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July 23

Joseph Redford's autistic pride flag

I found this in the Autism article, and here's what's wrong with it:

• It appears to have been upscaled from a super low resolution.
• JPEG artifacts are noticable, especially upon magnification.
• There's a white dot in the infinity symbol and another white dot nearby in the golden region.

The Reference Desk may be a funny choice of place for me to bring up a shoddy image file, but this isn't the first time I had done that before. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Is that flag copyrighted? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

The uploader, Intervex, claims it isn't eligible for copyright because of its simplicity, but I don't know if that's true. After all, Seattle's flag is copyrighted. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 10:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] I'm not an expert on copyright, but as a former professional editor have more than a layperson's grasp of it. In my judgement, this design is too complex to be ineligible for copyright and the licencing claim (which is on slightly different grounds anyway, go read) is mistaken.

It would not be surprising if the designer, Joseph Redford, had released it under a suitable CC licence, but we have no evidence of that, as it's not stated in the linked source.

However, flags are problematic, since they're meant to be publicly seen, analagous to heraldic coats of arms, which anyone writing about the arms' holder (for example) can depict without permission (a particular depiction may be copyright, but the point of arms, and usually flags, is that their essential details can be defined in words and redrawn from them). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 11:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@MrPersonHumanGuy Do you have a reference desk question? If you wish to propose an improvement to any article the place to do so is the Talk page of that article, but the caption does make it clear that that is an old version. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I have uploaded a photograph of the actual historic flag on display at People's History Museum during the 2023 "Nothing About Us Without Us" exhibition. If it is not used in the Autism article, it will eventually be deleted.  --Lambiam 11:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Which one is upside down, the image embedded or the photo linked in the previous comment? 12.116.29.106 (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

The photo appears to show the flag rotated through 180º. Normally the hoist should be on the left. AlmostReadytoFly (talk) 15:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

File:Autistic Pride flag – Joseph Redford.png is about too be deleted. It was copied from https://phm.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Fabric-of-Protest-Get-Ready-June-2023.pdf, page 2.  --Lambiam 02:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Before this lapses into the archives, I think it's past the best time to ping the uploader (@Intervex:) as well as @Anthony2106: who had the idea to make a vector version of this but never got around to it. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

if needed i can make one as fast as posible, I just forgot Anthony2106 (talk) 02:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@MrPersonHumanGuy can you read this please Anthony2106 (talk) 04:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anthony2106: What do I think of what? If you're asking me for my personal opinion of the flag the image is supposed to represent, then I'd say it seems okay from a design standpoint. If you want to know what I think of your idea of squishing or vectorizing it, I think it might be cool to see a vector replica that doesn't have those JPEG artifacts or the two white dots I mentioned. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@MrPersonHumanGuy before making the svg I ended up squishing it to 4:3 as the jpg may have gotten streached to widescreen, after all the quality is very bad and the jpg has been resized alot. I was gonna ask if I should do this on the photos talk page but I just did it without a responce. Anthony2106 (talk) 10:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Other than the red on the right side of the infinity symbol appearing a bit darker, the SVG version pretty much takes care of the problems that were apparent in the original JPG image. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

i might fix the right side, i noticed it yesterday Anthony2106 (talk) 11:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@MrPersonHumanGuythe background is not strait thoughout the whole image in the jpg version, i copyed this in the svg version but its silly the background should be strait, i might make it strait even though the jpg version isnt like that

basicly if you put a hosiontal line in-between the grean and purple you will see the hight of the line is diffrent on each side.

do I just leave it or make it better? I feel like asking you because you seem to be intrested in this image. This is like last time ill just make it slightly better before you respond Anthony2106 (talk) 11:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I left the background alone and fixed the colour you mentioned Anthony2106 (talk) 12:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Until you brought it up, I didn't notice that the straight horizontal line on the left was lower than the one on the right, although the positions of the points of the yellow region make the difference in the heights of the horizontal boundaries seem less apparent. If the green on the left is raised to match its height on the right, the green would end up slightly above the left point instead of below, which I think is fine. (but if you think that's not fine, then you can tweak or rotate the yellow region slightly so the points would line up) However, I also found out that, on either side of the image as it currently is, the green half has slightly less height than the purple half. If you think any further improvements can be made to the image, you don't have to keep asking me whether I want anything else done.
It's been said that perfect is the enemy of good. Speaking of which, an autistic character from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power once told another character ("Wrong Hordak") that imperfection is beautiful.
To paraphrase a line said by one of the gargoyles from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, it's easier to beg for forgiveness than for permission. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

ive heard the simalor sayings about leaving things imperfect, eg, "no ones perfect", or, "mistakes make you who you are". anyway Im gonna leave the image now Anthony2106 (talk) 13:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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