliminate an italicized font in an article title?

Does someone know how to get rid of itallic font in an article title? This article—SpaceX fairing recovery program—came about as a move from an article that was at one time just about one particular ship, and ship names are apparently often italicized in titles. The itallics seem to have been retained after the move, and I can't figure out how to get eliminate them. Thanks. N2e (talk) 11:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC) N2e (talk) 11:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

The method is explained at Template:Infobox ship begin. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll take a look at that. N2e (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Got it fixed! Thanks to David Biddulph for offering the benefit of his expertise and research! N2e (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

someone has created a wiki page on me. It had information which was deleted by wiki later claiming they could not verify it. How can I supply the verification?

 2A02:A458:D1AA:1:9C64:C460:E788:B095 (talk) 12:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user! Put simply, you can't as you have a conflict of interest and all information needs to come from reliable sources. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

There is a path. As the subject of an article (Wikipedia does not call them pages), you should not attempt to edit the article. Instead, you can go to the Talk page of the article, start a new section (see top menu bar), and in that section provide text WITH REFERENCES for the changes you propose for the article. A non-connected editor will review and either do it or reject it, based on quality of references. References cannot be your website or a published interview. What's needed is what someone not connected to you has written about you. David notMD (talk) 15:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

How to have a page added for our museum?

How do I add a page for the Children's Museum of Montana? I wrote this below and although the museum deserves a much better page, I am not tech savvy enough in Wiki to do that. Can you help me get this page posted so that our museum is properly available?

Children's Museum of Montana, Inc.

https://www.childrensmuseumofmontana.org/ <copyright violation removed> Montana Gus (talk) 22:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Montana Gus. I know you did this without realizing it was a problem, but please do not post the copyrighted content from the museum's website anywhere on Wikipedia again. I have deleted this content from here (and have had to hide the page history), and deleted your userpage with this content for the same copyright-based reason and for another reason (that's not what your userpage is for; see here for what generally can go there, and here for what generally cannot). I'll leave a note on your talk page providing more information about the copyright issue. I'll let others respond to your actual question above. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

First, Wikipedia has articles, not pages. That is not a nuance. Pages might be thought as 'owned' by the creator, but once an article is created, anyone can edit it. Second, as you now know, no using copyright protected content. Third, the organization's website can only be used for simple fact, and does not contribute to notability. For what you created in your Sandbox, to become a submitted draft, and with a Reviewer's approval, an article, requires referencing to what people independent of CMM to has published ABOUT CMM. Seee WP:YFA. David notMD (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Montana Gus, and welcome to the Teahouse. It might help to understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Help to improve a new page: Draft:Naufer Moulavi

Hello, I have created a new page. Please contribute to it if you can. Thank you! Tawianomlet (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Theroadislong: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/2019_Sri_Lanka_Easter_bombings was a huge event. Its damages/killings were more than Mumbai attacks 2008. The man behind the Mumbai Attacks, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ajmal_Kasab and Naufer Moulavi are equally notable (not famous), if not more or less. :) I read https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:ONEEVENT, it says in its 2nd Paragraph "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate."Tawianomlet (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, it was just for information purposes you asked for contributions, please assume good faith. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Is there any Wikipedia article that explains notability itself?

In my view, i noticed that sometimes being notable does not necessarily need a lot of publications from either secondary or primary sources, it is perhaps what the person writting an article about did. Does this mean that if a person has ample of publications with full coverage from independent sources but he or she did nothing is not notable base on Wikipedia notability? Arnt9099 (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Arnt9099, and welcome to the Teahouse. Often, to find out information about a concept as used in Wikipedia, you can search for the word with Wikipedia: (or WP:) in front ot it. So WP:Notability will tell you all about the concept of notability as used by Wikipedia (which does not quite correspond to its normal meaning). --ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

It's love for anti-vandalism template!

Likely for anti-vandalism! can see it! It's rose gold! Q? 03:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@RoseGold1250: Your link is broken. What are you trying to show? RudolfRed (talk) 03:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, did you mean to link this? max20characters 🇺🇸 17:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle Option Not Available

Hi all, Why there is no TWINKLE option in the Gadgets section of my Preferences? Can anyone help me with this. Ali Talvar (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ali Talvar: Your account needs to be autoconfirmed before Twinkle is available. That will happen automatically, usually after your account is at least 4 days old and you have at least 10 edits. It looks like your account is not quite old enough yet. RudolfRed (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thank you so much, and Yes I am a newbie here.

Conses from editors, especially Indians.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#10%3A57%3A36%2C_28_May_2021_review_of_submission_by_Tawianomlet

Why is my Draft not considered notable? I have discussed why it should be included on Wikipedia in the above link. Tawianomlet (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tawianomlet! Please continue to discuss this at the link you provided above rather than trying to start a new discussion on it here. Thanks! Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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@Bsoyka: Okay. I need Indian editors to have a look too.

Courtesy: Draft:Prince Pipes and Fittings Limited. The draft has been Rejected, and then nominated for Speedy deletion. The place for contesting the SD is on the Talk page of the draft. Comments can also be made at the Help Desk, i.e., rather than here. David notMD (talk) 15:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Tawianomlet Wikipedia strongly frowns on consensus shopping. David notMD (talk) 15:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

This is old. David notMD Tawianomlet (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

How is it old? All here dated 28 May 2021. David notMD (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Signature

Hello. On my signature, I had to make each color of my name a different link, but is there a way to just have my whole name as one link? max20characters 🇺🇸 17:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi max20characters. I don't know why you think you had to do that. You can just remove the extra link code: max20characters 🇺🇸. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

You can also slightly shorten your signature by moving out the bold markup and removing some whitespaces: '''[[User:Max20characters|<span style="color:blue">max</span><span style="color:red">20</span><span style="color:blue">characters</span>]]''' [[User talk:Max20characters|🇺🇸]]. Kleinpecan (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I did it because the wikitext stuff was kind of confusing for me at the time, so I was just putting my own things onto the texts from WP:SIGTUT. max20characters 🇺🇸 17:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Is there any simple way to upload a picture on Wikipedia Common without using a web browser?

I visited Wikipedia common some weeks ago and noticed that there were some difficulties concerning uploading an image as a new user. Is there any guide for that? Arnt9099 (talk) 16:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Arnt9099: Have you used the upload Wizard? Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, please be more specific. We need to know your specific problem in order to help you, i.e. the specific error messages, where exactly you don't know what you should check etc. If you have questions regarding image copyright, try asking at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or c:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright, which is where the experts for that are. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Arnt9099. I'm guessing you must mean "through the Wikipedia App" - as far as I know, the answer is no: I don't believe there is any way of accessing Commons except through a Web browser. --ColinFine (talk) 17:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Aviation, legalities vs realities vs advertising copy and how to correct blatant errors.

I have been involved in aviation for over 50 years. A major problem -- as I see it -- is that people writing on Wikipedia conflate the "real" with the "legal" with the "BS salesmen spread." The is much confusion between the general and specific as well.

My interest in this is to weed out the BS.

I can go to the US Federal Resister and cite the enabling legislation that allowed the US Department of Commerce to become involved in aviation (1928) this eventually became the CAB (Civil Aeronautics Board). I can cite the enabling legislation that created the CAA (Civil Aeronautics Administration) in 1938, and the legislation that combined the two creating the FAA in 1958.

Time machines do not exist, so an agency created in 1958 could not enact anything before it was created. I can cite US FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) 103 denying the FAA any legal authority over certain vehicles (not legally aircraft by law) basically those under 254 pounds light weight and I can cite FAR 61 and 91 defining light weight.

I can cite the US Constitution that states that Congress can create no ex-post facto laws and cite it again where it says that the Executive branch (as in CAB, CAA and FAA) enforces the law (that the Legislative branch enacts)...

BUT "JANES" IS A BETTER SOURCE? REALLY? ON WHAT PLANET?

Sadly, people are grossly uneducated, they think we live in a dictatorship where the President says jump and we say "how high?" Where it has always been as it is now and where the Channel 10 news gives accurate assessments. Please, I beg, don't make this situation worse. The truth maters. Piper PA25235C (talk) 17:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Piper PA25235C, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at your edits, most of them seem to be unsourced and contain opinionated language. In the warn that Jusdafax gave you, they cite the same issue with your edits. While I do believe you made those edits, all content on Wikipedia must be verifiable with credible sources. Any content also must be from a neutral point of view, which your edits were sadly not. Hope this helps. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Piper PA25235C: Some of your edits at Heath_Parasol referred to documents in your posession that are not published and verifiable. This is not allowed. Sources do not have to be online, but they do need to be published in reliable sources. The place to discuss your edits and the revert is at Talk:Heath_Parasol. RudolfRed (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

No first person, no opinion, no original research, no describing your Health Parasol. As Jusdafax wrote in the revert edit summary (and on own Talk page, in reply to your query), write in encyclopedia style, and only include what can be verified by published references. Yes, the truth matters, but only with verification. David notMD (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Piper PA25235C:, Janes Information Services is widely considered a reliable source for aviation topics but no source is perfect and all make occasional errors. If you want to challenge its reliability in a specific context, discuss the matter at the Reliable sources noticeboard. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

what qualifys as not vandalism

 Hlghkfsga (talk) 18:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hlghkfsga see WP:NOTV TigerScientist Chat > contribs 18:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Hlghkfsga: See Wikipedia:Vandalism. Malicious edits are vandalism. Good faith edits, even if they go against policy are not. RudolfRed (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Hlghkfsga: ALL of your edits have been reverted as vandalism. Cease, or you will be indefinitely blocked as not being here to work on the encyclopedia. All you are doing is wasting other editors' time. David notMD (talk) 19:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Too late. Indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Claims of Bristol being a "Major City"

It seems a lot of anons keep putting the term "major" in the heading of Bristol. But in context there is nothing unique to call it major...It is a county and city and I get that. But just like Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Sheffield and London. The term major is very subjective. The ones listed are much larger then Bristol and to me it seems to be a constant every other edit battle. Only a university and gsce site use major. Other sites don't and Bristol is much smaller in population terms to the cities above which are higher and have borough, unitary authority or county included. I would appreciate your lots input. RailwayJG (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC) RailwayJG (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, RailwayJG. As a Californian, I know very little about Bristol but I see that it has a population of 463,400 which seems major to me. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area which has lots of big cities close to each other, and about eight million people in total. San Jose is the biggest and San Francisco is second biggest. Oakland, California is third at about 430,000 people, and around here, everybody calls Oakland a major city. Because it is. Another factor is that Bristol is the dominant city by far in its region, which Oakland isn't. The next biggest in the Bristol region is Filton, only about a tenth the size of Bristol. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey Jim, Filton isn't a city. -Roxy . wooF 19:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I should have said town or suburb, Roxy the dog, but my point stands. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm just being pedantic, and your point is, um, on point. I'm very english in this regard as even as I approach senility, I cannot grasp the concept of all these teeny tiny places all over the world being called cities. Or is it me? -Roxy . wooF 20:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Roxy the dog, It's not pedantic if it leads to better understanding. In California, we have municipalities which can choose to call themselves cities or towns, and in theory but not practice, they have the same powers, and there are 482 of them, ranging from Los Angeles with nearly four million people to tiny hamlets of a couple hundred residents. Los Angeles County for example, contains 87 other cities in addition to the big one.They all have clearly defined city/town limits, local elected officials, local ordinances and so on. If someone lives outside defined city/town limits, then they live in an "unincorporated area" and local governmental services are provided by the county government instead. I live, for example, in a city of about 20,000 people surrounded by larger cities, and nobody thinks our small city is anything but a city because we have our own elected mayor, city council, fire department, police department, public works department and so on. I understand that things are very different in the UK. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328:, it is a big city but in terms of population it is 11th largest city but wider known cities like London Manchester Birmingham Liverpool and Newcastle upon Tyne are much larger and rank around millions because of their boroughs counties and regions whereas Bristol is one of a few cities like Gloucester Bath and Wells which are close smaller but close. Populous would work but major city would apply in theory to all the cities ranked higher and not just Bristol alone.

@RailwayJG: The best place to discuss this is on the article's talk page, where you can discuss it with other editors and get a consensus on it. Don't engage in an edit war. Follow WP:DR if you can't get a consensus via discussion. RudolfRed (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Per Rudolph. Really we should be using sourced expressions and descriptions - and ideally they should be relatively current or eternal. Koncorde (talk) 19:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

OK, my 2 euro-cents. The word "city" is used in a completely different way in British English from the American usage. As I understand it, in simple terms, if it is the seat of a bishop, and thus has a cathedral, it's a city; if not, it's a town (or village, hamlet, suburb, whatever). Size has no bearing. Croydon is much larger than Bristol, but doesn't (as far as I'm aware) have a cathedral; it's made a number of unsuccessful attempts to be called a city. It seems to me that arguing over whether or not Bristol is to be described as "major" is pretty pointless – it's major because it's a city, one of a not-very-large number, but for exactly the same reason, there's really no reason to say so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, you're right in principle (and I wanted to make the same point) but wrong in detail. City status depends on a royal charter, not on anything ecclesiastical.Bradford was a city without a bishop from 1897 to 1919, Leeds ditto between 1893 and 2014 (unless you count the Roman Catholic Bishop of Leeds, but in that case you'd better count Northampton, Clifton, and Brentwood as cities) - Leeds still hasn't an Anglican cathedral - and Cambridge 1951 to the present. --ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Picture add to Dead Posey wiki page

Hi! I need help adding a picture to Dead Posey wiki page. The picture I tried adding was deleted from the wiki page a month after I added it for some reason??

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Dead_Posey Help is needed, Thanks! Poewritesthings (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Poewritesthings. The image you uploaded was deleted as a copyright violation, as explained at your Commons talk page c:User Talk:Poewritesthings. In order to add an image to the article, you need to find or create one that is licensed under a suitable free licence such as CC-BY-SA. An image you find on the internet is unlikely to be licensed in that way. Probably you will either have to take one yourself if you can, or find an image and contact the copyright holder (who is usually the photographer, not the subject) and ask them if they will agree to donate it to the world - not just to Wikipedia - by following the procedure in WP:DCM. --ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Becoming a host

Becoming a host I’m thinking about joining y’all here as a host. Before I sign up, I have one question: when I read the notice about pinging other users, it provided a different template than I already use. Is it okay if I were to use the template @INSERT NAME OF USER: when replying to the question? Thanks. 🐍Helen🐍 21:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: It's fine; most of them redirect to {{reply to}} anyway. I generally use {{re}} for direct mentions and {{U}} for indirect mentions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

The articles available in different languages are translated by a translator or a wikipedian ?

Nepali wikipedia lacks so many topics.I want to create articles in Nepali by translating those one in english so that it may be easier for the Nepali users.I require suggestions and helps. Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki: Follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATEUS. You should also check the guidelines at the Nepali Wikipedia, since each langauge Wikipedia has its own rules for what is an acceptable article. RudolfRed (talk) 02:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Anyone is welcome to edit Wikipedia, and in any language. If you speak Nepali, you are free to write articles on the Nepali Wikipedia, just as you are on the English Wikipedia. You can write them from scratch, translate them from other languages (including English), or use the sources available on the corresponding English language page. Here is a brief guide for translating from English: Wikipedia:Translate us. — HTGS (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Kushal Dev Wiki. I don't have the link right now, but somewhere there is a list of 1000 essential topics. You could look at those, and see if any are missing in Nepali. Or just pick a topic that really interests you for your initial translations. Pelagic ( messages ) – (06:27 Wed 26, AEST) 20:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

See WP:VITAL. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @Sungodtemple! — Pelagic ( messages ) – (08:13 Sat 29, AEST) 22:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

How to add an external site which is a community based blog ?

 Beingmediahopper (talk) 12:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? Are you talking about dogwithblog.in? In general, blog sites rarely meet Wikipedia definition of reliable sources and therefore citing them is typically discouraged. Please note that your past contributions were reverted, so I recommend asking users who reverted your edits. If you like, I can look into this further and explain why your edits were reverted and provide recommendations how to change your editing strategy. Anton.bersh (talk) 13:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I wrote the last message before reading diffs of your contributions (reverted by other people before you posted your question here). Now, when I have read them, I had to revert to your only other non-reverted contribution. That contribution was just adding an external link to "Article on Why Indian Pariah Dog are Best For indian Home". This is problematic for multiple reasons:

1. This source is biased and therefore violates WP:POV. It's fine to like one kind of pet over the other ("cats vs. dogs") or breed of dog over another (like in the article), but such preferences present a biased point of view not appreciated on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is about factual unbiased content.
2. Your contributions just add "External links" which are not used in the article body. These links add very little value to the reader of the article.
3. Your contributions seem to just promote the blog and Wikipedia editors dislike such SEO practices.

Anton.bersh (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually, Anton.bersh, it's not true that sources have to be unbiased: see WP:POVS. This doesn't affect your other points, though. --ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thanks for clarification. I should have said that Wikipedia should contain an unbiased representation of factual content. That is, the Wikipedia writer should not bring in own bias into the article and instead represent a fair sample of information presented in reliable sources. Anton.bersh (talk) 22:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Can I create a page about Lakshadweep Reforms?

