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The list was promoted by Giants2008 19:19, 11 August 2012 [1].

List of accolades received by Miami Vice

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Nominator(s): GRAPPLE X 19:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. The list culls information from two parent articles—Miami Vice and List of Miami Vice soundtracks—and presents it in a further level of depth than elsewhere; it also contains a degree of unique prose including the famed EGOT hubris of Philip Michael Thomas. The majority of the formatting has been derived from the FL List of accolades received by David Lynch, while the section on music charts has seen me attempting new formatting which I believe meets MOS:DTT. I'm open to any and all suggestions regarding the list but I'm confident in its layout and content as is. For those unfamiliar with the subject, Miami Vice was a police procedural drama whose production values and use of cinematic techniques helped pave the way for modern television drama; its visuals, music and fashion helped to turn it into a pop-culture touchstone for the 1980s. Thanks for any input offered. GRAPPLE X 19:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Olmos caption in infobox needs a period.
  • "Awards & Nominations" -> "Awards & nominations"
  • "several award nominations, including twenty Emmy Award nominations..." nominations is repetitive in this sentence...
  • "Johnson and Olmos would win " why "would win" and not just "won"?
  • "it would go on to " -> "it went on to..." or simply "it won..."
  • "fared less well" again, "well" is repetitive, rephrase?
  • Would prefer to see column widths the same from section to section.
  • Nominee should be Nominee(s) in tables where multiple nominees are listed.
  • After you've introduced people fully (e.g. Edward James Olmos), you only need to refer to them by the surnames thereafter unless there's some ambiguity.
  • Because of the row spans, when I sort the charts table, the 9 and the United States switch columns, which is wrong.
  • Same with the Singles table. Completely messes up when sorted.
  • Ref titles should comply with WP:DASH i.e. spaced en-dashes not spaced hyphens.
  • "The Official Charts Company" is just "Official Charts Company".

The Rambling Man (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for such a prompt response! I've addressed everything so far except the charts tables, I'm looking at those now to see what the issue is. GRAPPLE X 14:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    No worries. My initial instinct is that there's a mix of row spans which the software can't cope with. I think the latest update made it cope with one column having a row span, but not two or more... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Bugger, I was hoping it was just something in my tabling that I could rectify. Would skipping the rowspans in favour of listing the same field in each row be preferable? I was going to scour a few FLs to see how rowspans were handled elsewhere in case it's something fixable. GRAPPLE X 14:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, where appropriate that may do it, but it may also look utterly naff with so many repetitions. Dunno. Might be worth leaving as-is with no sortability...? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Had a look through some featured discographies for comparison. I think the "Albums" table could stand to have its only rowspan removed for a duplicate, it would just leave "United States" across two fields. It seems the singles table I've used is utterly different to how FL discographies go about things, as I've listed albums and they tend not to; removing that field would help lessen the reliance on rowspans to clean things up a bit. I could either split it into three tables, one per album, or include NB notes to list which album they've been taken from. Thoughts? GRAPPLE X 14:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Makes me wonder if these tables really belong in an "accolades" list. I mean, peaking at No. 90 in Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart isn't really what I'd consider an accolade.... ? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it was a logical follow-on from the fact that the series' music had earned Grammy nominations; it felt odd to me to list Grammies for Hammer's music without the chart positions for it too as though I was drawing a line somewhere. If the general feeling is that it's out of place then I can move it to the relevant parent article; though to me, reaching #90 in a given chart is probably as useful to know as being nominated for "Outstanding Sound Mixing" at an awards show. GRAPPLE X 20:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think what you've said is fair enough. After all, there aren't many shows like Vice which spawned so many different types of award-winning (or charting) accolades. Ok, so let's focus on either making the table unsortable, making it sort properly with just one row span, or do the impossible and make it sort as it was originally...! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I tried playing about a bit, reducing the number of columns by eliminating countries, album names etc; if I remove a column that switches with another column when sorted, then two different colums switch around instead. I think it's looking like the best option is to just lose the sortability of the tables until the root cause can be fixed—even if I strip out the country column, and break the singles into three tables, one for each album, there's still a necessity for rowspans for the songs and the artists; artist and chart columns then switch places when sorted. I've switched the table to be unsortable for now. GRAPPLE X 18:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't blame you. The nuances of the Wikimedia software really make this kind of thing too difficult. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 09:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • What channel was it broadcast on?
  • Its stars included → The show starred
  • focussed should be focused
  • Ref. 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, Academy of Television Arts & Sciences should not be linked as it is linked above
  • Ref. 20, 30, 35, 39, 42: Hitradio Ö3 should not be linked as it is linked above
  • Ref. 45: Procter & Gamble should not be linked as it is above

TBrandley 23:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that WP:OVERLINK does not apply to references as there's no expectation that they'll be read sequentially, unlike the article itself. I've left those links in but I have made the other suggested changes. GRAPPLE X 10:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree re: ref linking, I tend to link all or none. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 14:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "...nomination for his work helming..." not keen on the use of helping, not even sure if its actually a word, would change it to overseeing perhaps?
  • WP:CONTEXTLINK advises against using bold links. This has been brought about by the use of row scopes to rectify this, add plainrowheaders to wikitable and the issue will be solved.
  • "Thomas' nomination was to be his only award nomination for his Miami Vice work..." nomination is used quite a bit in this sentence, would change the last bit to "...only one for his Miami Vice work..."

NapHit (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for having a look here. I've added plainrowheaders to each of the tables, and made the change suggested in your third point. For the first point I just changed it to "his work on...", as the fact that it's a directing award makes it clear what his role was and this obviated the need for a specific verb here. GRAPPLE X 23:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)
;Comments from Crisco 1492
  • Tense pile-up: first sentence of the lede is in the present tense, but the last is (somewhat illogically, IMHO) past tense
    I changed the tense of the last sentence of the first paragraph; or was it the third paragraph (the music releases) you were after? It might need a rewrite of that paragraph to change.
    First paragraph, sorry. How's my rewrite? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good. Thanks! GRAPPLE X 02:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's with the present perfect tense? The show hasn't seen a nomination in 20 years.
    I feel a little guilty asking with an English degree but present perfect? I assume that's my awkward habit of "would go on to", etc? I've stripped a few of these out.
    "Since its debut, Miami Vice has received several award nominations", "has received seven Golden Globe Award nominations during its tenure," "Miami Vice has won two People's Choice Awards," etc. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, I see. Well, I felt that it worked in a more detached, overview-ish manner to phrase it like that; there's a sense of direct activity to use the "Miami Vice received" phrasing. If it's a problem I can strip it right out in no time. GRAPPLE X 02:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did a copyedit, please review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems good to me, though I only saw the implementation of things like non-breaking spaces. Thanks for having a look through this one for me. GRAPPLE X 02:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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