User talk:Tóraí/Archive/Archive 10

Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request

Greetings. Because you participated in the August 2013 move request regarding this subject, you may be interested in participating in the current discussion. This notice is provided pursuant to Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

OOo/AOO

Cheers! I've been working on this one for a while. There's a lot of contention on the legitimacy of the AOO project versus LO and the original OOo, as the extensive contention on the talk pages and their archives, and out there in the big world of sources (I've literally read everything I can find from the past 13 years in several languages) will show. Lots of fanboys on both sides. I am most heartened to see more participation - I want these articles to be as absolutely good and useful to the reader as they can be - David Gerard (talk) 20:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're being naive or simply jumping the gun, but as long as there's an open RfC, there is still potential for discussion. Please don't assume anything at this point. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute closed

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Hitmonchan (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed.
2. IFreedom1212 (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed.
3. Tarc (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed.
4. Josh Gorand (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed.
5. Baseball Bugs (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed. He is also topic banned from all pages (including biographies) related to leaks of classified information, broadly construed.
6. David Gerard (talk · contribs) is admonished for acting in a manner incompatible with the community's expectations of administrators (see #David Gerard's use of tools).
7. David Gerard (talk · contribs) is indefinitely prohibited from using his administrator permissions (i) on pages relating to transgender people or issues and (ii) in situations involving such pages. This restriction may be first appealed after six months have elapsed, and every six months thereafter.
8. The standard discretionary sanctions adopted in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Sexology for (among other things) "all articles dealing with transgender issues" remain in force. For the avoidance of doubt, these discretionary sanctions apply to any dispute regarding the proper article title, pronoun usage, or other manner of referring to any individual known to be or self-identifying as transgender, including but not limited to Chelsea/Bradley Manning. Any sanctions imposed should be logged at the Sexology case, not this one.
9. All editors, especially those whose behavior was subject to a finding in this case, are reminded to maintain decorum and civility when engaged in discussions on Wikipedia, and to avoid commentary that demeans any other person, intentionally or not.

For the Arbitration Committee, Rschen7754 01:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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Edit conflict

I presume you guessed that removing your post was a consequence of the edit conflict and that I was unaware of it until it was too late. Apologies anyway. Scolaire (talk) 09:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Defence Forces again

I sincerely hope that you're not going to start edit-warring on the talk page in lieu of edit-warring on the article. The question I asked was whether both versions should be included. You have not disputed (and how could you) that Fórsaí Cosanta is an Irish version of the English name, therefore there is no way the question was not neutral. If you want to argue that only the "name" is permitted, do so in the survey and/or discussion, not in the section heading. Scolaire (talk) 09:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

RfC should be phrased neutrally. The nub of the RfC is whether Fórsaí Cosanta is a name for the Defence Forces. Reliable sources say it is not. The you put forward presupposes that Fórsaí Cosanta is an version of the name. --Tóraí (talk) 11:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

You will see that I did not interfere with your edit of the question. The change to the section heading had the effect of making it consist only of an Irish phrase, which would discourage anybody who doesn't speak Irish from participating in, or even trying to follow, the RfC.

Once and for all, the nub of the RfC is NOT whether Fórsaí Cosanta is a name for the Defence Forces. It is whether Fórsaí Cosanta should be included in brackets. The "name" question is a bee in your own bonnet, which you are at liberty to address in the RfC, but is not the question I am asking. I am asking whether Fórsaí Cosanta, which is a version of the English "Defence Forces", should be included along with Óglaigh na hÉireann, which is another version. That question is succinctly put in the section heading. Scolaire (talk) 16:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Declined speedy.

Given that you declined speedy deletion on Prime Time: Charity Anthology, you might want to look at the author's other contributions: After Dark: Charity Anthology. My guess would be that it would work best to add it to the single AFD you have created. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying they shouldn't be deleted. I'm just declining to speedy delete it. A single AfD sounds like a good idea. --Tóraí (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Good Friday Agreement

A Thóraí, a chara,

You reverted my edits to British-Irish Council because the language should be according to British standards.

However, the work I did on that (and many other) pages is to remove redirects. Your reversion brought us back to redirects.

I suggest that if the issue remains, it should be addressed by moving the page at issue. At worst, you could simply add the names with piping, although if your argument is correct you should not do that but rather request/make a page move.

We should definitely not keep redirects as-is, however.

Yours, Áine the Ogress

Áine, thanks for your comment.

There's no need to "fix" redirects (see here). Redirects exit for many reasons and changing them changes the text of article. For example, "fixing" redirects may change the spelling of a word from one variety of English to another (e.g. "organisation" → "organization") or it may change a more appropriate choice of language to a less appropriate term (e.g. "British-Irish Agreement" → "Good Friday Agreement").

The title of articles do not always match up with the language or spelling we want to use in articles. For example, the title of the article on international organizations is spelt with a "z". But in an article written in British English, it would be spelt with an "s" (so there would be a redirect).

