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Re: Casualties or losses?

OK, noted; I'll make the heading more inclusive. Kirill 16:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Who is Wally Tharg?

Who is Wally Tharg? I really need to know. Ickenham 1979

I don't know either. I guess from your sign-off that you were at Brunel at the same time as I ... had digs in Ickenham as well! Wally was always one of the joke candidates in union elections. (I hasten to add I didn't produce the posters, but they did make me laugh.) But when it came to choosing a nom de wiki a small bunch of neurons fired, and so it was. --Wally Tharg (talk) 10:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't at Brunel, but I did see a band play at my school in Ickenham 1979. They had "Vote Tharg" posters, and a song with a chorus of something like "Who'll vote for Wally Tharg". They were a bit Gang Of Four and a bit Rude Boy, but probably nobody. Is it all just from 2000AD?

I suspect the surname is from that series, but I assumed the posters were a Brunel thing. Maybe the band was based there. I'm sure someone will eventually identify the person who appeared on them. If anyone knows anything more, please post on this page! --Wally Tharg (talk) 08:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Question from another freediving Wikipedian

Oh my, you just resurrected an fellow Wikipedian who has not been active since 2007. Of course, I would like to help you, and I have tons of scientific material on the subject. I only don't have much time to re-learn how wikipedia works, so I would prefer single clear requests to do something.--Apneist (talk) 16:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I, also, can help you with this. Wiki4Thal (talk) 20:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

• Good luck and have fun, I will help where I can if requested, and already do a bit of patrolling. I will make a freediving navbox for Portal:Underwater diving. If there are enough articles, we can also have one for freedivers, but lets see how it goes first. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 09:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
• The navbox is now available and on the freediving page. It is not complete. Feel free to edit it until it suits the purpose. If you need help, call. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 10:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Peter, many thanks for adding the freediving navbox – I shall review and add to it. It may be that this plus a small amount of patrolling is all that's needed. The most important thing is that freediving is 'looked after' by some group, and doesn't fall into a grey area between SCUBA, extreme sports, water sports and swimming; all of these groups and projects seem to have an editorial inerest in it. --Wally Tharg (talk) 09:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

• Freediving does need someone to look after it who knows a bit about it. I do a bit of vandalism patrolling and cross referencing within the Underwater diving portal, but dont have the time or knowledge to do anything creative about the actual articles.
• A bit of background on categories: We try not to add a category if an article is in a category that is already contained in the other category. As an example, French free-divers is already within the category Free-divers, so the appropriate category for a French freediver is French free-divers only, not both. It took me a while to find this out. Categories can be a bit mysterious until you work them out, and a lot of editors never get around to it. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:03, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Friendly fire

Hello, I read your comments on the "friendly fire" article (which I'd endorse, BTW). You mentioned Karansebes, Bois de Rossignol, and Beauséjour as notorious cases; I found Karansebes but drew a blank with the other two. What were you referring to? Xyl 54 (talk) 00:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your comments. Both these incidents were between French units in 1914. At the Bois de Rossignol (22.8.1914) in the Belgian Ardennes during the Battle of the Frontiers, French colonial artillery bombarded one of their own infantry regiments, killing and wounding about 1000 soldiers. (Percin says 666 killed and 334 wounded, but this seems too 'neat' a figure to be entirely accurate.) At Beauséjour (20.12.1914) in eastern France a similar thing happened to 33 and 38 Colonial Infantry Regiments, again with around 1000 killed and wounded. Both incidents were descrbed by Alexandre Percin in his 1921 book, and (I think) discussed by Shrader. Because of the scale of the casualties they warranted inclusion in Kirke's list of the most damaging friendly fire incidents in history. (The only other known ones to score so highly for fatalities were Karansebes, Cabareta Point, Koivisto, U-333 sinking the Spreewald, and when the German destroyers Z-53 and Z-36 ran onto their own minefield in the Baltic in 1944.)

The problem is that modern incidents receive much more publicity, and are therefore easier for editors to add to the list in the article. Kirke's book has full references to all those I've quoted. However, I'm sure there must be worse ones lurking in the grey areas of Chinese and Russian military history – 'all' we need is some historians who are interested in friendly fire, and who can read Chinese and Russian. --Wally Tharg (talk) 11:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying, and for the information.