Hello, I want to create a page about Lakshadweep Reforms. It is an event taking place in India. It has gathered national media attention on a big scale. Many protests are also conducted. Let me know if I should go ahead. Tawianomlet (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tawianomlet. I am not going to answer your question directly, because I have no interest in doing the relevant research. The general answer is, if you can find appropriate sources that establish notability, then you are welcome to go ahead, but if you can't you will probably be wasting any further time you put into the project. As to whether you should go ahead, that is up to you. You might ask at WT:INDIA whether anybody there is interested in working with you. --ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tawianomlet: You can see the guidance at Wikipedia:Notability_(events). If you find the event is notable, then follow the steps at WP:YFA to create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 18:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Okays. I will create a Draft because it does seem to qualify. Tawianomlet (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tawianomlet: Before you get too far into it, be aware that the subject is already covered at Praful Khoda Patel#2021 Lakshadweep policies. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Isn't available ?

Isn't visual editor available in the wikipedia app? Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki: Welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I know, it isn't available in the app. (Also, please don't make duplicate sections, thanks!) Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

visual editor on wikipedia app

Is visual editor available in wikipedia app?How to access it in the app? Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 13:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki: Nope. I can say from experience that the editor for mainspace articles in the iOS app is always source + syntax highlighting. (I assume Android is same.) For WYSIWYG editing, you'll need to do it in a web browser. Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:09 Tue 25, AEST) 12:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I can confirm that the Android app does not have the Visual Editor functionality. Darwin Naz (talk) 22:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki There is visual editing for mobile Wikipedia on a web browser, not in wikipedia app though. max20characters 🇺🇸 16:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Ramotion Draft Review

Hello, can you help me take a look at this draft https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ramotion to see if it is ok to be taken live yet. Thanks! AlikotoSam (talk) 20:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Done. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

AlikotoSam (talk) none of your references appear to be reliable. Reference 10 is directly from Ramotion, and that is not neutral, reference 9 is a blog post, references 4, 5 & 7 have errors, and I couldn't view them. The rest read as though they are advertisements. Some of them are marked as "sponsored post," some state the article is the opinion of the author, and not the opinion of the website.

I don't know if any reliable publications have ever reviewed Ramotion, or wrote about the agency in any way, so that will need to be your project to find neutral coverage. Best wishes on writing a new draft, sourced with good references. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Editing information about a company you work for

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and have only made a few edits so far. I noticed that there are a couple of errors on the page for the company I work for, particularly relating to its location and headquarters. I'm aware that editing this page directly would not be a good idea due to the COI. Should I request an edit on the talk page and use a connected contributor template when doing so? How does that show up, and would I do this in combination with a "request edit" template, or instead? How would you recommend I go about this in a way that ensures the correct information is available while sticking to the rules and guidelines?

Ps. I've been looking through the rules in this article: Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia, but got a bit confused about the general consensus around making changes to articles you're associated with. So any help/advice would be very much appreciated!

Thank you :) Catytac (talk) 11:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! I appreciate that you follow integrity principles of Wikipedia. I can help you with this :). Just do the following:

1. Open the Talk page associated with the page you want to edit

2. On the Talk page and crate a new section at the very end and place { {Request edit} } (without spaces between { signs) right after the title of your new section. See Template:Request edit for details.

3. Describe exactly what you want to be changed and provide sources.

4. Wait for an experienced user (summoned by the "Request edit" template) to come in and implement your request or leave a comment.

Anton.bersh (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

That's great, thank you so much for the instructions! Catytac (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Though may I add that common sense should always prevail. If the change you're proposing is completely non-controversial and trivial, such as updating the location of a company, then there shouldn't be any real issue in making the change, even if you work for the company. A conflict of interest requires a conflict: a situation where the Encyclopedia's desire to be neutral could conceivably conflict with your desire to present your company in a good way. If it's merely a neutral fact, incapable of creating a positive or negative impression, merely a "Smith Co. is based in Boston" rather than "Smith Co is based in New York", then I don't see any point in not just making the change. 62.64.181.70 (talk) 13:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, you might have forgotten to log in.

If an edit is trivial, it has a high chance of being implemented very quickly, so there is no real reason to try and bypass the WP:COI process. On the other hand, if a page has a significant amount of COI material (even factual) it might be difficult for non-COI editors to improve the article. Consider EJBCA article: good-faith but COI editing resulted in a stalemate in which creators of the software (and therefore article subject experts) are effectively barred from editing the article directly, but no non-COI editor is willing to vouch for the proposed changes. Anton.bersh (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

search for art

how to find an artist's paintings? Search by name does not show artwork20:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)~~ 2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi 2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB. This is a help forum for editing, so if you questions like this in the future you should ask at the relevant reference desk. It's hard to find what you're looking for without the name of the artist or painting in-question, but you might have better luck searching at Wikimedia Commons, which is a sister project of Wikipedia. Clovermoss (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

searching procedure unknown

How to get instruction for searching? How to search for art by named artists? How even to use this question format. Everything just disappears. Directions say: Sign in with tildes...directions also say DON"T sign in with tildes. HOW TO SEARCH? Where are simple directions? 2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, i'm a rather fresh wikipedian but i think i can help you, if you desire to find a list of works by a certain artist, input 'List of works by [ARTIST NAME]' into the searchbar, but please remember these lists are always being expanded by wikipedians and that we don't have every work by every artist listed here, you can also go to the artists page, scroll down to the bottom and click on the link for related media on the commons, all our images are hosted on a sister site called the Wikimedia Commons.

Regarding the tildes, they are mostly used on talkpages so people know who you are, in order to sign a talkpage or userpage just write four tildes at the bottom, tildes are not used in the Teahouse on original posts, i should imagine there's some technical reason to it but i do not know exactly myself, you can use them on replies however.

OGWFP (talk) 20:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Why are you trying to search in Wikipedia? Searches in Wikipedia will turn up only material which has been the subject of a Wikipedia article, or mentioned in a Wikipedia article: it's not likely to give you lists of artworks unless either those artworks are individually WP:notable enough for people to have created articles about them, or the artist is notable and somebody has created an article about them. OGWFP is right that if somebody happens to have created a list of works by a particular artist, you can search for that title; but I'd guess that there are only a few thousand of those. What are you trying to achieve? --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

search bar useless

 2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Name an artist you are searching about. David notMD (talk) 21:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

get chat help

Contact chat help. Nothing else works.. it is all "No such page" no matter the question.2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC) 2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, IP. What specifically are you trying to find? —valereee (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, please stop starting a new section every time you come here. Ask follow-up in the same section. Name an artist and an artwork. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: It looks like you might not have "Strike out usernames that have been blocked" set in your Preferences, as this IP user has recently been blocked for repeatedly asking random and rather disruptive questions all over the shop. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Becoming a host, II

Side question: I recently replied to some questions without being a host. Is that discouraged and do my contributions suggest I may be suited for the role or is it better to wait? I'm not really proud of all of them and should read a bit more about the project and be more consistent with pinging, but having an official role may help me taking the role more seriously. Personuser (talk) 22:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Personuser: If you're comfortable about the answer and want to contribute, that's fine - there's no real formal process for becoming a host - you just help out and it happens naturally. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Personuser. Welcome to the Teahouse. Although it's not a stipulation, I personally think it would be far better if everyone does have a go at answering a range of questions here before they add their name to the list of hosts. I say this without looking at your own contributions, but we do see quite a few people who add themselves as hosts as if it were some badge of honour, but then never contribute here, and simply end up being taken off the list 6 months later for inactivity. Just so long as you're still willing to follow our Host Expectations, and stick to answering stuff you know about, then you or anyone else can help out without needing to sign yourself up or by meeting our quite relaxed minimal requirements. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. Apart from lack of notification to guest (which I can easily fix in the future) and occasionally stepping a bit out of my area of expertise (which I will be hopefully more careful about), I believe I can be helpful. I don't care that much about badges of honour and this is a great place to learn about stuff I don't know about yet, so I'll probably stay around. Personuser (talk) 23:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I point you to Rule 33 of the Internet:

Lurk moar. It's never enough.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Personuser: I am nowhere near the most experienced editor but I answer questions I 100% know. Don't answer questions you don't know. TigerScientist Chat > contribs 00:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Personuser, as a Teahouse host for quite a few years, I think that what TigerScientist said above is the best advice for aspiring hosts. Do not offer an answer unless you are highly confident that it is accurate. Do thorough research first if you are not sure. If you are still not sure, let another host answer. I have been an editor for 12 years and an administrator for four years, and there are still many aspects of this highly complex project that I do not understand well, so I let other hosts field those questions. Tip: highly technical programming type questions can be referred to Village pump - technical where the hard core computer nerds hang out.

Also, try your best to respond with a friendly, helpful, welcoming tone except when dealing with obvious trolls, who should be dealt with in a firm and businesslike tone. And ping the person who asked a good faith question, or leave an alert on their talk page. Or both. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Installing redwarn

Hello. I was about to install redwarn. Then a message displaying Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content capable of compromising your account.. Is there any problem if I install this. Does this show up for all users? Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 05:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla, yes, it shows for everyone, it is warning you that code can be malicious and prevent you from editing. RedWarn is safe to install. Enjoy your stay at Wikipedia and welcome to the teahouse. Heart ^(talk) 06:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot HeartGlow30797. Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Request For Feedback

Not sure if this is the right forum for this, but I have been improving the article on the Val sans retour over the past few moths for a university course and would love some feedback, specifically to see if the article can be upgraded to a C or B-class, and if not, where it would require further improvement. I'm not sure where to reach out to for this kind of feedback. Thank you! Antknight (talk) 04:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

It's unclear to me what the article is meant to be about: a specific valley in Morbihan, or the subject of Arthurian legend. Anyway, section headers should be in sentence case.   Maproom (talk) 07:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

why my article is not published?

i have confirmed all the informations but still my article is not published please publish my article. Bhugrii321 (talk) 08:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Bhugrii321 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the note left by the reviewer. You may also want to read Your First Article; writing a new article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. You may also want to use the new user tutorial, and review this guide to citing sources. 331dot (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Beg to differ, 331dot. Though creating an article is indeed hard, altering a policy is a harder task. -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps, but most new users are not interested in altering policies. :) 331dot (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Bhugrii321, your Draft:Sathou was declined, once. The reviewer gave a reason. Since that time you haven't made any change to the draft. I don't understand why the draft should be reconsidered, if it hasn't been improved since it was declined. Have you even read what Nearlyevil665 wrote? And there are plenty of problems with it that Nearlyevil665 didn't mention. (One point: What do you mean by "[45]", "[135]", etc.? Another: Am I just imagining this, but is the content written by more than one person? [Are quotation marks perhaps needed?]) -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse notifications

Hi. Is there a way I can get notification when someone answers my question at teahouse. If someone uses {{U|Vhhhhjhgy}} then I get a notification else no notification is received. Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 04:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vhhhhjhgy. Unless someone pings you, you cannot get a specific notification. But you can add the Teahouse to your watchlist. You can then see the most recent edit to the Teahouse whenever you take a look at your list. That may or may not be in response to your comment, but it facilitates checking. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Vhhhhjhgy: Welcome to the Teahouse. It is easy to occasionally forget to 'ping' someone so that they are notified of a reply - and many people try to answer questions here without realising this is immensely helpful to a newcomer. But those of us who have signed up as 'Hosts' should know to welcome every editor and especially to WP:PING them in their reply. If they forget to do that, these hosts can also install a special 'Talkback' tool which quickly leaves a note on the talk page of the original poster. I will do that now for you to demonstrate. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Seperate content subsection

In https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Criminal_psychology , there is, apart from the template to show the sections of the article, a section containing the different sections of the article. I don't think this is the standard for articles, should the section "contents" be deleted? CrashKnight04 (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi CrashKnight04. Yes this should be removed. It seem this was added when a new user, who had pasted content from the draft into a sandbox to make good faith improvements, created this section manually by copying the article text rather than its underlying code. (The sandbox copying was also a [clearly unwitting] copyright violation, which I will handle). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:16, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

When is a subject considered to be qualified for an article

Hi all, My first week on Wikipedia. Advanced apologies if the following question has been asked and answered before: An article I submited got rejected because the references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. I disagree, because there is significant coverage about the subject on reliable and independent publications. I read through the guidelines, and to me it seems the references are quite solid.

What could I be doing better? Would adding more references help? Please guide me to any helpful articles/guides.

Thanks in advance. Aalapvyas (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

My assessment of your sources (guide):

• https://www.afaqs.com/news/media/30446_defining-moments-g-krishnan-looking-in-the-mirror is useless for notability (connexion to subject). The article is written in the first-person and every indication is that Krishnan wrote or at least dictated it.
• https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/former-tv-today-ceo-g-krishnan-to-strike-out-on-his-own-112061400011_1.html is okay.
• https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tv-today-ceo-g-krishnan-quits-111090200059_1.html is useless for notability (unknown provenance). Who exactly wrote this?
• https://www.rukmanitrust.org/about-us/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). It's the About Us page for an organisation he sits on the board of.
• https://www.adgully.com/g-krishnan-bids-adieu-to-tv-today-network-47618.html is useless for notability (unknown provenance) and is made redundant by the Business Standard source.
• https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/aaj-tak-rules-telly-awards-62125-2009-12-02 is borderline. Are there no better sources that cover this?

Your sources are not as unimpeachable as you think. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

"Would adding more references help?" No. The problem isn't the number of references, it's their quality, as Jéské has pointed out. You need better references, not more references. Maproom (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

A distinction - your draft was Declined, not Rejected. The latter is a harsher evaluation of the potential for the draft to succeed. David notMD (talk) 11:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Bobby Joe Long

There is an inappropriate link (10 petrifying facts...) at the end ?porn who removes it? 146.70.30.197 (talk) 12:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Removed. You could have done it yourself by clicking on Edit and deleting the content. David notMD (talk) 12:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Blacklisted sites

Hi, I have been trying to work on the Debate article seeing as it is quite big and needs a lot of work. While things have been going well, but, the article was extremely lacking in sources, and thus I have been working on flushing that out. However, one of my sources "idebate", got flagged because of a blocked site called "bidebate". Obviously, they are not the same site, but the system is still flagging it. Any solutions? Thanks for the help! Willthehelpfuleditor (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Willthehelpfuleditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can request it be unblocked at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Note that it is idebate.org which is blacklisted. The entry says \bidebate\.org\b where \b means word boundary. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Got it, I'll just find another source (I didn't realize the \b), if it is blacklisted, I am sure there is a good reason. Thanks for the help Willthehelpfuleditor (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Offensive name

Offensive name Ivanpat (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC) Good day I wish to report an issue that has potential to be offensive. The reference is;

Citrus hystrix, called the kaffir lime, makrut lime, Thai lime or Mauritius papeda, is a citrus fruit native to tropical Southeast Asia and southern China. Its fruit and leaves are used in Southeast Asian cuisine and its essential oil is used in perfumery. Its rind and crushed leaves emit an intense citrus fragrance. Wikipedia

The word kaffir is offfensive in the Southern African context and is in fact banned. One can Report a person using it and the offender can be sentenced to jail or a fine. Your own definition define it as a racial term:

Kaffir (racial term) - Wikipediahttps://en.wiki.x.io › wiki › Kaffir_(racial_term) Post-apartheid South Africa — Kaffir is a term used to refer to black Africans in South Africa. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the pre-colonial...

Could it please be removed from its reference to makrut (Asian lime) and Wikipedia be discouraged from using it

Kaffir lime is a widely used term, and so Wikipedia should include it in the article, even if it may be offensive to some readers. See also: Wikipedia is not censored. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The article is Kaffir lime. Within it, the origin is described and mention is made that because of the offensive meaning of "kaffir," makrut line or Thai lime is also used. David notMD (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@keyframes

http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes#%40keyframes Harsh Rathod Poke me! 15:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Harshrathod50: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may be able to get more technical help at the technical village pump. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Graeme McLagan: Turning a name blue

I have added some info to an article originally created by myself. However, a name in the additional material has not turned blue, even though the person referenced has an entry. What have I not done? Christopher michell (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Graeme McLagan. I see four ref Wikilinks, but none are a name of a person. P.S., The book titles in the article should be italicized rather than in quotes. David notMD (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Christopher michell, I'm guessing you mean Keeley Hawes. You added it as plain text. It will not automatically turn blue when the article is created. Had you added it with brackets, it would have originally been a redlink, and that would automatically turn blue upon creation of the article. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Article rating

Hello. I've expanded Rosa - A Horse Drama. If everything is OK I think it can be uprated. How do I request that or is simply sit back and wait? I've left a note on the Opera project page to same effect. Thanks. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Thelisteninghand. Two of the references are bare URLs. I would expand those to full references before thinking about uprating the article. There is also a typographical error in the final reference. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi and thanks. I fixed those problems. The article is now rated C-class which makes me very happy. Tea all round. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with signatures

How do I make a custom signature? Because I want to create one of my own. 1989ChevyVan (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@1989ChevyVan: Check out WP:CUSTOMSIG. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 14:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC).

