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Lack of WP:NOTABILITY (if it still exists). I've just fixed about half a dozen incoming links intended for the Pakistani organisation of the same name. I suggest moving the Pakistani org to this name, and creating a redirect from Express Media Group (Australia) to the 4WD article. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG and WP:NHIST due to lack of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Relies on local accounts and primary materials, with no in-depth analysis, making it non-notable per WP:RS. Primarily of regional interest without broader historical significance. NxcryptoMessage11:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reviewing the page for Boyd's Eurobin Hotel. I would like to provide additional context and justification for why this page should remain on Wikipedia. Below are several points addressing the concerns cited in the deletion proposal:
1. Historical Significance to the Region
Boyd's Eurobin Hotel is historically significant as one of the key social and logistical hubs in northeastern Victoria during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It served as:
A halfway stop for travellers between the important regional centres of Myrtleford and Bright, contributing to the region’s transportation and economic development during the coaching era.
A gathering place for political events, community meetings, and significant public addresses, as documented in multiple historical articles from the Ovens and Murray Advertiser.
While the hotel itself no longer exists, its historical role provides insights into the development of regional Victoria during a formative period, which aligns with the purpose of Wikipedia to preserve knowledge, particularly for places that have evolved significantly or no longer exist in their original form.
2. Reliable Sources and References
The article is based entirely on reliable, independent secondary sources, specifically reputable newspapers from the time such as:
The Ovens and Murray Advertiser, a well-regarded regional publication that extensively documented events, businesses, and social life in the area.
The Yackandandah Times and The Age, providing corroborating accounts of the hotel's role in the local economy and its broader community impact.
These are historical records, which, by their nature, provide the most comprehensive and legitimate sources of information about a hotel from the 19th century. Dismissing these sources as merely "local accounts" underestimates their value as the principal historical records of the time.
3. Importance of Preserving Regional History
The page contributes to the documentation of Victoria’s regional history, complementing related pages on Eurobin, St. Clement's Church Eurobin, and the Eurobin Presbyterian Church. Together, these articles create a cohesive narrative about a once-thriving hamlet. Removing this page would leave a significant gap in understanding Eurobin’s history.
Wikipedia is often the first and only resource for regional and niche history. Deleting this page would undermine the platform’s role as a repository for diverse historical content, especially for subjects that are less well-known but still meaningful to specific regions or communities.
4. Meets Wikipedia’s Notability Guidelines for History
The article satisfies WP:NHIST by:
Establishing the hotel’s role in regional historical events, such as being a venue for political campaigns, community gatherings, and a recovery site for injured travellers.
Providing multiple, independent sources that verify the hotel's importance in its historical context.
While the subject might not have broad national or global appeal, Wikipedia policies allow for regional notability. Boyd’s Eurobin Hotel represents a significant chapter in the development of northeastern Victoria, a region rich in history but underrepresented on the platform.
5. Broader Educational Value
The page serves as an example of how small, local institutions contributed to the larger social and economic fabric of Australia during the 19th century. It adds depth to the broader historical understanding of transportation, community hubs, and rural development in Victoria.
Conclusion
I respectfully request that the page be retained, as it:
Is thoroughly referenced with reliable secondary sources.
Provides significant historical value to the Eurobin area and northeastern Victoria.
Contributes to a richer understanding of Australia’s regional history.
I am happy to address any specific points of concern and welcome suggestions for improving the page further to meet Wikipedia’s standards.
First, are any of the sources used available online and if so can you please link them? It's unclear if any of this news coverage is substantial coverage. One of the sources is "Found: A young boar pig" and another is just "Accident", so these seem to be local news briefs, not deeper substance. If the hotel is historically significant to warrant an article, I would expect retrospective histories to provide coverage, not only contemporary news articles. You say this region is "underrepresented on the platform", but it appears that's because it's underrepresented in history books, and WP:PRIMARY sources are insufficient for an article here. To be clear, being "a recovery site for injured travellers" or a venue for "community gatherings" is not a basis for notability, there are a billion such places. You say "venue for political campaigns" with plural, yet only a single event by a non-notable candidate is mentioned – There's a lot of candidates who go a lot of places but that doesn't make them notable! The owner being a secretary for a church either – not necessarily an "integral role" for even the community, much less the "region", as claimed – is irrelevant to the hotel's claim to notability, especially if only being your claim based on his archived letters rather than a historian saying so. "The property is often mentioned in the context of the town's historical significance" really couches the fact that the town generally is what's notable, not a hotel there – Eurobin#History would be a better place for this. "The establishment was a hub of activity, reflecting its importance within the Eurobin community" is not sourced. "A recurring theme in historical records" would be WP:Original research – you reviewed the records, not a historian in a published source. Besides that this section has just one source that doesn't support "recurring" or "articles", why would anyone now care that the hotel had an employee who did her job? "Its role as a community hub, coaching stop, and post office has left an indelible mark on the history of Eurobin." If it's so indelible, why aren't there any more modern sources that say so? "Today, Boyd's Eurobin Hotel exists only in historical records and memories." I think anyone with memories of it is dead now. Reywas92Talk15:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The equivalent of a telephone book listing [1] is about all I found for sourcing. Based on the long explanation above, this could potentially be notable, but we need sourcing with links to the documents if possible. I just don't see notability at this time. Oaktree b (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your detailed feedback regarding the article on Boyd’s Eurobin Hotel. I have carefully reviewed your comments and have made several updates to the article to address the issues raised. Below are my responses to the specific points mentioned:
1. Availability and Credibility of Sources
All references now include direct links to digitised articles from the National Library of Australia’s Trove database. These sources are archived and verifiable primary accounts from reputable publications such as the Ovens and Murray Advertiser and The Age. While they may be contemporary, they offer detailed and factual accounts of the hotel's significance during its operational years. These sources are widely recognised as credible in documenting regional history.
