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  • Notification received, brought up on talk page of page where image is used, so if someone wants to integrate this or the wedding picture into the article, or improve on the fair use rationale. Optigan13 03:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Notification received, brought up on talk page of page where image is used, so if someone wants to integrate this or the young howard picture into the article, or improve on the fair use rationale. Optigan13 03:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Unnecessary non-notable unfree image iikely to belong to a news agency (source info doesn't identifies the author or copyright holder), doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 02:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I object to the above user's rude deletion-assertion of this picture. Firstly, the source is there - it is taken from Flickr. I don't know who created the painting - it is in Parliament House, Canberra, that is all I can tell you. I am asserting that the image is fair use in representing that Keating was honoured with a painting after his Prime Ministership. It is not meant to represent his likeness whatsoever. The crop was created from a wrongly tagged image from Commons which has since been deleted; it has nothing to do with this picture. If you want me to fix up the fiar use criterion I will, but there is no reason why this picture cannot be kept. JRG 02:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I said on my talk page, that is not a proper source for the painting. As you have said above you do not know the information that I say is not there! It is not optional, see criteria 10(a) of our Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria "Proper attribution of the source of the material, and attribution of the copyright holder if different from the source." Even not using this image in the infobox and putting it in another section does not stop it from being a non-free image used to show what a living person looks like. Saying that it is used to illustrate that he was honored with a painting seems to be a facile attempt to circumvent our prohibition of non-free images used in this fashion and you have not shown how this is something that needs to be illustrated or if it even is an important factoid to begin with. Kotepho 03:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How are you supposed to illustrate that someone was honoured with a painting then? Why are you the judge of whether it is an important fact or not? Please explain further. JRG 03:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. You're not supposed to illustrate that someone was honoured with a painting, as this information can be conveyed with (free) text only. --Abu badali (talk) 03:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't you illustrate it? That is more than justified by US and Australian fair dealing/fair use law. Unless Wikipedia goes beyond what the law says (which shouldn't be the case). JRG 03:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is the case. --Abu badali (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why? That doesn't answer the question. JRG 03:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You asked if Wikipedia's requirements for using non-free material under an assertion are more restrictive than those required by law. This is true. Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia first and foremost. We only include material under fair use in extremely limited circumstances as including fair use material reduces the ability of our content to be redistributed anywhere by anyone for any purpose (which is the whole point of Wikipedia) (e.g. in countries without fair use/fail dealing or for commercial purposes where it would be harder to justify their use). On the specific question, I will refer to criterion 8. "Non-free media is not used unless it contributes significantly to an article. It needs to significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot." The information conveyed by the fair use material must be important enough to the subject that the article would be lacking without it and it must not be able to be adequately replaced by text instead. For this use to be allowed you would need to show that a) being honored with a painting was significant and important and b) the article would be severly hinder the understanding of the article without the image. Kotepho 03:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Took the words out of my mouth. --Abu badali (talk) 03:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or, to quote Jimbo, "Just because it's legal to use an image doesn't mean we should." – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete freedom of panorama in all Commonwealth countries extends to 3d objects only. As this is a 2 dimensional object, a derivative of it is unfree. -N 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Image:Paul Keating crop2.jpg used on Australian federal election, 1993 and Australian federal election, 1996, no fair use alternative available, no longer in public domain and even if he was found the photo would be unrepresentative of our PM from 10 years ago, has aged significantly. Timeshift 01:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. FOP would only apply here if the painting was a small portion of the photo. The "appearance" argument by Timeshift only applies if his appearance 10 years ago (as opposed to now) was significant in some way. howcheng {chat} 18:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually you are incorrect. FOP allows taking derivative pictures of copyrighted works. Please see Wikipedia:Freedom of panorama (which I must admit I co-wrote with an admin from Commons). There is no requirement it be only a small portion of the work. What you are thinking of is called "de minimis" use of the copyrighted work. See de minimis. However in this case, Australian FOP clearly doesn't apply. -N 19:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. I am also a Commons admin and am pretty familiar with FOP. De minimis refers to the amount of usage of copyrighted material in relation to the entire copyrighted work. For example, a still frame from a TV show is de minimis because at 24 fps, it's a tiny portion of the entire show. A