And use Snook's contrast checker to make sure you're not making life harder for people with sight problems. - X201 (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cran32: Ok does this work? 1989ChevyVan (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see anything :/. Try going to your preferences page (top right), and entering what you're trying to do in the signature box. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 15:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@1989ChevyVan: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you checkmark the box underneath your custom sig that says "Treat the above as wiki markup"? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Ok. How about now? 1989ChevyVan (talk | contribs) 16:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@1989ChevyVan: Nope, not seeing any difference. What is it supposed to look like? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it has contrib's now. Pelagic ( messages ) – (05:14 Sun 30, AEST) 19:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

In Taxon Box 'Type Species': Should not the species cited there also be included in discussion listing?

 96.54.23.37 (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Please clarify what you refer to, and include relevant links. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Fujifilm S1730 Digital camera article

Hello, i am working on an article for the following digital camera model:

Fujifilm S1730 Digital Bridge camera

You can view the WIP article by clicking the link above or by manually navigating to my user sandbox.

I am, however, having trouble locating reviews from reputable sources to add the article, so far i have only found the camera model listed on a digital camera database website, i have been unable to find it on Dpreview or any other photography website, it seems this model of camera has dropped off the face of the earth, or more exactly it was a cheap model on sale in the early 2010's for about £200 so it likely didn't garner much attention from 'serious' photographers, the camera is real though, i have one i bought from a charity shop a few years ago, and while it seems very similar in design to other models in the range from the same era i do not want to share specs for obvious reasons (aside from the one picture on my article, which will likely change).

I will appreciate it if you can find any information on this camera from reputable sources, as i said i have only been able to find it listed on a camera database website, other then that it's some passing mentions and the page on Fuji's site is likely long gone by now.

PS: I added the S1730 to the FinePix S-series article for you OGWFP (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

OGWFP, are you aware that every Wikipedia article is entirely based on independent, reliable, published, in-depth sources? This means that your knowledge of this camera may not be used as the basis for your article. If no published sources exist, then, unfortunately, no article is possible.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

OGWFP, though your explorations wouldn't suit Wikipedia, it may be possible to add them beneficially to Camera-Wiki (which is entirely independent of Wikipedia, but is similar in being noncommercial and using Mediawiki software). -- Hoary (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for the kind words and help, i do agree that Camera wiki is a better place for articles about specific camera models so i will look into signing up, and i'm guessing that all camera articles on here are models that have been mentioned in published reputable, reliable sources?

OGWFP (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

They are supposed to be, OGWFP, but sometimes inadequately sourced articles sneak in under the radar, or have hung around since Wikipedia's early years when standards were more lax. If you encounter such articles, you are welcome to find and add sources (if you feel inclined to do so) and/or to place an appropriate warning template on the article, and/or to propose the article for deletion. Sometimes, mentioning such an article here or on the Help desk may prompt someone to take similar actions, though it's not the official route, so to speak. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

My draft

Is my Zoopals draft ready for article space? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:JennilyW/Zoopals I added some info and added cations, but I can't find any cations for Zoopals Bowls and utensils. Dose anyone know where or the easiest way I can get cations? Thanks! 🍓⋆JennilyW♡🍧 (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure as to what you mean by "cations", but you may want to look for higher-quality sources; some of the references that you've cited look like press releases, which don't contribute to a subject's notability.

When talking about style, decapitalise the first letter in your wikilinks. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: In my opinion, the simple answer to your question is a definite "No". You've not included any citations that are unconnected with the packaging business or sales environment. Therefore, it fails our Notabilty criteria in its present form. A couple of extra lines in the Hefty article might be justified, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED, so independent sources would be needed before this article is ready for mainspace. I'm sorry to disappoint. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Page Protection

I need help getting a page protected that is being vandalized as I am typing this non-stop by trolls. Can someone guide me? Page is https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nicholas_L._Bissell_Jr. Cha20raca (talk) 07:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cha20raca. It looks to me like you are edit warring to add somebody's aunt's name as a relative of someone involved with a crime. Am I right? If so, please read the policy on biographies of living people, which forbids that type of edit. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi and thank you so much for responding to me. The person who is causing the issues is using three different names. She is not a relative of a criminal, factually she is the niece of the woman who is pertinent to the wikipedia on Nicholas Bissell, Jr. I appreciate so much your help. Cha20raca (talk) 07:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Irrelevant. Cite a source that verifies this or cease adding it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not the one who wrote irrelevant. This person is the troll that is vandalizing the page. Is there away to temporarily lock the page? Cha20raca (talk) 07:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

You're the one adding unsourced claims about living people. 3RR does not apply to removing obvious BLP-violating content, so technically you are the one edit-warring to include material that should be removed on sight. You are the one in the wrong. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Article is short-term locked. Editors have been warned about edit-warring. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Cha20raca All mention of Brenda Wolf removed from the article. Please do not put any of that back. There is a warning on your Talk page. That one case has nothing to do with why there is an article about Bissell. David notMD (talk) 22:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

My spelling edits keep getting reverted

I was on Wikipedia fixing typos for articles, but then I noticed that my edits kept being reverted back to the incorrect spelling even if it's correct, what's going on? Pink Saffron (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pink Saffron. You failed to give any diffs, but I can see some good examples of what you're referring to. It's usually a combination of WP:ENGVAR plus the fact that a lot of people simply can't spell correctly, yet think they can! If it's clearly fixing a plain 'wrong' spelling in any culture, feel free to revert again and to leave an explanatory note for them. Obviously, you'll not be helping if you change colour to color, or vice versa. Sometimes(especially in quotations) you might wish to use {{notatypo}}.Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Pink Saffron. Many of your spelling correction have stuck (thank you!), so (as indicated above) it would be really helpful if you advised which reverts/articles prompted your question. Regardless, looking into the issue by anyone would likely target looking at the page histories of the articles involved, the specific diffs (short for "differences") of the reverts found in those page histories, as well as their accompanying edit summaries, if any—all to learn why the reverts took place. My apologies if you are already familiar with these matters, but since I think a knowledge of those parts of the interface are key to answering your question, I'm hoping providing these three links will be helpful to you. One example: looking at the diffs and edit summaries shown in the histories of both Intermittent fasting and V (New York City Subway service) shows that both of the reverts involved were to earlier revisions of the articles, done to remove substantive changes to the prose by another editor (whose additions contained spelling errors that you subsequently fixed), which changes the 'reverters' didn't think should be included at all. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Pink Saffron, thanks for you spelling fixes! I used tag filter "mw-reverted" on your contributions [5] and there are not too many, given the numerous edits that you have made. Looking at the history for the most recent example [6], I see the other editor reverted your spelling fix to match the article title, then realised that you were right and they moved the article to the correct spelling. A few others I checked at random are multi-undo's, same as the ones @Fuhghettaboutit noted, so that seems to be the most common cause. If someone reintroduces a spelling error in that way and doesn't correct it themselves, feel free to fix it again. On the other hand, if they revert you specifically, then you might want to open a discussion. Pelagic ( messages ) – (11:36 Sun 30, AEST) 01:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Wolfgang Klaehn (Klähn) (Oct. 13, 1929 – June 30, 2019). Painter from Hamburg, Germany.

 J.D. Usandivaras (talk) 01:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Wolfgang Klähn (Q2590246). He has an article on German Wikipedia but not other languages. Pelagic ( messages ) – (12:02 Sun 30, AEST) 02:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Oops, forgot ping J.D. Usandivaras. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (12:03 Sun 30, AEST) 02:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@J.D. Usandivaras: Welcome to Wikipedia. Did you have a question about your draft at Draft:Wolfgang Klaehn? RudolfRed (talk) 02:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I looked at Draft:Wolfgang Klaehn and cleaned it up a bit. It contains no sources, J.D. Usandivaras to get the article published, you will need to add sources. However, in a search I saw no reliable sources online. --- Possibly (talk) 06:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft help

FYI

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Bhemabhai_Chaudhary?markasread=219149945&markasreadwiki=enwiki Please fix this problem NBC 84 (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@NBC 84: The reviewer is correct here, brother. Carefully read all the policies which are mentioned by him. Not a single reference in your draft is solely dedicated to the subject (the person) in question. Just because someone is a member of a political party does not make him a notable person. There should be written pieces/articles (at least five of them from very highly recognized sources) which talk only about him. I know it is a very salty experience to get something that you've worked on with dedication to get rejected like it was nothing. But this is the reality. Face it. Good luck with your future article submissions. 😉 Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

One more suggestion: cite only those sources written in the English language because, obviously, this is an English wikipedia. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Harshrathod50: That is not necessary. English language references are preferred, but foreign language references are allowed. RudolfRed (talk) 17:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The relevant policy subsection is WP:NOTENG. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed and Tenryuu: That is just my suggestion. Simple. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 07:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

About newspaper sources

I declined a draft Draft:Sushil Chandra Roy Chowdhury because it only cited newspaper sources with zero other online sources. The way these references are written is also very vague from what I see and I couldn't accept and agree on those just in good faith. What if these are just randomly written and the alleged print sources don't exist! But what if the creator has these newspaper images; they are pretty old so I doubt that they have it but the creator has claimed so on my talk page. I can't ask them to upload it on commons since they won't own copyrights of it I guess. What do in such a case? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad: Sources do not need to be online. If you doubt the veracity of an offline source, you can ask at WP:RX for someone to check on it. If I misunderstood your question, please clarify. RudolfRed (talk) 03:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, Nomadicghumakkad, sources don't need to be online. But there are some problems here. I notice that:

• his "Auto Switch" is mentioned as something other than his "Automatic Time Switch" but goes undescribed
• he's described as having employed the government of India [not vice versa?]
• he's described as a "genius"
• each of the references is extraordinarily vague [title of article? page number(s)?]
• nothing in the article is attributed to any of these references in particular
• he's described as "forgotten" [except, perhaps, among his descendants?]
• the biographee and the biographer share the same surname

-- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Hoary, There is a clear WP:COI. My assumption is that he is from the same family line. And apart from that the article has all sorts of other problems like you have highlighted. My question is:

• If someone cites a printed source and give title, name of newspaper, date etc but provides otherwise no evidence that this source existed; do we accept that in good faith and not doubt it?
• What if the creator is claiming that he has newspaper clips/images of the said source, can he upload those on commons or somewhere? I think this one has already done it. See here [7].

Please guide. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm made for CSS beginning for level 1!

CSS

Use CSS for span <span style="background:lavender; padding: 2px 2px; border-radius:3px">CSS</span> It's rose gold! Q? 05:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@RoseGold1250: Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? If you want to learn CSS, try one of these tutorials on MDN. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

help - can't enable page preview functionality when reading Wikipedia articles

Can't enable page preview functionality when reading Wikipedia articles 77.13.198.210 (talk) 04:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

You need to create an account to have that option, 77.13.198.210.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

You need an account for Navigation popups but not for Page Previews. If you have disabled it then look for "Edit preview settings" at the bottom of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft checking

I have created a Wikipedia page about Vansh sayani an Indian child artist. Which has not yet been approved. Can anyone tell me why it has not been accepted yet? Tellyring (talk) 08:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Tellyring Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. You have not submitted your draft for review, I will shortly add the appropriate information so you can do so. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Vansh sayani submitted for review. Please accept it. Tellyring (talk) 08:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I restored two Declines of this draft, which Tellyring had removed. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Tellyring Teahouse hosts advise, but are not AfC reviewers (well, most are not). There is a backlog of about 5,000 drafts. It could be months before this is reviewed again. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, you have been advised on your Talk page that there is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents about a proposal to block you for disruptive attempts to create and edit this draft (repeated copyright violations, edit warring, etc.). David notMD (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• I have blocked Tellyring. I hadn't checked the draft history. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Awards sections

Hi! Is there a convention for including Awards sections in the articles of heads of state? Thanks beforehand! NoonIcarus (talk) 16:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, NoonIcarus. The guidance that I can offer is that if there is a Wikipedia article about the award, and independent coverage in a reliable source confirming that the award was given, then it probably merits inclusion. Do not include obscure and unimportant awards ignored by reliable independent sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:53, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Understood, I think that clarifies the issue for the most part, many thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Which WP would be better to improve this article

Hello. I would like some suggestions on which WikiProject would be best suitable to improve this article: Ganapathi Sachchidananda. There are indeed a lot of issues flagged. Thanks for your suggestions. -- DaxServer (talk) 14:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@DaxServer: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to improve it. There are several projects listed on the article's talk page. Depending on which section of the article you want to work on, pick the one that fits. For example, if it is the section regarding music, then try the Musicians Wikiproject. RudolfRed (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Question about Wikipedia:Notability

I was referred to this noticeboard by another editor regarding a draft I submitted. I am interested in learning about the WP:Notability and WP:NBIO requirements. I read through these carefully and thought that the sources in Draft:Apoorva Mehta met the requirements, but it was declined. I'm trying to learn what is acceptable for these requirements for future reference. Can anyone take a look and explain what I might be misunderstanding about the Basic Criteria in WP:NBIO? The sources are below which I thought had satisfied the “multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject” and my notes about each:

• Feature in Enterpreneur (reviewing editor says this doesn't count because it's "by a contributor")
• Featured on cover of Forbes (he is on the cover, is mentioned 38 times, describes a lot about his personal life and career)
• Another feature in Forbes (more than half of the article is directly about him)
• Featured in TIME (on the Time 100 list)
• Feature in GQ India (more than half of this article is about him)
• Feature in CNBC (is claimed to be "the youngest billionaire of Indian-origin", half of this is about him)
• There’s also this one but honestly looks like the same as the Forbes cover story above so I don't know if it would count for anything: Forbes India

Thank you. BuickaSoka (talk) 15:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Poof! Apoorva Mehta now an accepted article. David notMD (talk) 16:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

BuickaSoka, I read the Forbes and Los Angeles Times coverage and quickly became convinced that the article should be accepted so I boldly moved it to main space. I am joking only a little bit when I say that when the Los Angeles Times devotes significant coverage to someone who lives in San Francisco, then that person is notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328 and David notMD Oh, nice thank you. I was pretty sure I had understood WP:NBIO but started to second guess myself and wondered if I was missing another requirement somewhere. Appreciate the feedback! BuickaSoka (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

All I did was make sections. David notMD (talk) 17:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Trouble with Verifiable References

Hello! I recently had an article declined because my sources were not considered reliable. I had suspected this might happen as I was working with old newspaper clippings from the 50's and 60's many of which are no longer in print. I am wondering how I can proceed or how best to use source material that was published years ago but is no longer verifiable online? Janegrey669 (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to Teahouse! Just to clarify, are you talking about Draft:João Artur da Silva? I see the following problems with provided sources:

1. None of these sources have a URL readily available online. There is one source with a URL, but that URL appears dead. Also, there is a source from The Guardian. Maybe, you could find it within The Guardian Archive?
2. Some sources have only the date (year) and author name, but not a title. Maybe, you could add the titles of the works?
3. Many of these sources are exhibition catalogs, so they include the material submitted by the authors and therefore might not classify as a third-party source. Do these catalogs have any commentary written by, e.g. exhibit curators? If not, catalogs might be considered not reliable like uncurated blog entries, news wire press releases, and article subject's own statements.

Hope that helps.Anton.bersh (talk) 16:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Just to clarify point 1: The source doesn't need a URL if you can verify it in some other way (e.g., by going to a museum or a library). It's just easiest to find material online instead of going to a particular place. Anton.bersh (talk) 16:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Stronger than that, Anton.bersh. A source absolutely does not need to be available on line, and even if it is, a URL is often not a crucial part of the citation, but a convenience for the reader or reviewer. The important parts of the citation are title, date, publication, author if available, so that a reader can in principle locate the source (eg through a library as Anton says). Giving this information also helps reviewers to decide quickly whether a source is likely to meet the three criteria of being reliable, independent, and having significant coverage of the subject. Most of your references do have titles, Janegrey669, but several of the titles suggest that these are not independent sources, but derive from the artist's associates or institutions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The age of the sources isn't the issue, Janegrey669. Non-independent sources can be used for some material, providing that it's just basic details, but in general you want to be using independent sources as much as possible. You also need to ensure that everything in the article can be verified; what's the source for the claim that "In 1991 João Artur relocated again, this time to British Columbia, Canada, so that his wife, Raymonde, could be closer to her sister", for instance? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Anish Thangamuthu

Anish Thangamuthu Is Indian Politician.He is Born on (05/May/1997) in Kanyakumari district .He is Member of Indian National Congress (2015) He Is President of Virudhunagar district National Students' Union of India Secretary

And Tamil Nadu Congress Committee

References

Hello Kanyakumari123 and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you want to create a WP-article about this person, start with Help:Your first article and follow the guidance there. See also WP:BASIC. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Should these "references" be taken out?

