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Nice article on Ayn Rand influences!

I was actually just thinking of writing this exact article, just the other day, no joke! Given Ayn Rand's philosophy, I was planning on titling it "List of Individuals influenced by Ayn Rand", but other than that, I had the exact same idea just a few days ago and was beginning to write it as I stumbled upon your article. Way to beat me to it! Nice work! It feels like one of those cosmic coincidences where one person beats the other to the patent office just a few days prior. Lenschulwitz (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, glad you liked it. There are still no dates or brief descriptions for most folks on the list (I only did non-living ones initially), so there is still plenty of opportunity to contribute. :-) --RL0919 (talk) 04:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I most definitely will. There are a couple doozies the article is missing. For one, Howard Roark himself (aka Steve Jobs). ;) Lenschulwitz (talk) 09:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Empty section

{{Empty section}} is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 May 1; I thought you might want to know because you were responsible for closing the DRV on it in 2011. Nyttend (talk) 20:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Verna Hillie

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Decline Speedy Deletion?

Regarding these two articles: 1. 2.

The reason why I requested Speedy Deletion is because that both of the user's articles aren't in English. They appear to be in Spanish. Spanish Wikipedia has their own article on Regular Show here. 76.117.166.209 (talk) 10:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Coherent non-English text is explicitly excluded from the "nonsense" speedy deletion criterion. These pages are user pages, not articles, so they cannot be speedy deleted as duplicates. If the user does nothing with them, I will nominate them for the appropriate deletion process. --RL0919 (talk) 14:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Tu ne cede malis

		The Austrian Barnstar of National Merit
		Presented to User ‎RL0919 For extraordinary service in the improvement of Murray Rothbard SPECIFICO talk 23:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Just doing what I can. Thanks. --RL0919 (talk) 03:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Rothbard talk page

I have used two of your phrases in a Talk:Murray Rothbard comment. Please let me know if you'd like me to attribute them to you. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 01:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Now a moot point. More discussion followed, so I decided to be more explicit as to where I came up with the phrases. Thanks again. – S. Rich (talk) 02:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Creationism

Imagine you were editing evolution and ran into a fellow who asked you for a reliable source to back up some detail. You go ahead and give him a college biology textbook, and he tells you that the only truly reliable source in matters of biology is the Bible, which is literally true in all ways.

What do you do then? It's not like you can ever convince him of anything because he's not on the same page as you. You can talk until you're blue in the face, but you'll just get frustrated. He just doesn't understand biology and doesn't want to. Sure, he's got a strong opinion, but it's not worth a damn and there's no reason to listen to it. All you can do is shrug, like Atlas, and move on.

So when you told me you couldn't understand what "popular philosophy" meant in those sources, you were admitting that you don't have what it takes to understand the issues. You might as well have said you only accept the words of Ayn Rand as a reliable source, for all that it matters. And all I can do is shrug and move on. As far as I'm concerned, you're pretty much like that imaginary Bible-thumper: too biased and incompetent to contribute.

Now, I can't stop you from taking this as an insult, but it's really all about your demonstrated behavior and ability, so it's not personal at all. I don't hate you, I just don't think your opinion about Ayn Rand can be trusted, so I can't give it any weight at all. MilesMoney (talk) 06:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I've been editing here for years and have earned the occasional thanks, and even some responsibility in the process. If you think not accepting your particular arguments in this case means I am am incompetent dogmatist, well, that's your opinion. It is insulting, attempts to disclaim insult notwithstanding. But I've gotten worse treatment than you are likely to descend to (although there's time for you to prove me wrong!), and I'm still chugging. It's too bad that you feel frustrated, but you should look elsewhere for the source of that. --RL0919 (talk) 07:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

The Fountainhead

Before I rv you, could you please point to some source for your assertion that it is "an urban legend"? More to the point, we presently have no explanation for the title (and having recently read the book I can confirm there is nothing in the text to explain it) and Rand's quotation would appear to be an adequate explanation. YOu have some alternative? --AlisonW (talk) 19:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

It is the addition of the content that needs to be sourced, not the omission of it (see WP:BURDEN). The origin of the legend appears to be from promotional materials for the novel -- I've found the wording in ads and cover blurbs, not any of Rand's own writings. Normally the publisher's publicity department writes that stuff, not the author, and in any case it would be written after the title was decided upon. When this quote was first added into the article, it was worded as, "The book's title may be interpreted as follows: 'Man's ego is the fountainhead of human progress.'"[1] Another editor later changed the wording to say it was a quote from Rand. From there it spread over the web. Probably all innocent, but this is what happens when WP editors work without sources.

The origin of the title is accounted for by Jennifer Burns in her book about Rand, Goddess of the Market. On page 85, she says that Rand originally titled the novel Second Hand Lives, but her editor pointed out that this emphasized the villains rather than the heroes. Rand suggested The Mainspring as an alternative, but another novel had recently used that title. So they went to a thesaurus and found fountainhead as a synonym for mainspring. --RL0919 (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments on my talk page

Your comments on my talkpage regarding bleeding hearts libertarians (used in Ludwig von Mises Institute) are being invoked to justify what I believe is an improper group blog addition to the LvMI article. My contention is that BHL is SPS and cannot be used as it involves 3rd parties. I have tagged the LvMI article section & refs as SPS. Please comment. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 02:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Alexandru Buziuc and Valter Heil Deleted Pages

Hello!