2. Significance of the Hotel
The hotel was not simply a "recovery site" or a venue for "community gatherings." Its role as a halfway house on a major coaching route between Myrtleford and Bright made it an integral part of regional transportation and commerce in the late 19th century.
The site was significant enough to remain a known landmark after its closure, as demonstrated by its use as a turning point in the 1898 Federal Cycling Club road race. This reflects its continued relevance to the community even after ceasing operations.
3. Historical Context
It is essential to preserve records of local establishments like Boyd’s Hotel as part of a broader effort to document regional history. Many small towns and hamlets, such as Eurobin, played vital roles in shaping the rural economy and culture of Victoria. Articles like this help ensure that these contributions are not forgotten.
The lack of retrospective histories on the hotel does not diminish its historical significance. Instead, it highlights the need to preserve primary records to prevent erasure of smaller, regionally significant sites.
4. Community and Cultural Impact
John Boyd’s dual role as hotel proprietor and community leader (e.g., secretary of the Presbyterian Church) underscores the interconnected nature of rural establishments and their communities. The hotel was more than a business; it was a hub for social, political, and religious activities. The records of his contributions provide a valuable lens into Eurobin’s societal structure during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
The hotel’s association with the post office further cements its role as a focal point of regional connectivity and communication.
5. Claims of Notability
The article does not rely on claims of "indelible marks" or "recurring themes" without evidence. These phrases have been adjusted or removed to align with Wikipedia's standards.
While the candidate Richard Warren may not have been notable, the mention of his campaign stop illustrates the hotel's importance as a gathering place during its time.
The article does not assert that individual roles (e.g., "Maid of the Inn") are historically significant on their own. Instead, these anecdotes enrich the narrative by providing a glimpse into daily life at the hotel, which adds depth and context.
6. Broader Historical Significance
The town of Eurobin is underrepresented on Wikipedia, and documenting sites like Boyd’s Hotel contributes to the historical tapestry of the region. While it may not hold national or international significance, its role in regional history makes it a valuable addition to the platform. Wikipedia is not solely a repository for globally significant subjects; it is also a place to preserve local and cultural histories that might otherwise be lost.
7. Modern Sources
You raise a valid point regarding the lack of retrospective analysis. However, this is precisely why articles like this are crucial. Without documentation, small yet significant historical sites risk fading into obscurity. Inclusion on Wikipedia can encourage further research and scholarship on such topics.
Conclusion I believe the article now meets Wikipedia’s guidelines for notability, with all sources properly cited and linked. Boyd’s Eurobin Hotel played an essential role in its community, and preserving its history aligns with Wikipedia's mission to provide a comprehensive and inclusive record of human knowledge. I kindly request that the updated version of the article be considered before a final decision is made.
Thank you for your time and for the opportunity to improve this entry.
Regarding "Thank you for your time". A bigger token of respect towards our time would be to not use AI to write very long-winded replies. Is that just a suspicion or did you use tools of that nature? Geschichte (talk) 19:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article fails to demonstrate relevant reliable sources or meeting of WP:GNG as to why Broden Kelly is notable in his own right as opposed to being a member of Aunty Donna. At present the vast majority of the article is a repetition of information on the article for Aunty Donna itself, which highlights the lack of notability as an individual.
The limited information sourced about him himself outside of Aunty Donna looks to be extended comments from a pair of podcast appearances, those he has an employment relationship with (such as a football club) or from his own personal social media accounts, which fail to demonstrate the requirements of reliable, third-party sources to meet notability.
