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editHello, JurassicClassic 767. I noticed you've been making a lot of edits to pterosaur pages recently. These edits are by and large useful, but you should know that making hundreds of little edits in a row can be considered suspicious behavior. Vandals often use this technique to overwhelm reliable editors or make it more difficult to track their work. I'm not accusing you of anything, but just letting you know that it's better to make your edits in large chunks rather than numerous tiny increments. If you're unsure about editing in large sections, you can work in the sandbox to prepare text for articles. Good luck! Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I actually knew that someone would realize about those edits, but the reason why I've done so many minor edits is that I often make mistakes like you said, specially in when putting references. If you visit my user page, you'll see that I put a userbox about fighting vandalism, and I'm not a vandal in any case. Anyway, I just wanted to contribute to pterosaurs, since there are mostly outdated or stubs, and I'm also part of the Pterosaurs task force, but yeah, I understand if someone would suspect about my little edits, and next time, I'll try to make larger edits with the mistakes corrected. JurassicClassic767 (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- That's no problem, I appreciate your efforts. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! JurassicClassic767 (talk) 17:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- That's no problem, I appreciate your efforts. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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Ornithocheiromorpha cladogram
editAverianov (2020) does not actually contain a phylogenetic analysis. It's not only misleading to create a composite of two very different phylogenetic analyses (with portions of each arbitrarily chosen), add a couple other taxa without basis in analysis, and then attribute it to a third paper entirely, it is a violation of WP:SYNTH, as the resulting topology can't be found in any actual study. I've replaced those with the cladogram of Pêgas et al. (2019), with a couple additions after Kellner et al. (2019) (these studies both use the same base dataset and differ in only minor respects). Please keep this in mind for the future. Shuvuuia (talk) 01:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- On an unrelated note, please avoid writing out entire references twice. You can define a reference once with
<ref name="example"> [insert reference here] </ref>
- and then call it elsewhere in the article with
<ref name="example"/>
- and it won't be listed multiple times in the reference section. Shuvuuia (talk) 06:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Shuvuuia: Honestly, with the cladogram, I was getting a bit confused, there were mentions within other references, but I guess those were just cross-refs and unrelated? I know the original research, but what happened really was that I just got confused with the cross-refs thinking their related or something. Also, thanks for replacing the cladogram and not just delete it directly. As for the repeated refs, I do sometimes miss several, but that article has like 90 refs? Anyway, I didn't do original research, I just got confused with the cross-refs thinking their all related. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 07:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- As a side note, Averianov 2020 may not have done a phylogenetic analysis of Ornithocheiromorpha, but he has done an analysis for Lonchodectidae, clearly stating that Serradraco, Unwindia and Prejanopterus don't belong to that family. Check it if you don't believe me, it's mentioned at the end of the paragraph. Also, when putting refs, it's better if you put them after any punctuation. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 13:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion of the taxonomic placement of Serradraco, Unwindia, and Prejanopterus is not the same as a phylogenetic analysis. The exclusion of these genera is not based on a computational analysis in the same vein as e.g. Pêgas et al. (2019), and it has yet to be seen whether this assessment will be followed up with by other researchers. For now it's fair to keep them out of the taxobox (I marked them as possible members in an attempt at neutrality), but I've added a section mentioning that they'd previously been considered possible lonchodectids. Shuvuuia (talk) 23:43, 30 May (UTC)
- OK, so we're clear with Averianov 2020 not being a phylogenetic analysis, but what I've been wondering was that cladogram you made as a replacement. I know part of the sources do coincide with the cladogram, but stating that it's a "composite" just leads to the thought that it's some kind of OR, and none of the refs say that it was a composite. So what I've done is exclude the analysis by Pegas et al and keep the one by Kellner et al, that's because Kellner makes a deeper classification of the group, while Pegas just focuses on Targaryendraconia. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 00:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- By "composite" I meant "identical to Pêgas et al. 2019, with Mimodactylus added after Kellner et al. 2019". I should have been more clear with that. That said, it bears repeating that the two papers share the same base dataset, so their topologies are largely identical. Kellner et al. 2019 did not "make a deeper classification of the group" - both analyses sample virtually the same breadth of non-lanceodont pterosaurs, Kellner et al. simply shows more in the cladogram in the paper (the full analyses can be found in the supplementary material of each, and they both go back further than what the papers show). If we had to choose one, I'd argue the Pêgas cladogram would be better for at least the Ornithocheiromorpha page due to it having a greater taxon sampling of that clade (the Kellner analysis lacks Boreopteridae entirely and only contains one member of Targaryendraconia, and the only lanceodont it has that the Pêgas analysis doesn't is Mimodactylus). Shuvuuia (talk) 02:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- I don't want confusion with both cladograms, and there is a section of the analysis of Pêgas that I've missed because it's within the "supplemental area". If you're a new reader for example, and go to the reference, you may not directly find the cladogram. Now that I've seem the "Pêgas cladogram", I'd actually prefer that Targaryendraconia and Boreopteridae are included, even if we have to exclude Mimodactylus, so I should start putting it back? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 05:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Shuvuuia: OK, I've made a cladogram based on Pêgas et al 2019, I've excluded Mimodactylidae, but included Targaryendraconia, Lonchodectidae and Boreopteridae. I've just placed the cladogram on Ornithocheiromorpha (the second cladogram), and practically every other subgroup except Mimodactylidae. Oh, and I apologize for my first reaction on this, though the cladogram I made based on Averianov 2020 was no original research, the refs that come below confused me thinking their linked or connected to Averianov 2020, so I've made a larger cladogram with those classifications included. I know I've mentioned this before, but I just wanted you to be clear. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 06:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- By "composite" I meant "identical to Pêgas et al. 2019, with Mimodactylus added after Kellner et al. 2019". I should have been more clear with that. That said, it bears repeating that the two papers share the same base dataset, so their topologies are largely identical. Kellner et al. 2019 did not "make a deeper classification of the group" - both analyses sample virtually the same breadth of non-lanceodont pterosaurs, Kellner et al. simply shows more in the cladogram in the paper (the full analyses can be found in the supplementary material of each, and they both go back further than what the papers show). If we had to choose one, I'd argue the Pêgas cladogram would be better for at least the Ornithocheiromorpha page due to it having a greater taxon sampling of that clade (the Kellner analysis lacks Boreopteridae entirely and only contains one member of Targaryendraconia, and the only lanceodont it has that the Pêgas analysis doesn't is Mimodactylus). Shuvuuia (talk) 02:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- OK, so we're clear with Averianov 2020 not being a phylogenetic analysis, but what I've been wondering was that cladogram you made as a replacement. I know part of the sources do coincide with the cladogram, but stating that it's a "composite" just leads to the thought that it's some kind of OR, and none of the refs say that it was a composite. So what I've done is exclude the analysis by Pegas et al and keep the one by Kellner et al, that's because Kellner makes a deeper classification of the group, while Pegas just focuses on Targaryendraconia. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 00:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion of the taxonomic placement of Serradraco, Unwindia, and Prejanopterus is not the same as a phylogenetic analysis. The exclusion of these genera is not based on a computational analysis in the same vein as e.g. Pêgas et al. (2019), and it has yet to be seen whether this assessment will be followed up with by other researchers. For now it's fair to keep them out of the taxobox (I marked them as possible members in an attempt at neutrality), but I've added a section mentioning that they'd previously been considered possible lonchodectids. Shuvuuia (talk) 23:43, 30 May (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
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Thanks for your contributions (especially on the Pterodactylus)! Afernand74 (talk) 16:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
A big Thank You! I really appreciate it! Keep up the good work as well! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 16:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
RE: moving sections
edithi there! apologies about the structural problems i've caused. i haven't quite figured out how to move images yet, so i was afraid to try moving them anywhere else in case i made the issue worse. if there's something wrong with the structure next time i attempt to fix the sections, i'll leave it alone and post something on the talk page instead. thank you :) --Vaporwaveboyfriend (talk) 19:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Vaporwaveboyfriend: No need to apologize, just remember that when source editing (the one with wikitext), if you just put "thumb" to the image, it is placed on the right side of the article by default, and to put the image on the left side, just add a parameter that includes "left". Bear in mind that in articles about living things, there's a taxobox that occupies space, so that also might affect the image placing. Anyway, just keep up the good work, and feel free to ask any questions. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 21:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- @JurassicClassic767: Thank you! That's actually super helpful! I'll do my best! --Vaporwaveboyfriend (talk) 00:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Species names