In other cases, redirects link to articles about related topics and it is inappropriate to exchange one term for another. The article on the Belfast Agreement is at Good Friday Agreement (because that is the common name for the agreement). Meanwhile, the British-Irish Council was set up under the British-Irish Agreement, which was an outcome of the overall Belfast Agreement. And it's not accurate to simply exchange one term for another. --Tóraí (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Someone from NI

I was reading over the talkpage and what you said about "Irish" being the correct term and a smile came to my face, when I rememberedBBC's "Irish" football coverage, it mainly deals with "Northern Irish" football. Then my own stupidity of failing to remember the Irish Football Association and former Irish league. Next time slap me with a trout Tóraí, and give me a strong coffee. Murry1975 (talk) 11:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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Somme losses

I think they were the right way round but I've forgotten which source they were from and haven't found it yet....Keith-264 (talk) 08:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

It strange because the numbers appears to match the final estimates - but in reverse. I wouldn't know where to begin looking, so I'll leave you to it :-) --Tóraí (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going contend, but really, it's nothing to do with the lack of sources

I cited numerous sources that suggest "western Europe" is more common. That alone, without any reason for preference of "north-western Europe", is enough. I don't think that 7 editors, opposing with no reasoning is consensus. It's just fuckery really. Unbelievable. Rob (talk | contribs) 23:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

You made a reasoned argument based on your own observation of maps. A source is someone else (published) saying the UK isn't in northern Europe. Don't take it to heart. --Tóraí (talk) 23:47, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Rockall

The boat in your picture is almost invisible unless you open up the picture separately! --Brookie :) { - he's in the building somewhere!} ^(Whisper...) 16:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that's the Irish navy for you. Silent. But deadly. There could be an Irish navel vessel floating around your house right now, asserting sovereignty over your downstairs loo, and you mightn't even know it.

In any case, it's a hi-res picture of the rock. And an interesting photograph to see Ireland asserting ownership of the rock or (more likely IMO) defying the British claim. --Tóraí (talk) 18:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

An edit summary you should read

It is this one[1]. What did I say- Trying to inject humor here. I also gave[2] Tryptofish a kitten a few hours later. Your assessment of me is very far off....William 12:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as a reader, I (and presumably others) only saw your remark as posted. If it was meant as a joke, fine. Humour is important. But it fell flat. Even seeing your edit summary, it didn't work as a joke IMO. It reads like you were jeering Tyrpto rather than trying to defuse the exchange. But I'm happy to accept you at your word, if that's not what you meant. --Tóraí (talk) 15:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Advice re 3RR?

With this edit and this one, 92.11.xxx.xxx has "avoided" violating 3RR twice. Unfortunately, I don't know the appropriate procedure for a dynamic IP. Can you tell me how to bring it to the noticeboard / bring it to the noticeboard yourself? Thanks. Scolaire (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Here you go: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Simplest action is to IP protect the article for what every period the person would be blocked for 3RR. Unfortunately, that has a side effect of blocking all IP edits. --Tóraí (talk) 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Scolaire (talk) 21:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Rockall Bank dispute

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5Bengal

Many thanks. Shortly before you blocked him he blanked most of History of Islam. Moonraker (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

EU-Ukraine relations

Can you have a look at Ukraine–European Union relations too? It needs clarification for non-EU/non-Soviet audiences as well. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 04:53, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Luasog down?

The site http://luasog.sourceforge.net/ seems to be down. Is there a new project homepage? Greetings Stephan Kulla (talk) 12:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Stephan Kulla, I took down the project page following a clean up of my code projects. Since writing the framework originally there has been many new ideas in JavaScript and related technologies. I will re-configure the original code with these developments in mind and put up a new project page on GitHub over the next few weeks.

I'll ping you when that happens. --Tóraí (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your answer! Stephan Kulla (talk) 06:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia ROI

Hi Tóraí

Thanks for your message, I've spoken to Wikimedia UK who are very happy to assist people setting up WMROI (I'm guessing it would be called?). The best person to contact is Jonathan.Cardy@Wikimedia.org.uk I'm not sure if he's sent an email yet introducing himself.

Mrjohncummings (talk) 09:59, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

OMG facepalm. And wikimedia/arbcom doesnt have a bias.... Murry1975 (talk) 10:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Mrjohncummings, thanks. I've been in contact with some people and Jonathan's name was mentioned. I'll drop him a line.

Murry1975, I presume you would prefer a Wikimedia British Isles? :o) --Tóraí (talk) 18:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia Ireland, thats where its at. :)))) Murry1975 (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sfan00 IMG, seriously. All of the components are PD. Attribution is not required. --Tóraí (talk) 22:32, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Well thanks for adding for the confirmation :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Can I ask you a favour?

Hi. Could I ask you, as an uninvolved editor, to formally close this discussion? It's been open for over seven days, and it's pretty well ended for the last five days, but as long as it's not formally closed anyone can make another post, like this one, and prevent it from being archived. Thanks in advance. Scolaire (talk) 07:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done despite possible involvement due to clear consensus. --Tóraí (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That's why I asked you to close it as an uninvolved editor (i.e. not involved in the discussion), not as an admin. Thanks for doing it. Scolaire (talk) 09:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

•  Done --Tóraí (talk) 21:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Ireland

