User talk:Mdupont/Archive 1

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WARNING TO WIKIHOUNDS

My pleasure and enjoyment of editing Wikipedia project has been disrupted repeatedly in the past year.

In my humble opinion, this disruption is caused in part by the emotional nature of some articles, and the natural and learned responses. Some of these responses are a form of Political_repression and Human_rights_abuses of the albanian speakers of Kosovo.

The history of repression against the Kosovars is long, see also the main kosovo article, "Harsh repressive measures were imposed on Kosovo Albanians" Kosovo#Kosovo_in_Communist_Yugoslavia.

It seems to me that there is a repeated pattern of Wikipedia:HOUND#Wikihounding against the people who attempt to edit anything about Kosovo on the wikipedia. Compounded with a lack of skill, many of the editors frequently give up, and conclude that the wikipedia does not want them.

This is a major disruption of the project on the area of kosovo, and you will find many parallel articles and conflicting viewpoints.

That is why I request assistance and arbiration of the entire matter of Kosovo in the Wikipedia. I have outlined my points Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kosovo/Attention_needed here and I proposed to merge these parallel articles and give a current, yet neutral point of view if that is possible. The POV branching of kosovo has to end and we need to merge these branches , not only that but we have to semantically align the serbian and albanian wikipedia so that they will not be pov specific, but all retain the same high standard of the wikipedia.

Harassment, threats, repeated annoying and unwanted contact, and repeated personal attacks are what we experience when editing Kosovo articles. I ask for this to be brought to the attention of the community and that we find a civil way to resolve this conflict.

Please read first this page Wikipedia:Harassment and Wikipedia:HOUND#Wikihounding before you start writing on my talk page, deleting my articles, policing my user homepage, and reverting my edits. see the list of unpleasant things that I have experienced, in an anonymized manner on my satrire page, wikitroll User:Mdupont/WikiTrolls, that is the type of things that make my using and editing of the wikipedia unpleasant.

I request also that my talk page not be used to discuss articles, but the talk page of the article itself. If you want to leave me a short notice that you have updated the talk, please do, but I should get the message itself. thanks. mike

James Michael DuPont 09:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

IF YOU HAVE READ ALL THAT NOW WE CAN TALK

Welcome to the Wikipedia

Here are some links I thought useful: Feel free to contact me personally with any questions you might have. Wikipedia:About, Wikipedia:Help desk, and Wikipedia:Village pump Be Bold!

Sam Spade (talk · contribs) 08:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Regarding gcc/Introspector

Hi, a couple of years ago I followed the discussions about your gcc introspector project on the gcc mailing lists because I was working on a related project, unfortunately the FSF wasn't yet ready for it back then, however apparently things are about to change right now, so I thought you might be interested in the discussions ongoing on the gcc mailing lists right now regarding a possible "gcc runtime library license" in order to facilitate a plugin API for binary gcc plugins (GPL), see [1] for details and links to the corresponding discussions. Maybe this will eventually enable projects like the introspector to be implemented. All the best!--Parallelized (talk) 12:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Some hints

I would be grateful if you could try to integrate the edits you are making into the rest of the article. I am refering in particular to your addition to tridiagonal matrix. On that page, I removed the sentence "A tridiagonal matrix is a asymmetric bidiagonal matrix" because bidiagonal matrix is often used with a different meaning (a matrix with nonzero entries only on the diagonal and either the superdiagonal or the subdiagonal). Furthermore, I think that you should use less capitals. But most importantly, I am glad to see our coverage of numerical linear algebra expanded and I look forward to your future additions. Best wishes, Jitse Niesen 12:56, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Moving pages

Please don't move pages via cut-n-paste (as you did with Matrix representation), as this loses the history, which we need to keep for Wikipedia:Copyright reasons. It makes work for an admin (me, in this case) who has to come along and perform special hand-done magic to put the history back together. In future, please do moves with the "Move this page" link; that's what it's there for! If the button won't work (as it sometimes doesn't, e.g. in this case), please use WP:RM to request an admin's assistance with the move. Noel (talk) 03:55, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks!

Elementary reflector (mathematics)

Hi there. I just wonder if you plan to do any kind of expansion on elementary reflector (mathematics). It was nice that you started it, but it is in a very sorry state. Even a couple of sentences would help. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov 03:20, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Software Expo

I suppose you can put up the article after the expo has actually happened. But so far, this is... no one knows what this will be. It's speculation.

Sorry. DS (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

Mike, thanks for inviting me to the event. I'll make sure to attend the event. I've seen fliers in the city and was thinking about it but your invitation convinced me :) Thanks. --alchaemia (talk) 12:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

I do not see what I have to contribute to the conference. I am not an expert on open source things. Sorry. :( Perhaps if it included some other things, but I am not really into technology. As for going there, would you guys provide any resources? It's expensive to go there from the US - and then hey, where would I stay, how much would it all cost... I really do not know, and there seem to not be many informations about accommodation and stuff like that. Plus, being a Serb I would be worried for my own safety there, so safety is also an issue.

