Truth4all

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Were in the Human Rights Watch report does it say thousand have been killed?[1] Can you please cite the page number so I can verify the claim. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hi, you've been reverted here [2]... see WP:BURDEN and explain your edit. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I have provided a number of citations not just the HRW report you have mentioned including other reports from HRW, amnesty international, UNCHR and others. These are only few of the reports from the said organisations and you might want go through the rest on their websites. The human right abuses by Indian security forces are widely documented and established by human right organisations. Thousands of Kashmiris have been killed with some reports estimating upto 100,000 and majority allegedly by Indian security forces. In addition the discovery of mass graves now numbering over 6000 in only few districts are filled with thousands of Kashmiris allegedly killed by Indian security forces in enforced disappearances and false encountersTruth4all (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Discuss on the article talk page rather than edit warring.--DBigXray 16:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Read WP:RS you cannot use Op-Eds for statements of fact. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Why are you ignoring a large number of reports from various human right organisations which are clear about the extent of human right abuses by the Indian security forces.Truth4all (talk)

Why are you not replying to my original question? Which page on the HRW report does it say 1000's have been killed? Darkness Shines (talk) 10:09, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Please note the HRW report quote "When violence first erupted in 1990, hundreds were killed in indiscriminate firing on demonstrations. Indian security forces chose to quell the rebellion with unrestrained force, detaining people at will and torturing them in custody - leading to “disappearances” and custodial deaths" [3]. Besides as I have said earlier there is not just a single report but many others describing grave human right abuses by Indian security forces describing killings of kashmiris as well the discovery of mass graves filled with thousands of Kashmiris which justifies the statement.Truth4all (talk) 13:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Please read WP:INDENT Again, were in the HRW report does it say thousands have been killed by the security forces? Or on the Amnesty page you cited[4] or this HRW cite you used[5] Darkness Shines (talk) 13:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

The quote is from the HRW source [6] which states that "hundreds" were killed by indiscriminate firing on demonstrations besides dissappearance and custodial deaths. In addition there are reports of thousands in mass graves allegedly killed by security forces.

The source says "hundreds killed" yet you wrote thousands[7] You wrote "thousands" disappeared yet the source you used says[8] 300 since 1990, were are you getting the thousands from? Darkness Shines (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

The source said hundreds killed in indiscriminate "firing on protesters"[9].Besides many more have died in custodial killings, fake encounters and enforced disappearnces estimated to be in thousands [10]. As I keep repeating please go through the numerous other reports available besides the ones mentioned (to avoid citation overkill), like these recent ones from HRW[11] and amnesty[12] which state unlawful killing, torture and dissappearance of "thousands" of Kashmiris.Truth4all (talk) 04:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hi, please keep the content discussion to the article talk instead of user talk so that the users watching the page can keep tabs. That's the proper venue generally. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

September 2012

Hello, I'm Mrt3366. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. The removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?) (New section?)} 09:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
<div style="font-size:1.5em"> [Striked by Mrt3366 at 09:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)]

@Mrt3366 you have been reverted because you have made major edits without discussing on talk page. Please discuss on the article talk page rather than edit warring. Please See WP:BURDEN and explain your edits.Truth4all (talk) 03:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. SudoGhost 04:46, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

@SudoGhosh well I thought as per the wikipedia policy the burden lies on the editor making changes and that is not me. Mrt3366 has not discussed any of the edits he has made on the talk page at allTruth4all (talk) 08:50, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

The burden does not lie on editors making changes, WP:BURDEN is about the removal of unsourced content, it has nothing to do with content disputes. I didn't see any unsourced content being added, so WP:BURDEN doesn't apply. It can also be said that you have also not discussed any of the edits; if you disagree with the edits, then please discuss them on the talk page and explain why you disagree with the edits. - SudoGhost 08:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• @Truth4all,
  see WP:SHOUT do not use big / bold fonts, that's unnecessary. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?) (New section?)} 09:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Please specify where the bold fonts are, I am not aware of any.Truth4all (talk) 10:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I am talking about the <div style="font-size:1.5em"> you placed, didn't you do it in order to make your font appear larger? Please talk on my talk page, because it's not about the article so much as it's about the allegations hurled against me. Discuss with me. You are not even interested in listening to what I have to say in my defense. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?) (New section?)} 10:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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talk to me and let's discuss. You cannot have it both ways where at one time you blame me for not discussing and then ignore my repeated invitation to discuss. Talk to me. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?) (New section?)} 10:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I will be more than happy to discuss on the talk page of the article once you explain your edits there, rather than your talk page so that the other editors are also aware.Truth4all (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

"explain your edits there" - I have already done so in my edit summaries and my talk page. And don't worry once we come to a conclusion there, I promise you, I will move the discussion to the article talk page. It's just that I don't think your bad-faith allegations merit a full-fledged discussion anywhere other than my talk page. Also pay heed to SudoGhost's comment. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?) (New section?)} 10:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Please do not assume bad faith ABF, I have not "hurled allegations" but rather asked you to discuss on talk page before making changes. Providing edit summaries is not enough while making major edits in hot topics like this oneTruth4all (talk)

You said I am edit warring which I am not, that's seems like a serious accusation, believe it or not. I will try not to reply here perhaps you don't want to concur with anything I say. I will leave this page alone until my input is required. Bye. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?) (New section?)} 12:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)