User talk:WeijiBaikeBianji/AnthropologyHumanBiologyRaceCitations

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Bibliography a good idea.

On the molecular front, I'd suggest at least a couple of the papers with Neil Risch showing that random SNPs can allocate race with very high concordance to self-ratings. esp. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/

Also some articles on hapmap diversity. Plus there's a very nice article showing the map of europe emerging from gene frequencies.

Bit more uncertain, but worth including some papers on selective sweeps - perhaps Zhang 2003, and Mekel-Bobrov 2007 would be helpful. http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/165/4/2063

http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/6/600.full

Thanks very much for the first suggestions to this list. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 12:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

These are some books and articles on race that I have:

• Andreasen, R., “The Meaning of ‘Race’: Folk Conceptions and the New Biology of Race,” Journal of Philosophy 102(2) (February, 2005), pp. 94–106.

• Collins and Solomos (eds.), The SAGE Handbook of Race and Ethnic Studies (SAGE, 2010).

• Cornell and Hartmann (eds.), Ethnicity and Race: Making Identies in a Changing World, 2nd Edition (Pine Forge Press, 2007).

• Daley and Onwuegbuzie, "Race and Intelligence", chapter 15 in Sternberg and Kaufman (eds.), The Handbook of Intelligence (Cambridge University Press, 2011), pp. 293–306.

• Glasgow, J., 2003. “On the New Biology of Race,” Journal of Philosophy 100(9) (September, 2003), pp. 456–474.

• Hacking, I., “Genetics, Biosocial Groups, and the Future of Identity,” Daedelus 135 (Fall, 2006), pp. 81–95.

• Hannaford, I., Race: The History of an Idea in the West (Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996).

• Hardimon, M., “The Ordinary Concept of Race,” Journal of Philosophy 100(9) (September, 2003), pp. 437–55.

• Kitcher, P., “Does ‘Race’ Have a Future?” Philosophy and Public Affairs 35(4) (Fall, 2007), pp. 293–317.

• Maglo, K., "The Case against Biological Realism about Race", Perspectives on Science 19(4) (Winter, 2011), pp. 361-390.

• Mills, C., Blackness Visible (Cornell University Press, 1998).

• Root, M., "Stratifying a Population by Race", Journal of Social Philosophy 41(3) (Fall, 2010), pp. 260–271.

• Schramm, Skinner and Rottenburg (eds.), Identity Politics and the New Genetics (Berghahn Books, 2012).

• Sesardic, N., “Race: A Social Destruction of a Biological Concept,” Biology and Philosophy 25(2) (March, 2010), pp. 143–162.

• Suzuki, Short and Lee, "Racial and Ethnic Group Differences in Intelligence in the United States", chapter 14 in Sternberg and Kaufman (eds.), The Handbook of Intelligence (Cambridge University Press, 2011), pp. 273-292.

• Zack, N. Philosophy of Science and Race (Routledge, 2002).

--Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 04:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)–

Thank you for the detailed list of suggestions. I have some more reading to do.  :) -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 16:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Bell Curve?

Hi, I'm just wondering how it's possible that you don't have The Bell Curve. It's an extremely well researched secondary source. Klortho (talk) 03:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

It's on another bibliography I keep. It's actually not very on-point for the topic of this bibliography. Thanks for the suggestion. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 03:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Which? It's not on any of the five listed here. I've looked over your lists, and I get the impression that they are horribly biased towards your POV. Which makes me a little concerned that you post links to them in the talk pages of the relevant articles. I think it's fine for you to keep your own lists, but you shouldn't advertise them as general lists of references, collaboratively compiled, when they are not. Klortho (talk) 04:43, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

What other books have you read on the topic? I read The Bell Curve when it was first published in 1994, cover to cover, and since then I've read a lot of the follow-up literature (as should be apparent from the bibliographies) and a great majority of the published professional reviews of The Bell Curve. All of the bibliographies I keep include a lot of books I have learned about in the first instance from other Wikipedians, but The Bell Curve is a book I knew well since before Wikipedia even existed. (I now own a copy that is nearby in my office as I type this.) The one issue on which I follow The Bell Curve absolutely is in referring to secular increases in IQ (the former general term in the literature) as "The Flynn Effect" (a term pioneered in The Bell Curve), and the book has other interesting ideas in it, but twenty more years of research have happened since that book was published, and I have been reading the research all that while, including other books and articles by the surviving author of The Bell Curve, Charles Murray. Oh, and to answer your question, it is listed in alphabetical order by author in my bibliography of monographs on human intelligence, among quite a few other books I have read since The Bell Curve was published. As you can see from that bibliography, the literature on that topic is vast. What aspect of this professional literature do you follow? What monographs on this topic from the twenty-first century have you been reading? I'm interested to know, because there are still many books that I have circulated from large research libraries or even have found as free downloads from online databases that I am still reading, and all the bibliographies I keep online are still due for much more expansion in the next few years. See you on the wiki. I hope you enjoy reading widely in the current literature as much as I have (and I would guess that you do, on some topic(s), from your Wikipedia user page). -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

No doubt you have read much more on this topic than I have. And, I do think these lists are impressive! Suggestion: you should add a link to the "books and other monographs" list to your main user page. Nevertheless, I stand by my comment that your lists are biased, especially in your rankings. And, these are not collaboratively compiled lists, they are tightly curated, by you. It's not an epithet, it's a tautology -- of course any list I'd create would be biased. You could make the nature of the lists more clear when you advertise them.

One other book I've read is "the g factor", and the fact that you don't have this starred, confirms my point. Cheers! Klortho (talk) 15:19, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Cavalli-Sforza

Admittedly I have read a mere five books on this subject, but I could not help but wander why the following titles were not present on your list:

• Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., P. Menozzi & A. Piazza (1992), The History and Geography of Human Genes (unabridged edition). Princeton: Princeton University Press.
• Cavalli-Sforza, L.L. (2001), Genes, Peoples and Languages. London: Penguin Group Publishing.

The second is a popular science book so it may not pass the criteria for a reliable source in ideal situations of course. But certainly the first is a foundational book for genetics, linguistics and anthropology and the relation those fields now have to racialism. Maybe worth the read? AlwaysUnite (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)