I am not sure what the wikimedia kosovo thing is? Could you explain it to me? What is the difference between it and the page for Kosovo? (LAz17 (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).

Invitation

Thank you for inviting me. Unfortunately I won't be able to attend the event. Rayhou (talk) 22:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: map source

Mike, the map is not mine. It was created by Sémhur and you can find it in his profile page. Since he used Serbian names only, I edited the map and added Albanian language names as well. Since he's the original creator of the map, I feel it would be best to ask him for permission. As for the modified Albanian/Serbian-language map, should he be OK with using the original (Serbian-language only) I'm totally fine with you using the modified (Albanian/Serbian) one. Edit: Upon further inspection, it seems as Semhur has licensed it under GNU 2.0 and that allows using it freely as long as you credit him, and if you want to use my version, myself. I don't think asking him is necessary, but you can go ahead and do so if you wish. --alchaemia (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Geodata

There are some others who want to export the data from wikipedia, see my talk page for a discussion and tools:~dispenser/view/Geodata. — Dispenser 17:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

That uncivil comment on the article's talk page just earned you a 31-hour timeout. The article has been deleted yet again for a complete and utter lack of content. You are welcome to contribute meaningfully when the block expires, but please do not breach WP:CIVIL again. Thank you.--PMDrive1061 (talk) 20:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Heavy Handed

PMDrive1061, I dont know why you are acting like this. It is really upsetting. I have been spending hours and days trying to promote the usage of wikipedia here in kosovo. there is hardly any information on things written down, and we need stubs. How can I tell people to use wikipedia if they have thier work just deleted? What is wrong with a stub?

I think that it is rude to just delete someones work while they are editing it. You have my email, contact details. I dont even have a backup of the page in wikipedia. Now you are blocking me from editing ? That is really bad.

This is the way that you scare away new editors, many people here say that they have similar problems. How are we going to promote the usage of wikipedia? By deleting things? Where should we put articles about old churches? They need to be documented somewhere.

• Yes, they do. However, I really take exception to being called a "troll." Nothing here is ever lost, so all you really had to do was to ask that the article be undeleted since you were still working on it. I regret the misunderstanding, I hate the thought of blocking an experienced editor and getting off on the wrong foot with you, so I will gladly unblock your account and restore the article. I would suggest that you do take a moment and expand it in case another administrator stumbles on it and deletes it for the same reason I did. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've unblocked your account and restored the article and talk page. I give you my word that I won't delete your work in the future. If you ever require administrative assistance, I hope you'll look to me. PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

More information about the moschee

Muderis Ali Efendi is a Mosque in Prizren. Name : xhamia “Muderis Ali efendi” Build on : 1581 Imam is :Bashkim Spahiu Religion is : Osman Bekteshi Founder Ali Efendi is buried in the garden. Used as a red cross center in WWII, fair amount of damage. Famous for the 1908 three yearboykot of catholic shops.

42.2070625°N 20.7373286°E / 42.2070625; 20.7373286

Sources : http://sq.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vitviteja/Xhamia_n%C3%AB_Shqipni#cite_note-RDI199-5

More : http://books.google.com/books?id=GCRjKdrmqqEC&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=%22Ali-Efendi%22+prizren&source=bl&ots=_-4Pnw-yX1&sig=dxobsmuISm6v-B_38O_SnV5D1hI&hl=en&ei=DYuASumIMdCJ_ga17fTnBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=%22Ali-Efendi%22%20prizren&f=false Kosovo By Gail Warrander, Verena Knaus:

http://www.asmakat.com/prizenlihayat.htm

Müderris Ali Efendi: """ ......Müderris Ali Efendi, Prizren’de bir medrese kurmuş ve bu medresede öğretmenlik yapmıştır. Baydavi’nin Kur’an tefsirini de yorumlayan Müderris Ali Efendi’nin cenazesi,

1581 yılında yapılmış olan ve aynı adı taşıyan caminin avlusundaki bir türbededir.

"""

"" Müderris Ali Efendi, Prizren'de founded a madrasah and a teacher at the madrasah yapmıştır. Baydavi 'interpretation of the Qur'an, the commentary Müderris Ali Efendi's funeral, was built in 1581 and bearing the same name as the mosque's courtyard is a shrine.""