For the page Go Fridge, I see that there are a lot of "references" at the bottom. However, they look more like footnotes describing a person, rather than references. Should they be removed or moved somewhere else? Chuandmi (talk) 01:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

No need to delete the footnotes, Chuandmi. I tend to prefer separating footnotes out from references when there are a lot of them. If there's only one or two then I often don't bother. One way to achieve this would be to change <ref> to {{efn}}, and create a separate Notes section. Pelagic ( messages ) – (11:58 Sun 30, AEST) 01:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! I noticed that most footnotes are after a person's name, but that person's name is hyperlinked anyways so it's redundant. For example, reference number 36 and 37 essentially states who that person is. Can those be removed? Also some footnotes like 42 are used on someone who does not have a wiki page. Does that footnote need to have a reference or should it be removed entirely? Chuandmi (talk) 18:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards

The first paragraph regarding a tweet from Taylor Swift is clearly false. Please fix this. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/2021_iHeartRadio_Music_Awards 2601:648:8402:58F0:5925:F48C:D8E4:57BA (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Talk:2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards is the preferred place to report any factual errors in the article, 2601:648:8402:58F0:5925:F48C:D8E4:57BA.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Published author to be featured on Wikipedia

Good day, can you advise how to go about creating a bio as a published author? Petemiguelward (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Petemiguelward. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Please read the notability guideline for authors and Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 14:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Petemiguelward: Being a published author does not, per se, make you notable. I am also an author of a book, and would not expect to have a Wikipedia article about me. Having seen your own website and how you write about yourself, I strongly urge you not to attempt to create an autobiographical article. Let someone else do that once you do attain Notable status, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

woodrow wilson

I have added a couple of paragraphs to the Home Front section of the Wilson entry. The entry is protected and I have not received a rsponse to my proposed insert. The current version is inaccurate and biased. <redacted> Rosalux1900 (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rosalux1900, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you just add a suggestion to a Talk page, it will quite often happen that nobody will notice who is prepared to act on it. The suggested action in WP:Edit requests is to add the template {{edit request}} to your request, which puts it on a list which some editors watch. You have included a source, which is good; but you have not specified precisely what change you are recommending to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rosalux1900. Please do not post personally identifying information. You did not make a formal edit request. You posted some information on Talk: Woodrow Wilson. Please note that this is a Good article that recently went through a peer review. The article already contains the following paragraph:

"Anarchists, Industrial Workers of the World members, and other antiwar groups attempting to sabotage the war effort were targeted by A. Mitchell Palmer and his Department of Justice; many of their leaders were arrested for incitement to violence, espionage, or sedition. Wilson was incapacitated and was not told what was happening."

This article is a biography of Wilson. It should not cover every single thing that happened during his presidency, especially things he was uninvolved with when his health declined. We have other articles such as Industrial Workers of the World, Eugene V. Debs and Palmer Raids where it is appropriate to cover these matters in greater depth. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Some of the issues that concern you are covered later in the body of the article in the section called "Red Scare and Palmer Raids". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

draft:androidwedakarayo.com

draft:androidwedakarayo.com is my first Wikipedia article and it has been declined to publish two times in a row. I want to know why was it happening and how could I get it published successfully without declining it. How to develop the article to get published. Could someone help me with check my draft. If you are an admin, please do not delete it, it is still in draft mode and it doesn't do any harm to Wikipedia. Senlanka (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Androidwedakarayo.com. Status: Declined twice (5/29, 5/29), revised, resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 19:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Senlanka, I'm the reviewer who declined the draft the first time. As the decline message says, we need significant coverage in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Looking at the draft's current references, there are still issues. References #1, #4, and #6 are links to its own website. #8, #9, and #10 are actually the same source which is not actually about androidwedakarayo, it's just the website that hosted a poll. #5 (WHOIS), #7 (Google Play listing), and #8 (Huawei listing) don't help establish notability at all. #2 is a sponsored post from a marketing team. #12 and #13 don't constitute significant coverage. The draft is still in need of sources that satisfy the criteria I laid out at the beginning of this paragraph. Does that make sense? DanCherek (talk) 20:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi DanCherek I got what you said. Could you please decline the submission of the said article? Please do not suggest for speed deletion. I will enhance the article with more reliable sources and let you know before Submit back it again. Please don't suggest for speed deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Senlanka: I have removed your latest re-submission from the draft. Feel free to work on it at your leisure and resubmit for review if/when the issues have been resolved. DanCherek (talk) 20:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: I have checked references #8, #9. In those articles, the journalists have clearly mentioned the contest the held by androidwedakarayo.com and those references were added because I have added a section regarding the events that androidwedakarayo.co has been done. For example I will disclose with quoting the relevant paragraphs from the articles. Please let me know why did those articles are not related with androidwedakarayo.com. Then I can develop my knowledge about selecting references for wikipedia. I hope you will help me to understand.

Reference #8 from DailyMirror - DailyMirror is a well reputed newspaper in Sri Lanka and dailymirrior.lk is the official website of them. The said reference include like this, and in those articles, they have clearly mentioned androidwedakarayo.com also

Extended content

Yet, there was no formal competition being conducted regarding the Most Popular Smartphone Brand in Sri Lanka. A newpoll was conducted by Android Wedakarayo - a Sri Lankan tech/ mobile website which was hosted on their official website – www.androidwedakarayo.com & OPPO emerged as the winner of the title “The Most Popular Smartphone Brand of the Year 2018 – In Sri Lanka”. It was held on the website with the polling system from Pinpoll in which the public was allowed to vote for their choice of the brand – where all the Smartphone brands available in Sri Lanka was added to the Poll. Information about the poll was communicated in Social Media which resulted in most of the young tech enthusiasts voting for their choice of brand. Multiple votes by a single person were disabled whilst human image verification was enabled to verify the authenticity of the voters. The poll was active for one week and ended on 25th Dec, 2018 & subsequently the Poll results were shared to the public. (Results of Android Wedakarayo’ poll could be referred at http://www.androidwedakarayo.com/most-popular-brand-2018/) “OPPO is undoubtedly the go to brand amongst Sri Lanka’s young demographic. The brand topped our list in the polls for the most popular Smartphone brand of the year 2018. We believe that the brand has been effectively made an emotional connection with Sri Lanka’s youth,” commented GevinduAloka from the Android Wedakarayo team.(http://www.androidwedakarayo.com/oppo-winner/) Android Wedakarayo is a bunch of tech enthusiasts, believe-in sharing ideas and spreading awareness among the tech world. Android Wedakarayo writes, discusses, shares their views on the development of the tech world and even hold concern programs both online and offline in Sri Lanka. Founded in June 2013 by Rajitha Dananjaya Android Wedakarayo was initially a Facebook Group. With the main motive being “To contribute towards a tech concerned and digitally updated Sri Lanka”, the target audience comprises of mostly Sri Lankans whose native language is “Sinhala”.

Furthermore I have checked #9 and #10 references. #9 and #10 was copied the news form Dailymirror.lk and published on their own sites. Therefore, I have removed those duplicated references from the Draft:Androidwedakarayo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 20:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Senlanka: Sure, it's a reliable source that is about Android Wedakarayo and can certainly remain in the article, but it's only approximately 100 words about your subject (excluding the quote), and so I hope you can support the draft with additional sources that demonstrate more significant coverage in order to establish notability. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) DanCherek (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek:Thank you for your feedback Dan. It was very helpful to me. Can I add a YouTube video that has been uploaded by a YouTuber, who has YouTube verified badge? Is it a reliable source? Now I found an event that androidwedakarayo.com has been held in 2018 and the references are only on YouTube. But still I did not add about that event because I want to clarify about using YouTube videos as references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 21:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Senlanka: There is no blanket ban on citing YouTube; however, keep in mind that it is self-published, so the video is only as reliable as its publisher. For example, if I cite a news video from the official channel of The New York Times, that would likely be a reliable source. But if I upload my own video, that wouldn't be appropriate for citing on Wikipedia. I believe the verified badge only confirms that someone is who they say they are, and it's not an indication of reliability. Generally proceed with great caution and cite a YouTube channel if and only if other established reliable sources indicate that they are authoritative. DanCherek (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I see that a contribution I supposedly deleted has been restored. If I in fact did the deletion, it was unintended. So, sorry. Smallchief (talk) 21:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Thank you so much for your explanation.

@Smallchief: Be cool bro. We all are humans and we all make mistakes during this journey. I saw that you have restored what you deleted. You are a humble guy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 21:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

From archive 1108: "Because unregistered editors cannot create pages in the Wikipedia namespace, they cannot nominate articles for deletion". I don't see how this is a "because" scenario. "Because my car is red, I can't have pancakes today". Can someone please explain that deletion thing? Not the car thing, but mmmm, pancakes. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 12:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion requires creation of a nomination page in the Wikipedia namespace. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to nominate a single page for deletion says how unregistered users can request it so it's a little inaccurate to say they cannot nominate articles for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Gallery

Hello, I came across the gallery section in Ini Dima-Okojie and noted that it was quite lengthy. I know wikipedia is not a repository of images so I want to know if anything should be done about this.TheSokks_(talk) 13:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

All these images were added very recently by Dynacorp. Assuming that they were indeed taken by that editor (as the Commons licensing information asserts) I think that the more normal process would be to assign them all to a Commons category, which hasn't been done, and then add that category information plus perhaps a couple of the actual photographs to the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Some at least of these images look like album or magazine covers, so may well be copyright violations. Dynacorp needs to respond quickly about this, so I'll leave a message on their Talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Another editor has now reverted all these recent changes to the article, assuming they were WP:COPYVIO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I also suspected COPYVIO was at play. Thank you for your time. TheSokks_(talk) 13:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Note: All of the images have been mass deleted at the Commons.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't "dynacorp" sound like a username violation? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Tim Heatley

 Courtesy link: Draft:Tim Heatley

Hey, I declared the COI. Can someone review it now? I will edit and create other articles that I am not connected too! Spicyramens (talk) 14:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Spicyramens Teahouse hosts are not draft reviewers (well, a few are). Regardless, the draft is one of thousands waiting for a reviewer. As mentioned earlier, the system is not a queue. Can be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. You can edit existing articles and create more drafts. In my opinion, many of the references are only name-mentions of Heatley, or are interviews, neither being types that confirm notability. Heatley should not be quoted (Wikipedia care naught for what Heatley thinks or says). You did not write the draft, but you submitted it. I strongly suggest you work on improving the draft while waiting for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

He does not look notable. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Tim Heatley

Hello, does it really take 4+ months to get the Draft reviewed? Spicyramens (talk) 00:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Spicyramens and welcome to the Teahouse. The wikiproject that reviews and accepts/declines new articles has a backlog of 4,904. It's really unfortunate that you've had to wait this long, but hopefully you'll get some feedback soon. Clovermoss (talk) 01:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Spicyramens:, this is a great question. There really is no specific timeframe for a draft to be reviewed; Wikipedia receives thousands of drafts every day. It does take time for the editors to sift through them all— sometimes drafts are pure vandalism— so yes, it may take up to six months for your draft to be reviewed. In the meantime, keep working on it. I suggest having a look at WP:FIRST to fill in any gaps, and WP:PCR to help you with expanding it. Hope I’ve been of some help. 😇 🐍Helen🐍 01:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

To be more specific than answered by Clovermoss and HelenDegenerate, the backlog is not a queue. Drafts can be reviewed in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. All depends on what each reviewer chooses to pick next (with some bias toward keeping an eye on the oldest drafts). P.S. I doubt Wikipedia receives thousands of drafts every day. Can anyone put a number on that? David notMD (talk) 01:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

What is your connection to Draft:Tim Heatley? It was created in February by an editor suspected of being a paid editor. You submitted it to AfC in April, although you did no prior editing of the draft. David notMD (talk) 02:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I do not know how many are created each day, but most are taken care of in the first hour with quick declines and speedy deletions. Around 30ish enter the backlog, and depending on how carefully a particular draft needs to be considered, it may be reviewed the next day, next week, next month or in sixth months. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Submissions. It between two and three hundred per day, some days a little less. RudolfRed (talk) 04:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

But please be advised that the stats there are simply the number of elements in the AfC date categories (for example Category:AfC submissions by date/29 May 2021) which don't include speedy deleted drafts after the category element count is updated the next time. You have to view the deletion log for that, which shows over 100 draft deletions in the last like 8 hours. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thank you for that extra information and clarification! RudolfRed (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

David notMD Yes, I am connected to Tim Heatley. Do I need to do something about it? Please send the instructions. Spicyramens (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Spicyramens I have placed instructions on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

He does not look notable. He built some properties. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Article:Iraj Weeraratne

I observe that Iraj Weerarathne article was not with reliable references. But how could this article still be on Wikipedia? Senlanka (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Since all content on Wikipedia is user-submitted, some of it is not verifiable, not reliable, and sometimes outright misleading. You can suggest deletion of the content you deem not suitable for Wikipedia. The easiest way to do so is probably Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. Anton.bersh (talk) 22:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

It had references until it was messed up earlier this week. An editor added a long lost of URLs in the section References rather than creating in-line references. The article has been in existence for years; in my opinion it needs a rescue rather than a proposed deletion. David notMD (talk) 22:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I've restored it to the last stable version. Now to see if it sticks... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

What is the best coffee maker under 100 $ machines in 2021?

 Carolagee875 (talk) 16:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

• You're in the wrong place. This is not Which?. Bishonen | tålk 16:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC).

Which looks really interesting! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Rating wikipedia articles

Hi, I'm trying to have my wikipedia article On China reviewed for an assignment. I tried to put in DYK section but don't know if I did correctly. Could anyone help me with how to get the article reviewed. Thanks for any help. Clancoo (talk) 02:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Clancoo: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you mean by On China being your article; it's been around since 2012. The article is already in mainspace, so there's no need for it to be reviewed, unless you're thinking of giving it a special designation like good article or featured article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Sorry I should of said article I worked on. Yes, I was hoping to get it rated, as i have brought it from a stub to a filled article. How can I go about that? Thanks for your help.

Clancoo: the second sentence of the second paragraph of On China, starting "The book opens", is oddly punctuated, and I can't find a sensible way to parse it. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

... and the "Criticism" section needs thorough copy-editing. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I changed the rating to C-class. With a bit of work, might be B, but that decision should be made by an editor familiar with the topic. Your submission failed at DYK (see Template:Did you know nominations/On China). The increase in prose length was sufficient, but DYK rules require that work be completed within 7 days. By the time you had applied to DYK, already too late. David notMD (talk) 08:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

"Whilst disregard the consequences". Yes, that section needs copyediting. And the article is written in AME I think, so all of the "Whilst" words are jarring. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 23:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with editing the bio of a living artist

Hi

In February 2021, I was trying to update a profile of a living artist who happens to be a friend of a friend.

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Vlastimil_Beránek

However, I was prevented from updating the biography because the moderator(s) suspected I was being paid for the work. I wasn't. It was simply a favor for a friend. (This was stated to the moderator at the time, to no avail).

Shortly afterwards, I suffered a serious health issue, and have been away from Wikipedia since - until now.

Rather than fall foul of very complicated rules again, I am requesting help, as a new / inexperienced contributor, in updating the artist's profile (as a favor to my old university friend, not a paid gig).

To make it simple, I want to improve / update / correct the biography paragraph-by-paragraph, so that I can easily see what is / what is not being rejected, and learn from it.

Would it be acceptable for me to post each proposed paragraph here on this Teahouse thread, for approval / disapproval / advice, before moving on to the next paragraph?

If not, how best should I proceed?

