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Hi Bill. Thanks for your comments. I edited the Venus page again in response. Wideangle 07:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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General epistles

In biblical literature usually is used the Catholic epistles (e.g. Metzger, Rhodes). Almost every biblical scholar use this term. I do not know why wikipedia uses General epistles, perhaps we should change it. We can use two of them, but Catholic epistles typical for the biblical scholars. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Leszek: Thank you for your comments. Permit me to suggest that Talk:General_epistles (currently empty!) would be the ideal place to conduct a discussion of this topic. Would you consider entering your comments there? Wideangle (talk) 21:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

You know, in many languages these two terms are used (not in Russian "Councils epistles"). We can use two of them. General epistles also are used very often. In fact I do not oppose. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

In America, "catholic" is almost never used by laymen to mean anything other than Roman Catholic. Therefore, its use in the phrase "Catholic epistles" (especially when "Catholic" is capitalized!) is misleading when read by laymen. (By the way, I looked at http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Leszek_Ja%C5%84czuk and I am very impressed!) Wideangle (talk) 01:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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Using previously published sources: Kirsten Rosenberg

Hello. Thanks for expanding Kirsten Rosenberg. I'm afraid, however, that some of the content you added duplicated with minimal alterations material from http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3PwqT_LB3vsJ:www.upc-online.org/forum2001speakers.html+%22Kirsten+Rosenberg+is+a+lifelong+animal+advocate+and+a+vegetarian+since+the+age+of+12.%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com. This content has had to be removed until it is released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)

The source says:

Kirsten Rosenberg is a lifelong animal advocate and a vegetarian since the age of 12. She has been professionally involved in the animal protection movement since 1991, when she began working for the L.A.-based Ark Trust. As Project Assistant, Kirsten helped produce the annual Genesis Awards ceremony and TV show, while also serving on California's veterinary state licensing committee. In 1996, Kirsten joined The Animals' Agenda as Assistant Editor.

You added the following (bolding to show exact duplication):

Rosenberg has been an animal advocate and a vegetarian since the age of 12. She has been professionally involved in the animal protection movement since 1991, when she began working for the Los Angeles-based Ark Trust. As Project Assistant, she helped produce the annual Genesis Awards ceremony and TV show, while also serving on California's veterinary state licensing committee. In 1996, she joined the staff of The Animals' Agenda magazine as Assistant Editor and later became the Managing Editor.

For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed or closely paraphrased from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Comparing them side by side, it may be easier to see where you have copied content precisely. The changes in the first sentence are too minimal, I'm afraid. The final sentence would probably have been fine if not in conjunction with the rest of the material.

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Wear these administrivial dings with pride

I notice your page here is overrun by semi-automatic and piddling bureaucratic notes from various systems and overzealous editors. FEAR NOT! Your work on Frank H. Ogawa is very nicely done and shows you are a true Wikipedian. jk (talk) 12:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Jeremy. It is a privilege to work on these articles. I knew nothing about Frank Ogawa before. It is so fitting that there be a Frank Ogawa Wikipedia article. Thank you for creating it! Wideangle (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Spanaway Anachronisms

Since you seem to have done a fair amount of editing on Spanaway, Washington, I thought I would call your attention to a couple of quibbles I just raised there: anachronisms. --Haruo (talk) 20:48, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, Haruo. Your comments look totally convincing to me. You are the knowledgable person; please make the changes as you think best. Wideangle (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. Let me know what you think. (I don't work in the English Wikipedia that much.) It was a stagecoach, not a motorcade.--Haruo (talk) 17:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Good job! I changed "Czaykowski-Higgins" to "Czaykowska-Higgins" (Google Books has it incorrect)). Wideangle (talk) 00:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Haruo (talk) 16:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Jack Schaap scandal

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Nomination of Cupertino quarry shooting for deletion

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Re: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows

Aloha. I have a few questions about your latest edits. First of all, you say that "Joy does not generally identify herself as an animal "rights" activist". I'm curious about hearing more on that subject, but the majority of the sources refer to her as such. You also changed "animal rights" scholars to "animal advocates". I'm guessing you have a reason for this as well. I'm not a big fan of external links sections, as I believe much of the time such links can be best incorporated into the body of the article as references. This helps avoid a lot of the spammy links people add. Which brings us to the "Vegan Mainstream" link. I think VM is a great idea, and I would like to know more about it, but I'm not convinced it makes for an appropriate link in this article. On the other hand, if there is anything we can use in the article about the book, it may be useful as a reference. Considering the previous controversy (linked on the talk page) that this article went through, including the three separate deletion discussions, I think it is an extremely bad idea to return to the same problematic editing that led to its deletion. I have intentionally tried to steer the article away from these issues and to use only the highest quality sources. It may be that you are not familiar with these problems, but linking to a marketing source and a commercial website, while removing commonly used language seems to be placing the article in jeopardy once again. I would prefer if we did not go down this road. Viriditas (talk) 23:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Shalom, Viriditas. You say, "Considering the previous controversy (linked on the talk page) that this article went through, including the three separate deletion discussions, ..."; I beg to point out that it wasn't this article that underwent controversy; it was the "Melanie Joy" article and the "Carnism" article.

