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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laureate Group of Schools and Colleges (2nd nomination)

Hi Ritchie. I see that you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laureate Group of Schools and Colleges (2nd nomination) as no consensus. I am minded to challenge this outcome, because the editors who expressed keep opinions failed to address the concern that no independent sources could be found to verify the existence of the subject, and I think this should have been taken into account when assessing consensus. For some similar recent cases, you might like to see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Quaid School, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ace School System (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makkah Model School System - MMS Feroze wattwan (2nd nomination). Cordless Larry (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

In fact, the more I look into this, the more I think that the article might be a hoax. The website states that the school is affiliated with the Punjab Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education, but it is not listed as affiliated here. See also the photoshopped images here. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

It might be my eyes, CL, but those pics are so small I can't tell if they're photoshopped at all! Fair play on your mince pies  :) and if that school motto is anything to go by, you could be right. That just sounds slightly- juvenile, perhaps? >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Does this help, Serial Number 54129? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I see what you mean- thanks. yes that does seem rather blatant. User:Winged Blades of Godric, if you don't mind me calling upon you, could attest or point us in the direction of being able to attest to this existing? Many thanks for any advice you can give! >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric participated in the deletion discussion, but did not offer a rationale for their delete comment. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Shortly confirming whether such group really exists.My !vote was the reflection of some frustration in response to the usual !votes school-project-clique which are equally ludicrous rationales(IMO).Winged Blades^Godric 15:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Apologies, both, I forgot you were both at the original AfD. It's been rather a long day, sorry! >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

54129, can you help with checking the veracity of The school has been affiliated with Cambridge University of London.? And, I agree that all the photographs over here are blatantly photoshopped!Winged Blades^Godric 16:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Winged Blades of God, can you link to where it says that? Working on it though, stand by. Cheers, >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Over here.Cheers!Winged Blades^Godric 16:21, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Winged Blades of Godric and Cordless Larry: This page seems to say not, on the assumption I've performed the correct search (the original page regarding affiliation is here). >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:23, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Cordless Larry as the previous one failed. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:29, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I note that some of the addresses over here could not be parsed by GMaps and that is somewhat highly strange.Can't help much due to the added disadvantage that many of Pakistani websites (esp. Govt. ones) are blocked in India.Regrets:)Stil looking at some alternatives, though:)Winged Blades^Godric 16:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric I was able to find them using GMaps - just have to remove the crap before 1A, shah rukh colony etc in the first one. See here It's appears real. There's a much higher quality photo here and various buildings with locations and reviews. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:30, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I got two of them.Drew a blank on the rest like over here.And I have, in the meanwhile, accesed some of the provincial BISEs.None of them seems to list the school.Winged Blades^Godric 16:33, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The odd thing is, when I put it into google.co.in/maps I still get no results? -as I wanted to look at that pic. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:38, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Cancel that, I saw your link. Shame streetview isn't available; are locations sometimes also 'user-generated content' though? >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:41, 15 December 2017 (UTC

Not sure about that, but I see multiple reviews from "local guides", so if it is a hoax, then it's an elaborate one, and it's far more likely that they are just falsifying stuff on their website. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The GMap reviews could be easily manipulated by a quite small bunch of guys.And as Lguides they aren't not very reliable, given the user-levels.I once saw an oldage home, in a secluded place turning to a four-star bar with multiple five star reviews, before somebody discovered it and (prob.) some sort of official communic. from the mgmt. to Google managed to get it pulled it down:) But, the photo look very real though! Winged Blades^Godric 17:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Incidentally, forgot to say, that "Cambridge University of London" is no sech thing; apart from being the combination of the names of two prestigious UK institutions which the uninformed might assume to be some sort of Super-Uni :) >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I was about to write that there is no such institution as "Cambridge University of London". There is Cambridge University and there is the federal University of London, but they are separate institutions. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

• Overall, I strongly believe, that the closure ought be revisited and altered to delete.Winged Blades^Godric 17:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: (and everyone else) - I have reopened the AfD as there is clearly additional information and insights (not least the potential for this to be a hoax) that warrant investigation. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I still think a delete close would have been justified given the failure of anyone to provide any independent sources during the original AfD, but a relisting is fine by me. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

When an AfD heavyweight like DGG votes "keep", it's best to get more views. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

On a lighter note... how many pings did Ritchie get...?! :D >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 17:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Obscured by Clouds

I found a source to state that Pink Floyd's 1972 album "Obscured by Clouds" was specifically mixed at Morgan Sound Studios, since the source cited for the recording sessions occurring at Chateau d'Herouville, as famously used by Elton John for his album "Honky Chateau" as well as Joan Armatrading, David Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, The Grateful Dead and Rick Wakeman to name just a few, but it keeps being reverted for some reasons when I did provide a reliable source from a book written by Glenn Povey that definitely says that the album was mixed at Morgan, thus verifying the mixed at Morgan claim.