Back in early 2010 you helped bring this to GA but I see that linkrot has set in so almost 10% of the inline citations were marked as dead. I've fixed about half but could do with some assistance to bring the rest up to date. Some are totally unavailable so the prose may need to be rewritten with new citations or updated if you can find something reliable. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Belfast, which is under FAR, (actually it has been delisted despite only 8 days notifiation on the appropriate geographic projects) needs a lot of help and I am not sure I am up to the task on my own. Thanks. ww2censor (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

ww2censor, I probably won't be able to work on any of these over the immediate few days, but I'll start putting some time into them from next week onwards and we can see what we can do to get them back into shape. --Tóraí (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I've rerun Checklinks on Ireland and revised all the problem citations plus added a few new ones. Maybe with some work this could be brought up to FA but some information needs updating. What do you think? Belfast has been demoted but might be rescued if some work was done. Thanks for any help you can give. ww2censor (talk) 10:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Irish derived place name

Hi Tóraí. Why did you create Template:Irish derived place name in 2010 when there was a pre-existing three-year-old template called Template:Irish place name? They appear to do the same thing and the documentation text is identical, so having two templates creates confusion by causing research to work out "What's the difference? What's the point? Which should I use? Is there actually any difference? If not, why are there two?". Unless there is a good reason for having two, I think the newer one ought to be deleted to spare editors wasting their time trying to parse some subtle difference, if there even is one. On the other hand, if there is actually an important difference and both templates are justified, then the documentation for both should provide a clear differentiation to guide editors. Thank you. — O'Dea (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the "derived" template was created for Northern Ireland. The argument was that there is no designated Irish-language for, say Strabane. So, having an intodocution like: "Strabane (Irish: Srath Bán)..." was controversial. At the same time, value was seen in giving the Irish-language name if the place name was derived from Irish. So "Strabane (from Irish: Srath Bán)..." was acceptable.

Maybe a better solution would be to move these to Template:Ireland place name and Template:Northern Ireland place name. --Tóraí (talk) 20:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I am confused by your reply. If Strabane, for example, had no Irish name, then why would one be ascribed to it using your template? That would simply be inventing an etymology. But if the name of the town was derived from Irish, why would using the original template cause offence? I will read your reply again to see if I'm missing a nuance. — O'Dea (talk) 00:18, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The question not whether there is an Irish-language name for, say, Strabane. The question relates to the status of Irish in Northern Ireland. In the Republic of Ireland, as you know, Irish is an official language. In Northern Ireland it is not.

The approach taken was, where a place name was derived from Irish (most places), we would give the Irish as "derived from" in the first sentence. Otherwise, we would give the Irish-language name in the body of the article. See the more detailed guide in the manual of style. --Tóraí (talk) 09:22, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

There are no 'official languages' in the UK (which includes Northern Ireland. The Gaelic language (also known as Irish Gaelic or simply Irish) is a recognised minority language in Northern Ireland. The dialect spoken there is known as Ulster Irish. Legal protection for the language in Northern Ireland stems largely from the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. (REF.:https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Irish_language_in_Northern_Ireland)Ériugena (talk) 15:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Garda controversy talk page

Your contribution to Talk:2014 Garda Síochána controversy today was a great deal less confrontational than your previous one, and for that I thank you. Nevertheless, I'm going to withdraw from the discussion. I wasn't all that committed in the first place. I offered an opinion on WT:IE that the articles ought to be merged, then found I had been given the job. You clearly know how you want to proceed, so I'll leave you a clear field. Good luck. Scolaire (talk) 15:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Scolaire, I don't really know how I want to proceed. I don't have any design. (And if I ever come across as confrontational to you, I don't mean to. We butt heads but otherwise I've also considered you a good colleague.)

I think you're right that there is potential for a controversies article. I would worry that it could be a bit OR-ish because I think there's few sources that treat the controversies as one. But, the 2014 resignation of the Minister for Justice and Garda Commissioner was significant.

I also think you are spot on to merge the whistle blowers bios in a single article. And you are right that the Guerin Report did not include Wilson, so it is not an suitable page for a merge (contrary to what I initially suggested).

So, don't leave me a clear field. I think we often tease out complex situations through our "confrontations". --Tóraí (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I was trying to tell you in as nice a way as possible that I found your initial post unpleasant in the extreme. The fact that you talk about "coming across" as confrontational rather than being confrontational shows that you are not aware of just how unpleasant your posts can be. I can't be on the same talk page as you, it's as simple as that. Whatever you do, I'm not going to visit that page again. I'm glad if you found my response useful, but I have nothing more to add, and I have completely lost interest in the subject. Scolaire (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

@Scolaire: Was it this post you found unpleasant in the extreme? Or another one? Genuinely, I want to know so that I can improve the way I come across/am. --Tóraí (talk) 09:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

That one, with all its shouty bolds, including "delete this article", but also this one, which angrily puts down an opinion of mine, after I have retracted it and said that I am happy to see the article kept. This one was not particularly conciliatory either. The general impression created by all the posts is of annoyance at an ignorant and disruptive editor, who has to have things spelled out to him like a ten-year-old child. While I'm here, you said some things to me above, like "I think you're right that there is potential for a controversies article" and "I also think you are spot on to merge the whistle blowers bios in a single article. And you are right that the Guerin Report did not include Wilson, so it is not an suitable page for a merge (contrary to what I initially suggested)." This should have been posted on the article talk page, for the benefit of the participants, and to go some way towards correcting the negative picture you painted of me. Instead it looks as though I'm standing in the corner wearing my dunce's hat. Scolaire (talk) 10:22, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@Scolaire:

That one, with all its shouty bolds, including "delete this article", ...