Possible source: http://www.aneks8komisija.com.ba/main.php?id_struct=50&lang=4&action=view&id=2405

""" The vakufnama is dated 15 Dhu l-Qa’dah 1171, i.e. 21 July 1758, the date when Mehmed paša legalized it in the sarai (sarayi alide) of the Bosnian vali in Travnik before the Travnik judge in the presence of the muteveli, one Ali-efendi, son of Husejnbeg. The document reveals that he had erected at his own cost and endowed on that date the following buildings: """

Mdupont (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

You are most welcome

I'm very glad that this worked out. What is your girlfriend's username and what article was deleted? I would be happy to look into the matter and offer a solution. For her information, first articles are often deleted for any number of reasons. I've been editing this site on and off for seven years and I've had a few of my own articles deleted as well; I'm not above it. I have to run, but please feel free to leave word on my talk page if your girlfriend wishes to give things another try. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lorenc Antoni

A tag has been placed on Lorenc Antoni requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Backup

We do not use talk pages for backup, as you did with Talk:Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour, Prizren. If the article history is not sufficient backup, create user pages, eg. user:Mdupont/sandbox. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:Religious Places in Prizren

Hello, about Category:Religious Places in Prizren, maybe there's a misunderstanding about how categories work. You don't create a category by writing up a list of its members on the category page itself. A category is created by creating a more or less empty page at Category:Religious places in Prizren, writing separate articles for each intended member, and then placing the code [[Category:Religious places in Prizren]] in each article.

What you have now at the category page is more like a list article. It would belong in main article space, if anywhere. Do you want me to move it to List of religious places in Prizren? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, the page in its "under-construction" stage is still so messy, it would probably be better to move it to your user space instead, so you can work on it at your leisure. So, let's move it to User:Mdupont/List of religious places in Prizren, and when you're done writing it, you can move it to List of religious places in Prizren. Deal? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I see where you're coming from, but we really do expect content that is placed in the main content space to be a bit more "finished". This kind of drafting is really what user subpages are for. If you want more people to see it, a better way would be to advertise it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kosovo, where people with local interests are likely to hang out. Look, here's my offer: I'll move the page for you; I'll fix up the category page so it works well within the category hierarchy, and I'll help you a bit with the rest of the categorising and organising Okay? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of SoftwareFreedomKosovo

I have nominated SoftwareFreedomKosovo, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SoftwareFreedomKosovo. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Miym (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of SKOSI

A tag has been placed on SKOSI requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Eeekster (talk) 10:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia projects

I have been following the map-l and openstreetmap closely. There was a status report posted just recently: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/maps-l/2009-September/000270.html

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates

Also there is a big discussion on the idea that wikipedia data can be imported into openstreetmap, because supposedly the coordinates from Wikipedia are copied from non free sources.: http://www.nabble.com/Wikipedia-POI-import--td23392791.html

In my opinion, What is really missing for example is the ability to find all the articles that occur in a geographic location.

I would like to see all the articles about Beijing for example, but it is not easy. Google provides some of this, but it could be better.

On a different dimension, time not space :

another project that I would like to see it a WikiTimeLine It would be great to be able to extract all the data references out of the wikipedia articles and put the on a time line. Mdupont (talk) 02:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of FaradinHoti (street in Prizren, Kosovo)

The article FaradinHoti (street in Prizren, Kosovo) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No evidence of why this street is notable, completely unreferenced

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Terrillja _talk 20:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

SFK09

Hello, I read your comment on my talk page first now about that wiki event that took place in Pristina in July. I have taken a short wikibreak that has become a long one and I had not time to check what was gong on here. Thank you for the invitation and I hope I will be able to attend your events next summer in case you organize anything. I think WIkimedia Kosovo is needed and let me know if I can contribute in any way. Best regards --NOAH (talk) 19:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 13:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Longitude problem for Russian inhabited localities

Hi, Mdupont! Just wanted to thank you for pointing out the problem with the Russian inhabited localities located in the Western hemisphere and to inform you that I have fixed that bug by adding a new longEW parameter to the {{Infobox Russian inhabited locality}} infobox. If that parameter is set to W for the inhabited localities in the Western hemisphere, both the coordinates and the locator map will function properly (I have corrected both Lavrentiya and Uelen articles accordingly).

With that in mind, could you, please, tag {{Infobox Russian inhabited locality west}} and {{Infobox Russian city west}} with {{db-g7}}, as those two templates are no longer needed. I could, of course, list them on CfD, but if you tag them yourself we'll avoid the red tape and wasting others' time.

Once again, thanks for your help!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:02, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike! I see someone has already deleted these two. I have, however, missed the third similar template—{{Infobox Russian inhabited locality West}} (note a different capitalization of "West"). Would you, please, be so kind as to tag that one as well? Thanks a bunch!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 11:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:BirthCertificate JamesMaximeDuPont.jpg

File Copyright problem

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{{subst:db-policy-notice|Template:Infobox Kosovian district|nowelcome=|{{{key1}}}={{{value1}}}}} Tadija^speaks 17:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Kosovo District, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. I explained you million times! STOP. those are historic districts, Also, we have consensus not to put Kosovo pov flag. Stop, or i will report you. What do you think? I explained you numerous times? Please, man, stop! If you dont understand, dont edit. Tadija^speaks 17:12, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Districts

I will try only once more.