Furthermore, albums mixed or overdubbed at certain studios (e.g. Abbey Road, Trident, Sunset Sound, Capitol) have been listed in those categories.

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I liked it better when it was “slow as Christmas”

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Happy Saturnalia!

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Eglwys Sant Baglan Llanfaglan

I'd be very grateful if you could look at the complete mess that's been created, by a new user, there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I've rolled it all back. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks. And thanks for leaving the explanatory note. Unfortunately, because the "new user" also made a devious Welsh language re-direct, Talk:Eglwys Sant Baglan Llanfaglan has been left stranded. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sir Tim Hunt controversy at WCSJ

Hello. You deleted Sir Tim Hunt controversy at WCSJ speedily. I once separated this section from the actual Tim Hunt article which seemed to be dominated by the incident at WCSJ. The article was edited by many others and I don't think it is a copyright infringement of www.jaymaron.com/badass.html, a website that I have never seen before, and where I cannot find any reference to Sir Tim Hunt whatsoever. Maybe it's the other way round and Jaymaron.badass copied some text from Wikipedia?
Actually I am okay with the nomination since this bizarre controversy attracted far too much attention which should have gone to the scientific achievements of a Nobel Prizer winner, but I am sure you agree with me that deletion should be on proper grounds. Hartenhof (talk) 19:32, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Sure that that section was added by many editors instead of being copied by just one? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

When the Tim Hunt controversy occurred, many users contributed. They added information as well as their views on the incident to the Tim Hunt main page and also to the Tim Hunt talk page. This section grew and grew, ultimately consuming two thirds of the Tim Hunt article, overshadowing all other information on the man himself, his life and work. There was a lot of discussion whether the subject should be covered so extensively on the Tim Hunt main page. So at a certain point I decided to separate this heavily edited subject, as a spin-off, from the main page. I created a new page, covering the controversy only. Since many contributors expressed their view that nothing should be lost, I removed the entire section from the Tim Hunt page (replacing it by a small paragraph), and copied it to the new page I created. I don't know who or what jaymaron.badass is, but it certainly had nothing to do with the Tim Hunt article, or the spin-off, at that time. You can find all this in the history of the main article and its talk page. I forget about the whole thing until now, and could not care less about the Tim Hunt controversy and its nomination or deletion. But I don't like to be blamed by User:El cid, el campeador as someone who violates copyrights. Hartenhof (talk) 21:06, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

You created a new page without giving any sort of credit or notice that you copied content from the Tim Hunt page, which in itself is a violation of WP policy. But regardless, there was a new page with content which matched a copyright search and the only real response is to tag the page for deletion and then delete it. It is really your job to state that it is a copy-paste split. But no one is 'blaming' you for anything, I just notified you that I tagged your page for CSD because it was flagged in a copyright search. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 22:50, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Of course I gave a notice that it was an obvious copy-paste split from the Tim Hunt page, and I wouldn't know what kind of "violation" this could be. However, thanks to the more-than-speedy deletion this notification vanished forever, as did the whole WCSJ incident by the way, as a happy result of your actions, albeit historically incorrect. Hartenhof (talk) 23:58, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I just undid your removal from the main page. Now everything is back to the status quo :) hope this helps. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 02:53, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It's really too much... thank you... thank you my friend... but... aren't you overdoing it a little...? Now it's your turn to produce a shortened version... I'm looking forward to it ;-) Hartenhof (talk) 07:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

P.S. Didn't you violate jaymaron.com/badass's copyrights now? (I'm not joking, since this was your reason for the nomination anyway) Hartenhof (talk) 07:27, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

The Yes Album

Why vandalism? The mannikin image is just the image of a whatever mannikin, put there just to decorate. I also corrected the book title in italics, and you removed it. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 08:18, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

• Also the sentence "Anderson wrote "A Venture" in the studio, which..." is wrong, as "which" put there in that way refers to the studio, not to the song. Please leave this correction.--'''Attilios''' (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Your personal opinion has been noted. There are loads of articles in WP:ALBUMS/500 that have unsourced content or need badly rewriting - why not look at one of those? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Heuston and Euston