Many thanks. Blackpebblemedia (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC) Blackpebblemedia (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! Wikipedia rules against "conflict of interest" are described here. In particular, they say "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships." (I added emphasis). Anton.bersh (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Blackpebblemedia, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, No, you may not paste the proposed changes here, but you can do so on the talk page of the article in question. Please see WP:ER to guide you. Celestina007 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

There will be a problem with pursuing the recommended path, which is to propose changes on the Talk page, so that a non-involved editor can decide. The article itself averages about one viewer per day, the Talk page less. But you can propose specific changes and submit an edit request, which will notify a need for it to be looked at. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Be aware that much of what you added in February that was reverted does not belong in a Wikipedia article. For example, the entire Commodity and investment section. Also, hyperlinks are not allowed, so do not propose content with hyperlinks, as you had done in your reverted addition. David notMD (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blackpebblemedia:, FYI, this page has been nominated for deletion, the discussion is here. Anton.bersh (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice, which is appreciated and noted. Back to the drawing board. Over & out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackpebblemedia (talk • contribs) 23:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Concerned

An editor - currently blocked from editing following an ENW notice - has recently posted by real name, and my (private) work email address on their talk page. I have a chilled stomach with worry and anxiety. What are my actions here, what can be done to remove my details, if indeed they can? doktorb _words^deeds 23:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Doktorbuk. I suggest you go to WP:OVERSIGHT and contact the Oversight Team immediately via the email link on that page. I also suggest you try to take care of this a much as you can via email so as to avoid the this type of scenario from happening. WP:OUTING is a serious policy violation and in your email you should request that an oversighter remove the account's ability to edit its own talk page. You can also email any administrator and ask them to do so as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. doktorb _words^deeds 00:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Doktorbuk: If something similar happens in the future, don't post about it (even cryptically) on any public Wikipedia page since that could just attract attention. Remove the content per WP:TPG#Removing prohibited material (just leave a bland edit summary) and then contact an administrator asap via email and seek help that way. Don't try and engage the other editor any further because that will likely just make things worse. Generally, in the case of a blocked use, the name of the administrator who blocked the account as well as the names of any administrator who respond to an unblock request should be somewhere on the blocked editor's user talk page; so, contact one of those administrators (or the Oversight Team) via email, explain the issue and one of them will take care of it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The editor in question has now been indefinitely blocked for repeated policy violations despite being a number of warnings and has had their ability to edit their user talk page also taken away. Just ignore them from here on and stay away from their talk page. If you think they're back editing using another account, then seek administrator via WP:SPI or via email. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Barnstars by IP

Do IP addresses could present barnstars to users? And yes, it could be a joke that an IP is asking this question. 125.167.117.156 (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Anyone including IP editors can give out barnstars. However, handing out a lot of barnstars for no discernable good reason is suspicious behavior, so be cautious. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Tags in edits

What does the "#1lib1ref" tags I am seeing in the edit summaries lately mean? GenQuest ^"scribble" 00:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC) GenQuest ^"scribble" 00:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, GenQuest. It is an annual campaign to encourage librarians to add references to reliable sources. The idea is that if every librarian on Earth added even one reference, the encyclopedia would be improved significantly. Obviously, the hope is that some of them will stay around and become active editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the info. GenQuest ^"scribble" 01:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding photos to an existing Wikipedia page

 Courtesy link: Intertype Corporation

The Wikipedia "Intertype Corporation" page has a couple of photos. I have 16 photos I took during 1966 while on a tour of the Intertype manufacturing facility in Brooklyn, N.Y. Would any of them be appropriate (and worthy) for use on the aforementioned Wiki page? I would donate them freely. If not on the page, perhaps in the Reference section at the bottom of the page? Here is a link to my photos, including a description: https://coutant.com/intertype/ Thank you. Stan Coutant Cmfwyp Vbgkqj (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Cmfwyp Vbgkqj, you can surely add photos there. You might also find reading WP:IMAGES helpful. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 03:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Cool photos. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Cmfwyp Vbgkqj, if you are willing to freely license the photos, then I suggest that you upload them to our sister project Wikimedia Commons. I think that there are too many for the article, but the best of them could be used. And we can add a link to a Commons page showing them all, for readers who want to see more. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Deletion to article

I refer to article People educated at North Sydney Boys High School. Many persons have contributed over the years to a long list with proper substantive references. But recently the article was "prune to include only those with a separate article on themselves. This resulted in some deletions of notables worthy of articles in their own right but presently none exist. As the mass deletion was not reversed by a supervising editor, does this mean such a mass deletion is acceptable? When I clicked undo, that operation is prevented by subsequent alterations. Reversal only possible manually – a very laborious task made unattractive by possibility of same end result. Your comments would be helpful. Saki0710 (talk) 09:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Saki0710. We don't have an article on People educated at North Sydney Boys High School. Do you mean List of Old Boys of Sydney Boys High School? I don't see that any have been "mass deleted" recently, but if they were it was probably in persuance of Wikipedia's policy WP:ALUMNI, which please read. By all means create the articles for any additional people, and then add them to the list.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Your "recently" was misleading. There was a significant removal of names in 2015. The reasoning was valid then and valid now - alumni are listable if an article about them exists. There can be exceptions. In the list in question, a ref confirms that some became Rhodes Scholars, so names listed despite no articles. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I made a major error in my posting! Article title should have read List of Old Falconians for which there was a mass deletion/pruning on 9 March 2021. The article in its previous form was subject to scrutiny by a number of supervising editors over the years (I know because they contacted me) but suddenly runs foul of one. That is disheartening as years of work disappears. And since I posted another name Peterson has been deleted with reason unreferenced. How can that be valid when the link is clearly made to a separate subject article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saki0710 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: List of Old Falconians, diff. Probably different school, but similar policies may apply Personuser (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Saki0710. The first sentence of List of Old Falconians says "This is a list of notable Old Falconians". (Emphasis added). "Notable" in this context means "already has a Wikipedia biography". This standard does not apply just to this article, but also to all of the tens of thousands of alumni lists on this encyclopedia. Without this standard, alumni lists would devolve to gigantic, sprawling lists of every person who attended, and the lists for prestigious universities would be filled with con artists trying to falsify their credentials. You mention "supervising editors" but there is no such title on Wikipedia. All editors are equal, although some are more experienced and knowledgeable than others. Nobody has the power to give a final stamp of approval to any content, and if poorly referenced or inappropriate content is discovered, then it should be removed. All the information is still present in the history of the article, and you are welcome to write well-referenced policy compliant articles about any who are actually notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Seeking Editing Advice/Suggestions

Hi There!

I am a student who is new to Wikipedia. One of my courses consists of editing and updating the Geophilus Flavus Wikipedia page, I was wondering if anyone would be able to provide me with some feedback or suggestions to help me improve this page? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Witchruby (talk) 03:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Witchruby: You and your instructor should read Wikipedia:Student_assignments. Make sure any changes you make are backed up by citations to reliable sources. You may want to try the WP:TUTORIAL or learning game at WP:ADVENTURE. RudolfRed (talk) 04:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Witchruby. If you truly want to improve Geophilus flavus, then you need to familiarize yourself with the full range of scientific literature discussing the species, and use your critical reading skills to sort the articles thst devote significant coverage to the species from those that just mention it in passing. Immerse yourself in that significant coverage, and summarize it in the article, giving due weight to contradictory descriptions, adding references to any reliable sources that you have uncovered that are not already in the article. This type of article about a little known species should constitute an authoritative survey of the published academic literature. Your work will then become a great benefit to any future scholar who chooses to study this species in greater depth. Perhaps you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Here are three easy ways to improve the Geophilus flavus article:

• Ensure that the name Geophilus flavus is correctly capitalised and italicised wherever it appears in the article.
• Remove "the" from before it, throughout the article.
• Convert the section headers to "sentence case".

Maproom (talk) 07:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

We had another Teahouse questioner who was putting "the" in front of the species name. I wonder if this usage is coming from the course instructor? Pelagic ( messages ) – (08:39 Sun 30, AEST) 22:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Witchruby, congrats on expanding the article; I think it reads quite well now! Where "Geophilus flavus" is repeated multiple times in a paragraph, you can (but don't have to) abbreviate subsequent mentions as "G. flavus". Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:14 Sun 30, AEST) 00:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Pelagic,

Thanks for this feedback! And thank you for the suggestion re. G.flavus. If you're willing I'd be very grateful if you could evaluate the Article for C-class standard?

Kind thanks

--Witchruby (talk) 02:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding Video

How to add this kind of box named External video in an article? 106.197.17.154 (talk) 06:03, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@106.197.17.154: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is the work of two templates working in conjunction, {{external media}} and {{YouTube}}. You can click the edit link next to the section header to see how its done. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I got a Barnstar!

I am super excited as a newbie to earn a Barnstar after my first published article. Really grateful to teahouse for all the assist, brace up guys because I am going to be pestering you some more for my 999 articles. Thanks. Bibihans (talk) 07:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Keep the new articles coming Bibihans! Thanks for working on Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba and expanding Wikipedia's coverage in international subjects. We're glad to have you with us, and we're also excited to see what you will come up with next. If you have any questions, feel free to drop by here. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thank you so much. Been working on another Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare my second draft and also editing other published articles too. Bibihans (talk) 08:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

How I can be extended and confirmed user?

I witnessed that some user's have subheading below their user name as E.C user. I want to be one. Guide me and how can I find new created articles, where I can copy edit and contribute. Huge Earth (talk) 08:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Huge Earth: Extended confirmed just means that the account is 30+ days old and has 500+ edits, so keep improving articles and you'll get there someday. As for finding new pages, there is Special:NewPagesFeed; you are of course welcome to improve those new articles, but you can't mark pages as patrolled unless you have the patroller user right. Also, the feed includes new articles on all kinds of topics, which you may not be an expert on. Instead, I suggest you to start improving existing articles on topics that you are interested in: join a Wikipedia:WikiProject, be bold, and collaborate with other editors. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Complete source code not appearing in phones and tablets

The compete source code doesn’t appear while trying to edit in phones and tablets . Jerry69420 (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jerry69420: On mobile, you have to scroll to the specific section you want to edit. Once you expand the section, there will be a pencil-shaped icon next to the section header that allows you to edit that section only. An alternative is to click the "Desktop" link at the very bottom of the page, which will load the desktop version of Wikipedia. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Jerry69420. Are you editing Wikipedia directly in a browser on your mobile (i.e. don't try to edit via any sort of app), and do you have screen view set to 'Desktop view' each time? The latter is critically important, and there is a teeny-tiny link at the very bottom of every page allowing you to switch back and forth. I do a fair bit of editing in on a tiny iPhone, and have never noticed source code not being shown. Avoid using any 'edit app' which will restrict your abilities, as will using 'Visual editor', of course. (There is a setting in 'Preferences' to "Show me both editor tabs". Having ensured those conditions are all met, should the issue continue, you might then need to give us some examples or WP:DIFFS to show where you are seeing full source code on a desktop, but not on a mobile. Hoping the helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok i tried desktop mode and it seems to work that way .

Good to hear we fixed it for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand how to request that these pages be translated into English

Hello, I'd like to ask the the below linked articles be translated from German into English but I don't understand that instructions on the wiki pages for requesting this.

https://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Franz_Beidler

https://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Franz_Wilhelm_Beidler

Once translated, I would think they would be linked to the pages on the family of Richard Wagner and descendants of Franz Liszt.

Thank you. 68.13.50.107 (talk) 05:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP, you may list them at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but know that very little requests are actually fulfilled there. Instead, a better way to see those translated would be do it yourself! As a volunteer project, Wikipedia needs all the help we can get, so if you are bilingual, we would really appreciate it if you used those abilities to improve our encyclopedic coverage. I suggest you to read Help:Your first article to understand how the process works, and come back here if you have any questions. Good luck! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello I editor, and welcome. In the meantime you can you an interlanguage link to link to a non-English Wikipedia page whilst there is not one on for it on en-wiki. So, for Franz Wilhelm Beidler, we would normally just have this red link. But Franz Wilhelm Beidler also shows a subscript 'blue link' to that non-English article. Hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Mugshot

Why is Mac Jones Wikipedia page using his mugshot as his main photo? That's disrespectful. 2600:1004:B040:A8D8:3FFB:C3F3:5572:3572 (talk) 00:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse I don't think it's a mugshot; the info with the photo says it was created by his university; the article about him does not mention any arrests or convictions for a crime. 331dot (talk) 01:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

IP editor, I see no evidence that the photo in Mac Jones is a mugshot. Can you explain? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I see no evidence either. --Bduke (talk) 01:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

File:Mac Jones One UA (cropped).jpg was taken from this UA video around the 1:35 mark. GoingBatty (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I was about to complain about copyright, but that seems to be in order. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

REGARDING SPEEDY DELETION

PLS HELP ME😭😭😭 Harshal Srinivasu (talk) 09:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Harshal Srinivasu Please tell us what it is that you want help with(and please do not use all capital letters, that is considered yelling). There is no need to be sad, this is just a website. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Harshal Srinivasu: Are you asking about the speedy deletion of Kathathmikaa and Harshal S? I found out about them by visiting your talk page. The messages left on your page contain detailed descrittions of the concerns about these pages, including a message from the reviewer who actually deleted said pages. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

JoemarCurammeng123 (Real Name: Joemar M. Curammeng)

JoemarCurammeng123 is a Phillipinian Gamer, Playing Games/Vlogs such as: Roblox (created account born: february 29,2020 (Last Year), and others he played with same names. They also called launguages of "Luxembourgish/Phillipinian Gamer" about his Story. [More Updates and Titles are Coming Soon!] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemarcurammeng123 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joemarcurammeng123: Welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about Wikipedia that we can help you with? GoingBatty (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Your attempt to create an article about yourself at Draft:Joemarcurammeng123 was deleted. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Advance ayurveda

advancement of ayurveda is right of ayurveda doctors. why not publish the definition of advanced ayurveda. Vdpankajjain (talk) 10:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Vdpankajjain Doctors or anyone have no rights to publish any topic on Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not merely post definitions; Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about a topic. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. Please review the advice left by reviewers, and also read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

practicing of ayurveda in India not quackery. Ayurveda medicine is being brought into the mainstream in India. You cannot call Ayurveda physician a quack. Vdpankajjain (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Vdpankajjain Please add additional comments to this section, instead of creating additional sections. As I said, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, including what those sources report as the views of various groups on Ayurveda. If those sources are not being reported accurately, please post on the article talk page detailing the errors. If those sources are being summarized accurately but you disagree with them, you will need to take that up with the sources or the groups like the Indian Medical Association that have those views, not us. 331dot (talk) 10:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has articles titled Ayurveda and Ministry of AYUSH. Consider improving those rather than trying to create a new article "Advanced Ayurveda", which has been declined as insufficient content and referencing. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Roofit Solar Energy draft re-submitted

Hello. My article Roofit Solar Energy was declined several days ago due to non-reliable sources. I had been waiting for it to be reviewed for 5 months and as it was declined, I edited all sources ad re-submitted it. Does this mean I have to wait again 5 months? I do not even know if this time it complies with all the rules. Can someone have a look at it and give me feedback? This is my first article here and I do care how it goes. Tea Mariamidze (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Tea Mariamidze Drafts are reviewed in no specific order by volunteer editors; it is not a queue. It could take five minutes, or 6 months. There is no way to know exactly, but the better your draft is, the more likely someone will review it. I will note that your draft just tells about the company and what it does. A Wikipedia article should do more, it should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia defintion of a notable company. Please review the definition carefully. 331dot (talk) 12:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Template for Statistics

Hi.Like there is a template {{adminstats}} for statistics of admins. Is there a similar template which non-admins can use? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Vhhhhjhgy. I usually use XTOOLS to see stats like that; see the link here]. --- Possibly (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes Possibly I know about xtools but is there a template which can be used on userpage? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 06:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, this isn't technically what you seem to be looking for (i.e. a selection of active counters), but I do find {{User toolbox}} to be a pretty solid substitute. It isn't interactive, but it does give you a comprehensive selection of links to more external tools and overview pages than the average editor could ever have a use for. AngryHarpy‍^talk 13:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

BMW M88 article 'talk' section

I want to mention in this article - https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/BMW_M88 that the no 2 ref link is dead, I went to the talk section but it seems to be locked out, why's that? Also I tried to delete the link, but then I get any error talking about a missing link for the reference. Not got time to look into how to do that today, hence I just wanted to mention the dead link in 'talk'. Markpd (talk) 10:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Markpd Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I see nothing that would prevent someone from posting to Talk:BMW M88. What message do you get when you attempt to do so? 331dot (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Markpd: In this edit, I added an |archive-url= to reference #2 so readers can see what the web page used to say. If you come across another dead link, you can use the Internet Archive Wayback Machine to try to find an archived version, or tag the reference with {{dead link}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Lost Memory of Skin

Hi, I was wondering when my recent article would be approved? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Lost_Memory_of_Skin Thanks I.edit.copy (talk) 11:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

As is, this article is unlikely to be published because:

1. The article does not establish notability because it has only three references, one of which is the novel itself and another text is authored by the novel's author. The remaining source is a podcast, which is probably also not independent enough.
2. The article is mostly just quoted from the author's writing and speaking, which is not suitable for Wikipedia content. Wikipedia articles should prefer secondary sources over primary ones.