editCould you please revert your changes in several articles where you replaced the valid species name by an old combination, this is incorrect. Thanks! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jens Lallensack: By species, I meant the original combination of the type species, and the valid species (or new combination) is placed below. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 16:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Type species and valid species are the same. Please revert this! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jens Lallensack: I'm doing it now, though is it necessary to put "originally (the previous genus it was assigned to; e.g. Megalosaurus)"? This is stated in several articles such as in Majungasaurus. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 16:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- I was a bit too quick, and now see what you mean, my apologies. Maybe we need to change that indeed, but we would first seek consensus at the WikiProject in any case since this affects a larger number of articles. Maybe the variant with the "originally" will be less confusing. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jens Lallensack: So, for now we should just put "originally" to the ones that were previously assigned to other genera then? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 17:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, thinking about it, we are not citing the original type species in the taxonbox in the first place, but the current binominal name (you changed it to type species though). In the case of Dilophosaurus, it says Dilophosaurus wetherilli (Welles, 1954). The brackets around Welles, 1954 indicate that he is not the author of the species group name. This is the correct citation I think. I would suggest to just leave everything as is, with changing things in multiple articles that are not obvious errors you almost always step on the toes of people. You can ask of course (as this affects all life taxon articles, the WikiProject:Tree of Life might be the correct place). --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for future changes! And yeah, if it's in parentheses, it means that he/she isn't the author of the current combination, but the author of the first combination for that specific name. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 17:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, thinking about it, we are not citing the original type species in the taxonbox in the first place, but the current binominal name (you changed it to type species though). In the case of Dilophosaurus, it says Dilophosaurus wetherilli (Welles, 1954). The brackets around Welles, 1954 indicate that he is not the author of the species group name. This is the correct citation I think. I would suggest to just leave everything as is, with changing things in multiple articles that are not obvious errors you almost always step on the toes of people. You can ask of course (as this affects all life taxon articles, the WikiProject:Tree of Life might be the correct place). --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jens Lallensack: So, for now we should just put "originally" to the ones that were previously assigned to other genera then? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 17:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- I was a bit too quick, and now see what you mean, my apologies. Maybe we need to change that indeed, but we would first seek consensus at the WikiProject in any case since this affects a larger number of articles. Maybe the variant with the "originally" will be less confusing. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jens Lallensack: I'm doing it now, though is it necessary to put "originally (the previous genus it was assigned to; e.g. Megalosaurus)"? This is stated in several articles such as in Majungasaurus. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 16:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Type species and valid species are the same. Please revert this! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Koskinonodon and Anaschisma
editHello, JurassicClassic 767;
Since you've done the recent work on Koskinonodon and Anaschisma, I thought I ought to mention that the Gee et al. article is available for download at [1]. While the abstract is not entirely clear about the synonymy, the text of the article establishes that the synonymy goes the *other* way, e.g., that K. is sunk into A., and not the other way around. J. Spencer (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @J. Spencer: I have understood it wrong then? So, we would want to resurrect the Anaschisma article, and make the Koskinonodon article a redirect. Actually, when I redirected Anaschisma to Koskinonodon, I've noticed that most (if not all) the article text is text copied from Koskinonodon (or maybe the other way around), so if we want to redirect (or perhaps merge) K. to A., there isn't really much to sort out since practically the whole article info is the same or similar, i.e. it would be an easy merge/redirect. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 08:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that re-instituting the Anaschisma article and redirecting Koskinonodon to it sounds like the best solution. J. Spencer (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- @J. Spencer: I've done it finally. Let me know if I have to change something. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 16:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that re-instituting the Anaschisma article and redirecting Koskinonodon to it sounds like the best solution. J. Spencer (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Looks good to me! J. Spencer (talk) 22:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Pterodactylus
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- @Mandarax: Thanks, I didn't know there was another way of putting
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DYK for Pterodactylus
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Cimoliopterus for FAC collaboration?
