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Sargun Mehta

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Result: delisted 23:13, 13 April 2016 Protonk

Firstly it’s a shame to nominate a recent GA (passed on 7 June 2015) for reassessment and let me point out that the article hasn't been damaged since then, but was passed with these faults itself.

  • This biographical article about an actor does not include a single criticism that talks about her "acting". It thus fails the 3a criteria of addressing the main aspects of the topic.
Well in that case you need to take a look here, and see if it has a single negative review about any of his films. The majority of stuff on many actors article that are GA or FA are positive things about the individual. Anyway the lead has the sentence ...but the 2010 show Apno Ke Liye Geeta Ka Dharmayudh met with negative reviews.
OSE! And show meeting negative reviews doesn't say anything about the acting of Mehta, unless it was a one-person show. Even that would be a bad synthesis because a show can go dull for numerous things not related to the acting. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • These sources are not WP:RS. They need to be replaced.
Bollywoodlife.com, Youtube.com, Realbollywood.com, Filmibeat.com, Tellychakkar.com, Dekhnews.com, Moviecitynews.com, Thelinkpaper.ca, Gr8mag.com, Pardaphash.com, Punjabupfilms.in,
Bollywoodlife.com has been used on many GA's, same for Filmibeat. They might not be suitable for featured standard article's but are okay for GA level. How come youtube is not a RS? As far as rest are concerned, i'll try to find replacable reliable sources Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OSE! Bollywoodlife is linked with Zee Network. Such publicity websites aren't independent. Filmibeat doesn't even have a "about us" section. Anyways, you would need to go to WP:RSN to prove their notability. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • These are self-published primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources needs to be included.
zeetv.com,
Don't see your point here, its a well-known television channel owned and operated by Zee Entertainment Enterprises. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know. That's why called its a "primary" source. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article isn't really well-written; will cite some example:
  •   Done Why is she being called comedian in the lead sentence? She participated in one season of Comedy Circus where an actor was paired with a professional comedian to form a team and then contest in the show. Does one such venture make her a "comedian"?
One word "comedian" is a problem according to you? These puny things can be dealt easily, you shouldn't be mentioning them. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If one word doesn't make a problem, can I add one abusive word instead? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You should have known this- "Do not waste minutes explaining or justifying a problem that you could fix in seconds. GAR is not a forum to shame editors over easily fixed problems". Stop embarrassing yourself by saying such non-sense and telling me you like geometry. No one gives a fuck. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Done Same for dancer and presenter.
Removed.
  •   Done "Mehta began her acting debut". That sounds strange phrasing.
Rephrased.
  •   Done "Alongside her acting career, Mehta started her anchoring career". So anchoring isn't acting?
Rephrased.
  •   Done "Mehta also appeared in reality shows, include Nach Baliye". That sounds strange phrasing.
Removed.
  •   Done "While at university, she studied acting under the mentorship of its theatre club." Two things here. If she studied in a college affiliated with the University it does not imply she studied at the university. So no WP:OR please. And who was the mentor here? Is that OR too? Because a club can be of just students interested in acting.
Removed.
  •   Done "It also opening well at the U.S. box office grossing ₹20.90 million (US$320,000)". Grammar!
Reworded.
  • Many more... Can't bother mentioning them all.
I have resolved issues regarding the prose, if there are any more, let me know. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • On various occasions the article drifts to page 3 style of writing gossip columns and writes trivia. This fails 3b for not staying focused on topic
  •   Done "On 28 March 2012, Mehta attended the launch party of the UTV Stars TV show Walk Of The Stars, along with Ravi Dubey, at Olive in Mumbai,[35] and also attended the Prestigious Television Awards function, where she was nominated and announced as the winner."
Removed and concised. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:34, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Done "In 2013, Mehta appeared at film music launch party of Issaq at Mumbai, India, along with Dubey on 18 June 2013."
Removed.
  •   Done "In August 2013, Mehta attended the launch party of Bindass' romantic drama programme Yeh Hai Aashiqui in Mumbai, India. On September 2013, she attended the South Africa India Film and Television Awards - SAIFTA award function in Durban, South Africa".
  • "Mehta attended Star Plus's Holi festival special titled Masti Gulal Ki, along with Dubey on March 2014".
  •   Done "In August of that year, she attended the launch event of Sony television's new Hindi entertainment channel Sony Pal."
  •   Done "On 30 November 2014, she appeared at an award function of Zee TV's Zee Rishtey Awards, and in January 2015, Mehta attended the television stars cricket league of Sony television's Box Cricket League. She attended the semi-final match of the Delhi Dragons and the Ahmedabad Express, supporting their friends of the Ahmedabad Express team."
  •   Done "On 14 December 2014, Mehta performed on the stage of Colors television's music show Mirchi Top 20, where she danced on a Punjabi song. The show hosted by Manish Paul and Bharti Singh, and presented by Vodafone Music."
  •   Done "Mehta has maintained a Instagram account,[68] and a Twitter account since 2012."
I have removed all of the above. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still haven't checked whether all the claims made are actually present in the linked references. But a few references are video links of TV shows or Youtube videos and such primary sources are not acceptable.
It's only "not acceptable", when the publisher is unknown.
See zee tv reply above. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the content is coming from interviews of the subject and that’s absolutely non-neutral, failing criteria 4.