I noticed we had a page on Rossignol Wood, but that seems, now, to be about somewhere else. The other thing I found was this, about the August 1914 engagement, but it doesn’t mention a friendly fire incident, as far as I can tell (my French isn’t really up to it)

And, you mentioned Russian military history….I’m sure I read somewhere that Zhukov (at least) insisted on advancing troops staying much closer to a creeping barrage than would be countenanced by Brits or Americans in WWII; this gave a reduction in casualties from enemy fire, at the cost of higher friendly fire casualties. I think I also read that this philosophy has found its way into American military thinking now. Anyway, thanks again.. Xyl 54 (talk) 22:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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I think you can probably find enough evidence of notability for this article, so give it a go. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Shall do! I think the bar has been raised quite a bit higher for BLPs recently though. My own view is that writing 70+ respected history books and having hundreds of links in other Wiki articles speaks for itself ... --Wally Tharg (talk) 19:11, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Categories

Hi Wally Tharg, If an article is in a more specific subcategory it is preferable not to also categorise in a less specific category as this is redundant. This applies to subcategories that are entirely within another category of course, not to those with partial overlap. The case in point is Jaques Mayol. As a French free-diver he is automatically a Free-diver, so only French free-diver is needed. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Peter, thanks for the tip - I wasn't quite sure how the nested/sub-categories worked. Hopefully though the notable freedivers section is a little better after my attentions! --Wally Tharg (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, it took me some time to work it out myself.

I will go admire your craftsmanship, I need a break. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 18:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The article is looking decidedly better. It would be nice to get rid of that notice. I think if you add a short lead paragraph to ==Some notable competitive freedivers== explaining what makes them notable enough to go in that list it would do the trick. Alternatively a short comment with each name stating why the person is considered notable in this context:

For example:

• Joe Bloggs

world depth record of 200m in 2004

• A.N. Other

15 minutes static breathhold 1999

• R. Sole

First president of Alternative Apneists, 2004-2009

This would show anybody why the person is considered notable, and set the bar for future entries.

Thanks for encouragement and kind words, Peter. I'm 'getting there' as BR used to say, but finding justification for all of them will be a slow job. I've actually met some of them, but can't find definitive independent references to their achievements. All the new ones I've added do have world records or national records from large nations (e.g. UK, USA); all those I've deleted I could find no mention of them being notable at all ... but that leaves quite a few in the middle ground. It might take a bit more time, but I'm adding evidence as I come across it, e.g. on DeeperBlue. All the best, --Wally Tharg (talk) 20:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Glossary of underwater diving terminology

I have started a new glossary of underwater diving terminology for any terms particular to any form of underwater diving and related matters. Feel free to go add anything that you think might be helpful about freediving. As it is a glossary it is a good place for subjects that are more than just a dictionary definition, and less than an article, though just because something is worthy of an article doesnt mean it shouldnt get an entry in the glossary. Also a good place to explain jargon, slang, regional expressions etc.

You are welcome to try your hand with the definition template formatting in the glossary, or just stack up the items in the pending list on the talk page. Where possible include a suitable description/definition. If it is linked to a referenced WP article, there isn't a need for heavy citation in the glossary, but a reference is useful for what most people would consider obscure terminology. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 18:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Peter, shall have a look once I've 'given the treatment' to WW1 in Togoland and the Cameroons. --Wally Tharg (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, mea culpa ... but if I thank a 'Bot, will a living breathing human being ever read the message? Actually I've just found out (from Wikipedia) that Gwent is now defunct for the second time, and we’re back to calling it Monmouthshire. This was the area I was attempting to refer to, so no need for a disambiguation. --Wally Tharg (talk) 08:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks – have rectified. I’ve redirected the link to human swimming rather than the sport, as noseclips are more often used by fitness and recreational swimmers. --Wally Tharg (talk) 21:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Turkey is not in Europe

So since my last message was removed for being too "vulgar" and attacking wally tharg. i'll say this as nicely as i can. turkey is not in europe so please get it right. it is definitely! not in southern europe. turkey is in the middle east(asia) or west asia, only 3% is further than west asia but no way is it in europe. you could however say, it is NEAR east europe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.74.199.31 (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, no offence taken – this was a long time ago. I’m afraid I got a bit irritated with another IP user, and tried to clarify things according to what I thought was correct geographically, without inferring anything politically. Turkey is clearly a ‘grey area’ in this respect, split (like Russia) between the two continents, and with strong links to Europe (e.g. in NATO) but at present outside the EU. We have similar controversies in the British Isles, between political entities and biogeographical ones. --Wally Tharg (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Please help define small lepidopteran

Talk:Colias_hyale#.22Small.22_is_an_unhelpful_term_--_there_are_plenty_of_smaller_butterfliesViren (talk) 11:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy editViren (talk) 11:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem! --Wally Tharg (talk) 12:02, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Apologies, assumed it was just a typo. --Wally Tharg (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries. Hamish59 (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi - Many thanks for your recent edit. Do you have a page number from Carter's book that can be inserted? Dormskirk (talk) 11:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Yep ... p.266 ... shall do so shortly! --Wally Tharg (talk) 12:22, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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