single-sentence quotation of a copyrighted book is de minimis. Freedom of panorama is for example, when you take a picture of Times Square you will include a lot of advertising in the scene, but because each individual advertisement is only a small portion of the scene (and the subject of the photo is Times Square, not the specific advertisement), then freedom of panorama applies. Does that make sense? Nevertheless, I wholly concur that FOP does not apply here because the subject of the photo is the painting, which makes it clearly a derivative work. howcheng {chat} 20:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Actually I misspoke, apparently Lupo is not an administrator. However I still believe you are incorrect. The actual FOP laws clearly state that taking pictures of approved items is legal. They say nothing about the portion of use. -N 20:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The painting won the Archibald Prize. Would that count? JRG 00:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In an article about the painting, yes. – Quadell (talk) (random) 02:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did some more research and it turns out it wasn't this particular painting, but another one; I'll try and find an image of that one and put it on the Bryan Westwood page, and let this be deleted. JRG 10:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Unnecessary non-notable unfree image, showing two notable men meeting. This image doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information tha isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 03:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • An important image showing unrepeatable historic event: first inauguration of Putin. The image is instrumental for showing growing influence of the Russian Orthodox Church in the matters of Russian state under Putin. The image is from the Russian Orthodox Church website, we are not competing with the church in any way. The site in fact has the following notice [1]: Мы благодарны всем, кто воспользовался нашей информацией, сославшись на нее в своем издании, не нарушив тем самым этический кодекс журналиста и Закон об авторских правах. (We are grateful to everybody who used our information and refer to it in in their publication; so they did not violated the ethics of a journalist and the Copyright Law. The the owner of the site is actually encourages usage of the materials only requiring attribution. The image originally had {{Attribution}} tag but it was not clear if the modification is allowed Alex Bakharev 04:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How does the image convey that information more than text alone can? "Napoleon took the crown from the Pope and crowned himself instead of letting the Pope crown him, signifying that he was not subjugated to the Church." provides the same information whether there is an image of it or not. Kotepho 05:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: If consensus is that we cannot illustrate "crowning moments" for beauty pageants with non-free images, then I don't see how we can use a non-free image to illustrate this either. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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  • This image was tagged {{rfu}}, and User:Angr processed the image, deciding it should be kept. I think this decision was in error, since the image is clearly replaceable. The disputed reason has been "Old station wagons are very hard to find. Station wagons are usually driven hard and don't survive this long. One can't just walk into a random parking lot and have any chance of seeing one of these. Even going to a car show, one would be hard-pressed to find one." This is, in my opinion, clearly insufficient.- – Quadell (talk) (random) 10:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No argument from me. I can't even remember why I was convinced by that argument at the time. —Angr 17:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. To be sure finding a free image from the 70's might be impossible (copyleft was but a misty idea at Berkeley at the time) but we can always wait the 80 years for this to fall into the public domain. -N 01:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP. As an automotive expert, I know that the vehicle depicted is a very hard to find vehicle and a fair use image of that vehicle is our best bet. It is next to impossible to find one of those in a condition sutible to describe the details of the car on an encyclopedia. I absolutely am digusted by your thinking that we can make a free image of any car on a whim. It is not that easy. Karrmann 01:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You'll have to somehow source this claim. Unfortunately, we can't rely on your expertise. --Abu badali (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Oldsmobile sold 25,000 1972 Custom Cruisers. As a non-collector car (just an everyday car without very high sales), there just aren't many of those 25,000 left at all, much less in photogenic condition, even if there is no definitive source to prove it. For comparison, Oldsmobile sold 220,000 Cutlasses that year, approaching ten times as many cars as the Custom Cruiser, and 1972 Cutlasses still aren't easy to find today. Again, there's no definitive source (though my production source is The Encyclopedia of American Cars, page 689), but the available data gives a very clear indication Wikipedia cannot count on a free image of a 1972 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser to appear. The fair-use image should be able to illustrate the article while a free image is searched for, and if we do somehow find one, it will of course replace the fair-use. IFCAR 12:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Our policy does not allow us to keep a non-free image until a replacement is found or created. If a replacement could be found or created, then we just can't use a non-free one in the time-being. Also, note that the Great Pyramid of Giza is extremely rare (only one exists), and yet we can't use a non-free image of it. Being rare isn't enough; it has to be unavailable. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If there were a world-famous 1972 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser that was always in the same place and attracted millions of tourists every year, I'm sure there would be no difficulty in finding a free image of one. IFCAR 21:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You have to admit, that would be very cool. If I had one, that's what I would do with it. – Quadell (talk) (random) 03:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is only one Terry Jones (if you only count members from Monty Python), we still don't accept fair use images of him. There are more than one 1972 Custom Cruiser's left. So definitely replaceable. Garion96 (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Have any of you people ever tried to find a free replacement for an image like this? When was the last time any of you saw a vintage station wagon? The last car show I went to, I saw ONE post-1960 wagon (a late '60s Buick Special), and it was modified so it would not have made an encyclopedic image anyway. The image in question is, for all intents and purposes, not replaceable. If you can prove me wrong in this case, take a picture, upload it, and we will be glad to use it. Until then, back off, please. --Sable232 23:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's amazing what free images people can find and create when there's a need for one. And it's amazing how rarely a non-free image gets replaced by a free one when we allow a non-free one to stick around. – Quadell (talk) (random) 03:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have personally replaced hundreds of fair use auto images, including a newer generation of Custom Cruiser. I'd much rather have the article be illustrated by an image that is not prone to deletion requests, but the alternative is the article being unillustrated, which is far worse. IFCAR 11:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. In case that wasn't clear from my previous statements. IFCAR 02:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. "Difficult to replace" != irreplaceable, unfortunately. howcheng {chat} 17:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This image is claimed to be from Associated Press, and is used in an article that puts Associated Press in bad light, as it states that this image is a staged scene. The only source so far to backup the claim that this is really an image from Associated Press is a website that claims to mirror an article from german magazine Spiegel. The website provides a link to the original Spiegel article, but that link is broken. I believe we can't use this image unless we can be completely sure this is an image from Associate Press, as the article claims it is. Important to say, I believe it can be proved that if this image is really from Associated Press, this is a rare case of valid fair use of an image from a news agency, as the image is not being used to illustrate a discussion about the event depicted, but instead about the media coverage of the event depicted. (So, no "this is copyright paranoia" arguments are needed ;) ). This is more like a libel issue ([[WP:BEC]]: Biographies of Existing Companys). Abu badali (talk) 18:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this is original research and shoddy work. Ironically, it puts the encyclopedia in a bad light, not AP. -N 01:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep image - (1) for starters, article has changed a lot since initial deletion post request and the article no longer puts AP in bad light. (2) i don't understand why User:N talks about original reaserch issues as the article is extremely refrenced and (3) i believe copyright should be fixed and attributed as in the other image on the article - Image:PalestinianChildren.jpg. Jaakobou 23:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless we can find a reliable source attributing the image to the AP. howcheng {chat} 22:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • strong keep the image is an integral part of the debate; and to ChrisO, it's the same as the picture of the boy.
--Eternalsleeper 22:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay here goes. One there's no proof that picture is of the same woman mentioned in the MSNBC video. At least not using the sources provided. Two, http://www.wtc-trauer.de/ is not a reliable source. There's no proof any of the stuff posted there is actually real. Therefore it is shoddy research and original synthesis. And it can't count as fair use if we aren't certain it's really what it says it is. The image has to go. -N 00:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • User:N, please go over the article - these are the shots aired on all the networks and links in the article indicate "AP news stories reported worldwide on the demonstration in Nablus and AP distributed still pictures and video of similar rallies in east Jerusalem, Lebanon and elsewhere. An AP still photographer did not take pictures of the Nablus rally after being warned at the scene not to do so." (AP protests threats to freelance camerman who filmed Palestinian rally Sept. 12, 2001). as for the website hosting the der spiegel article, there is a link which actually does not lead to a dead page, but to an article previewresult of clicking the link from the google trans.... we have no reason to suspect the source has falsified the rest of the article. Jaakobou 00:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • I have viewed the MSNBC source in the article and I have viewed the supposed spiegel article. There is no proof the incidents mentioned are connected. Nowel is not even named in the Spiegel article. -N 00:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • i think this is an admission that the images are from AP? anyways, three videos and all of them are with this woman... she is the only prominent figure.. perhaps the "bin laden" guy is a tad noticable also.. regardless, the Palestinian interviewee on der spiegel obviously speaks of that woman. to the point... i don't see how this discussion belongs here - this is a discussion about establishing that this image is from AP and associated with the related article and hence this is a case of fair use and the image should not be removed. if you feel this argument is incomplete you can continue this argument the article's talk page. like i stated before i believe copyright should be fixed and attributed as in the other image on the article - Image:PalestinianChildren.jpg. Jaakobou 03:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to close discussion this is being discussed at Wikipedia:Fair_use_review#25_June_2007 which is a better forum (and they've resolved the problems with the image). -N 03:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think the article really needs two Associated Press's images from the same controversy. This image should be deleted, and the article could keep using solely the non-problematic Image:PalestinianChildren.jpg --Abu badali (talk) 04:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a good enough source, possible libel issues, and non needed since we have the other image (NFCC #3). – Quadell (talk) (random) 04:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • comment - how could a random picture of kids, who only appear in the videos is ok and the woman of the celebrating woman, which has extensive notes about her and the controvercy is non-needed? Jaakobou 22:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Other images portray the celebration of the 9/11 attacks better than these images, it fails fair use guidelines. Bleh999 22:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete. This is a blatant copyvio. WP:COPY#Using copyrighted work from others is clear on this: "Never use materials that infringe the copyrights of others. This could create legal liabilities and seriously hurt the project." This is particularly true for agency photos, as the agencies are currently cracking down on the unauthorised use of their images. -- ChrisO 07:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - there are no free images I know of which portray the subject of the article Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks properly. There are quite a few non-free ones, including this one. I think we should choose the best image and use it in the article (I have no objections against this particular one) and all the others should be deleted (or not used in this particular article) because that would obviously violate fair use guidelines. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Metaborg1.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Pistain (notify | contribs).
  • This is one of two forms for a monster of the week from VR Troopers While there may be some debate over whether there should be any pictures at all, surely we can agree that there shouldn't be multiple pictures for them. By which I mean we should minimize the copywrite image use to a minimum. Seeing 2 pics of him doesn't really add anything to the list.— Spriteless 19:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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Image:Belkaflag.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Deadkid dk (notify | contribs).

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Image:Political_Shirley_Temple.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Signaleer (notify | contribs).
  • This image had a recently concluded IFD here. There was some question about whether this image, taken from a NASA website, was really from NASA. In my close, I stated that we would keep the image for now, pending some kind of response from NASA. I emailed NASA and quickly got a reply. Here it is:


  • That email is unfortunate on several levels, not the least of which being that we can't necessarily trust NASA images to be free. So anyway, this image is not a work of the US federal government and the copyright has not had a chance to expire, so it is a copyrighted image. The question is whether or not we can use it under fair use. I offer this procedural nomination without prejudice. --BigDT 22:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep She personally gave permission to NASA to use the image on its public domain website. As she worked closely with them during the making of the project, she was aware the information would not be copyrighted. The picture doesn't appear to be published anywhere else. -N 01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We don't know the copyright status. The copyright begins with the photographer not the subject. (SEWilco 03:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete I would have voted keep in the last IFD, but with this new info it's delete. Garion96 (talk) 22:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, sadly. I would really like to keep this image, and I think it would pass NFCC#1 and #8. But without source and copyright info, we just can't. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have a source, Shirley Temple, and a copyright, her. -N 20:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Only if she took the photograph. Seeing as how she was on the other side of the camera at the time, I doubt she created this image. – Quadell (talk) (random) 02:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Please nominate my personal photo for deletion. I did not take it and I did not receive a formal copyright release from the photographer and I obviously have no right to authorize Wikipedia to use it. -N 02:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • I realize you're being sarcastic (I'm perceptive like that), but the truth is, you don't hold the copyright to your image if you didn't create it. If the photographer wanted to press the issue in court, he/she would own the copyright and could dictate the terms that the image is used under. That may not matter much in your personal image, but the creators of quality photos of celebrities will frequently fiercely protect their copyrights. We don't know who created this image, and we don't know who holds the copyright. – Quadell (talk) (random) 03:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Originalamylbox.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Munatobe7 (notify | contribs).
  • Orphan, summary says it's an advertisement in a "gay magazine" from 25 years ago. Uploader's claim of self-authorship is dubious, and 25 years is not enough time for things to fall into the public domain. —Bkell (talk) 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The photo is just an old photo, taken in 1976 (over thirty years ago) of two items purchased and laid down on a table and photographed. There is no copyright claim. It's just an old photo. Munatobe7 13:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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