editHi, I noticed you've had an interest in editing articles about old obscure pterosaurs, and for some time I've thought of expanding Cimoliopterus for GAN and FAC, and thought you might be interested in a collaboration? Could be a good practice for those processes if you want to nominate more articles yourself later. I have also talked to MWAK about this one, and though I know he might not have much time anymore, he's of course welcome to join in any capacity. FunkMonk (talk) 12:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I indeed will not be able to make an important contribution.--MWAK (talk) 06:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FunkMonk: I sure would like to join a collaboration for a neglected pterosaur article to be leveled up to FA status, or at least GA. I didn't really expect Cimoliopterus for the collaboration, but whatever pterosaur article works for me. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 19:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I thought this one would be cool because though it has a long history, it only received its own genus recently, and is only represented by limited fossils, making it less complicated than many other old pterosaurs. And it has a lot of images too, which is always nice! FunkMonk (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- That makes sense. So, when should we start the collaboration then? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 19:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- If there are any sections you'd like to work on, you can begin whenever you want, and there's no rush really, usually we just chip away at articles over some time until it has all the info it needs. And we should be able to gather sources needed even if you don't have immediate access. FunkMonk (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I think the best way would be to just begin from top to bottom (i.e. starting from the history section, and then continuing with the other sections), but of course, we could always try another way. Oh, I've also noticed that Cimoliopterus doesn't have Paleobiology or Paleoecology sections, I think mentioning how the animal fed or behaved, or what animals it coexisted with would be something worth saying? But again, sources may be limited for this. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 20:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- There might be something about behaviour in Witton's 2012 book. As for how to proceed, what usually works for collaborations, since it is hard for more than one person to work on a single section, is to divide sections between them. The order it is done has little consequence, so you can just start with whatever you find most interesting. I'd think the best place to start would probably be to add info from the 2013 article that named the genus:[2] The history section will no doubt be the most complex. FunkMonk (talk) 20:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah I agree. I was also thinking about the Rodrigues & Kellner, 2013 paper being one of the most useful sources, as you said above. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 20:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- There might be something about behaviour in Witton's 2012 book. As for how to proceed, what usually works for collaborations, since it is hard for more than one person to work on a single section, is to divide sections between them. The order it is done has little consequence, so you can just start with whatever you find most interesting. I'd think the best place to start would probably be to add info from the 2013 article that named the genus:[2] The history section will no doubt be the most complex. FunkMonk (talk) 20:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I think the best way would be to just begin from top to bottom (i.e. starting from the history section, and then continuing with the other sections), but of course, we could always try another way. Oh, I've also noticed that Cimoliopterus doesn't have Paleobiology or Paleoecology sections, I think mentioning how the animal fed or behaved, or what animals it coexisted with would be something worth saying? But again, sources may be limited for this. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 20:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- If there are any sections you'd like to work on, you can begin whenever you want, and there's no rush really, usually we just chip away at articles over some time until it has all the info it needs. And we should be able to gather sources needed even if you don't have immediate access. FunkMonk (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- That makes sense. So, when should we start the collaboration then? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 19:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- I thought this one would be cool because though it has a long history, it only received its own genus recently, and is only represented by limited fossils, making it less complicated than many other old pterosaurs. And it has a lot of images too, which is always nice! FunkMonk (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
editYou are welcome.
Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Heh! Looks funnier than cute. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 15:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah . I just select the one that comes in the middle of the three. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
August 2020 Tree of Life Newsletter
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Hoax taxon sniffed out after nearly fifteen years |
