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editHello, thanks for your copyedits to the Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu page, but please see my edit summary there. Graham87 18:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Graham : I changed his name to his common name for consistent name use within the article as "Gurrumul" and "Yuninpingu" were both, as you can check yourself, being randomly used when the name should normally be consistent. Also, when someone is nearly always known just by a first name or stage name, such as Gurrumul and also Enya, Beyonce, Cher and Melanie for instance among many others, then the accepted style convention according to the MOS (as per MOS:BIOGRAPHY) is that this name is used and is an exception to the usual principle of using surnames. If you need any evidence that "Gurrumul" was his common name or stage name then you only have to look at the name used on the covers of his CD releases and other items on Amazon at this link. His name on these is, with the one exception of his first album, consistently just "Gurrumul". I also did not appreciate your snarky and silly comment about my removing serial commas. It should have been very clear to you that my copyright was much more than this. As your recent edit and comments were all incorrect you should revert your name changes back to "Gurrumul" in line with the MOS. Quizical (talk) 02:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, consistency is a good idea, but the guideline also says: "For people well known by one-word names, nicknames, or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally ... use the legal surname". I've read enough sources about him in the process of cleaning up the article that I know that he often used his legal name professionally ... and then there's the matter of his posthumous name, Dr G. Yunupingu. I'm sorry about the snark ... I know you'd done more than removing serial commas. Graham87 04:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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The recent edits you made to John F. Kennedy document hoax constitute WP:EDIT WARring and have been reverted. Please do not continue to edit war on the page, or it may lead to loss of your editing privileges on Wikipedia. Instead, use the article's Talk page to discuss your proposal. Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:56, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of any edit-warring, all of my recent edits were style and phrasing improvements and they should never have been reverted in the first place. The behaviour of the other editor has been ridiculous and unjustifiable. Quizical (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is your edit warring, not their very normal editing behavior, that has been a problem. Few things on Wikipedia are more likely to lead to a block than edit warring. If you follow the WP:BRD process in the future, it will help you. Also, you should WP:AGF and that editors, especially experienced editors, are doing their best to improve (or maintain the quality) of the encyclopedia. So using words like "ridiculous" and "nonsense" will not help you and could lead to a WP:CIVIL block. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let me be very clear about this, reverting all of another editor's various edits just because of one arguable edit should not be considered "very normal editing behavior". It is disrespectful behaviour and an indication of an attitude of article ownership which is also not acceptable. I was also doing my best to improve the quality of the article and this should have been appreciated and respected by not reverting every edit. The way my editing has been treated is very offensive. Quizical (talk) 19:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Quizical, you would make a stronger argument if you would provide a tally of the total number of changes you'd made in your edit (the edit which was reverted), along with a count of how many of your changes are alleged to be the grounds for the reversion of the entire edit. What was the proportion of your changes which are alleged to have been undesirable, to those which were deemed to be acceptable? Of course it would be reasonable to revert a great number of errors all at once, even if to do so would sacrifice a few beneficial changes which had been part of the reverted edit—just as it would be unreasonable to revert a great number of improvements for the sake of eliminating a few mistakes. Has one of those two things happened? Objective data would clarify the matter. —catsmoke 20:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is quite simple and straightforward. There were no obvious "mistakes" - all of my careful and thoughtful editing was reverted simply because of only one change of "John F. Kennedy" to "Kennedy" which could have just been simply restored to the previous version. There is no reasonable excuse for what the reverting editor did. Quizical (talk) 21:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I actually reviewed all of Quizical's proposed changes and did not find any of them to be a clear improvement. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's very interesting, because I actually consider them all to be clear style improvements according to the MOS. It is still a verifiable fact that the only Kennedy referred to in the article - apart from one mention of Robert Kennedy in a photo caption - is JFK, so I'm certainly not conceding that this was an obvious editing error. I also suggest that you need to seriously reflect on your behaviour towards me. It is bordering on harassment. Quizical (talk) 21:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Quizical, you would make a stronger argument if you would provide a tally of the total number of changes you'd made in your edit (the edit which was reverted), along with a count of how many of your changes are alleged to be the grounds for the reversion of the entire edit. What was the proportion of your changes which are alleged to have been undesirable, to those which were deemed to be acceptable? Of course it would be reasonable to revert a great number of errors all at once, even if to do so would sacrifice a few beneficial changes which had been part of the reverted edit—just as it would be unreasonable to revert a great number of improvements for the sake of eliminating a few mistakes. Has one of those two things happened? Objective data would clarify the matter. —catsmoke 20:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let me be very clear about this, reverting all of another editor's various edits just because of one arguable edit should not be considered "very normal editing behavior". It is disrespectful behaviour and an indication of an attitude of article ownership which is also not acceptable. I was also doing my best to improve the quality of the article and this should have been appreciated and respected by not reverting every edit. The way my editing has been treated is very offensive. Quizical (talk) 19:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is your edit warring, not their very normal editing behavior, that has been a problem. Few things on Wikipedia are more likely to lead to a block than edit warring. If you follow the WP:BRD process in the future, it will help you. Also, you should WP:AGF and that editors, especially experienced editors, are doing their best to improve (or maintain the quality) of the encyclopedia. So using words like "ridiculous" and "nonsense" will not help you and could lead to a WP:CIVIL block. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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