The reason for all the bolds was because I didn't simply oppose the merger. I opposed some of it. Supported other parts of it. And then proposed to delete another article. We do normally bold !votes midsentence. That's all that was. No offence intended.

...angrily puts down an opinion of mine, after I have retracted it and said that I am happy to see the article kept.

OK. Fair enough. I should have acknowledged that you had already retracted it. What I had intended to convey was that, irrespective of whether the articles were to be merged or not, if you don't think the subject of any of these articles is notable then you could submit it for AfD.

In any case, no offence intended. I decided not to reply to your response because I could see my comment was being taken up aggressively and I didn't want to give heat to an angry discussion.

This should have been posted on the article talk page, for the benefit of the participants, ...

I agree. When I replied above I weighed up the possibility of moving this entire conversation to the talk page for that reason but I decided not to until we had worked out our (personal?) differences here. I would be glad to move them into a more public light now? Or make another post to the same effect?

... the negative picture you painted of me. ... it looks as though I'm standing in the corner wearing my dunce's hat.

I hope I have not painted a negative picture of you. And I don't think I have. That's never the impression I have of you and I don't believe anyone else has that impression of you either.

I am very sorry that I made you think that's how I or anyone would perceive you. And I would be very happy to post the comment above (about how you are right) to the talk page to underline that. --Tóraí (talk) 10:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

You have to understand that I am not concerned with "what you wanted to convey". I am concerned only with how you attempted to convey it whatever it was you did want to convey, and its effect on me, which was quite literally to ruin my entire day. You asked me to clarify what my problem was because "genuinely, you wanted to know so that you could improve the way you come across/are." If you then try to explain or excuse what you said, why you bolded etc., it defeats the whole purpose. If you genuinely want to improve the way you come across, have a read of this vote and this one to see how other people supported some parts of it and opposed other parts without criticising, and without coming across as confrontational. And in particular have a careful read of this post, where the poster acknowledged my point of view, then patiently and tactfully explained why his view was different from mine, without ever criticising mine. The result was that I immediately and unhesitatingly agreed with him and changed my stance. Then compare it with yours: regardless of your intention, it was insulting to tell a user of long standing that they can submit an article for AfD, especially when I had already specifically said that I intended to do so.

Yes, I would like you to copy all of your positive comments from here to the appropriate place on the article talk page. There is no need to copy anything else. I would also like you to refactor your vote: (a) to make it look more reasonable and (b) to take account of the fact that you are no longer convinced the article should be deleted. You might also consider striking the "submit those articles for AfD" comment, as it adds nothing to the discussion in my view. Don't bother to reply to this. I have no more desire to keep up an argument with you here than to keep up the argument there. Scolaire (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

"I am concerned only with how you attempted to convey it..." And my point is that that is not how I attempted to convey it. TBH Scolaire, you could take some of your own advice and assume good faith.

I'll post a comment on the talk making clear where we agree. --Tóraí (talk) 16:29, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm confused

I'm not exactly sure what you are doing with this edit. Don't know if you wanted to remove the entire proposal or just some of it. Bgwhite (talk) 21:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I meant to remove the template but looks like I only removed part of it. Fixed now. Thanks, --Tóraí (talk) 12:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Population of Ireland since 1600

I am very interested in the graphic of the population of Ireland from 1600. What is the source of the data used in this plot? sincerely, Richard Milner Cambridge, MA, USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.4.2.1 (talk) 19:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Fortunately, I was a good student that day and recorded the sources! See here: File talk:Population of Ireland since 1600.png. Thanks for your interest, --Tóraí (talk) 18:39, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Bebuzee

It is literally the same article re-posted, it is the original work of the sock, right? Please see WP:EVASION, viz, "Anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a block, without giving any further reason and without regard to the three-revert rule. This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a blocked editor (obviously helpful changes, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert. Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a blocked editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they can show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits. New accounts which engage in the same behavior as a banned editor or blocked account in the same context, and who appear to be editing Wikipedia solely for that purpose, are subject to the remedies applied to the editor whose behavior they are imitating." To me, this means delete (and block) it even if it is a proxy editor. Surely it must be the original (massive) sockfarm or a proxy, if it is an SPA posting the same article. Thanks. Logical Cowboy (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I deleted it per WP:DUCK. --Tóraí (talk) 08:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Adult Match Maker

The article you deleted and salted wasn't similar to the version of the article that went through AfD, and was considerably more well-sourced. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The Drover's Wife, the article was re-created on 25 June 2014 and again 21 August 2014 by the same user with essentially he same content. This was after it had already been deleted for notability concerns on 11 June 2014.

If you believe the article deserves to be kept, please see what you can do about it. The administrator you should contact in this case is Joe Decker. He/she was the administrator who closed the original deletion discussion and did the original deletion. --Tóraí (talk) 09:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Projecis work

Hi, i see that you deleted my page "Projecis", ¿could you restore it to my andbox so I can work on it? Thanks a lot :_) Iooiuioi (talk) 10:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Iooiuioi, sure thing. It's now here: User:Iooiuioi/sandbox.

Some advice, though, the article was subject to two deletion discussions: here and then here again. I have no opinion on it's suitability for inclusion and in time it may survive a discussion. However, in the mean time, you might want to consider other wikis and give it go a here again in six to 12 month's time.