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If a website has a Wikipedia article, it should be considered reliable. In this case, Filmibeat redirects to Oneindia. So I think it passes WP:RS. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. Our article on Oneindia is merely a stub with no reliable sources whatsoever. —Vensatry (ping) 10:53, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And Kailash, Wikipedia in itself is not RS. James Tod is an FA but he is not really RS. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And why is that? Because his works have factual errors or what? Kailash29792 (talk) 11:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Contact User:Sitush for more info. Was just giving you example. Am sure Tod has nothing to do with Mehta and hence lets not drift. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:28, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Being a reviewer, its a linear insult. As you have a history of trying to delist GA's like you did here. You should have brought these issues to me instead of opening a GAR. I'll try to give this article a copy-edit and do what i can to save its good article status. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you would do your job well, we wouldn't be here to make you feel offended. Geometry is my fav subject and on-wiki insulting is too, according to some. So thanks for the complement. And if you disagree with the comments you wouldn't remove 2kbs of chunk out immediately. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You don't know what you are talking about. There is no "we", its "you" who started this. I agree there is a problem with the prose, but you should have told me about all this before reassessing it. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why should I tell you? You passed the article, hopefully in all your senses. That was me assuming that you passed it to the best of your understandability of GA criteria and not just blindly gave a green badge. After that what is the point in tell you how it should have been done? Plus, a community GAR is for all people to access and help clean the article. Other editors can also make their additional points here. And btw, if the article really wants to keep the GA badge it has to mainly work on the first tree points, rest copyediting and trivia chopping can happen over time. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. Akshaytherock (talk) 09:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Its been months now that the article is at GAR and not a single word in the article has been written about this actress' "acting". This thus fails the 3a criteria of addressing the main aspects of the topic, as has been noted above in the every first point. I think this article should no longer GA since enough time has been given. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:05, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dharmadhyaksha: There's a lot of dones floating around. Could you give one concise statement about what you feel remains wrong with this article? Clearly, the article does contain information about her acting career. Are you saying that it's non-neutral by virtue of not criticizing her acting? ~ RobTalk 18:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@BU Rob13: There is plenty of stuff about her "acting career" but not an iota about her "acting" itself. The prose is "in YYYY she signed [insert show name]. The show had [insert actors name] featuring with her. The show was [insert adjective about show]. The show ended in YYYY. Mehta said [insert some self-bloating quote]." Where does the whole article talk about her acting? Criticism or favourism would be an issue if at all the prose dealt with it. In short, the whole "Career" section is just prosification of the two tables given below. If what I expect is still not clear then I have summarized some bits present in current actresses GA articles; on which lines something should be mentioned. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:01, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm a bit torn here. If this were a GA review for the article in the current state, I would consider the remaining request onerous. But it's clear that the article shouldn't have been passed in the first place either because the state it was in or because the nominator and reviewer were the same person. Rather than make the dispute more protracted, I'll demote delist the article. Protonk (talk) 12:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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