Cross posted from the Signpost On August 7, WikiProject Palaeontology member Rextron discovered a suspicious taxon article, Mustelodon, which was created in November 2005. The article lacked references and the subsequent discussion on WikiProject Palaeontology found that the alleged type locality (where the fossil was first discovered) of Lago Nandarajo "near the northern border of Panama" was nonexistent. In fact, Panama does not even really have a northern border, as it is bounded along the north by the Caribbean Sea. No other publications or databases mentioned Mustelodon, save a fleeting mention in a 2019 book that presumably followed Wikipedia, Felines of the World. The article also appeared in four other languages, Catalan, Spanish, Dutch, and Serbian. In Serbian Wikipedia, a note at the bottom of the page warned: "It is important to note here that there is no data on this genus in the official scientific literature, and all attached data on the genus Mustelodon on this page are taken from the English Wikipedia and are the only known data on this genus of mammals, so the validity of this genus is questionable." Editors took action to alert our counterparts on other projects, and these versions were removed also. As the editor who reached out to Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia, it was somewhat challenging to navigate these mostly foreign languages (I have a limited grasp of Spanish). I doubted that the article had very many watchers, so I knew I had to find some WikiProjects where I could post a machine translation advising of the hoax, and asking that users follow local protocols to remove the article. I was surprised to find, however, that Catalan Wikipedia does not tag articles for WikiProjects on talk pages, meaning I had to fumble around to find what I needed (turns out that WikiProjects are Viquiprojectes in Catalan!) Mustelodon remains on Wikidata, where its "instance of" property was swapped from "taxon" to "fictional taxon". How did this article have such a long lifespan? Early intervention is critical for removing hoaxes. A 2016 report found that a hoax article that survives its first day has an 18% chance of lasting a year.[1] Additionally, hoax articles tend to have longer lifespans if they are in inconspicuous parts of Wikipedia, where they do not receive many views. Mustelodon was only viewed a couple times a day, on average. Mustelodon survived a brush with death three years into its lifespan. The article was proposed for deletion in September 2008, with a deletion rationale of "No references given; cannot find any evidence in peer-reviewed journals that this alleged genus actually exists". Unfortunately, the proposed deletion was contested and the template removed, though the declining editor did not give a rationale. Upon its rediscovery in August 2020, Mustelodon was tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G3 as a "blatant hoax". This was challenged, and an Articles for Deletion discussion followed. On 12 August, the AfD was closed as a SNOW delete. WikiProject Palaeontology members ensured that any trace of it was scrubbed from legitimate articles. The fictional mammal was finally, truly extinct. At the ripe old age of 14 years, 9 months, this is the longest-lived documented hoax on Wikipedia, topping the previous documented record of 14 years, 5 months, set by The Gates of Saturn, a fictitious television show, which was incidentally also discovered in August 2020. How do we discover other hoax taxa? Could we use Wikidata to discover taxa are not linked to databases like ITIS, Fossilworks, and others?
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I think I have a compulsion to make lists, it doesn't show up in my real life, but online I secretly get a lot of satisfaction making orderly lists and tables. It's a bit of a secret of mine, because it doesn't manifest in any other part of my life. My background is in biology, so this was a natural (haha) fit.
This experiment was just to see if I could get any random article to FA status, so I picked the very first alphabetical animal species according to the taxonomy and made that attempt. Technically, there isn't enough information for a species page so I just merged the species into a genus and went from there. It was a fun exercise, but doing it alone is not the most fun so it's probably on pause for the foreseeable future. Note: Aporhynchus is the first alphabetical taxon as follows: Animalia, Acanthocephala, Archiacanthocephala, Apororhynchida, Apororhynchidae, Apororhynchus
I would recommend getting a good article nominated, then a featured list up before tackling the FA. Lists are a bit more forgiving but give you a taste of what standards to expect from FA. The most time consuming thing is proper citations so make sure that is in order before starting either.
My personality in real life does not match my wikipedia persona. I'm not a very organized, or orderly in real life, but the wikipedia pages I brought to FL or FA are all very organized. Maybe it's my outlet for a more free-flowing life as a scientist/teacher.
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Your GA nomination of Ornithocheiridae
editThe article Ornithocheiridae you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Ornithocheiridae for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 14:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Brontosaurus vs. elephant
editHi, just responding to your undo of my edit on the Brontosaurus page re: comparison to elephants. You are correct that I didn't cite a source for the weight of an elephant in tons; I simply converted the article's given (also without citation) weight in kilograms to tons. While I'm an experienced editor, I'm not an experienced Wikipedia editor, and it is clear you are. So I'll definitely concede the point in regard to the deficiency of my edit. All I'd say is the current version also does not cite a source for the height or weight of an elephant, while giving the weight in different units than are given for the Brontosaurus (making comparison difficult when the whole point is easy comparison to an animal people are familiar with). Further, it unhelpfully gives the height at the shoulder of an elephant as something to compare to the total length (head to tip of tail) of a Brontosaurus. (I didn't get around to fixing that one because I couldn't easily find either the shoulder height of a Brontosaurus or the length of an elephant, to bring the measurements into line.) I suggest this needs improvement. Can't help editing (talk) 14:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Can't help editing: Oh, I didn't notice that there wasn't a source for a 6 ton weight, maybe 'cause I just edit quite fast at times. The latter things that you said (the unhelpful comparisons and all), yeah, I totally agree, that should definitely need improvement or something. Another thing that we could do is just remove that unreferenced part, that way, we don't have to find sources or anything, whaddaya think? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 18:29, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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- @Fylindfotberserk: Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you too! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 11:25, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks man . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Santa Claws
edit- Hahaha! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Happy New Year, JurassicClassic767!