I'm kindly asking you if it's possible to restore the deleted pages of Alexandru Buziuc and Valter Heil. I don't know what kind of problems the original creator has caused but the pages contained real information. Hope you can restore them, if not please notify me so I could re-create them.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ostasul (talk • contribs) 05:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

These were very brief articles with only basic information in them, and each had just one source in Romanian. So it is probably best for you to recreate them rather than me restoring content that I cannot properly verify. --RL0919 (talk) 09:20, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Declined speedy

I declined a speedy on Colin Ratushniak, which I see you declined as well. I'm tempted to give the user what she wants and nominate it for AfD so it can run through another deletion discussion, but I kind of think that'd be seen as a bad faith nomination. I'm just slightly worried about another admin deleting it without really looking at the article's history. I know we can all be a little trigger happy now and then. We can always un-delete it, but I'd prefer to work on stopping the deletion nominations now rather than let it get deleted first. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

• I went ahead and AfD'd it. I'm a little puzzled why she suddenly went from creating and defending it pretty hard in the last AfD to wanting it deleted now, but I think that she'd otherwise keep nominating it for deletion. The article's deletion page is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colin Ratushniak (2nd nomination), if you're interested in keeping tabs on it. I don't have any true opinion on it one way or another, but I figure that this will clear the air once and for all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:23, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi

2:10 . . RL0919 (talk | contribs) changed visibility of 2 revisions on page Acharya S: content hidden ‎(RD2: Violations of the biographies of living persons policy)

I keep see this beeping on my watchlist, seems to be a very regular occurence and likely to increase given the 2012 book. Would you object to a RFC to revist this linking to the two Google Books but instructing participants in the RFC not to actually mention the first name until the RFC is finished done and closed? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No objections from me. I don't particularly care about the name issue per se; I'm just trying to make sure WP:BLP is being observed. If the consensus is that there is no BLP problem anymore, then so be it. --RL0919 (talk) 12:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Sanctions on LvMI

With virtually unanimous approval, can you or another admin just wrap things up now? The biased editing and personal attacks are already intensifying on LvMI related threads, so admin scrutiny will likely be necessary in the near future. Steeletrap (talk) 17:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately I am very much WP:INVOLVED, both in the ANI discussion and in unrelated conflicts with some of the participants at the LvMI page. So I don't think it is appropriate that I close the discussion and log the sanction. It would almost certainly become a point of appeal when someone eventually gets blocked or placed under restrictions. But I do agree that it is ripe for closure. --RL0919 (talk) 17:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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Data granularity

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Riggenbach

RL, do I read this correctly? "If you can connect him to multiple works from Category:Audiobooks by title or series...then I'm happy to reconsider." As I understand, if Riggenbach is listed as the narrator for books fitting into the category, such as the Manchester book I mentioned, then he qualifies. The category has print books that include audio versions (such as The Program (novel) & World War Z). And some of the listings are strictly audio (which would diminish their distribution). If listing Riggenbach as the narrator of major recorded books is the criteria needed for notability in this category, then that's the sort of gnomish editing I enjoy. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I was going on the assumption that the listings in the category were actually notable audiobooks, not notable print books that have an audio version. Looking at the category more closely, it seems that isn't the case. I will adjust my remarks accordingly.

The general idea here is that if a production is notable, then independent sources have discussed it. If a person is a major performer in multiple productions that are widely discussed, then probably their performances have been discussed. Hence they are probably notable. But if all the sources are actually about some other version of the work, then it doesn't have that impact. For example, if a high school drama club performs a famous play, that doesn't make the performers notable, because the production isn't notable.

So, in the specific case, if the audiobook version of a work is notable and he is a major performer for it, then that supports his notability. But if he performed in a non-notable audiobook of a famous print book, that doesn't help. --RL0919 (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Acharya S

Please don't revert me. Unless you want to spend thousands of hours in yet another protracted battle over this article, which I for one really want to avoid. I'm an admin and OTRS volunteer and please believe me when I say you don't want to know about this. Cheers, Guy (Help!) 23:19, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, dear, are you an admin? Well in that case ... you should discuss your content concerns on the article talk page like any other editor in a WP:BRD situation. Waving the mop around doesn't impress me, especially since I have one of my own. If you are acting on an OTRS ticket, then please say so explicitly. Otherwise your participation as a volunteer there is irrelevant as well. There won't be any "protracted battle" if you explain your edits like a normal person and have decent reasons to support them. Haughty declarations of status don't have any argumentative weight. --RL0919 (talk) 23:35, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

james chodewick

my teacher says his name is james chodewick so thts why i changed it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilmonsta98 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

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