Hi Richie -- I made some hatnotes about Heuston and Euston, and notice you reverted an edit of mine with the comment "who is going to get confused with something spelled and pronounced differently?" The answer is: non-native speakers that I met, at Heuston, a group which is often confused about how to pronounce initial H and the many similar sounding eu/ou/oo/u spellings. I still think it's helpful: would you object if I put it back? Jonathan. https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Euston_railway_station&oldid=810458191 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.229.22 (talk) 12:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The station (which I know very well) has always been called Euston and no reliable source says otherwise. So you would be putting made-up information in the encyclopedia, which is not allowed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

FWIW I agree with the IP here; "Heuston" and "Euston" are pronounced the same in many accents, and I can easily imagine someone visiting from abroad who isn't familiar with the station names being told "I'll meet you at Heuston" and searching for "Euston", and vice versa. [[Heuston railway station]] in particular, being the first Google hit on "Heuston", is a particularly likely false-positive search result. ("Euston" is a counter-intuitive spelling—a non-English speaker would expect it to be spelled "Yewston"—so it's entirely plausible that someone would guess at "Heuston" as the potential spelling.) ‑ Iridescent 13:10, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

As someone who's worked in and around Euston for many years (on and off) I can tell you that the main confusion tourists have is between Euston and [the nearby] Euston Square. I've never encountered any confusion with a place in another country altogether but if we're going to go down this route, I suggest a hat-note for Houston too. And probably Whitney. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't believe anyone is suggesting Heuston station was ever called Euston nor vice-versa. What I'm saying is that a) I have seen people confuse the names, and b) that "Not to be confused with X" is appropriate for the Wikipedia article. What "made-up information" are you speaking of? Regards, Jonathan. 82.69.229.22 (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree also with Jonathan (fancy registering an account btw? V easy, and lots of benefits!) We do generally hatnote other names that sound similar regradless of spelling. i'm thinking Grenada and Granada, Oakland for Auckland, etc. Not sure if it's enshrined in policy, but it does seem to be the common expectation that we try and avoid confusion. Good article though. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:36, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Dweller: There's a model railway named "Witney Euston". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: that would presumably be for the soundtrack to the Bodyguard... ;) >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 00:52, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm confused and I think I was talking at cross purposes, I thought you were suggesting Heuston was an alternative spelling for Euston. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

• Eddie knows best. Also, while we're at it, let's review Houston and Houston Street, and while we're at the latter, SoHo and Soho. -- Softlavender (talk) 01:29, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Following these comments: I put the edit back and also added Euston Square tube per Dweller's comment. Richie if I misunderstood you as not disagreeing my apologies and please edit. Regards, Jonathan. 82.69.229.22 (talk) 14:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Nice work, all of you. Euston, we have a problem. It's how to find Euston Square. Nice that Wikipedia solves it. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

It's that time of the year...

No fancy template, Ritch, but just to wish you happy holidays and all the best for 2018. It's probably a lot warmer where I am than where you are. Wish you were here, could use a jam session! 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas Ritchie333!!


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Happy Holidays!

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ho, ho, ho

Hi Ritchie333, Neddy wishes everybody a very merry Xmas (suggestions of direct ancestory with one of the eyewitnesses to the happy event have, so far, proved unfounded) Coolabahapple (talk) 23:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays

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From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail. So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 23:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Ritchie, you have my very best wishes for this holiday season. May your heart be filled with happiness during this special time. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:36, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Line the Label

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Changing tack/tact

Hmm, I think it's the former... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Recovery of the wiki page "Left/Right"

Good afternoon :) you recently deleted a page called Left/Right, this page was about a person. Due to Left/Right not having a top 100 hit, the page was deleted. I understand if there isn't a work around to this issue, but is it possible for the page to be recovered so that i can retain/save a copy of the edit source? I put well over 10 hours into the page and I'd be very disheartened if it all disappeared. I could then save the page in my laptop or in a SandBox format until it has enough info to be approved by y'all. Thanks for your time & happy holidays. let me know :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZAYLAVIE (talk • contribs) 17:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

The article was deleted via a full community consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Left/Right. I have restored it to User:ZAYLAVIE/Left/Right. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:53, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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Belated HNY

Happy new year, Ritchie! Just curious, is 331dot running? Best wishes, Alex Shih (talk) 16:36, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Pah, only has 31 edits this entire year. Too inactive to become admin :P Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I've done a thorough look into 331dot, digging through about a year of CSDs. Basically I've told to hang on until spring, so he can get a smack-the-ball-out-of-the-park RfA. If somebody else wants to nominate now, I'll support, and it'll probably pass, but I tend to focus on getting people an easy ride and passing with flying colours. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:58, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Acle Straight