Those districts are kept as HISTORICAL ARTICLES. Those districts was existing 1990-1999. They should NOT be edited with any new RoK material. Those are NOT districts by RoK. Republic of Kosovo flags should NOT be added, as we have consensus about that. Names of the town SHOULD be in Serbian, as we also have consensus about that. Do you understand, or i should explain one more time? --Tadija^speaks 17:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

please dont fill up my talk page, use this page for kosovo issues, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kosovo/Attention_needed thanks. mike

This is not question of kosovo issues, as i explained you. Anyway, as you don't understand me again, i will invite some admin to advice you. Be good, all best. --Tadija^speaks 19:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Please cite your claims. Show me links if there is some agreement. Show me the policy on historical articles. James Michael DuPont 20:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

??? What do you mean? Request to remove flag is just one small portion of entire rule set. MOSKOS is also there. And what policy on historical articles, what are you talking about? This is encyclopedia, almost all articles here are historical? Should we merge German Empire and Weimar Republic into Germany? At the end, it is all the same territory. :) You see? --Tadija^speaks 20:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Do these articles clearly state they are historical, are you saying we need an entire set of parallel articles? please show me the wikipedia policy for this. thanks, mike James Michael DuPont 20:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

For what?? What are you talking about? In articles intro clearly state:

"&&&&&& District was a district in Kosovo between 1990 and 1999."

What more do you need?? If you want, see this (WP:WIAA, WP:LS and WP:MOS) --Tadija^speaks 20:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

So where are we going to document the albanian names? I think we should use the new template for the kosovo districts instead of the serbian district, that way we can find them easily. Also we need to have the links between the former and new districts. Peja_District and Peć_District_(Serbia). There should be a clear disambiguation, because did not even see there were parallel articles. I find this whole setup you have not informative and confusing. it needs to be changed. James Michael DuPont 20:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Other districts de jure still exist. And that edits of your are breach of most important Wiki rule. WP:NPOV. You should not add Republic of Kosovo in there, as RoK is still unrecognized county, by majority of the world. For majority, this is the way to find them easily. Dont add underscore ( _ ) between words in article space. That is not good. And we will not use Albanian names for those thing, as we agreed here. I will create disambiguate links tomorrow. In neutral way, so you will see. --Tadija^speaks 21:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

your removing of the disambiguate links is a clear problem. I am going to request arbitration, I dont want to have to have an edit race with you.James Michael DuPont 21:22, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration? :) Or you may talk in article talk page with proposal. Then other editors tell their opinion, and we found best solution. I will add disambig now, and you will see what i mean about hat. --Tadija^speaks 21:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

yes arbitration, here is my request. you have been served. [[http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement_by_User:Mdupont James Michael DuPont 21:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

O, man. First, you didnt fill request well, second, arbitration needs to be accepted first, and when it is accepted, it may last for weeks and weeks. Those articles are on my watchlist, so when you add something completely out of space, i fix that. Now all of those are fixes. If you think that we are in some kind of dispute, arbitration is very last step. I added all links now, you may see it, i thing that will be good. And, on the other, as you think that i stalk you, or whatever, then i am gone! I helped you to fix articles you created, as they were in complete mess! And, as i told you earlier, i will inform someone else to help you, as there are much more things here you need. Ciao! --Tadija^speaks 21:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not as experienced in wikipedia as you are, but I know that I need help. I can imagine that less skilled people will be afraid of your wikistalking or whatever you are doing, but I am not going to be bullied or threatend by you.

Case request archival

Hello. I have archived your recent case request as it was mathematically impossible for it to be accepted. The arbitrators commented with some helpful suggestions for the proper way to seek resolution, please do check them out. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Aline Rhonie

No probleem. It will be helpful if you can add any info from offline sources (books, newspapers etc.) I'm trying to get the article to DYK

SPat ^talk 13:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Kosovo etc & ARBMAC notification

Further to this thread at the Administrators' notice board:

• Your request for arbitration has been refused. Arbitration is Wikipedia's court of last resort and you have to show that previous attempts at dispute resolution have failed before arbitration will even be considered.
• As Tadija has suggested, the first step towards dispute resolution is to engage in discussion on article talkpages. Clearly you have one view and Tadija has another; only by exploring this with other editors can you start to find out what the general consensus is. There's nothing wrong with challenging consensus - it can change - but continuing to make edits that you have been informed may be problematic will rapidly lead to your account being blocked for disruption and treating Wikipedia as a battleground. Please read Wikipedia:Consensus for more information on how Wikipedia works.
• Because the articles where you have been working have been the subject of considerable friction in the past, an Arbitration case back in December 2007 passed a binding ruling known as WP:ARBMAC. Designed to enable administrators to deal with disruption in this difficult area, among other things the ruling states: "Any uninvolved administrator may, on their own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if that editor fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, the expected standards of behavior, or the normal editorial process. The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; restrictions on reverts; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project. Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision." This is your formal notification of that decision.