Anton.bersh (talk) 11:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, your draft has not been submitted for review. Clicking on the blue rectangle will submit it. There is then a waiting period of potentially months until a Reviewer gets to it. I strongly recommend you not submit it yet. This needs to be modelled after other book articles. Given that several of Russell Banks' novels are already subjects of articles, start by modeling from those. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Creator has submitted Draft:Lost Memory of Skin. David notMD (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Verification

i magically got verified... how the awesome did that happen DA AWESOME BOI (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

what happens when you figure out the answer yourself before the people who could answer it answered it on a question DA AWESOME BOI (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• Hello @DA AWESOME BOI, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m sorry but the Teahouse is a place for you to ask questions about editing here, please is there a question you specifically want to ask? By getting verified what do you make reference to? Celestina007 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@DA AWESOME BOI: If you mean the user right called "autoconfirmed", that is added automatically by the software once your account has made a total of 10 edits and is over 4 days old. If you mean something else, please state more precisely what. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@DA AWESOME BOI: Ideally what would happen is that you post an update saying "never mind, I figured it out myself", which you kinda did, but even if you had worded it differently you may still have received follow-up replies. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) – (00:12 Tue 01, AEST) 14:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect Picture

Wrong Person's Picture Used

The Wikipedia page for Harry G. Stoddard (Harry G. Stoddard) has an incorrect image - it is not of Harry G. Stoddard, it is of George Booth. I wonder if the author could change this, or if I could upload a correct picture from the newspaper of which Harry Stoddard was the head (and I'm not sure how to do that). PaxtonPhil (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

PaxtonPhil Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles do not usually have a single author; this is a collaborative project. You will want to bring up this concern on the article talk page, Talk:Harry G. Stoddard, so the editors that follow that article can see it. Using an image from a newspaper would depend on how old it is as well as other copyright issues. 331dot (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

PaxtonPhil You use "we" on your user page, who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Not any more: special:diff/1026109514 :) --CiaPan (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Problem fixed. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Avigonesi

Draft: Avignonesi Hello! This is my first attempt to write an article and I nedd some help. The fist draft was deleted because the text apparently was too promotional. In this new draft I removed the parts that might have looked promotional, but I'm not sure it's encyclopedic enough. Could someone please help me? Dadesid (talk) 10:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Dadesid Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the information needed to submit your draft for a review; but I might wait a bit, as there are still some unsourced sections. Please understand that a Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources state about the winery, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. It shouldn't say what the winery wants to say about itself, only what others choose on their own to say about it. If you haven't already, please review Your First Article.

I see that you declared a conflict of interest; if you are employed by this winery in any capacity, you will need to make the stricter paid editing declaration. 331dot (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you 331dot, I will search for more reliable sources and update the article. I updated my paid editing declaration.Dadesid (talk) 13:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC) I took a look at the other articles in the category wineries of Italy and saw that they are not much different from mine though.Dadesid (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia freely admits that some of its articles currently do not meet all the required standards: they may date back to the project's early days when standards were more lax (and its all-volunteer editors haven't got around to improving them), or may have been created directly and escaped the attention of reviewers, so far.

Their existence does not, however, mean it should deliberately admit new articles that don't come up to scratch: the essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS explains more fully why this excuse isn't accepted.

Don't be discouraged. Creating a new article to an acceptable standard is difficult, and I myself haven't yet tried to do so in the 15+ years I've been editing here, but over 6 million articles show that it can be done. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 16:03, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Is this vandal also on Wikipedia?

Recently, many Uncyclomedia wikis, including Uncyclopedia, Illogicopedia, and others have been hit by a specific socking vandal (known from here on as Svex 88134kg, or Svex for short). They have created over 50 sockpuppets on Uncyclomedia wikis and caused significant disruption.

Svex seems to know how to redirect pages and use the {{Unblock}} template, so I'm assuming that they have experience with wikitext, possibly from experience vandalizing/editing Wikipedia. I'm trying to find any signs of this vandal on Wikipedia, along with any other IPs they use and ways to stop them.

Svex frequently uses open proxies, though their own IP geolocates to Ningbo. They speak broken English and creates pages of obscure stars. I've checked WP:LTA and found no clues. For more information, see their entry on UN:LSD, our version of LTA, or ask me or Casspedia on our talk pages.

I don't know exactly where to ask, so I'm putting this in the Teahouse. If there is a more appropriate place, feel free to move this conversation. Hipponias (talk) 13:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hipponias. As far as I can tell, it's a "no" for the English Wikipedia – at least not using any user name containing "Svex" to cause any widespread disruption. In order to come to that conclusion, I searched the archives of the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, and then widened the search to other locations. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Hipponias: I'm also probably a good person to ask, though of course I don't know everything, and it doesn't ring any bells for me. We do block a lot of proxies, and also have some extensive abuse filters, so they may not even get noticed, or get very far. If you have info on IP addresses, especially but not only their native ranges, then I may (or may not) know more. My talk page may be a good place for followup. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zzuuzz: I have sent Svex's IP to you via email. Hipponias (talk) 16:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

HELLO, KINDLY TREAT AS IMPORTANT

Hello Teahouse, I'm a new user and I need some advice. I want to make my first article directly to the main page for some very important reasons. First, I am under a deadline to get this page uploaded and it's a very important aspect of a branding project I'm a part of. Having this page for my big brother (He's a tech-preneur making things happen here in the sub-Sahara) will go a long way in his career and driving the economy of my country as it is a criterion for a contract he's bidding for. I have studied extensively how to put together an article that gets approved and I have written a detailed piece (according to guidelines) however I have no idea how to publish directly on the main page or if I can get my first article published immediately after posting. Kindly treat it as urgent thank you. Grey Matter Copy (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Grey Matter Copy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will be frank with you in that Wikipedia has no interest in or concern with any deadlines you might be under, projects you have been assigned, and has no interest in helping clients you might have. Our sole interest is in building this encyclopedia. Anything else is a side benefit. No one can "publish things to the main page" as that's not what it is for. If you mean that you want to add your article to the main encyclopedia, you will need to submit it for review using Articles for Creation, mostly because you have a conflict of interest. There is no way to do that quickly; a speedy review cannot be guaranteed and it will likely take months. If you were to add your article directly to the encyclopedia yourself, you run the risk of it being nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

331dot Thank you. I am positive about the legibility of my draft, but can you explain why you think it'll most likely be nominated for deletion or point me to any articles that would help guide against deletion. I'll really appreciate this. Grey Matter Copy (talk) 1:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

You will find advice at WP:Your first article, but you also need to read about WP:conflict of interest. Getting an article published is not a rapid process, and there is no deadline. You and your brother obviously have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia, and is not for promotion. As your purpose is to enable him to go a long way in his career and to assist him in the contract for which he is bidding, he may which to use another website to advertise his capabilities, but that is not the role of Wikipedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph Thank you, definitely not unclear about the purpose of Wikipedia. The page is supposed to exist to simplify the search for his personality when decision-makers need to. In my draft, I've made sure to not use any selsy words or promotional terms. Kindly help. Grey Matter Copy (talk) 1:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Grey Matter Copy No, you could not be more wrong about the purpose of Wikipedia. Please review the five pillars. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Given your clear intent to create an article that is "...a very important aspect of a branding project...", if you try to by-pass Articles for Creation despite your COI and instead create this in main space, it is unlikely that it would go to Articles for Deletion. Instead, it would be nominated for Speedy deletion, and unless you could then quickly make a valid argument for it to stay, would be deleted with days, perhaps hours, by an Administrator. I recommend you read Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, specifically G11, to understand why. David notMD (talk) 14:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

David notMDThis personality I want to create a page for does merit a page as he is a stakeholder & prominent businessman in my country but seeing that I have a COI due to my personal relationship with him can I share my draft and can you help go through and decide if it's worth it and probably publish it? Thank you. Grey Matter Copy

Use the process detailed at Articles for Creation. Your draft will not get preferential treatment here and will not be considered anymore important than any other draft awaiting review. Polyamorph (talk) 15:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Grey Matter Copy. Given what you've said, it's possible your brother is notable, as we use that term here, but it's also extremely likely you will create a highly promotional write-up, that will be declined, if not for other reasons, then for its lack of neutrality. I say that only based upon what we see so often from people who come here with your misunderstandings about Wikipedia's proper use. I hope saying that will help ward against the very prediction I am making.

Anyway, creating a proper Wikipedia article is not an easy task. As already indicated, it must be written in a scrupulously neutral manner. In additon to the prior link, please see WP:NOTPROMOTION, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch and Wikipedia:Wikipuffery.

All this just addresses neutrality. A draft article also must demonstrate the notability of the subject by citing to multiple reliable, secondary, independent sources that treat the topic in substantive detail. As very often when people read that they write articles citing sources but not of the correct type, please see Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability).

Please note also that you must write in your own words, using the rights types of sources, with the right depth of treatment to corroborate the information written, but now the words used, i.e., in proper paraphrase. Any article that uses content already written elsewhere (but for some rare exceptions) will be deleted as a copyright violation and plagiarism.

After taking that in, in order to create a draft article, please visit the Wikipedia:Article wizard. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah lads, seriously? Obvious troll is obvious. Don't be feedin'!. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bastun: Your post is quite inappropriate as extremely bitey, where you have no proper grounds for making it. Is it possible? Yes. Is it obvious based on the posts. Not at all. We get people here all the time who have come for promotional purposes with a profound misunderstanding of Wikipedia. There is no good foundation to determine the above is not in earnest.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Apologies. Remarks struck. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Grey Matter Copy: Based on what you wrote, I think you should publish your content to other places than Wikipedia. You could start (for free) with sites like LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, Medium (website). If you can afford spending $5-60/month, make a personal website with Squarespace or Wix.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton.bersh (talk • contribs) 17:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I have zero interest in working on your draft. You are allowed to create and submit a draft to AfC as long as you describe the nature of your COI on your User page. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

What is going on with this page and user?

What is going on with this page and user? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Murtaza_Ali

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Contributions/Akibmir88

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Log/Akibmir88 Skelly, a real skeleton 🦴 (talk to me!) 15:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Murtaza Ali moved (renamed) Murtaza Ali Khan. Akibmir88 indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing and edit warring. David notMD (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

My article 'Paruthumpara' got rejected

Hi all My article 'Paruthumpara' got rejected for some reason. Apparently the reason is that the article/subject is already exists. But I cant find any article in the same name under 'Paruthumpara". Paruthumpara is a place in Kottayam District of Kerala State in INDIA. There is another place called 'Parunthumpara' which is in a different district called IDUKKI. The spelling is very similar. Paruthumpara and ParuNthumpara. I strongly believe that the article about 'Parunthumpara' caused the misunderstanding that the article already exists. Actually they are two different places. Can some one guide me how to go ahead with my article 'Paruthumpara".

Thanks Ittymaathu (talk) 16:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The reviewer was perhaps confused. As you say, the article Paruthumpara does not exist, and as far as I can see it never has existed. The reviewer has subsequently been banned, so we can't effectively question him about it, so I've reverted his review, and your draft has gone back to awaiting review so another reviewer can look at it. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hence, Draft:Paruthumpara. Much of the content is not referenced. David notMD (talk) 17:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Image

There is an image used in an article that presents information without sources, is this image, in which most of the countries in green under the label "Countries and dependencies with views of private businesses only", all this information has no source, apparently for some time, people added countries without taking into account reliable sources, I would like to remove this information as it has no sources, but I do not know how to edit the image. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 14:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi JSeb05, I believe you would have to go to the Commons page to edit it instead, but the information is based on Google Street View and Coverage of Google Street View, which have a fair amount of sourcing and reliability. Since the SVG file is recommended to be edited in a text editor over an illustrator, then you will also need to understand SVG coding. Hope this helped.

Side recommendation; I would wait until whatever is going on at the coverage article calms down until you tamper with the files anymore. This is really late, and I'm sorry! Sennecaster (What now?) 17:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I have a question regarding a biographical submission

I have add a half dozen media links to a piece I submitted after it was rejected, but I can't tell if it is up for review again. The living subject is Majid Bahrami. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Majid_Bahrami

Any help would be appreciated. Randalldshore (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Randalldshore. You added some references on 1 April, but you didn't pick the button labelled "Resubmit", so it hasn't yet been resubmitted for review. --ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Corrections to spelling of my name

I tried to fix the misspelling of my name on an entry and it was undone because it wasn’t constructive? 74.111.98.157 (talk) 20:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem is that at Marjorie O'Connell, four of the references are to your website, but nowhere in the content of your website does it give your name!!! If you fix that, the reference changes should hold. David notMD (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

How do you add a photo to a page?

 Gravitas85 (talk) 21:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gravitas85: You can use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, and then add the filename to the |image= parameter of the article's infobox. GoingBatty (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Have a cup of tea and enjoy seeing Commons images on Wikipedia

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Gravitas85. I am assuming you have already found an image image you want to use on Wikimedia Commons? If not, go to this main page and type a keyword in the search box (it's at the top right in desktop view). If you find an image you like, but it's not quite the right one, you could click one or more of the "Categories" listed at the very bottom of the page. This helps keep related images together and helps you find others.

It could be like this one of a cup of tea that you want to use. Using an existing one is easier that a brand new image of your own that you would first have to upload from scratch. So, click on the link in the previous sentence, or click the photograph you see here - you're taken to the same place - and look just above the picture, and beneath the filename where you'll see a line of five small links. Look for the link with the tiny Wikipedia 'W' logo and the words "Use this file". Click that link and select the text offered to "Use this file on a Wiki as a Thumbnail". (The convention is always to add an image as a thumbnail, no matter how much you'd love to make it larger.) Copy the link to your clipboard and then go to the Wikipedia page you want to add it to (let's assume we want to add it to the page we're on now). Edit the page (ie click the tab labelled Edit Source). Scroll down to the section you'd like to add it to, and paste in the text you copied at the very top of that section. By default, this adds the thumbnail picture and its caption on the right hand side of the page, as you see here. To change the caption text, just edit the text to the right of the vertical bar - or 'pipe'. Don't change the filename.jpg text itself or the image link will be broken. There are some useful links on this help page: Wikipedia:Images with further guidance and tweaks, or detailed layout possibilities at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial.

Of course, if you are using the alternative Visual Editor (which is a bit more WYSIWYG), the process is slightly different. You once again navigate to the section where the image is needed, then, in the editing toolbar, click Insert > Media. At the search bar in the popup that then appears, type the keyword to search for certain image types, or just type in the filename of your image you've already chosen from Wikimedia Commons. Select the image and then click 'Use this image'. Before inserting it you'll be prompted to add a caption. Captions can include hyperlinks, but that's probably best left for another time. I hope this helps.

If you need advice on actually uploading your own image first, that requires a slightly different answer and a mention of copyright issues. Let us know if you need further help on that. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Trouble Uploading Screenshots For Reliable Source

I'm trying to add screenshots of a YouTube comment thread as a reliable source for an entry to the List of phobias (liomenoprosopophobia), but Wikipedia isn't letting me upload them because it can't detect whether they're suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Would quoting the comments be good enough for them to be RS, or is there another way to upload?

I also have another source from a Twitter thread of someone talking about the same phobia. LoveYouForever96 (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LoveYouForever96, and welcome to the Teahouse. While some YouTube videos are regarded as reliable sources (those posted on the official channel of a reliable source such as a major newspaper), I can't imagine any context in which a comment thread could be one, since it would certainly be USERGEN. Ditto most Tweets. Furthermore, uploading a screenshot from YouTube (or Twitter) would almost certainly be a copyright infringement. It is never required (and usually inappropriate) to upload copies of sources, because if they haven't been reliably published (and so in principle available to any reader, though it isn't necessarily easy to access all such) then they cannot be used. --ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the info, ColinFine! Is there any other way to find a reliable source for the phobia's existence? It's a pretty rare one, I think, and it didn't have a name until I coined it a few months ago, so part of me thinks it might be too early to add it to the page until there's some substantial sources on it.

@LoveYouForever96: That sounds rather like a WP:NEOLOGISM. There's no place for a 'medical term' that you or your mum have just invented unless it's covered properly by medical sources at the very least. I assume it has not, since you don't know where to find sources. Thus, it's not something we'd want to see here in this encyclopaedia. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Second Opinion

Hello hosts, what's an appropriate forum to request a second opinion on a declined draft? TheSokks_(talk) 05:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello TheSokks. Drafts are not accepted or declined according to a reviewers opinion, but according to a set of criteria. Therefore there is normally no case for obtaining a second "opinion". What you would need to do is address the reasons for declining the draft. However, if you provide a link to the relevant draft here it is quite likely that someone else will take a look at it for you.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 06:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Shantavira, I think this case may have been the reviewer’s opinion. The draft page is deleted now (per my request if I may add) and the comment left on the draft was This source used in the article implies WP:TOOSOON and ELOY Awards doesn’t meet #1 of WP:ANYBIO. But other sources used include [8][9] [10] [11][12] [13] [14] Which are independent of the subject, reliable and non trivial. TheSokks_(talk) 08:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

If you want to create an article about Erica Nlewedim then submit a draft to AfC and you will get a different reviewer. Many drafts have been Declined more than once before being adequately revised, and then accepted. Declined is not the same as Rejected, which is when the reviewer decided that there was no potential for success. P.S. Teahouse Hosts are not reviewers (well, most are not). David notMD (talk) 11:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

For record sake, i am the declining editor and for very pertinent reason I wouldn’t accept the article into mainspace, chiefly because this article revolves around WP:1E, I beseech Teahouse hosts who have AFC rights not to accept the article(if ever created by this very user). I would personally proceed and request the titles “Draft:Erica Nlewedim” and “Erica Nlewedim” be Admin access only salted. This I shall do after I’m done with my knee surgery scheduled for tomorrow. Let the record also reflect that i have accepted decent article created by this user, for example see here and here. Whilst not divulging much, I should state expressly that this very editor in question ought to create the article in a peculiar manner in which they have failed to do.Celestina007 (talk) 18:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Wishing you speedy recovery. Your rationale for declining was TOOSOON now you say 1E despite the RS where the subject is discussed outside the context of the one event. Godspeed. TheSokks_(talk) 19:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

On another note, I know WP:OTHERSTUFF is an arguement to avoid but the other Nollywood beauties to look out for in 2021 listed here including Idia Aisien, Sophie Alakija, Ini Dima-Okojie and Omowumi Dada should not have stand alone articles per your rationale which is a wrong application of TOOSOON in any case. TheSokks_(talk) 19:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, WP:1E and TOOSOON are Semantics and both reference the non notability of a subject at the given time. Back to my comments without divulging any highly classified information, i believe it is in your best interest to refrain from creating that article but add it to WP:RA. Celestina007 (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Why? TheSokks_(talk) 22:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, “why” you ask? the answer to that question would be given to you if you attempt to create that article again. I won’t comment on this again, but you are more than welcome to try and recreate it and see how that plays out. Celestina007 (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy recovery! TheSokks_(talk) 23:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, thanks, you are far too kind. Celestina007 (talk) 23:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox Ref

Hi, how can I add references to the infobox? TheSokks_(talk) 01:09, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @TheSokks:, and welcome to the Teahouse. You know how there’s a source editor and a visual editor? Switch to the source editor, and you’ll see the source code for the infobox. There’s a little toolbar which has a button labelled “cite your sources”. If you put your cursor where you want the reference to be and click this button, a nifty little piece of code will pop up. Then just paste the URL of the source. Easy as pie. Kind regards, 🐍Helen🐍 01:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

This has been the most helpful! Thank you! TheSokks_(talk) 01:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Article rejected for no specific reasons.