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DYK for Line the Label

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Davidson

(Udon Thani, 08:00 am, Thursday): I went to Everymorning's AN proposal this morning in order to add a comment to a recent user !vote and I was astounded to see it already closed. The discussion was only allowed to run for just over 48 hours, ignoring other users' time zones that could be as much as 12 hours or more outside yours. Even Alex Shih lives in Japan not to mention those like Bduke who might live in Australia or NZ. This was a discussing in which the vast majority of users are well established and well known editors; it wasn't comparable to an ANI-style kangaroo court typipically run by the peanut gallery.

I appreciate your effort to close the discussion. However, I feel the synopsis could have merited somewhat more detail, especially as many of the opposers were not addresing the proposer's concern that Davidson's behaviour is serial, disruptive, and deliberately conceived to create drama. The opposers were mainly defending the right for anyone to vote on RfA . That's quite different. AN is not a vote, irrespective of the boldened 'support'/'oppose' tags. On that premise therefore , on the strength of the arguments, the opposers comments would have outweighed their own 'oppose' votes. See what 11 of the opposers said:

• I agree the editor in question's motivation look to be disruption,
• Lets be honest, Andrew's contributions to AFD RFA are silly, unhelpful, and unconstructive.
• I do not like Andrew D.'s reasons often
• Andrew's comments at BethNaught's RfA dives into a personal matter, and does cross the line of what is acceptable (…)
• I disagree with most of Andrew's votes, some of them I find ridiculous,
• I think asking questions whether a person is male or female is totally unacceptable. Asking anything about a person that they have not seen fit to put on their home page is unacceptable.
• Like many others I'm frequently irritated by the pedantism of Andrew's opposes, and rarely if ever agree with them
• ...some of Andrew's opposes at RFA are ridiculous
• …Andrew's often stupid but generally fairly insipid comments
• I do, strongly, disagree with the Oppose votes of Andrew's that have been raised and which I've examined - in fact, I think some of them are quite absurd (The BethNaught one in particularly had me shaking my head in astonishment over how petty and mean-minded I thought Andrew was being). It also does appear to me that Andrew is making a big effort to find any reason he can to oppose, however ludicrous.
• I think asking questions whether a person is male or female is totally unacceptable. Asking anything about a person that they have not seen fit to put on their home page is unacceptable.

Having been the most vocal proponent for clean up of RfA for years, I was obviously a vociferous supporter of the motion at the AN. You are also one of the editors most actively concerned the lack of successful RfAs, and working closely with other admins such as, for example, MelanieN to find suitable adminship candidates - and you wonder why we're not getting any? Piniging TonyBallioni, BU Rob13,Miniapolis, and Boing! said Zebedee - who might not share my opinion but their balanced comment might be welcome here. One thing is almost sure, if the AN case has not been sufficient to finally encourage Andrew to clean his act up, there will be another, and more convincing request for a topic ban. For those who can remember it, I voted to disband WP:RFC/U a few years ago - something that I'm perhgaps regretting now.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)More or less agree with Kudz's wall of text.The opposers were mainly defending the right for anyone to vote on RfA is a good summary of the oppposer's broad stance and since they were in the majority, obviously, the topic ban wasn't coming.But, at the same time, your closure could have been a lot better.Something along Boing's or Ad's preferred closing stance rather than otherwise he is likely to continue finding his votes being at best ignored and at worst yelled at would have been good enough.Winged Blades^Godric 04:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• I think Ritchie's close was fine, as much as I wish the community would have enacted a topic ban. Not a vote and all, but numbers also matter, and the comments above were describing it as disruptive were also effectively saying that they didn't think that it rose to the level of disruption that merited a topic ban. I strongly disagree with those standpoints, but many of them are form Wikipedians that I respect. I also wouldn't quibble with Ritchie's wording. We all have our own ways of conveying a point: I tend to speak in understatement rhetorically most of the time, so if I had closed, my wording would have likely been milder than Ritchies while still getting the point across. That being said, I endorse Kudpung's view of Andrew's contributions at RfA, and if nothing changes, will also support the next topic ban discussion that comes up. I just can't really fault Ritchie here. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