I hope you can work this out in a collegiate and collaborative way. Wikipedia can be very rewarding as long as new editors take it slowly, learn our core policies and listen to (and ask questions of) their more experienced peers. Hope this helps, EyeSerene^talk 14:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

""continuing to make edits that you have been informed may be problematic"" please explain which edits these are. Are you telling me to stop any one edit that I have, can you please be more specific. "impose sanctions" are you planning on imposing any sanctions, and if so, please explain the offense exactly. I am confused. I requested arbitration because I feel that my enjoyment of wikipedia is being hurt. If you are working with kosovo like I am, you need to be able to also know the albanian names. the wikipedia should also contain the albanian names of places, because I know mostly the albanian ones, even if my albanian is very bad. I think that it is perfectly standard to include a "name (sq:Emri)" like addition to the wikipedia that will help users. It is standard on the Kosovo page and I added an additional one as a test, my edits there were not revised. there is no reason why we cannot add the albanian names to the places with a majority albanian population, is there?

thanks mike James Michael DuPont 18:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I'll reply here to keep everything in one place. To take your points in order:

• Tadija let you know that there might be a problem with including Albanian names in those articles you were adding them to. As an administrator I have no opinion about the appropriateness of your edits (admins have no right to dictate article content), but the fact that another editor was letting you know there could be an issue was the point where Wikipedia recommends editors stop making similar article edits and move straight to discussion. I was concerned that you might have been heading for an edit war and wanted to prevent that.
• I'm not planning on imposing any sanctions at this time; my comment was just a warning. I or any other admin would issue sanctions only to protect Wikipedia from disruption (such as incivility, edit warring etc). The fact that you've responded positively and initiated discussion on various article talk pages demonstrates your goodwill and willingness to work within Wikipedia's rules, which is all we ask. Wikipedia is a huge and complex place and no-one is expected to know every policy or get everything right.
• I notified you of WP:ARBMAC because doing so is pretty much a standard precaution admins take when contacting any new editors in disputes over Balkans-related articles. Due to the large amount of ethnic conflict we've seen over the years from editors who come here for the wrong reasons, we've found it's helpful to warn people up front of the potential consequences of causing trouble in this sensitive area. I'm not accusing you of this - as I say, it's just a standard notice.
• If you find you don't seem to be getting anywhere in your negotiations with other editors, there are some suggestions on WP:DR that may prove useful. Ideally we want every dispute to be resolved through debate rather than less collegiate means, and WP:DR lists a number of ways that Wikipedia can help to facilitate that (from requesting third opinions to Requests for Comment from outside editors to ultimately Arbcom). However, we also expect editors to accept (with as much good grace as possible) the verdict when consensus goes against them... even if they believe it's clearly wrong.

I hope this helps. If you have any more questions, feel free to drop me a note. EyeSerene^talk 12:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, well it seems that he has stopped reverting my edits of adding Albanian names. I hope he will leave me alone as well. thanks. Mike. James Michael DuPont (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Johann August Zeune wb.jpg

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File source problem with File:Johann August Zeune wb.jpg

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DYK for Aline Rhonie Hofheimer

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Saint Angelina of Kruje

Where did you find the sources for this edit? Per Elsie Saint Angelina of Kruje didn't remarry. --Sulmues ^(talk) 21:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Timeline of Kosovo history

Hi Mdupont

Can you please see my note about your contribution on the talk page of Timeline of Kosovo history (Talk:Timeline of Kosovo history). Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Narta(Albania)

Hi, there were several problems with this article you just created: 1: There needs to be a space before a disambiguation using brackets - eg "Narta (Albania)" 2: But geographical article names use commas, not brackets - eg "Narta, Albania" 3: But, as I discovered after I had spent some time on this stub, there is already an article at Nartë which says it is also known as Narta. The editor who created that article should have made a redirect from the alternative name "Narta", but doesn't seem to have done so. By the time I found this I'd already moved a Croatian page and made a disambiguation page. I've now redirected your stub to the existing article.