No Specific Issues Quick question about an article that was posted earlier today and subsequently rejected. I disclosed my connection to the subject and while the editor who rejected the article left a generic comment that, because of my connection, I *may* not be able to write objectively about the subject, but there were no specific items in the article cited as promotional or otherwise biased.

Here's a link to the draft: Draft:QOMPLX

Thing is, I was brought into the project specifically to provide the company with an outside view and to outline the importance of objectivity, not to write a promotional article. It is difficult for me to correct any errors or biases when there are none identified. All the citations are from objective third party sources (I had to cull a lot of things that were given to me because they were press releases or links to partner statements and not objective).

To be clear, I fully expected that there would likely be changes required, and I communicated that with the company. I am not surprised at the outcome, only that I have not been given items to correct.

Is it possible for a review and to highlight any items that do not meet the objectivity standard, point out things that are missing, or otherwise give me information so that I can improve the article? Thanks MikeSpinney22 (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC) Mike--MikeSpinney22 (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@MikeSpinney22: A few minutes after you posted this, Theroadislong added specific feedback to Draft:QOMPLX. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

MikeSpinney22 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'v fixed your link. You and perhaps your client have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. It is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves and what they consider to be their own history(either directly or through a representative). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and a Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia has no interest in what a company wants to say about itself, only in what others completely unconnected choose to say about it. The company website, staff interviews, announcements of routine business activities such as purchasing a competitor, brief mentions, and other primary sources do not establish notability. We are interested in what unconnected sources have decided to write about the company, such as describing its influence on its industry- not what the company says is its influence. Please see Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@MikeSpinney22:, hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry your article was declined. I looked through the reason that it happened, and it has mostly to do with the notability of the company you're writing about. Articles have to have significant coverage from reliable third-party sources (sources not affiliated with your company) in order to be considered notable. I suggest reading Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view for more information about this. Kind regards, 🐍Helen🐍 21:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

As a general rule, is it regarded by Wikipedians as impossible for an article that is written by a disclosed contractor to be considered objective? I'm not disputing your assessment(s), merely wondering if I might be in a position to make improvements that would eventually pass muster. The reason I agreed to work with the company on this project--after initially suggesting that they would likely not be regarded as noteworthy enough--was that I found other examples of companies in a similar industry niche that do have pages. This particular company, for example, would qualify for inclusion on the Wikipedia "Unicorns" list of startups valued over $1B, they are only the second cybersecurity company to merge with a SPAC for the purpose of going public, they've done breakthrough research in identifying cybersecurity vulnerabilities associated with the SolarWinds attack (perhaps what they have not done is invested in a decent PR firm that could have gotten them credible coverage of some of these things!).MikeSpinney22 (talk) 21:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@MikeSpinney22: It's not impossible, but it's very hard. Usually a company representative has a difficult time writing based only on what others say about their company- usually because their goals in doing so are fundamentally different from the goals of Wikipedia. Sources put out by a PR firm either directly or indirectly would not establish notability.

Please read other stuff exists. As this is primarily a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to go undetected, even for years. We can only address what we know about. Standards have as also changed over time so that what was once acceptable is no longer. If you are interested in helping out, you are welcome to help identify other inappropriate articles for action. 331dot (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@MikeSpinney22: I have the draft a trim to a more encyclopedic version. However, it is evident that the article contains very few reliable sources. Without those it will not be published. --- Possibly (talk) 05:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with content update - bio of living person - COI

Hello Editors

A little while ago I placed a request for editing assistance on the Talk page of this article: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Ian_Jacobs_(oncologist)

I've not received a response and wonder if someone in the Teahouse may be able to assist me?

I would greatly appreciate advice about how I might submit for consideration relevant updates to this article. I would prefer not to update the article myself as this would not be in the spirit of Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidance.

Many thanks Corde2020 talk 06:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

See WP:EDITREQ Meters (talk) 06:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Corde2020. Thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest. Please make a formal edit request on the article talk page following those instructions carefully. Discussion of the university's ten year strategy may be more appropriate for the article about the university. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Cullen328. Thanks so much for your speedy advice. :-) I shall make the formal edit request via the article's Talk page. Thanks for the edit request link, too.

Kind regards, Corde2020 talk 07:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Happy to help, Corde2020. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Darveshpur Shikarpur Bulandshahr Uttar Pradesh

create my articles page Derveshpur2021 (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Derveshpur2021, I don't understand what you are saying. What is your "articles page"? And is this meant as a command? Perhaps you were talking about what was previously the content of your user page. However well-intentioned, this was an improper use of a user page; and I have therefore moved the content to User:Derveshpur2021/sandbox2. You are free to develop the material in that sandbox. (You can use User:Derveshpur2021, your user page, for describing your activities on Wikipedia.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Where to place inline citation with an Infobox

Hello everyone. I have just edited the Infobox for Pinkhill railway station. Previously, there was a citation to a bare URL, leading to a 404 page, against the first entry under "Key Dates". I have now cited a valid up-to-date reference. So far so good. However, the citation really applies to all five of the key dates, not just the first. I thought it would look odd to include the same citation five times on consecutive lines, so I thought I would just place it against the "Key Dates" sub-heading. But I can't see how to do that. Is there a way to do add a reference to a heading within an Infobox? Or should I place it against all five dates? Or doesn't it really matter. Thanks in advance. Mike Marchmont (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I checked Template:Infobox station and I can't see a way to achieve what you want. I agree it is a bit silly to quote the same reference on each row of the dates. Why not leave the citation out of the Infobox and place it in the main text in the history section, Mike Marchmont? Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, Michael D. Turnbull. It makes perfect sense. I've now taken your advice and moved the citation to the body of the article. I should have thought of that in the first place. Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Kenneth Mayhew

Hi Team, Ken died on 13th May and not 14th May as listed. How do I get this changed please? Many thanks, Adam Battlefield Guide (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Would you be able to find a source that states the date of death? If so, I'll gladly correct the article for you or you could do it yourself. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:27, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Battlefield Guide (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would bring this up on the article talk page, Talk:Kenneth Mayhew. I looked at the source given for the death, and it is a Dutch obituary on him published on the 14th, but it doesn't give a date of death itself from what I can tell. If you have a source for the 13th, please offer it. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh and 331dot: There's this article published on 14 May, saying he "passed away yesterday". Kleinpecan (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I see, thanks for finding this source. I think the article contributor just read source 24 which was published on May 14 and did not specify the date and assumed the article publication date to be the person's death date. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:42, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Battlefield Guide: I have fixed it. Kleinpecan (talk) 08:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Unjust accusation of copyright violation

Most of an article which I created has been removed on the grounds of copyright violation. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Physics_of_Optical_Holography. The section which has been removed has been copied directly from Holography and I wrote most of it in 2011.

The reason for doing this was that the Holography article has been criticised for being too technical. I decided to create a separate article (as above) to describe the more technical aspects of holography, so I copied these from the main article into this one, and thena added some more technical detail. This is all explained on the article's talk page.

The article which is supposed to have the copyright violated is dated 2017, and even includes a photograph which I submitted in 2011. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Broken_hologram.jpg

This is a gross injustice. How can I have this corrected? Epzcaw (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Epzcaw. This is probably more of a "misunderstanding" than a "gross injustice"; so, perhaps toning the rhetoric down a bit might be helpful. It's perfectly OK to copy content from one Wikipedia article and add it to another, but in needs to be done in accordance with Wikipedia's licensing requirements as explained here. Please try to understand that a Wikipedia article can be pretty much edited by anyone at anytime, which means the version of the "Holography" article that you created back in 2011 might have been improved upon or otherwise edited by others over the years; so, proper attribution needs to be given to those editors. You sort of provided such attribution on the draft's talk page back when you started the draft in October 2020, but the post was unsigned and it was a bit ambiguous; so, it's quite possible that the person who reviewed the draft and "saw" the copyvio just missed it and assumed the worst. The content seems to have shown up on some other website other than Wikipedia (most likely without proper attribution to Wikipedia), which would actually be a copyvio, and the reviewer probably mistakenly assumed that's where the content originated. If you'd look at the draft's edit history, you'll see that another editor actually restored the removed content and clarified where it came from in their edit summary. Anyway, you've now blanked the draft which is the equivalent of asking that it be deleted per WP:G7; maybe you did just out of frustration, but the "copyvio" accusation could've most likely been sorted out through discussion. Being frustrated is understandable, but blanking the draft seems a bit rash, especially if you think that a WP:SPLIT from the "Holigraphy" article was warranted. As for the issues with the "Holigraphy" article, I don't know enough about the subject matter to try and rewrite it; since you do, however, perhaps trying to rewrite it per WP:TONE and WP:JARGON will make the article more understandable for the general reader. You don't necessarily need to create a new article if you can address the concerns raised about an existing article through copyediting or in other ways. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly Thanks for this. I'm certainly frustrated, and I think I need to take some time out from Wikipedia. I've always been scrupulously careful to give credit where it's due in my working life and in Wikipedia, and it is upsetting to find oneself accused of stealing one's own work in big headlines. I've had a discussion on the Wikipedia-en-help page which resulted in the re-instatement of the deleted text, but the large upfront "Copyright Violation" notice remains and apparently cannot be removed, so I don't see how any reviewer would bother with such an article when there is a 5-month backlog of articles waiting to be reviewed so it's better to delete it. Of course, anyone who wants to can undelete it and work on it but not me. I've also copied it into my Sandbox page, so I might start again sometime under a new heading with appropriate attribution.

I accept that I did the attribution of copying the material in the wrong place though I'm not clear, even after reading the article above, how I could have referenced the material after it had been deleted from the Holography article.

As far as the Holography and my draft are concerned, I believe there is a place on Wikipedia for a detailed discussion of the Physics of Holography which I've put together with appropriate referencing, but that this needs to be separate from the Holography page which will be read by people who do not want to trawl through lots of equations (which I put in originally). Without these sections, I believe the article will be more readable for the general public. The comment about the article being "too technical" has been there since 2017, but no-one else has tackled it.

Yes, the article I was supposed to have copyright-violated has actually reproduced without attribution a photo I added to Wikimedia in 2011, as well as presumably much of the text of the Holography article. Hey ho. Epzcaw (talk) 11:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Epzcaw: The draft currently has no content; so, if it remains that way, it will be deleted either per WP:G7 (as explained above) or per WP:G13. If you want to stop that from happening, you should restore the content.

For reference, Wikipedia’s policy on using copyrighted content applies to all Wikipedia pages; so, please make sure you properly attribute the content it your user sandbox because it’s otherwise at risk for being mistaken as a copyvio and being deleted.

The way you attributed the draft was OK, but a bit ambiguous and the reviewer either didn’t notice or misunderstood it. That probably happens quite a bit but it’s usually just a misunderstanding. Try looking at WP:PATT and WP:RIA since you can probably restore the content and attribute it in a single edit.

The comment about the draft being a copyvio was left by an AFC reviewer in good faith. You’ll see that another editor also left a comment explaining what happened for future AFC reviewers. These comments are just for the benefit of AFC reviewers and will be removed if the article is eventually accepted. The original AFC reviewer is probably off-line at the moment, but perhaps they will respond to the post on their user talk page once they log in again. People sometimes get WP:BUSY and make not immediately respond to a post; so, please be patient.

I don’t know anything about the subject matter, but try and remember WP:NOT because any article you try to create is still going to need to comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I undertand that people make errors - even me! Yes, the content was re-instated because I brought it to someone's attention, but my issue is that the draft article is forever labelled as "Copyright Violation" and so will never be reviewed for publication - so it's pointless having it there.

All the content is in my Sandbox page, and I will stick attributions in as many places as I can find to try to avoid this happening again. Anyone else is then free to take the content from my sandbox and use it (with appropriate attribution of course).

But thank you for your comments - I know you are trying to help. Epzcaw (talk) 13:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

​ I don’t think it's necessarily true that the draft will never be reviewed because someone mistakenly marked it as a copyvio, but you can find out yourself by asking at WP:AFCHELP. For reference, copyright violations are usually revision deleted so that they are no longer publicly visible even from the page's history. I asked an administrator who does lots of checking of copyvio about the draft, and she didn't revision delete any of the content. So, I'm assuming it's going to be OK as long as it's properly attributed. Moreover, the AFC reviewer can always WP:REDACT their comment if they want and they might do just that once they are informed of the actual state of things. From looking at the draft, it appears that the content has actually been restored by that particular AFC reviewer with an edit summary explaining why. I can't say whether the draft will ultimately be accepted because I don't know much about the subject matter, but you should be able to submit it for another review without worrying about the "copyvio" comment any more. As for any concerns that the wording might be too technical, you can always seek input from the members of WP:PHYSICS or WP:FOTO about the draft or the "Holography" article because that's where you're likely to find editors with experience dealing with these types of articles. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: The original reviewer who added the "Copyright Violation" comment has now removed it. They made an error and have acknowledged it, so all is well.

I believe that this is the best way to address the "too technical" comment, but of course understand that others may disagree. If the article is turned down, I will more than likely dispute it, but if I lose the argument, I will accept it, as that it how Wikipedia works.

But again, thanks for your input.Epzcaw (talk) 09:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Add pictures of newspaper and magazine cutting as reference

Hi - I have to further edit an article by adding reliable sources that has featured in print media (newspaper cutting and magazine articles) which are not available on web / online. How to go about it? Please help. AmazingVoiceovers (talk) 09:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AmazingVoiceovers, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is not required, and almost never appropriate, to upload a cutting from a newspaper. As long as the source was reliably published, then citing it consists in providing the information which a reader would require to access it, eg from a major library: title, author (if named), date, publication, page number. A URL is a convenience for the readerr, not usually an essential part of the citation. See REFB. --ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Sources do not need to be online, so long as there is enough information to allow the source to be traced. You can use templates like {{cite news}} and {{cite magazine}} and fill in relevant information such as the publication title and date. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Getting a politician's infobox to read "In Office" rather than "Assuming Office"

I'm trying to update the page for Mathias Cormann, who became the Director General of the OECD today. I've added his predecessor, but can't figure out how to get the infobox to begin with "In Office" rather than "Assuming Office" (i.e. I need to change it from future tense to present tense). I've also updated the infobox of his predecessor, to add his retirement date (yesterday), and I just don't see the difference between the two, that would yield this different presentation. Somebody hit me with the clue-bat, please? Bill Woodcock (talk) 07:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Finally found the answer. This | succeeding = [[José Ángel Gurría]] was lurking at the bottom of the template code. It overrides the successor field and the date calculations. Now I'm going to have a rant. For such a widely used template as that, the documentation is really bad and needs a major overhaul to explain what the fields actually do and what interacts with what. - X201 (talk) 10:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it sure had me stumped! Thanks so much for digging into it and figuring the problem out. Bill Woodcock (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I need a step-by-step editing guide

I am really confused. I do not know to write an article here, and I'm confused. I need help, please. Imdofficial69 (talk) 10:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Imdofficial69, Please take a look at the tutorial- Help:Introduction. Help:Your first article may also be helpful for you. It will be better if you go through the key policies by reading this page- WP:POLICYLIST before creating an article. These are advice on a good starting on Wikipedia. Gradually, while editing, you will also come to know about many other WP policies, guidelines and terminologies. — A.A Prinon  ^{Leave a dialogue} 10:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

This might be useful: Help:Your first article. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Imdofficial69:(edit conflict) I have left a welcome message at your user talk page. Please be advised that sucessfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks one can start on Wikipedia. That being said, you can follow these steps:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the Teahouse or the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I have a pdf photo of the Purdue Pharmacy HQ building. How can it be attached to the Purdue Pharma article?