Please don't try and re-created the article unilaterally in the mean time. Thanks, --Tóraí (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Happy adminship anniversary!

Wishing Tóraí/Archive/Archive 10 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Anastasia [Missionedit] (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Indigenous demographics on Republic of Ireland page

I hope you understand why I reversed your reversal of my edit. The scientific papers of 2010 and 2014 outdate and disprove the 2006 paper you quoted. Scientific fact is true until disproven by new facts, so in 2006 I would have agreed with that paper 100%.PatrickGuinness (talk) 10:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I've replied on the ROI talk page. --Tóraí (talk) 09:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Schmauser Article

Hi Tóraí - I may have inadvertently caused an edit conflict earlier. I saw your comments about "good faith" right around the time I was posting. It has somehow disappeared. Maybe I wasn't supposed to see it? Anyway - from what I read, I do appreciate your support as I never intended to violate any rules but felt unjustifiably accused of plagiarism (which as an academic is a huge insult) and that same person questioned the translation. I am certified by the federal government to translate German so that too sent me into a spin. Perhaps the two facts combined to send me over the edge. That's still no excuse for my behavior. I apologized on the Administrators Edits page where this discussion is taking place for my behavior but I think that this should reciprocated by that certain editor as do you from what I saw. I shall try my best to be less abrasive in the future. You may need to repost your original reply as a result of the ironic synchronicity of timing in our edits. V/R --Obenritter (talk) 23:29, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I've restored my comment on the ANI page. And I think it would be best if the other editor reciprocated too. That might happen. --Tóraí (talk) 23:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Tongue in cheek comment. But just in case you still dont get my sense of humor.

Murry1975 (talk) 13:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

WMF Ireland

Hello Tóraí, have you seen that WMF De is getting six million euros per year to run their projects, and asking for another 1.5$US? Isn't that ridiculous? But what it also is, is a reminder that WMF Ireland could have a hand in that pot, not just because it is a pot, but how do they justify these expenses and, if they do justify them, surely Ireland should have a something that they can justify too.

• For one, there is a whole project around bias and integration which is central to all Irish topics but is loosely defined.

• Irish history, then, from before a couple hundred years ago, though some topics are in depth, most are sort of rustic and edited only in passing.

• Photography, so many underphotographed relics and icons, both human and material, and some other stuff, unphotographed.

And things like this seem to be the things that people are getting many thousands towards projects for. Why don't you throw in a proposal for something? I am not saying I feel led by you, but that you seem reasonable and interested for rolling this ball (who else will roll it except the one who wants to?)

To get you going, if you can get money for petrol, a DSLR+tripod, and sandiwches along the way maybe, I'll go anywhere on the island to take photographs (I enjoy it) and make sure I hunt out what there is to be photographed, and make a portfolio of each subject to some pre-arranged standards and goals such as getting a snap of every town and village, every interesting natural and prehistoric features etc.

If you can get a paid researcher into Irish history, just go around the tireless contributors, focus who are not so confrontational, who are good with GA and FA, and offer them a temporary wage to focus and refine their hobby (everybody is looking for a job these days, and if you can't find a homogenous contributor, you'll find someone from the UK or the US and surely over six months knock out a few dozen GAs with some focused quality editors).

I don't know what to suggest about bias structuring, but it is there and as regards sexual and racial biases, professionals are being hired in from outside the wiki to evaluate and advise about structure and methods so, although I prefer that to be structured in house, it's what people are doing in other parts of the wiki.

And those are just my ideas, but there is a carrot up there now, and you were looking for one, and surely these three things as well as others could do with some focus. If you can bag that support, I'm sure it can be used to promote quality and interest, ~ R.T.G 13:38, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

All great ideas, RTG. And on the WMF De getting six million euros, I'd prefer to see it going there - on the ground with Wikimedians, like you propose - than get swallowed up in some other WMF vanity projects.

Do you know that there is a weekly WMF Ireland meeting by video every week? The next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, 29 October at 6pm. If you would like to attend the meeting via Google Hangouts, send an email to wikimediaireland(at)gmail.com. See the minutes of the last meeting here: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaie/2014-October/000241.html

The first steps being taken to setting up an official Wikimedia Ireland is to set up an officially-recognised user group. AFAIK we can then start doing stuff officially and are on the road to being able to apply for funding. Wikimedia UK are helping us out on this.

Join in on a meeting! It sounds like you have lots of ideas to contribute! --Tóraí (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I think I am on that mailing list (so it might help to read it) but yeah I'll try to check out the hangout thanks. I went to meta and saw that WMIreland was on the list for five months, so I asked the relevant committee (AFFCOM?) if this was long and wether it would be going on 2016 before the project was getting support. Apparently approval is reviewed in the application process and then it's just a formality, so five months seems to mean the page has been overlooked for a while or something, and that's my excuse if it turns out to have a negative connotation or anything! You might find some more support on ga.wiki if you haven't already done that ~ R.T.G 13:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Please see [3]. apparently there is no application for a WMF Ireland. ~ R.T.G 02:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland v Southern Ireland