Both your stub and the existing article cite the same page 211 of the same guidebook, so you should have checked whether there was an existing Wikipedia article at either name before creating this stub. But the other editor was also at fault in not adding a redirect. PamD (talk) 22:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Pam is did not find this article, because i did not know to type the name like that! James Michael DuPont (talk) 07:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

"Writter" etc

In this edit to Rachel Chiesley, Lady Grange, you :

• changed the spelling "writter" to "writer" although this was within a quoted text with other archaic spellings and is likely to have been correctly transcribed.
• changed a British spelling to an American spelling in an article about a Scotswoman
• linked Margaret Nicholson, which leads to an obviously wrong article (check the dates)
• linked other terms such as Rankeillor and John Chiesley, which the article's editor had chosen not to link, probably having decided that no article was ever likely to be written on them.

I can see no reason for any of these edits, so have reverted your edit.

Please be more careful in future: don't change text within quotes; don't make links unless you are sure that the destination is appropriate; think carefully before making redlinks in articles which appear to be well written with a good range of relevant links; don't change UK to US spellings or vice versa unless there is clear justification (see WP:ENGVAR). Thanks. PamD (talk) 22:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks pam, it is ok. Now I understand that it was old english. I have been on a "writter" rampage, cleaning up a bunch of articles that are obviously wrong. Now I have learned better. Need to add a writter article.

November 2010

Please do not move a page to a title that is harder to follow or move it unilaterally against naming conventions or consensus, as you did to Gjeravica. This includes making page moves while a discussion remains under way. We have some guidelines to help with deciding what title is best for a subject. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Thank you. Read Talk:Đeravica WhiteWriter ^speaks 12:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

talk on the talk page of the article. I responded there. There are many people who live there who what the article named in albanian. I understand that you dont live there and have a different viewpoint, and I dont expect you to agree. James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Your actions lead you to ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 11:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I see. Well I guess you are serious about this. I will leave the article naming issue alone until we find a better way to address it. thanks James Michael DuPont (talk) 11:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Final Warning

Copy-pasting material constitutes a copyright violation. This is your final warning. If you continue to violate copyright-regulations, you may be blocked from editing. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 11:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I dont understand what copyright violation was done. please explain. thanks, mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 11:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping (which you seem to have done). It's not so much the copyvio (that's an easily fixed technical worry stemming from how you copy pasted the text), it's the disruption you stirred up by turning the redirect into a PoV fork, which one cannot do, along with this having been a non-consensus "halfway move" of the page. Meanwhile this whole topic area is under Wikipedia:General_sanctions, which means a disruptive or edit warring editor can be quickly sanctioned or blocked by an uninvolved admin. So, now that you've been made aware, please understand that you must gather consensus for whatever it is you want to do, however easy or hard building consensus may be. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. No more forking and renaming of articles. my bad. I promise to stop! James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Naming and status of Kosovo pages

Hi, I would like to express a few ideas about the current status of Kosovo in wikipedia.

First the facts :

• There are a large number of articles about Kosovo that are maintained in the Wikiproject serbia WP:Serbia and Wikiproject Kosovo WP:Kosovo.
• The articles are generally using the serbian names and serbian strange letters. It has been argued according to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) and Wikipedia:Common_name#Common_names and Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English)#Modified_letters

See Đeravica for a good example of this discussion. I dont even want to argue about these names, because I dont see any chance of changing them. My points are more to improve the quality and usability of the articles by providing more names in them.

• The serbian team does not accept the independance of kosovo and points that out in many places, I see that we have to accept this and cannot force them to. Important is that we find a way to cooperate on improving the wikipedia.

I have been working on recruiting new editors to wikipedia most of them complain about the names of the articles, and see the naming of places where they live in serbian as biased. We have to be able to get over that for now, for the very point of improving the wikipedia. We need to focus on content and not just renaming.

Here are some of my issues :

• The albanian names of things not on the main article in the head get mostly deleted. For example if an item is listed with a link, the link name is also only in serbian, and that makes it hard to search for and find pages. I would appreciate it if we can link pages with names in albanian as well.

• The articles that are not added yet, so lists of places that are not even on the wikipedia, those need to have the albanian names, because they are stubbed out in a parent page.