At the point at which I came across the thread, I think it had just about run its course, and there was an obvious split in opinion about whether Andrew should receive sanctions. He has, however, received a loud and clear message from the community that he is a low-value contributor to RfA. Of the various candidates I have queued up at the moment, I don't think any of them have put forward Andrew as a reason for not running - most of them can picture a solid RfA with a sole daft Davidson oppose is nothing to worry about. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I think what a lot of people find most galling about Davidson's odious commentary is how hypocritical it is, particularly those of us who remember him in his Colonel Warden persona. As CW, he abused people, lied continually, and fabricated sources for years while operating the seemingly respectable Andrew Davidson account concurrently. It's only because he accidentally commented while logged into the wrong account that the socking was detected. A mere mortal would rightly have been permabanned for that, but because he's a high profile inclusionist he had enough buddies voting along party lines to protect him. Now this guy wants to pass judgment on other people; he's the last person who should ever question someone else's integrity or competence. Reyk _YO! 15:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

An account which is still active, I see. Interesting. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129 seems to be on my case a lot lately. I'm not sure why but notice that they seem to have changed their account name recently. Perhaps everyone else knows what that's all about but I didn't get the memo. Can they please clarify? Andrew D. (talk) 18:40, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Does account-renames require memos to be sent out?Winged Blades^Godric 20:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Er, doesn't that violate WP:SOCKLEGIT? Can't an admin indef Andrew for that with the full weight of policy? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• The account is declared as an alternate account per WP:VALIDALT and registered with arbcom per WP:SOCK#NOTIFY. Today, I have been doing some year-end housekeeping. The account still gets dozens of notifications and has messages to respond to and so I was attending to those. Andrew D. (talk) 18:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

If the Colonel Warden account was only doing the minimal local stuff (responding to messages on the CW user talk and such) that he said he'd restrict himself to in his unblock request, I would say no. But since the CW account has been branching out again into article work, certainly. But I'd advise against it- right or not, all his buddies would descend from the heavens to screech at you, you'd end up desysopped and reduced to a smoldering crater, and all the inclusionist derps over at ANI would stand around patting Andy on the back, saying what a stand-up guy he is, and urinating into the crater. Reyk _YO! 18:12, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Um, which part of of WP:ILLEGIT is being violated here? Colonel Warden hasn't edited projectspace for years and I don't see any clear-cut scrutiny avoidance. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're looking at there, but his contribution history shows file uploads today, plus many file and wikipedia-space edits in September and October. Reyk _YO! 18:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, file uploads aren't disallowed for alternative accounts. And while the Andrew Davidson account has been active in projectspace, the last activity by Colonel Warden there goes back to October 2014 per their edits. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

The conditions of the unblock were to retire the account. VALIDALT doesn't enter into it. Answering talk page messages with a view to eventually winding the account down are one thing- but file uploads, article edits, and deprods don't sound like any kind of retirement to me. Reyk _YO! 21:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah, you were thinking of unblock conditions; your post sounded more like a concern about improper sockpuppet usage in general. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:25, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, yep, I see we have been talking past each other. Now that I understand you were talking about second accounts in general, your comments make a lot more sense to me. Hope you can say the same for my opinions. Cheers! Reyk _YO! 21:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Let me explain why I didn't think we need to ban AD from RfA - look at Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship and Wikipedia:Unsuccessful adminship candidacies (Chronological). In the last year we've only had two successful candidacies that were under 80% support - Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GoldenRing and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/K6ka. K6ka's was 79% support so it wasn't really close. AD did vote oppose in GoldenRing's RfA, but was pretty much lined up with many of the other opposers there. AD also voted against K6ka - but again, the concerns were shared by others. We haven't had any close RfAs this last year that failed - most failed RfAs have been withdrawn by the user. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Headbomb 4 is the only unsucessful RfA that went all the way and while AD opposed, there were lots of others involved in that. Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship/2016 shows that Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ad Orientem was closed at 79% - AD opposed but others shared his content concerns. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Oshwah 2 closed as successful at 75% - with AD opposing - here he seems to have been the only one to express those particular concerns, but others were concerned with content creation in general. The other 14 successful candidates in 2016 were all over 80% - with most being well into the 90+% category. Wikipedia:Unsuccessful adminship candidacies (Chronological)/2016 - three of the 20 were actually full term - Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Godsy, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Brianhe, and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Hawkeye7 2. A few folks took issue with AD's vote in Godsy's but there were other votes just as controversial - BMK's vote against a self-nom ended up on the talk page and was much nastier thatn AD's vote discussion. And AD supported in Hawkeye's... I'm just not seeing that his votes matter a lot. I got the impression that he's being blamed for a nasty enviroment at RfA ... that quite frankly doesn't appear to exist any more. We haven't had that many close calls lately - and when he votes, he doesn't usually swing others around to his views. I think the precedent is just bad to be indulging in banning someone from a part of Wikipedia because they are occasionally annoying. If that's the case - there are a number of other editors I'd like banned from AN/ANI because they are annoying... and let's not get started on the reference desks... Now if he's violating a sockpuppet rule - that's a total different story. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:01, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• I don't want to rehash the argument, but really just to say that I agree with Kudpung's summary of the Oppose votes and I think he is accurate in that - but that I do think that being very wary of the slippery slope of excluding dissenters is a valid reason to oppose. Also, I was surprised it was closed so quickly, and I wouldn't object to an extension. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