I don't agree that the discussion in Republic of Ireland talk entitled Southern Ireland pertaining to the name of the Republic of Ireland should have been closed at this stage. I opened the discussion because I felt the term Southern Ireland was more apt then Republic of Ireland. There were still many issues needing to be explained and resolved. I was trying to put my arguments as clear as possible but you closed the discussion before anyone had time to address my last points. Here is an extract from the last entries:

The claim at the top of this section was Many people from the Republic of Ireland refer to themselves as being from "Southern Ireland". Anyone may speak or write of "southern (Anywhere)"- southern Europe/ England/ Wales/ France/ Normandy... In the particular case of Ireland, we must look to context: does a person using "southern" mean someplace south but not west of the territory forming part of the UK known as Northern Ireland? Or somewhere south of a line bisecting the island approxmately north and south, say below or above Dublin in the east and Galway Bay in the west? Or the parts of the island called Leinster and Munster? Whatever may be the context, it has no bearing on the article if there is no source showing the results of a reliable survey about the manner in which the term is actually used by the population, among themselves and when outside Ireland. Qexigator (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Murry1975 and Qexigator. There is a big difference "Southern Ireland" is a proper name. The Southern in the name Southern Ireland has nothing to do with the compass. It has a capital S. Southern Ireland was the name given to the 26 counties when the partition happened. I gave examples earlier. If somebody says they are from West Virginia they mean the state of West Virginia, not the the west part of the state of Virginia. If somebody is from County Donegal they will not say they are from Northern Ireland with a capital N, even though the most northerly part of Ireland is in the county of Donegal which is in Southern Ireland.

Unfortunately even with proper names things can become confusing. For example South in respect to Ireland can mean the European Parliament constituency not just the Republic of Ireland. I feel the name Ireland should be reserved for the whole island. AlwynJPie (talk) 21:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC) AlwynJPie (talk) 22:58, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate that, Alwyn, but the discussion was far too unfocused to be constructive. In this particular case too, the suggestion you were making suggestion (to merge Republic of Ireland to Southern Ireland) has a snowballs chance (sorry!).

In particular, however, discussion of how to handle the names of articles to do with Ireland is something that is under a ruling of the Arbitration Committee. This is because it is something that has led to very heated and very unconstructive fighting between editors in the past. For that reason, we very tightly monitor discussion in this areas in order to prevent passionate feelings (not your!) spilling out into unconstructive and divisive discussion.

It was for all of these reasons that I cut the discussion off.

You shouldn't take that as something to put you off contributing - you're welcome here. There was nothing wrong with your behavior, or your views, or (of themselves) the suggestions you made. --Tóraí (talk) 00:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Jayme K. article

Hi Tóraí;

I added a speedy deletion tag to the Jayme K. article as an identical article about the same topic with the same sources had been nominated for deletion and deleted here. As such, it seems to me that the re-hash of the article should be deleted. Could you advise? Ninetytwoseventeen (talk) 00:01, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Deleted now. There doesn't appear to have been a substantial change in notability since.

Thanks. I didn't see the previous discussion topic because it was under a article title and wasn't linked. --Tóraí (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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 Done See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tar ag Spraoi Sesame. --Tóraí (talk) 22:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Too Quick?!

You deleted the page but you didnot bother to see that the text was from 2 x sources, one a news source and other a journal. Both of which were quoted in the reference list. The blog is the one which copy pasted the text from the news sites. How can you say that the text came from the blog and NOT the sources? You could have told me that the text is copyrighted as it was copied from the 2 x sources I have provided, but saying that it was copyrighted to a blog is not understandable? I was in the process of paraphrasing the info to that article so that the copyright issue could be sorted out. But then, you were too quick! —TripWire ^talk 13:37, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi TripWire,

How can you say that the text came from the blog and NOT the sources? I compared the text in the article to the text in the blog. Whole sections were word-for-word the same. Therefore, I deleted it as a copyright violation.

I was in the process of paraphrasing the info to that article so that the copyright issue could be sorted out. Paraphrasing is fine so long as it is not too close to the original. However, the copyright violation had to go. Even if they are in the page history (i.e. not in the current revision) copyright violations have to be deleted.

I dropped you a note because I could see that you were acting in good faith. For more information on policy around copyright violations, see See Wikipedia:Copyright violations. --Tóraí (talk) 13:55, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanx for the response. Blogs are no authority. We all know that. I dont care what the blog says, because if the blogger has copied the original text from the source, it is his fault. So, you cannot say that I have violated the copyright info off the blog?? Yes, if you say that I should have rephrased the text while taking from the source (and not the blog), that was understandable. I have seen the blog now, i can see that the blogger has copied the entire news to its blog from which I took some info, but I dont understand, from where did you se the following words, word-to-word on the blog, because i took them from a journal which the blog does not contain:

The Chamalang coalfields lie in the Districts Kohlu, Barkhan, and Loralai. It spreads over 500 sq. miles and is bounded by longitude 69015’ to 69045’east and latitude 300 00’ to 300 15’ north. The Chamalang and Bala Dhaka are the main villages of the area and are situated about 35 and 28 miles north of Kohlu respectively. The roads between these areas are partly metalled and shingled. Now the Pak Army has built a new road from Mekhtar to Chamalang, which is the main linkage and approached road for all types of communication and traveling.