• There are a large number of parallel pages, I would consider them to be Wikipedia:POVFORK forks , but they can also be seen as basically historical forks. This can be see in the Districts of Kosovo that are no longer even used, the districts have a Serbia page as we. There are the municipalities of Kosovo which are the new pages. I would like to propose the following guidelines.
  • Each district of Serbia POV [2] (eg : Prizren_District_(Serbia) page must be clearly understood to be an historical page (or POV Fork) , documenting how it was under serbian control and that his no long valid. It has to link to the newer District of Kosovo page [[3]] (eg District_of_Prizren(, and Ideally it should contain information about the new Municipalities Municipalities_of_Kosovo that are replacing them.
    • Each district of Kosovo page must be also have links to the old serbia page, and more importantly document the Municipalities that it has been disolved into. These districts of Kosovo are also really out of date.
    • Each location mentioned for the first time without a link should contain the various names of it as if it was an article heading, including the coordinates etc. I have extracted these from the geonames database and prepared them here : http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Social_sciences/Geography,_cities,_regions_and_named_places/Kosovo and http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Social_sciences/Geography,_cities,_regions_and_named_places#Kosovo
  • There are detailed articles about places in Kosovo in the albanian and serbian, also in the croatian wikipedia, a short examination of them shows gives me the feeling that they are somewhat POV non neutral. We need to review these articles in translation and look for big differences.
• My opinion is that we need to reach a consensus on this issue of kosovo so that we can continue in a peaceful manner. I will send a link to this page to others for review and ask them to comment.
• It occurs to me that we need a Note on all pages about Kosovo that describes the conflict, not just on the Republic of Kosovo pages. Prizren_District_(Serbia) does not contain the Kosovo note, or explain that it is totally outdated information, this is reducing the quality of the wikipedia.

thanks Mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

hello... I am very sympathetic to the name-issue, though I cannot give any particular stance. I don't know much about the conflict, though certainly I live in a place where Kosovo is regarded an independent country. :My concern was mainly with following the copyright policies and other stuff. As long as you won't go that way anymore, I won't interfere.

The only thing I can tell you that it isn't really all that important what English speakers prefer to call it; there are many places in the United States, for example, whose names are different in the original. It wouldn't really make sense to insist on listing Window Rock as Tségháhoodzání... even though that's the real name. If English speakers want to call it Window Rock, let them. That's what I think. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 11:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Choyoołʼįįhí, my issue to to reach some concensus on how to add in albanian names as to the articles, when and where. Also the issue of the Parallel copies of the Districts of Kosovo needs to be looked into. They seem to me to be POV forks. We need to find a way to move forward. I would like to reach a agreement here. Please see all my issues. James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

About the names. I don't how the editing of these pages goes in practice, but I think it is neutral to use both names -both Albanian/Serbian are official languages of RoK and of APKiM - so using the two names will not be POV in either direction.

About the doubled articles. They clearly show historical situation (according to RoK POV) or current situation (according to Serbia POV), but there are not POVforks. Because they describe different things, not different POVs about the same thing. I mean - there is one set of RoK local administrative structures - it may be similar, but is not the same as the APKiM local administrative structures. Even if some region is exactly the same - the two articles would describe different things - one will describe RoK claimed structures (like mayor, etc.) - the other will describe APKiM/RoS claimed structures (if any are claimed for the "present" - or historical). The issue of whether RoK is legitimate and whether APKiM is de facto existing - IMHO this is irrelevant in this case and both articles should remain. Hopefully interested editors will improve their quality (for example these questions). Alinor (talk) 16:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Alinor, thanks for your response. I have started to implement some of these changes and have created a new template Template:POV:KS to mark all articles that are only showing the serbian POV. I hope this will help clean up the wikipedia and make it more reliable and useful. thanks mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I have found the time to write a few comments.

Regarding Albanian names in the bodies of the articles, I don't think that this is a good idea. This would add clutter and make articles difficult to read, and I don't see much point given that the names are in 99% of cases very similar anyway and it is easy to guess which is which (you are concerned about locals, but I guess locals especially will know what is their placename in Serbian like I know how is Belgrade called in multiple languages). Finally, I don't know that this is done for articles about places anywhere in the world.

Regarding districts and municipalities, these are not POV forks. The municipalities of Serbia on Kosovo (note that it is proper to call them municipalities of Serbia on Kosovo and not municipalities of Kosovo because they were/are regulated by laws of Serbia) are different, with different borders, than the ones introduced by UNMIK. Some of the municipalities continue to operate in Kosovo. Other have had their administrations relocated to other cities. They exist legally and their administration still works although they don't have physical access to their territorry (for example, if you were born in such a municipality and you need your birth certificate, you would have to go to the seat of the relocated municipality to get it). It is similar with districts.

While we are talking about this, I'd also like to add that to me, the current solution of mentioning Kosovo in articles' lede is not satisfactory, since I don't see that a footnote about disputed status is enough. Similarly, I often see Kosovo in lists of countries without any indication of the disputed status.