I have a pdf photo of the Purdue Pharmacy HQ building; How can it be attached to the Purdue Pharma article? I will be happy to send it to someone who can add the pdf, but I do not have the time nor computer ability to learn how to edit. My interest is only a result from the documentary called "The Crime of the Century" 47.185.105.108 (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. If it's a pdf, it sounds like it's not your photograph, and therefore you have no right to upload it to Wikimedia/Wikipedia. We don't 'attach' images to articles either, so I don't feel this is something you're going to succeed with unless you have one you've personally taken. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Nick: TY. Yes, I snapped it off of a CNN news show back in Sep 2019 with my tablet. The art work indicates a heroin addict cook spoon with black tar heroin in the spoon. I thought it would be cool to have it on the Purdue Pharma article since the "Crime of the Century" was just on HBO. L -o-

Just like Rock always breaks Scissors, preventing copyright infringement always overrides coolness. David notMD (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

That one is going on my userpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

In case it's not clear from the jokey replies above: no, if you snapped it off a broadcast then it's CNN's copyright, not yours, and you may not upload it. Sorry. Unfortunately copyright is difficult, and is the reason that so many Wikipedia articles do not have illustrations. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP 47.185.105.108. Just going to add that whatever was shown on CNN might not even have originated at CNN; in other words, CNN could simply be showing someone else’s copyrighted work. Lots of content you find online or see on TV is probably being used or shown under a claim of fair use. If, for example, the footage was of a piece of art, then there might be two copyrights involved, one for the footage and one for the artwork, and both need to be taken into account. In either case, the screenshot you took doesn’t equate to a transfer of copyright to you as explained here and here. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I want to create a new page but a redirection is in the way

I want to create a new page for Samsung Electronics in the Czech language. Unfortunately the keyword Samsung Electronics is redirected to Samsung. Therefore the Samsung Electronic is not red and I cannot create a new page for it. Can anyone help how to proceed, please? Testestos (talk) 12:05, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

You have already asked about this at the Help Desk. I'll answer there. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Help

I've encountered this message on some blocked user for some reasons and I'm confused whether there was a conflict-of-interest happened while creating their draft about their page/someone (if CSD G11'd). Note that I've speedy deleted their draft because it was used for promotion. The message from the blocked user is:

Christian here from G5 Daily News. We created the page yesterday and it has been blocked.

Can you please advise why and maybe some insights on how to improve?

Thanks,

G5 Daily News

I'm still not sure if there was a COI happened or just for promotion? Thanks. Lunar Eclipse_{Blood Moon} 13:24, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

If the user wishes to request an unblock, the block notice on the user talk page tells him/her how to do it. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

'Reply to' etiquette - positioning of template within message

Hello Teahouse Helpers,

I always seem to have trouble with replying or pinging other WP users - despite reading the Help page. Just now I had this exchange:

I was only trying to help, but it seems barely worth this level of to-and-fro. Best wishes to you, [reply to: template removed]: [my sig removed] 10:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, FYI, use {{tl|reply to}} at the start of the reply, or use {{tl|u}} as you have used {{reply to}}. Happy editing! [Editor's sig removed] 10:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. [My sig removed) 10:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Must say I was surprised: Of all my many, many mistakes I have committed, this was not one I had thought of! I was a bit snippy, so probably got what I deserved! Is it really important - or perhaps etiquette - that the reply to template goes at the beginning? What's this {{tl|u}} template? Am I allowed to use that in the course of a reply, not necessarily at the start of it? This reply thing-y is as clear as mud to me; though I've manage to pick up a few formatting, and other, tricks, this one eludes me. Any advice appreciated. 49.177.30.125 (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! For information on how to use the templates, see Template:Reply to or Template:User link (abbreviated "u"). {{tl|u}} is a demonstration of Template:Template link (abbreviated "tl") which makes a template link stand out in a discussion, like this: {{u}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Meh, it's just a minor formatting quibble about the punctuation. "@Soandso: My opinion is suchandsuch" or "My opinion is suchandsuch, Soandso" rather than "My opinion is suchandsuch, @Soandso:" ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) – (23:51 Tue 01, AEST) 13:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible to un-submit a draft for review?

I genuinely don't know if this is actually possible, I haven't found anything by googling or any other way.

Would the draft get "un-submitted" automatically if gets rejected? Can I "un-submit" it myself? CordiBordi (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@CordiBordi: Please only seek assistance in one place at a time, to prevent wasting everyone's time. You have replies at the Help desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@CordiBordi: for the first one, yes, second one, I don't know! It's a good question. Sennecaster (What now?) 15:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Einsteinium the last element to have a compound?

It doesn't seem that Fermium has a compound but Einsteinium's page doesn't say anything about it being the last one to have one. Is it? UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC) UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like a question for Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh Ill go there then. Thanks! UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Blacephalon. If a reliable source says that Es is the last element to have a compound, then the article Einsteinium could say so, citing that source (and probably a date!). If no such source exists, then the article must not make that claim, even if it happens to be true, as that would be original research. This applies to most claims of superlatives ("the biggest/oldest/tallest/newest"). --ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

So is Es the last element to have a compound or does Fm have one now? And isn't it logic that its the last one? UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Again, this question is not appropriate for this board, and should be asked on the Reference Desk. It's also not clear what you mean by "last" (most recently discovered? Highest atomic number?) In any case, our article on Fermium has a section called Chemistry which may answer your question about compounds of fermium. CodeTalker (talk) 22:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I mean what is the furthest element on the periodi table that has a compound. We know Cf does, and we know Es does, but does Fm? And nobody getting back to me on the science portal... UB Blacephalon (talk) 22:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The article section linked by CodeTalker above includes the explicit sentence "In the precipitate, the compound fermium(II) chloride (FmCl2) was produced." The preceding text of the section also indicates to anyone who understands chemistry terminology that Fermium forms various compounds. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Now answered at WP:Reference desk/Science#Einsteinium the last element to have a compound?. The short answer is "no". Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I read the whole thing and did not see that sentence. I guess it was mixed in with all the "Could form" and "should form". UB Blacephalon (talk) 15:28, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about References

Good afternoon. Thank you for accepting me in the wikipedia community. I was writing my user page in order to practice) The most challengin part until now was to create correct references. The text I was writing is in English but one of the reference websites was provided exclusively in the Greek language. In this case is it correct in an English text to refer a foreign language website. In general, where I can find a guide for references and citations. I don't want to do any mistake. Is there any fellow editor who can correct and guide me in case I do a mistake? Antonis Theofanous (talk) 13:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antonis Theofanous: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try reading Help:Referencing for beginners, and check out the links in the "See also" section that correspond to how you are creating references. You may use references in a foreign language on the English Wikipedia (and adding a |trans-title= in English is helpful). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:User pages for what can and cannot be on a User page. It is NOT for referenced, article-like content about you. Look at other editors' User pages to get a better idea. If you want to practice stuff, use your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thank I already started reading it.

Hi Antonis Theofanous. Because your userpage was being used for this content, it was likely to be tagged for deletion and deleted at that location (under CSD U5). To avoid that result, I have taken the liberty of moving the page to the following location: User:Antonis Theofanous/sandbox, where practicing will be okay. This also frees up your userpage, now a red link, for re-creation with content more suited for that location (or not; you don't have to have a userpage). Although subpages for use as sandboxes can be created at any title in your userspace (i.e., your exact username + a forward slash + some title), the title I've moved it to you should see linked at the top of the interface, under the name "Sandbox". Regarding your original question, in addition to the advice above, please see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources (WP:NONENG) for the policy allowing use of non-English sources. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: What I should write on my user-page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonis Theofanous (talk • contribs) 14:09, June 1, 2021 (UTC)

@Antonis Theofanous: For the subsections of the guideline Wikipedia:User pages (linked above by David notMD) addressing proper and improper content for userpages, see WP:UPYES, and WP:UPNO. You might also look at a bunch of different users' userpages to get some ideas. Please note that I did not get your ping. Pings only work if you sign your post and save that signed post in the same edit that you include the linked mention of the other user. See also Help:Fixing failed pings. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello everyone, thanks for this valuable topic. I rather have the following question for GoingBatty since it was mentioned about |trans-title=. Could you provide an example how would it look like? I have no idea where to put it technically. Have the same issue with multiple language sources. Thanks!

Unknown parameter in infobox template

I added a newly-declared state mushroom for Texas to the List_of_U.S._state_mushrooms page and then tried to add this mushroom to the infobox on the page for Texas. I received this warning:

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox U.S. state symbols with unknown parameter "Mushroom" (this message is shown only in preview).

I then attempted to add "Mushroom" as a parameter on the Template:Infobox U.S. state symbols page, copying the existing "Mammal" parameter. It now shows up in the source for that page, but is not displayed in the infobox on that Template page and the parameter and value are not displayed on the Massachusetts page.

Help, please? Sunflower Farmer (talk) 23:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sunflower Farmer: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. :) I know exactly what’s going on. If I were adding an infobox to, say, Robin Williams, I would be able to add in things such as his height, weight, and nationality. That’s because those parameters (as those bits of information are called) are part of the programming for the infobox. But if I added the parameter “biggest fan”, the unknown parameter message would pop up. The infobox does not recognise the “mushroom” part you put in because it’s not programmed to recognise it. If you would like to add in the state mushroom, I would recommend adding it somewhere in the main part of the article. I hope I’ve been of help to you. Kind regards, 🐍Helen🐍 00:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Sunflower Farmer: You've edited the documentation of the template instead of the template itself. The documentation (Template:Infobox U.S. state symbols/doc) is a separate page that describes how the template works, which is then displayed on the template page Template:Infobox U.S. state symbols. I don't edit templates myself, but I'm in contact with people that do, and hopefully we can get that parameter added in soon (I'll notify you when). ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I think I have successfully made the changes.  --Lambiam 09:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, User talk:Lambiam! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunflower Farmer (talk • contribs) 16:04, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

My first citation. Is it correct?

Dear friends. I did my first citation. Can you please tell me if I did everything correctly. It is in the following article the 10th citation about Romania https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Directors_and_officers_liability_insurance In case I do a mistake you will inform me? Antonis Theofanous (talk) 14:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Antonis Theofanous. You did it correctly! Good work. I have made one change in this edit, to add the date of the source article and the name of its author. These are essential identification details that make the citation more transparent for our readers. Wikipedia:Citing sources#What information to include might be helpful on this issue. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Fuhghettaboutit. I hope that I am not annoying) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonis Theofanous (talk • contribs) 16:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Immediate help for new startup

Hi wikipedians! I , due to being ignorant from Wikipedia rules, created another account and used them interchangeably. They both were hence labeled as sock pockets and blocked. Now I want to return to Wikipedia community, because I never wanted to breach Wikipedia rules otherwise I would never create another account. Kindly can someone help me in this matter? I created this account will it also be labeled as sock pocket? I don't use previous accounts now which are blocked Meluhacentrist (talk) 15:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Meluhacentrist. Please disclose your previous accounts. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Meluhacentrist / Harrapocentrist / Aglrochisat. Since you will not be able to respond to this post by the account above, I am advising you that no response is expected by me to this post. In fact, I will say prophylactically: DO NOT respond to this (or any other post here), using any other account (or by any IP address), or at all. (Doing so will simply deepen the evidence of a sockpuppetry problem that your block is based upon.)

With that out of the way, I can only think of one way forward, that could possibly be effective. Using your original account, and at the talk page of that account (i.e., here), follow the instructions to fill out a second unblock template (i.e., {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}). Post that new unblock request at the very bottom of the page (below the existing declined one, without removing it).

In it, carefully explain how the accounts you have used were not, as they have appeared to others, used in bad faith (and not just as an innocent misunderstanding) to re-add disruptive material; to get around reverts and cross-reinforce each other when others were finding your edits improper. I would expect for any such appeal to be successful, you would need (in addition to being convincing on the merits) to be quite specific, addressing the detail of the series of edits that have this appearance, such as those listed as evidence here. I can tell you that if you are general, in sum and substance, just asserting it was all innocent (as is so common in response to blocks), that is useless and surely will be ineffective. Regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Moulana Abdul Rashid Dawoodi

Please sir help me in this article as I am the media incharge of Moulana Abdul Rashid Dawoodi

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Shaykh_dawoodi Shaykh furqan (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Shaykh furqan: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please disclose your paid relationship with Dawoodi on your user page. You may use {{paid}} to do so. Please also understand that Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Shaykh furqan. Your draft is nowhere near acceptable for Wikipedia. You have failed to provide references to independent reliable sources needed to establish that this person is notable. Of your three references, only one appears to be independent, and it mentions the person only in passing. Big parts of the content have no references, which is a violation of the Verifiability policy. Unreferenced statements like "The ancestral house of Shaykh Dawoodi was known for the piousness and Islamic preaching and love of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ which resulted in the spiritual development of shaykh dawoodi" violate the policy Neutral point of view, and names should be capitalized, though that's a minor point. One of your references says he survived a grenade attack but your draft does not mention that, which is strange. Unless you can come up with much better independent sources, your effort cannot be successful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, lol. Dawoodi is locally known among Barelwis in Kashmir and his best known for his polemic-speeches against Deobandis. If good sources are provided, this would really be a legit article but currently it fails all the notability criteria that we've here. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 18:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

TheAafi, that is precisely why I wrote, "Unless you can come up with much better independent sources . . ." Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

What I should write on my user-page?

Good afternoon fellow wikipedians? What I am supposed to write on my user-page? My credentials? My biography? Why I want to help Wikipedia? Antonis Theofanous (talk) 14:04, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Antonis Theofanous: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your userpage is where you can talk about yourself in relation to editing Wikipedia. This can be a little ambiguous, as, for example, some users do happen to be experts in a field, which direct their efforts towards a type of article. A more comprehensive guide can be found at Wikipedia:User pages, but things that are not okay include user pages that look like articles and blatant advertising. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Perfect! I will just write my interests in life) But why any of the wikipedians will bother to advertise himself from the time this page is closed and the information is not public in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonis Theofanous (talk • contribs) 16:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Antonis Theofanous: The information is public within Wikipedia. Anyone can click on User:Antonis Theofanous and see your user page. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 16:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Dear GoingBatty did I did it correctly now?Antonis Theofanous (talk) 18:07, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Antonis Theofanous, your user page is fine now. Welcome to Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Antonis Theofanous: You have a few typos, but the content is appropriate. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Antonis Theofanous: To be honest it can anything you like, i believe you are not allowed to make it like an article about yourself however, but it is still certainly more customizable then 99.9% of user profiles these days OGWFP (talk) 19:42, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

YouTube

Can we use YouTube as a reliable source? --Eclectic-Polymath (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Eclectic-Polymath: Not always, and in some cases its strictly forbidden. If the youtube video comes from a verfied channel of a reliable Publisher, the reliability of that Publisher may be inherited. If the video isn't published on a channel by a reliable publisher, then no, it isn't reliable. You also have to keep WP:ABOUTSELF in mind. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Eclectic-Polymath, think of it this way: YouTube is not a source. It is a platform for hosting videos, some of which are reliable as described by Victor Schmidt, but most of which are not reliable. It is analogous to a bookstore or a TV set. Each sells or displays content, some of which is reliable and most of which isn't. Each YouTube video needs to be assessed on its own merits, using your editorial judgment, with the presumption that most of them aren't reliable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:RSPYT has some advice on this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Eclectic-Polymath: I believe not, all articles have to be WP:RS and youtube is certainly not a reputable source, as already mentioned, it is a video hosting service, i have heard many a fact on youtube that turned out to be just a myth, almost the entirity of the internet is not to be trusted, that's why we only use WP:RS, not what someone on youtube says, no matter how many views or subscribers they have. OGWFP (talk) 19:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

It depends on the provenance of the YouTube video. A news report uploaded by the news agency that created it to its (verified) account would almost certainly be considered reliable. Game Theory, Death Battle, Matt McMuscles, et al would not. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 19:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Re: ACORD Citations Needed

Hey teahouse -- looking over the ACORD page and wondering what citations would be needed to help remove the flag at the top of the page. Anything helps, thanks. Morrissey35 (talk) 18:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC) Morrissey35 (talk) 18:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Morrissey35, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, generally the tag references articles that need more sources(reliable) to demonstrate their notability. If you have gone through WP:RS, then insert some of them into the article and you yourself can remove the tag when you have fulfilled that. Celestina007 (talk) 19:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Not quite so fast. Although Celestina007 recommended editing the article directly and then removing the tag, because you have (properly) declared a paid relationship, you are limited to making requests on the Talk page of the article. Specifically, review the article, identify content that is not referenced (second half of History, sentence about two office sites) and at Talk, provide references and submit an Edit request. Include a request that the tag be removed. A non-involved editor will decide. David notMD (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)