I am surprised how did you even find the blog? Because it never crossed me during my research? —TripWire ^talk 14:20, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Another user flagged it as a copyright violation. Whether you copied it from the blog or another source is immaterial. Please don't copy and paste content from other sources into Wikipedia. Thank you. --Tóraí (talk) 19:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

That another user must be the IP 82.11.33.86? And should I recreate the page after rephrasing/paraphrasing the sourced text? —TripWire ^talk 20:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, just re-create the page using original text (i.e. not another copyright violation). --Tóraí (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks —TripWire ^talk 21:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of article

Hi. You removed one (Abrar Mir) of the 2 articles that I created with the user Quadriacapital that was initially meant as a test. Could you kindly delete the other article Dr. Amit Varma as well with accordance to G7 in the speedy deletion criteria?

FYI I am also using the account Econline1992. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.90.36.172 (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Tóraí (talk) 21:26, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

re A Fantástica Fábrica de Cadáver

The article was A9'ed since the musician does not have an article. If you follow the link Carlos Eduardo Taddeo it is a redirect to the band of which the artist is a member. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eduardo (rapper). Please reconsider the A9.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 22:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Somebody else might have called it differently but I'm conservative when it comes to CSD. From WP:CSD: "Administrators should take care not to speedy delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases." The AfD for Eduardo (rapper) was closed a "redirect" rather than "delete", there's an argument that that's the article on him.

If you want to A9 it again and see how somebody else calls it, I won't object. However, I see you've already put it up for deletion in the usual way. I suggest that's the best determine consensus. --Tóraí (talk) 09:37, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Apologies

I just noticed you left me a talk page message under "Easter Rising' but some time ago. Is it still relevant? ----Snowded ^TALK 22:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it. You wanted me to take prompt action two years ago ;-) --Tóraí (talk) 17:44, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

please remove deletion notice

Can you remove the deletion notice from the Californians Against Waste wikipedia page?

Please let me know if there are any questions I can answer regarding your concerns about this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briano88 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Semi Ajayi

Could I get you to explain in more detail why you declined the speedy deletion of this article? As far as I can tell, Mr Ajayi has not received substantially more coverage since April, and has not played a match that would qualify him for WP:NFOOTY. Am I missing something here? Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

My mistake. I thought he had played for Cardiff. That would have significantly changed the reasons for the previous deletion. Deleted now. --Tóraí (talk) 22:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk page references

After almost 10 years I happened to see this template {{Reflist-talk}} used very recently, so perhaps instead of commenting out talk page refs you can sub this instead. Personally I have not used it yet but it looks useful. ww2censor (talk) 09:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Handy to know. I'll leave things as they are now unless someone objects. Might use that in future. --Tóraí (talk) 07:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, Tóraí!

Happy New Year!

Tóraí,
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stats.grok.se

Cheers Tóraí!

I've seen you created some documentation for http://stats.grok.se/. Any idea what happened to the site? It only returns "internal server error" for the past 2 months (example). Is it offline now somehow, what's the issue? Perhaps you know.

All the best and thanks in advance! -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know. I'm just created the template. I've nothing to do with the site. --Tóraí (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

RA

I never knew that you were Rannpháirtí anaithnid until five minutes ago. If I had of my interactions with you would have been more vocal and understanding. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - but I hadn't noticed! You're always reasonable and friendly. --Tóraí (talk) 07:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

It's been five years, today.

Wishing Tóraí a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 14:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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Please comment on https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rocket.Chat

As you are a software engineer previously involved on a similar discussion, I'd welcome your opinion on the discussion. Thanks you. Gabriel engel (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Aleeti Ramaiah Pally

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Granite Media, article

Hi Torai,

I noticed that you deleted the article for Granite Media today. I believe this is because I created the page without knowing that I shouldn't do so if I am associated with the company. I'm sorry about that. I was logged in, trying to be transparent.

I think it's a worthwhile page to have up given that we recently secured $2 million in seed capital and are an established founding team with other references on Wikipedia. I tried to write the article with a factual and unbiased voice. Would you be willing to republish the page or start a new one with the information provided on the company?

Thank you for your consideration.

Tony — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyMamone (talk • contribs) 04:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Tony.

There is a small set of reasons why a page can be summarily deleted from Wikipedia. The usual process is that a user flags the page as meeting one of these reasons and then an admin reviews it and makes a call.

One of the reasons is that the page is an "Article about a company, corporation or organization, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject". Merely securing funding for a business venture, or because people involved have previously been involved in a notable business, is no reason to assume that this business is important or significant.

(Don't take that to heart. I'm merely stating our stand-point as authors of an encyclopedia. It's not any assumption about where you will take Granite Media business in future. And I wish you the best of luck in that.)

If the business is very closely related to Livingly Media, you may be able to add a (very short e.g. one sentence) reference to in that article by way of a bye-the-bye comment. But that will be a call for the contributors to that article. If they don't think it's relevant it may get nixed from there as well.

In the long run, I suggest holding up until Granite Media is a notable success in its own right. Wikipedia isn't an advertising platform or a Yellow Pages - and neither is inclusion on Wikipedia a requirement to be successful.--Tóraí (talk) 10:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Image on Wikipedia 'Ireland' page regarding population growth through the years 1600 to 2000

A Chara,

Cad é mar atá tú?

Or as the English forced our Ancestors to say "How do you do?"

I was struck by the image of the population growth and decline in those years 1600 to 2000.

