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About Arabic IPA

there is no long e /eː/ or long o /oː/ in Modern Standard Arabic! and if it's found it's only in foreign words, only the diphthongs /aj/ and /aw/ occur. but the long vowels do occur in most dialects, including mine. [[User:|عربي-٣١]] (talk) 04:25, 22 Septemberː 2016 (UTC)

@عربي-٣١: I am well aware that it is nominally pronounced /aj/ in Classical Arabic. However, /eː/ is the much more common pronunciation, even for speaking MSA, thus it is listed there instead. For example, most speakers pronounce غير and بيت as /ɣeːr/ and /beːt/ rather than /ɣajr/ and /bajt/. It is mentaioned in notes that some dialects still pronounce it as /aj/ and not /eː/ MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@MartinKassemJ120: No way!, pronouncing /aj/ as /eː/ is only considered correct in dialects and not considered correct at all when speaking educated Modern Standard Arabic at all and it's not common either, not for news anchors nor when reciting a religious script! what Arabic country did you study in? and why don't you apply the same rule to /aw/ that turns into /oː/? the notes are clearly wrong. in my dialect we say غير /ɣeːr/ and فوق /foːg/ but in Classical/Modern Standard Arabic فصحى it is /ɣajr/ and /fawq/. even in Arabic cartoons which are mostly in Modern Standard Arabic they pronounce it as an /aj/ and /aw/ you can check them out, and from my point of view old cartoons have a good pronunciation of Standard Arabic in general. عربي-٣١ (talk) 15:23, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@عربي-٣١: I've never heard /aj/ instead of /eː/ (except with the name Faysal) in MSA, not in the News or Qur'an recitations either. As far as /aw/ instead of /oː/, I was always taught it was to be pronounced that way and only Saudi and Gulf Arabs pronounce it as /oː/ and heard it pronounced as /aw/ in all other context. As for where I studied, I live in the US and was taught Lebanese Arabic mostly by my father and learned Modern Standard in Arabic School, but I don't see that as very relevant. MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@MartinKassemJ120: well i don't know how well the Arabic teachers at your school were if they can't pronounce the diphthongs correctly haha, you should hear the News better and in Qur'an recitation no one ever says /eː/ it's incorrect especially in Qur'an. and for dialects /oː/; is used by Sudanese, Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Saudis, other gulf Arabs except for Lebanese who use /aw/ and sometimes /oː/, and North Africans who use only /uː/. Even the Lebanese use /aj/ they say هيك /hajk/ instead of /heːk/ (which the Syrians use) but pronounce كيف /kajf/ as /kiːf/ for some reason while we pronounce it as /keːf/ in Saudia. where in Lebanon is your family originally from? and now that i saw from your profile that you're religious and shi't, i'm wondering if the Shi'ts read the Qur'an with a slight different pronunciation? and hope i'm not offending you in anyway and if so, i'm sorry :)عربي-٣١ (talk) 23:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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@عربي-٣١: Well, you've proven yourself to know far more about Arabic than me, so it will be listed as /aj/. But I must ask, why aren't السلام عليكم, Beyrout and Hussein, just to name a few, pronounce with /aj/? (As for your question about Shia, no, same Quran, same pronuncciation. I've also prayed with Sunnis at parties/dinners who seem to pronounce /aj/ as /eː/, particularly in السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ

at the end MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 10:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@MartinKassemJ120: in Modern Standard and Classical Arabic السلام عليكم is "only" pronounced as /assalaːmu ʕalajkum/ and a lot of the times even in dialects, most Saudis would say /assalaːmu ʕalajkum/ or /assalaːmu ʕaleːkum/ when speaking their dialect but "only" the first one when reciting qur'an or speaking Standard/Classical/Formal Arabic, and for بيروت it is only pronounced it as /bajruːt/ in both Standard and even for most Arabic dialects (and i believe for most Arabic-speakers /beːruːt/ sounds so weird in my opinion) and حُسَيْن is the same only /ħusajn/ in Standard/literally Arabic, but i noticed that Shi'it religious people pronounce it as /ħuseːn/ for some reason. see even in the way you wrote "السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ" there is a Fatħa on the Lām and a sukūn on the Yā' which means it's "alaykum" not "alēkum" in Standard/Classical Arabic. the switch from /aj/ > /eː/ and /aw/ > /oː/ should be and is only acceptable in Dialects. عربي-٣١ (talk) 03:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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Please read the cited source entitled (»Generalplan Ost« zur Versklavung osteuropäischer Völker.] "Generalplan Ost for the enslavement of East European peoples") it supports the text "Er stellte einen sorgfältig geplanten Rassen- und Völkermord dar) plan for the genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale," [1] There should be no dispute now, the source supports the edit, period.-Case closed.--Woogie10w (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

@Woogie10w: I was referring to this source: [2] While it does mention "forced labor of Foreign Nationals", it states the overall focus was deportation and colonization and no mention of "genocide on a mass scale". I am aware of the source you listed, but I don't consider it reliable as it was written by a Marxist historian ([3]) and published on a website dedicated to Rosa Luxemburg. While I do not consider it outright false, I do consider it extraordinarily biased and might violate Wikipedia's rules on identifying reliable sources Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 20:49, 3 February 2018 (UTC) MartinKassemJ120

I guess that you can't read German, say is that so?--Woogie10w (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

@Woogie10w: I am currently learning German and I have a mediocre understanding, but I do regularly check various dictionaries to verify meaning of certain words. German, like Arabic, is a complex language MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 20:49, 3 February 2018 (UTC) MartinKassemJ120

I grew up in Manhattan and in university I was sent to speech therapy because I spoke like the characters in Mean Streets, I spent four summers in Germany learning German. Anyway check out on You Tube Mean Streets - $10 on a $2,000 debt. Regards --Woogie10w (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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