Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/The Last of Us/archive1
The Last of Us is an action-adventure survival horror video game developed by Naughty Dog and published by Sony Computer Entertainment. It was released for the PlayStation 3 video game console in June 2013, and for the PlayStation 4 console in July 2014 as The Last of Us Remastered. Players control Joel, a man tasked with escorting the young Ellie across a post-apocalyptic United States. The game, which had a four-year development led by Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann, was widely anticipated. Following its release, it received critical acclaim, earning numerous year-end accolades. Prior to and following its release, the game was also accompanied by other material, including the comic book American Dreams and the downloadable content Left Behind.
- Contributor(s): Rhain1999
This proposed topic covers the video game The Last of Us and its subtopics, covering the DLC, remaster, comic book, characters, music, awards, development and directors. I quietly started working on these in October 2014, with major work beginning in January 2015; at the time, we had one C-class article, one Start Class and . We now have two Stubnine seven GAs and two FLs. I believe it meets the criteria. --– Rhain1999 (talk to me) 07:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Been waiting for this. Topic appears complete and meets the FTC. Well done. – czar 07:21, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support. An amazing and complete topic. Will even be better if the game's composer Gustavo Santaolalla is promoted to good article as well. AdrianGamer (talk) 07:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that Neil Druckmann and Bruce Straley should be a part of this topic; precedent prior has been that the flow goes Developer->games they developed, not Game->People who worked on the game, unless the developer in question is mainly known for that game. And these two aren't- they've worked on other big name games like the Uncharted series. The game's characters, music, spinoffs/expansions, etc. are clearly sub-components of the "The Last of Us" idea, like subarticles, but their notable developers aren't tied to just this game. I'd be fine with them as component articles of a "Naughty Dog " topic or lead articles of a "Neil Druckman" etc. topic, but not as parts of a topic on just one game they worked on. --PresN 17:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- My 2¢: it doesn't matter much either way. I think precedent has been to keep the devs out of the related game articles, but Straley and Druckmann, as the game and creative directors, are really prominent throughout the entire Dev article and I think make fine subtopics. – czar 22:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- @PresN: I think I have to agree with your logic there. If this was a situation like, say, the Metal Gear Solid franchise topic—then yeah, we'd probably want Kojima's article in there. But it's very rare for a person or company to be so closely entangled with their products that this kind of inclusion becomes necessary. I'd even argue that a potential BioShock topic needn't include Ken Levine (game developer), for a variety of reasons. Breaking away from this tradition could become problematic in the future, too, as it's liable to create a slippery-slope situation in which every developer with an article must be included in a topic about their product(s). That's just unfeasible. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 05:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'll take them out, if that's the consensus, but I just figured that they fit here because The Last of Us is quite clearly their most prominent game (to date). The difference with good topics such as Greg Wohlwend and Asher Vollmer is that they are about developers who almost independently worked on the games within the topic, whereas Druckmann and Straley are two members of a 250-person development team. If they don't fit in this topic, then I think the only reasonable topic for them would be one about Naughty Dog (which I'm okay with, to be clear, but I thought I'd mention it). – Rhain1999 (talk to me) 06:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's their most prominent game to date, but there's a difference between "most prominent" and "the game they're almost entirely known for- Uncharted isn't exactly an underground hit of a massively popular AAA series. I would also agree that the way FTopics are set up, Druckmann (for example) would only fit in a Naughty Dog topic, a Druckmann topic (which would have it's own problems and likely wouldn't work), or some sort of absurd "American AAA game designers" topic. That said, a Naughty Dog topic would just be the company, the games list, Druckman, Straley, Gavin, Rubin, and Bisell, so it's difficult but not undoable. --PresN 04:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- @PresN: That makes sense; thank you for clarifying. I'll probably try and tackle the Naughty Dog topic one day, anyway. But, for now, the consensus seems to be that Straley and Druckmann don't belong within this topic, so I've removed them accordingly. If anybody has any objections to this, please feel free to say. – Rhain1999 (talk to me) 07:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's their most prominent game to date, but there's a difference between "most prominent" and "the game they're almost entirely known for- Uncharted isn't exactly an underground hit of a massively popular AAA series. I would also agree that the way FTopics are set up, Druckmann (for example) would only fit in a Naughty Dog topic, a Druckmann topic (which would have it's own problems and likely wouldn't work), or some sort of absurd "American AAA game designers" topic. That said, a Naughty Dog topic would just be the company, the games list, Druckman, Straley, Gavin, Rubin, and Bisell, so it's difficult but not undoable. --PresN 04:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'll take them out, if that's the consensus, but I just figured that they fit here because The Last of Us is quite clearly their most prominent game (to date). The difference with good topics such as Greg Wohlwend and Asher Vollmer is that they are about developers who almost independently worked on the games within the topic, whereas Druckmann and Straley are two members of a 250-person development team. If they don't fit in this topic, then I think the only reasonable topic for them would be one about Naughty Dog (which I'm okay with, to be clear, but I thought I'd mention it). – Rhain1999 (talk to me) 06:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- @PresN: I think I have to agree with your logic there. If this was a situation like, say, the Metal Gear Solid franchise topic—then yeah, we'd probably want Kojima's article in there. But it's very rare for a person or company to be so closely entangled with their products that this kind of inclusion becomes necessary. I'd even argue that a potential BioShock topic needn't include Ken Levine (game developer), for a variety of reasons. Breaking away from this tradition could become problematic in the future, too, as it's liable to create a slippery-slope situation in which every developer with an article must be included in a topic about their product(s). That's just unfeasible. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 05:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support --PresN 14:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support as well. Very strong topic—it's a shame that the hard work on Druckman and Straley's GAs isn't being recognized here, but I think it's for the best. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support great work! My only question is, when do you find the time/when do you sleep? ;) Great job! Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I take short power naps while I write the articles, and my only other activity is eating; that's my secret. No, but seriously, this topic would not have been possible without the assistance and support of many other editors; that's what kept me going. Not to mention my love for this game. – Rhain1999 (talk to me) 12:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - This is a fantastic achievement. You should be proud of what you've accomplished here. Great work. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic. --十八 06:32, 27 August 2015 (UTC)