It was not the first occasion that I have seen such an image.

It was on one slide of a lecture and presentation slide show about a historical event "Napoleon III, nephew of Napoleon Bonaparte, visit to Ireland"

What struck me so much about that graph, although it was shown only briefly, was not the huge decline following the famines from 1840s onward.

That is something that most Irish people would be familiar with.

It was the first part, i.e. the rapid growth of the population.

This puzzled me considerably.

What was it that caused such a rapid growth among a mainly peasant population?

It strikes me as remarkable.

My own interest is in finding out about how prevalent was the speaking of the Irish Language in those years, particularly in the North of Leinster.

There seems to have been a correlation between the decline of the population and the decline of speaking Irish.

Was that cause and effect?

I don't know but I am very curious.

Is mise le meas,

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Hello Tóraí! In January 2010 you were kind enough to offer me your help, if ever needed, as a mediator. I'm rather proud to say that has not been needed for all these years, until now. I'm very confused about current policy re: reliable sources. Are we no longer able to use full-page and cover articles from mainstream newspapers just because they are from the 1960s and 1970s, or reliably published books because they are old and/or not in English? If that's the case I have contributed a lot of article text for over 10 years which now, for all intents and purposes on Wikipedia, is unreferenced, and I must immediately stop contributing text with that kind of references. Shall I ask this question at Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources or what can I do? It's like a nightmare. Best wishes, --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you link to why you believe mainstream newspapers are no longer considered reliable sources?. See WP:NEWSORG. Thanks, --Tóraí (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I interpreted this that way, after all these years of relative stability, and also similar tags on Wild Side Story and Birgit Ridderstedt. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that's the only way to interpret the flagging of the article. I note that the article has been deleted (twice) on the Swedish Wikipedia. The easiest way to sort this out is to nominate the article for deletion here on the same grounds, which I will do now. --Tóraí (talk) 20:13, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Nominated here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacob Truedson Demitz. --Tóraí (talk) 20:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I feel I'm being hounded here after having asked that user 6 times to stop on my talk page. Am I under any obligation to reply? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

You do not have to reply but if you have been asked about a COI connection I believe that you should reply. Domdeparis (talk) 14:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I am not following you around, have not been, and will not be. If you'd kindly refrain from following me around, I would feel much less distressed and would really appreciate it. That would constructive for the project. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

This person nominated the page at your request so naturally I wanted to see the content of the request and as you have mentioned me in the request I believe it is normal to make a comment. I have now asked you at least half a dozen times to disclose your relationship and you have not done so. I believe that this is required. You have been very open on commons with the fact that you have some relationship with him and the cabaret as you refer to the cabaret and tye company that owns the rights to their photos as "we" so I would like you to say clearly what your relationship is. Domdeparis (talk) 16:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I did not request that the page be nominated. That's a fabrication. As for the rest of it, I will not (not) be responding to you (to you) on these demands of yours, and now I'm asking you for the 8th time (!): leave me alone! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Corey Ellis (rapper)

Hi Tóraí. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that the page is a substantially identical article to Corey Ellis (musical artist). Corey Ellis (musical artist) was deleted only two weeks ago per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corey Ellis (musical artist) and it included the very same sentence that you use to suggest it may be notable. You wrote: declining speedy ("His single "There You Go" reached over 500,000+ on Spotify"), but feel free to XfD for notability. But it was already AFD'd for that lack of notability despite that parameter present. The point of a WP:G4 tag is that editors should not have to go through another AFD discussion again when the exact same article is recreated. I'm requesting that you revert your decline. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 23:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

By the way, the same article was also deleted in May at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corey Ellis (Rapper) with the deletion endorsed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 August 5. Cheers. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 23:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

What happened was I had just declined speedy under A7 at 22:28. I saw the article re-appear again for speedy five minutes later. I'm not sure if I was looking at a cache or what happened but I could swear it was still A7 when I saw it again at 22:34. That's why I declined it then with the message I did. But I see from the log now that your request was for G4. --Tóraí (talk) 18:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay. That happens to all of us. No harm -- the page was retagged by another editor and subsequently deleted, the multiple iterations have been salted and an SPI initiated against the socks. Cheers. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 20:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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I am not sure why Manashe Khaimov page was deleted. Please let me know so I can provide you the information need it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Costco101 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Costco101. The article was deleted following a (short) discussion here on the basis that the subject the subject wasn't considered notable. --Tóraí (talk) 23:09, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Why was this redirect page speedy deleted? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Galaxy_note10 Taewangkorea (talk) 19:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

It was marked as being a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer. The article was created in August and had no in-coming links. --Tóraí (talk) 21:31, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Tóraí: I do not think it would classify as R3 because Galaxy Note10 appears to be a common typo, judging from this google analytics page showing the similar levels of searches for Galaxy note10, note9, and note8 (currently, Galaxy Note10 appears to have the highest search interest) and also considering that the pages for the previous note phones Galaxy Note9 and Galaxy Note8 have their own redirect pages. Thus, I do not think that this would meet the implausible criteria of R3. Taewangkorea (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Tóraí: BTW the redirect I was wanting to create is Galaxy Note10 but for some reason Galaxy note10 was created as a mistake. I assume that the capitalized title would not meet R3? Taewangkorea (talk) 20:44, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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