I absolutely agree that the districts and municipalities articles should be updated. I'll try to find the list of relocated municipalities for starters. The problem is, not many people are willing to work on the articles, even the articles outside of Kosovo are often out of date. Nikola (talk) 19:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Please don't cut and paste

I'm not particularly interested in the geopolitics of Kosovo/Serbia, but in the interests of Wikipedia please do not try to rename (or un-re-name) articles by cut and paste moves as you did here. That loses all the edit history of the page and is against Wikipedia policies. I've undone that edit and also the complementary one here where you pasted the work of other editors into the page without any attribution. Please don't do this: if you want to move a page and it can't be done using the "Move" tag, then use the WP:RM procedure. Thanks. PamD (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

C'mon, this has been explained to you ad nauseum now. Just don't. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 13:48, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I started this article, he cut and pasted it without any notification or discussion. I see, use the move command. Ok. James Michael DuPont (talk) 15:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I see the problem, dont use the copy and paste. I just find it strange that someone just renamed it without discussion. I dont really care at this point, it is questionable if this article deserves to be an article or if it should be just a stub on another page. thanks for your patience. James Michael DuPont (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, he moved it, not copy and pasted. Well I have to learn. James Michael DuPont (talk) 15:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:LAY

WP:LAY 

Read this, and understand it already, please! --WhiteWriter ^speaks 19:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC) {{examples}

Mdupont, you may want to slow down some and learn more about how things are done here before tackling naming worries in one of the most worry-fraught topic areas of the project. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

sure, I am willing to learn and help. Slow down, I dont want to rename anything anymore, was just trying to revert a change that I saw as out of line. The reason why I am working on kosovo geography is because our team there has repeatedly complained about being bullied and deleted. I am trying to lay down a foundation to work on. We are working with the Kosovars to promote wikipedia, do localizations, and I can tell you, they really feel alienated by the wikipedia. Thanks, Mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I would like to comment on this one more time. If you have a specific issue, please post it. The motto of wikipedia is be bold, there is no damage done here. So, lets have a productive discussion. So please be specific and not general. thanks. James Michael DuPont (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, you may not know that Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia, as you did in Volujak, makes it harder to read. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. WhiteWriter ^speaks 09:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok mister white, I will try harder to follow the style. thanks for your tips and be sure to let me know if you find anything that is no styled properly. I will try and copy from existing articles in the future. James Michael DuPont (talk) 13:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, one more time. If you need some other name, then create redirect, and someone who type that will find it.

http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Maja_e_Vjelakut&action=edit&redlink=1

And now create redirect. DO NOT ADD DOUBLE NAMES EVERYWHERE. All of us explained you that very well. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 22:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, one more thing. You apparently didn't understand it quite good. Primary sources are sources that are VERY CLOSE to the event or person in question. So, for example, diaries, historical document, and others created "at the time when things happened", or by the closest involved person. On the other side, Secondary source are a documents or anything simmilar that relates or discusses information originally presented else. Most of the things you tagged are written years after they happened, or they cite other references from that period, and those ARE NOT PRIMARY SOURCES! Please, if you are not quite familiar with those guidelines, dont edit it that way at all costs. You need to be very well informed about it, so you can edit in such manner. I already explained you that you misunderstood WP:RSUE. You can see that on page in question. Also, be aware that even Primary sources can be used. I sugest you to drop the subject that you dont know, as you may create far more damage, then help with this kind of editing. Create new articles, at first! That would be the greatest contribution you may give for now. And if i can help in that, please call me! I would gladly create new articles with you! --WhiteWriter ^speaks 11:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, it seems strange that we are citing a website that just contains random unattributed copies of other peoples pages. I don't think these citations going to the slobdan-milosovic dot org pages are very good. I will read your other comments. In any case, it is difficult for me to follow alot of the citations. It would be nice to have translations for them, and it would be good to have some third party. My issue with the "albanian terrorist" term was it would be obvious that serbian sources would be giving the viewpoint of terrorism. It would be nice to see that backed up with better citations from other sources that would be see as more neutral. It might be seen as upset people or ethnically motivated violence and not terrorism. The usage of the term terrorism is questionable. Please just provide better sources for that, because it seems to be a POV issue. That is why I questioned the primary nature, very close to the source. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. James Michael DuPont (talk) 14:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

No, your questions are ok, and that is other question. Per your post, i think that you need Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Here you may read most important things. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 14:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

My friend, you cannot create talk page without a main page. If you have some work to do, create user pages, and dont start anything until you finish it. All best! --WhiteWriter ^speaks 21:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Good work! :) Thanks. We must keep an eye on Article space. :) --WhiteWriter ^speaks 23:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Kosovo-mountain-stub

Template:Kosovo-mountain-stub has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Magioladitis (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

{{subst:db-policy-notice|Template:KosovoMountainInRangeStub|nowelcome=|{{{key1}}}={{{value1}}}}} WhiteWriter ^speaks 12:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, good idea, but this template and this one ({{KosovoMountainInRangeStub}}) cannot be used on wiki, as you templated almost entire article! don't use this kind of templates. It is wrong usage of Wikipedia:Template namespace--WhiteWriter ^speaks 12:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I am cleaning up right now. James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:27, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Done James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)