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editWhat was the first time "Shut Up" was used on US TV?
editSearched the wikipedia article on this and other sources, can't seem to find when this now pretty ubiquitous and tolerated term first was used on TV. Thanks in advance. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 03:47, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure, but as of October 17, they certainly didn't say "sucks" on TV. The actual truth isn't far off, as for that and some other recently tolerable words. Simpsons did it.
- I'll bet "shut up" goes back much further, but not too far. I'll guess a "special episode" of a 1980 family sitcom (the kid says it to a parent, before barging out to concerned looks and it transitions to a wacky neighbour scene for levity). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Or wait, no. Bugs Bunny used to say it a lot (or "shaddup"). He sure wasn't 1980. The Honeymooners was full of it. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- That's correct. The expression "shut up" used to be considered kind of vulgar. Not obscene, just very rude. Like saying "yeh" to a teacher instead of "yes". EO says the expression itself is about 200 years old.[1] The expression "sucks" has been on TV a lot longer than October 17th, for sure. I would say it was the 80s when that expression started turning up on mainstream media. EO indicates it derives from multiple sources, varying from colloquial to obscene.[2] ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Or wait, no. Bugs Bunny used to say it a lot (or "shaddup"). He sure wasn't 1980. The Honeymooners was full of it. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- It goeth back far, even unto days of yore, when men were men, and films were in black and white. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- Much appreciation on the insight, but still no definitive episode, sitcom, season etc. Did enjoy the James Cagney, tho American TV was a bit more family-centric (first toilet flush wasn't until the 1970s with All in the Family!). Anyone that gets something more specific I'd be very grateful! Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 00:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- I fail to see how not flushing the toilet after oneself could be described as "family-centric". In any well-regulated family flushing is de rigueur. DuncanHill (talk) 02:04, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- Fortunately, there was also no "after oneself" at all. Everyone Poops only came out in 1977. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:59, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
- I fail to see how not flushing the toilet after oneself could be described as "family-centric". In any well-regulated family flushing is de rigueur. DuncanHill (talk) 02:04, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- Did Shaddap You Face appear on American TV? HiLo48 (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- Much appreciation on the insight, but still no definitive episode, sitcom, season etc. Did enjoy the James Cagney, tho American TV was a bit more family-centric (first toilet flush wasn't until the 1970s with All in the Family!). Anyone that gets something more specific I'd be very grateful! Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 00:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- Someone may find a usage but it will be difficult to determine a "first time" as there 100s of 1000s of TV shows that aired that a) weren't recorded or b) whose recordings have been consigned to the dust bin of history. Also, while you are looking for use of the term as in "be quiet", it could also have been used when someone was shut up in a room etc (see Rapunzel in the tower or any number of Poe victims.} Best of luck to those who are searching. It will be interesting to see what you find. MarnetteD | Talk 02:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- The other problem is that "shut up" is not particularly shocking. It wouldn't have raised any sort of controversy, hence no notice. See for example Jack Benny, which gives part of the dialogue for a 1948 radio broadcast in which Mary Livingstone says, "Oh, shut up!" Clarityfiend (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
- "Well, I never!" Even more classically vulgar is the old Shut Up Kiss". InedibleHulk (talk) 01:18, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
- The other problem is that "shut up" is not particularly shocking. It wouldn't have raised any sort of controversy, hence no notice. See for example Jack Benny, which gives part of the dialogue for a 1948 radio broadcast in which Mary Livingstone says, "Oh, shut up!" Clarityfiend (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Movie identification
editWhat's a good place to go to on the net, to get a movie identified from a scene I remember?
Also, you can take a look at it if you want:
Samurai movie from the 80s or 90s. One guy is fighting many on a rope bridge. He uses some kind of a sharp object on a chain or rope as a weapon. He gets struck by a number of arrows but he pulls them out. Some leader on the side of the attackers says something akin to: If all their men are like him, then we are lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hnetur (talk • contribs) 16:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- This is the right place. Hopefully you will get your answer soon. StuRat (talk) 14:04, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Old Japanese newspaper archives?
editIs there any website like HighBeam which has a searchable database of old Japanese newspapers? I'm looking for articles from 1997-98 to expand a song article "明日、春が来たら" (Ashita, Haru ga Kitara) by Takako Matsu. Any newspaper articles from that time period will be useful. I've been searching for magazine articles too, on the same song. ごだい (会話) 16:45, 10 May 2014 (UTC)