WP:NOTSTATS. No evidence that this is a notable list topic. While it is verifiable, there are very few sources who pay attention to which stadiums have hosted which centuries, normally the interest is in which player/team made centuries, not where. See also these related AfDs: 1, 2, 3, 4Fram (talk) 09:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It passes WP:NLIST, with nearly 150 centuries and there are coverage on independent sources, they just haven't been added to the page. It's a case of WP:NEXIST. Vestrian24Bio (TALK)12:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I‘m not sure what is meant by RS but I have carefully assembled the albums and card lists from my own set. What is the reason for wanting to delete this page? A lot of NZ collectors use this. Tewheke (talk) 08:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:FANCRUFT. Nothing wrong with having a collection of trading cards available for all to see but unless there are significant secondary sources accompanying the content, Wikipedia is not the venue for that. Ajf773 (talk) 09:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as this is clearly not an appropriate subject for Wikipedia. This would be better hosted somewhere like a private blog. David Palmer//cloventt(talk)01:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dratify worthy subject but the article just isn't there now. Go back and work on it and see if you can get it to a point where it can justify its place here. Otherwise, sadly will have to go. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is mostly unsourced other than the company's website, and Vault.com which does not meet WP:RS, reads like promotional material, and no one has improved it since it has been tagged as requiring reliable sources in December 2022.--Almaty🦢✉✎10:39, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There's a bunch of reporting with mentions of them and reports by them, however from what I saw none of the secondary reliable sources addressed Frontier Economics directly and in-depth, therefore it appears that this article does not meet the very high bar of WP:NCORPTarnishedPathtalk11:18, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - A lot of recent press but it is all quotes about their research or reports. Nothing I can find that talks about the organization in-depth which is a requirement of WP:ORGCRIT.--CNMall41 (talk) 02:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He passes GNG because of significant coverage by different sources. Also he was a member of Iran national canoeing team (IRNA) and won the third place in Asian Canoeing Championships in 2004.(IRNA). Ali Pirhayati (talk) 10:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the pictures of hundreds of people to Wikipedia; do I have a connection to all of them!? Sometimes I try to access copyright-free pictures of the subjects for whom I created a page through emailing them. In this case too, long after I created his page, I received a copyright-free picture. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you're the copyright holder of a copyright free image that you created yourself and was supplied to you by someone you have no connection to. Makes sense. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails notability. specially that part about being a member of Iran canoeing team. he was just a member but never won anything major. the page creator claims he won a medal at the Asian Canoeing Championship and provides a source for that. but that's not correct. the source says it was the Central/West Asian Championship not the main Asian Canoeing Championships. Sports2021 (talk) 03:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No inherent notability, has little notice from independent sources. No electoral success and has been de-registered by the Australian Electoral Commission for 2 years Flat Out (talk) 23:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that this is the third nomination and that the last nomination failed to reach consensus, however the article is largely unsourced and has mostly only passing mentions in independent sources. Flat Out (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I can only find one secondary source (already in use in the article), which is reliable and which covers the party in depth. I've just read the arguments from previous AFDs and it seems that some participants in those thought that our notability guidelines should be relaxed when it comes to minor political parties. That argument has no basis in WP:PAG. TarnishedPathtalk08:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deleteor possibly Rescope, though you could argue WP:TNT in this case, I think that if the article has been nominated three times, but never got deleted, that speaks to me that this article doesn't meet quality guidelines. Madeline1805 (talk) 14:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If one time was no consensus and one time was keep - that would indicate the previous consensus in both cases was *not* to delete. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article does not meet WP:GNG, sources are comprised of 4 personal blogs, 2 subpages from the subjects website, and 1 post from a defunct small publishers community which contained the subject. No other reliable sources can be found on the subject, and searches only turn up books printed by the subject. CitrusHemlock23:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It's not difficult to find published reviews of their books. There's also some coverage of them (via an interview with their founder, but independently published) at [9]. Whether that and the existing bloggy sources amounts to GNG notability is another question. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- there are four sources fully cited in this article talking about her. They appear to be reliable, secondary, and independent sources; the two I've managed to access myself provide significant coverage and I assume the others do as well, particularly the news article in The West Australian with her name in it. That's three GNG-qualifying sources right there. Quoting, GNG is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." -- just because the sources in the article were not linked does not mean they do not exist. Whether a person seems "run-of-the-mill" is irrelevant as long as they pass GNG; and if you read the news articles which were cited in the article at the time of the nomination she does have a somewhat interesting style.
I would make this a strong keep if I could track down the URL for the West Australian article, but I can't currently. Probably searches are failing because the news source does not keep archives from 2001. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relatedly I think it will likely need to be a disambiguation page -- the kgosi while arguably more historically significant is likely much more obscure. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Ref 2 is significant (partially interview based but with more than sufficient additional coverage); ref 4 is the same author in the same source a couple of months later with a cut down para about a live appearance, so I don't give that particular weight. There's basically a paragraph of review included at De Morgen[10] (the article covers releases from multiple bands/muso )- it looks like this is the same as ref 3 since it's the only mention of her in the archives. Ref 2 (GTranslated) suggests that she has had more success in France than elsewhere, however she has hardly any appearances on French sites currently. The West Australian smells like an interview and/or a festival appearance (Kulcha was WA's multicultural arts body), but would need someone with access to the archive to check. I can't see any other reviews around for her albums including via sampling archive snapshots of her website. In the absence of additional reviews -- particularly for her other work -- I think that a case can be made that her album Dive weakly meets WP:NALBUM (the Liberation and De Morgen articles, plus two of its songs were in the soundtrack for Pretty Things (2001 film)), that her albums other than Dive are clearly non-notable, and that she does not meet WP:NMUSICIAN. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~05:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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