In general, I think threads calling for a ban or sanctions on an experienced and well-known editor are best kept an eye on and closed as early as possible before the peanut gallery turn up to throw mud at the editor in question. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Dunning Kruger effect

Your are right on about that.
Question: "What is the bigger problem in Wikipedia, ignorance or apathy?" Answer: "I don't know and I don't care."

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7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I was going to reply to this, but I'm not sure how and to be honest I can't be bothered. Happy New Year to all my talk page stalkers and hangers-on; I've been largely off-wiki over the Christmas period partly by being away from home, teaching my eldest son basic Linux shell scripting on a Raspberry Pi and porting an open-source clone of Adventure Game Interpreter to Mac OS and upgrading it to support SDL 2.0. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:54, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Reno Divorce

• Hello, Could you send me the text of the Reno Divorce Wikipedia page that was deleted? InfoZZ (talk) 14:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

No problem - now at User:InfoZZ/Reno Divorce Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you InfoZZ (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For fixing something now I had put aside to fix sometime later if and when I find the time, you deserve this Barnstar! Regards SoWhy 15:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Peer review

I've done that previously with user "serial number <some number>". Not from an RfA or ORCP point of view, but I was wondering to get a peer review in general. Pinging Lex, I think he might like to do this. I do not want to run for RfA, but I want to know where I stand as an editor, and what should I do to improve my contributions. Would you be kind enough to do that? —usernamekiran(talk) 17:32, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Great Eastern Railway

I wasn't aware that Norwich station (Thorpe) was highly regarded architecturally. While working in the city I heard a manager tell a joke that involved a long list of different varieties of grass (it's an agricultural community). I just remember the last few words of the punchline -

"... Alfalfa, Diss, and all stations to Liverpool Street." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.93.179 (talk) 09:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I stand by my view that the platforms on Liverpool Street (particularly what is now the TfL Rail one) are dark and seem to permanently smell vaguely of urine. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Could you take a look at Special:Contributions/ArnoldHimmler?

I'm pretty sure they're here to push an agenda, and not to improve the project. I see you've already encountered some of their drama, which is why I'm asking you. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh do keep up Mr Pants, I indef-blocked them 15 minutes before you wrote this message :-P .... anyway, it's an obvious troll (the clue is a near absence of mainspace edits) so I hope the door doesn't hit them on the way out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Stop being good at your job, dammit. You're making the rest of us look bad. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Acle Straight

On 4 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Acle Straight, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a pub on the Acle Straight is now a Hindu temple? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Acle Straight. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Acle Straight), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

GA 2nd opinion

Hey there! Since you're listed at Wikipedia:Good Article help/mentor, would you mind giving the article Nosedive a once-over to check that it's ready to be promoted? I think that it's quite close if not already there. Talk:Nosedive/GA1 is my first GA review – I'm not sure if I've done everything I need to. Thanks! Hameltion (talk, contribs) 23:36, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I have lobbed my 2c in on the GA review, but it looks like you've done a good job. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Street times

Hi - I saw you declined my speedy nom for Street times. Just wondered why {{Db-inc}} does not apply? It was my belief that any company, print media or otherwise, is covered by this. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Since the article is about the newspaper, not the company that produces it (or is ambigious enough to be one or the other), it does not come under the "individual real people, animals, organisations, web content, bands or events" criteria for A7. Additionally, the article asserts "The Street Times has its largest base of circulation in Jammu & Kashmir and is the most widely read English weekly newspaper in the state" which is a clear indication of importance. Having said all of that, I've stuck a PROD on it as I can't find a single source that backs any of that up. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

studios

If you believe I'm not as fimiliar as you with the insides of recording studios, you wouldn't want to bet on it ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:00, 6 January 2018 (UTC)