To expand on my note, I don't see that Joy particularly identifies herself as a proponent of "animal rights", "animal protection", "animal welfare", "animal liberation", or an "abolitionist". These terms all have varying shades of meaning and may roughly be placed at various spots on a spectrum of animal-movement ideology. Consider Wayne Pacelle, the president of HSUS. Pacelle almost invariably refers to himself and to the HSUS using the phrase "animal protection". He correctly avoids self-identifying as an "animal rights" proponent, as that would convey an incorrect connotation. Yet, if you Google <<"wayne pacelle" "animal rights">> you get 44,100 hits, whereas if you Google <<"wayne pacelle" "animal protection">> you get only 26,300 hits. Why do so many people apply the term "animal rights" when it is not appropriate? One reason is that many people don't know the difference. More reasons: "animal rights" takes fewer letters to spell and fewer syllables to say. Another reason: people opposed to the animal movement understand that much of the public is rubbed the wrong way by the phrase "animal rights", so they deliberately apply that phrase to their opponents in order to discredit them. An example: "In 2004 Wayne Pacelle was named president of the world’s richest animal rights organization, the Humane Society of the United States." (http://www.humanewatch.org/person/wayne_pacelle/). Another example: "Wayne Pacelle is the president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), an extremist animal rights group that deceptively portrays itself as an animal welfare organization." (http://www.activistcash.com/person/3366-wayne-pacelle/)

I will try to address your other questions over the next several days. Wideangle (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Viriditas: I resume my response to your comments and questions. I understand that you are "not a big fan of external links sections". However, it is normal for a good Wikipedia article to contain an External links section. I just checked the Wikipedia "Today's featured article" for the 31 days of October 2013 (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/October_2013) and found that 21 of the articles have External links sections and 10 do not (the 10 are the articles for October 10, 11, 12, 16, 18, 20, 24, 26, 30, and 31).

It is normal for the Wikipedia article about a commercial publication to list the publication's "Official website" in its Exernal links section. Examples:

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As to the link to the author interview (http://www.veganmainstream.com/2012/02/24/feature-interview-melanie-joy-on-books-documentaries-and-carnism/), the interview is mostly about this book, so it's very appropriate to include this link. Wideangle (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

It's a marketing website interview. It doesn't really meet the criteria for an external link, however, I'm willing to waive the criteria and use it in the article if it is relevant. Viriditas (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I moved the link to that interview into the "Author interviews" section. Wideangle (talk) 20:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:BLP and reliable sourcing

Hi Wideangle. I've just undone your recent addition to Gary Yourofsky. Your addition cited a forum post (which in turned linked to an inaccessible newspaper link) and contained negative (and negatively-phrased) information about a living person. Per our policy on handling the biographies of living people, information added to these articles must be reliably sourced and neutrally handled, and that goes double for negative information. A forum post doesn't meet that bar of reliability, and at any rate even if the information were sourced, we would cover it with an encyclopedic voice and not provide colorful, conclusion-drawing commentary like "emotional outburst", "Yourofsky was angered" or "slung [something]". Please do give a read to our BLP policies before editing another BLP article; it's a policy that we take very, very seriously. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Fluffernutter. I understand and I will try again, striving to do better this time. By the way, I was preparing to do an archiveurl for the referenced newspaper article. Wideangle (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. I noticed you requested a name change at Berkeley riots (1960s), and I've put a request for comments and discussion on the talk page, so maybe you can swing by and riot or protest at your convenience. Thanks, Randy Kryn 18:33, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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Wow, you're right. Yikes! I didn't see the word "yesterday". I'll fix that. Thanks, Kzirkel! Mksword (talk) 04:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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First off, the AIP is only active in California, so whoever wins that state's primary is the nominee unless the nominee drops out. Second, America's Party and Tom Hoefling both admit they are no longer affiliated with the AIP. (This was posted on the party's own Facebook page.) The source that was on this page claiming Hoefling was going to be the nominee, I might add, was from June and before the primary was actually held, so it appears to have been made in error. Hoefling ran in the AIP primary but lost. Unless Spears withdrew from the race, it appears he's the AIP nominee for President. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Please see Talk:American_Independent_Party#Official_2016_AIP_nominees_for_U.S._President_and_Vice_President . Mksword (talk) 21:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Charlie Ayers and Parsippany High School

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• These edits to Parsippany High School add this source, which mentions Parsippany, but not Parsippany High School. The Passover recipe tips are great, but it's unclear why this source would be relevant here. The article title is Charlie Ayers, and any details of his birth name belong in his article, not here. Without an explanation, these edits will be removed, again. Alansohn (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

You had said that the New York Times article "makes no mention of Parsippany HS, let alone Parsippany". The "Google Seder" article does mention Parsippany; that's why I added the citation to it. Mksword (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

It was the way the NYT source was added that made it appear that it was about his notability; it does mention Parsippany, but nothing more. The underlying issue is that neither source, whether the Times or Moment magazine, mention Parsippany High School. The classcreator.com site does, but isn't reliable. I've looked through Google, and I haven't found anything better that would establish a connection. Alansohn (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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The quote you inserted from the NY Times journalist lacks parallelism and is ambiguous. Yes, "she would be the first female president". But she would not be "the first American Samoan, the first from Hawaii, the first surfer, the first vegan." She would be the first president of American Samoan descent, …. Also the “lays claim” makes it appear Gabbard might have made these statements about herself rather than these being attributions made by the journalist. I think it should be removed. Thoughts? Humanengr (talk) 20:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@AlsoWukai, I see you edited the footnote. Thoughts re my cmt above? Humanengr (talk) 23:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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