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Coca-Cola

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May be self-nomination (I fleshed out the history a little). However, I believe it's a good article -- well-organised and with good content, not to mention brilliant prose. If anybody has questions on Coke's history, I borrowed Mark Pendergrast's "For God, Country & Coca-Cola" from the library (originally for leisure, but then I realised it's an untapped gold mine for expanding the Coca-Cola article). Johnleemk|Talk 13:03, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • Support: I support only if the controversies surrounding coke are highlighted (at least, as it is now) in the article. In the name of NPOV, they should not be censored. --ganesh 15:55, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • ..."(verse) One man come in the name of NPOV / One man come and go / One man come, he to justify / One man to overthrow / (chorus) In the name of NPOV / What more in the name of NPOV?"...woah, sorry. — Matt 16:19, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • (N)POV isn't the only thing wikipedia is based on. --ganesh 15:52, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Overview needs more citations, and the list of brands needs more wikilinks. anthony (see warning) 13:14, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I've edited the page to fix this criticism, but hopefully someone with a more experienced hand can correctly wikify the Brands section - I only linked to those brands whom I recognise. Johnleemk|Talk 14:21, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • There are still a few statements there that could probably do with a citation, but I withdraw my objection. I'd also like to see an image better than Image:Cokebottles.jpg. anthony (see warning)
  • Support. A glance at the amazing list of international brands oif Coca-Cola reveals that opposition on that score is subversive comedy. My criticisms: the classic shape that made "cokebottle" an adjective is missing among illustrations; "Spin-the-bottle," the Santa Claus iconography and "Coke collectibles" need to be touched on and linked Wetman 19:33, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC).
    • Subversive comedy? We should add wikilinks to at least the articles which we already have created. anthony (see warning)
  • Object. Most of my earlier objections were solved (I removed them from this list), but this one remains: The Heatlh/Environment/Labor Controversies surrounding Coca-Cola section seems totally out of place. It just lists some facts from three events. Are these the only controversies? How did they affect the company? This needs removal or expansion.Jeronimo 08:28, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I've fleshed them out, moved the Mecca-Cola thingy to the urban legends section, and made that a subsection of the Controversies. Johnleemk|Talk 10:27, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm still not really happy with that section, so I'll hold my objection for now, even if this is only a minor issue. The "Controversies surrounding Coca-Cola"-section still only deals with separate issues. The India-controversy is worked out pretty well, but it stands a bit alone; perhaps a separate sub-section? Furthermore, "Coke has also been the subject of controversy in its relationship with unions." suggests there have been more than only the issue in Colombia, but none are listed. "The Coca-Cola company, of course, denies these accusations" is rather POV, I think. Also, little context could be provided here. Are union-troubles common for multi-nationals, or rare? But like I said, this is not a major objection Jeronimo 16:22, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • Ok, I have fleshed out the union section and split the controversies into three subsections. I have also improved a couple of other minor details and rolled back a couple of changes in the opening paragraph that I felt were detrimental to its value. Johnleemk|Talk 08:41, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I've fixed about half of Jeronimo's concerns by refactoring the article. I'll get to work on the rest of it tomorrow. Johnleemk|Talk 13:51, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I have spun out the two bottom-most lists into Coca-Cola brands and Coca-Cola slogans (they might be more suited in the singular, though). I have deleted the "Notable Employees" list as they are all mentioned in the History section. Johnleemk|Talk 09:36, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now. There's absolutely no mention of any of the company's current (and past) controversies regarding trades unions or the exhibition over here (in London) about the Coca-Cola company trading with Nazi Germany (see [1], [2] and [3], for example). For completeness, I think that at least a cursory mention would be in order. — OwenBlacker 10:47, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
    • I think I've addressed that now. Johnleemk|Talk 11:27, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I'm happy with those aspects now. I'd like to see a little more on each point, but that would prolly make it less NPOV, if I'm honest with myself. It's a good article; I support. — OwenBlacker 20:07, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. 1) The lead says, "Coca-Cola also registered a trademark on the distinctive bottle shape" — we need an image showing this shape. 2) The "History" section is pretty long; could it be broken up into two or three sections, or subsectioned? 3) Style: some of the section titles are in capital letters. 4) The related articles: Coca-Cola brands, Coca-Cola slogans should be summarised in this article (for the former, we currently mention Fanta and Sprite). 5) The lead section needs expanding to summarise the entire article >and to give some indication of its importance as a global brand. 6) Could we have some dates for the introduction of Coke variants, like Diet Coke, Coke with Lemon, etc? 7) Could we have some explicit mention of the rivalry with Pepsi? It's mentioned implicitly in various places in the article, but it would be good to have it spelled out. — Matt 11:53, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • All have been addressed (with the exception of perhaps number 4; I don't know how summarised you want them, so right now they're rather sparse since the articles themselves are quite small). Johnleemk|Talk 12:55, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Thanks for your refactoring, I think it's much improved. — Matt 13:22, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • Noticed you're still objecting though — any reason why? ;-) Johnleemk|Talk 13:34, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • Oops, sorry, misplaced tag (I'll probably try and nitpick some more tomorrow, though...!) — Matt 13:39, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. All my objections have been resolved, good work on that. I think the article has greatly improved since it was nominated, and is now worthy of being featured. Jeronimo 09:27, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Hm. I'm afraid an edit war may be brewing. User:Drbalaji_md has been making some obviously blatantly POV changes in the past few days to the article, especially to the intro paragraph. I don't want to discuss too much with him, because I'm afraid of saying things I don't mean to say. This probably isn't the right place to be putting this, but I think it's only fair since this concerns the article. The user in question has been removing some things that few other people contest (actually none; for example, the mentioning of Pepsi in the opening paragraph, and the mention of where Coke is sold beyond a general description of "nations around the world"). Besides that, I don't think bolding negative text in the opening paragraph is NPOV at all. Aren't we supposed to fight POV with NPOV, not more POV? Johnleemk|Talk 14:47, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. chocolateboy 15:31, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Zerbey 15:43, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Support - the stub sections bugged me so I combined them with larger sections. The article will one day need to be split between Coca-Cola the product and Coca-Cola the company, but I think that a combined article is OK for now. --mav 08:28, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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