editJurassicClassic767,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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- I forgot to wish you in time. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: Thanks! And in your "merry Christmas" message above you already wished me a happy new year, so that kinda works too, right? But yeah, happy new year to you too! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 09:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- No man, I had to wish . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hahaha! :) JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 09:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- No man, I had to wish . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: Thanks! And in your "merry Christmas" message above you already wished me a happy new year, so that kinda works too, right? But yeah, happy new year to you too! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 09:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
False allegations
editDear friend, How can someone be protected by others posting false allegations for him? Please advise. There must be a way. Otherwise anyone who has a reason to undermine an individual will be free to do so, unchecked.Thank you Alstamatis (talk) Alstamatis (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- I was just patrolling for any vandalism, and saw your edit (where you removed text and a bunch of references, and you just said "deleted false accusations", without providing proof). I don't really know much about that article, but you can discuss it on the talk page. Anyways, do you have any proof that the allegations are false? I mean, it is cited, unless those references don't back up the info. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 23:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @JurassicClassic767: That man's username is very similar to the subject of the article he edited, so he may have did it based on personal, but unverifiable information - a violation of Wikipedia rules. I'd say you report it at WP:COIN. Atlantis536 (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Atlantis536: Thanks! I've reported it, so now we just have to wait until someone responds I guess. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 10:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- @JurassicClassic767: That man's username is very similar to the subject of the article he edited, so he may have did it based on personal, but unverifiable information - a violation of Wikipedia rules. I'd say you report it at WP:COIN. Atlantis536 (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Copying licensed material requires attribution
editHi. I see in a recent addition to Cimoliopterus you included material from a webpage that is available under a compatible Creative Commons Licence. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this licensing requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Diannaa: I didn't copy the exact same text as the one in reference, I reworded several of the sentences, as well as changed the order of some other ones. If you want though, I can reword more of the info. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's not necessary to re-word compatibly licensed text as long as you provide the required attribution. Here is an example of how to do it. Alternatively you can use the template
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— Diannaa (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)- Hm, yeah, but I think I'll still stick to rewording it a bit, just to make it more original, and it also kind of seems more appropriate to me, even though it's not necessary. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 23:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's not necessary to re-word compatibly licensed text as long as you provide the required attribution. Here is an example of how to do it. Alternatively you can use the template
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Revue de Paleobiologie
editHey there, just making sure you saw this. Some of my pings haven't been going through lately for whatever reason, so you may not have seen my message. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:54, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Usernameunique: Oh, I haven't received any pings from you, but I'll check what you sent right now. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 21:43, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
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Can you rerate the article about Torre-Pacheco?
editGood evening JurassicClassic767,
the article about a Spanish municipality named Torre-Pacheco is assessed as start-class, but I think that it deserves a higher class.
The first link shows the site where assessing an article and the second one the criteria for choosing attributing a class.
https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Torre-Pacheco https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spain/Assessment#Quality_scale
Regards,
--Yolanda95 (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)Yolanda95
- Since you're a member of the WikiProject, you're free to reassess articles within the scope, just remember, rate the article the rating that fits the best for it, in this case I think Torre-Pacheco should be a C-class. Additionally, you can use a script to make rating articles easier. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 22:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- @JurassicClassic767:I expanded quite the article and I am Spaniard, and that difficults objectivity. Owing to these reasons, especially the first one I prefer other person, not from the country of the article, if possible, to reassess the article. Anyways, I can reassess the article. --Yolanda95 (talk) 07:17, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Yolanda95
- Oh, yeah, I get what you mean, but apparently, I'm someone who also lives in Spain, so I'm technically from the country of the article as well. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 07:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- @JurassicClassic767:I expanded quite the article and I am Spaniard, and that difficults objectivity. Owing to these reasons, especially the first one I prefer other person, not from the country of the article, if possible, to reassess the article. Anyways, I can reassess the article. --Yolanda95 (talk) 07:17, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Yolanda95
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Weird mammalian pterodactyls for you!
editThe weirdest pterosaurs ever drawn? FunkMonk (talk) 22:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Haha, thanks! Imagine if pterosaurs turned out to actually be like this, it'll be oddly impressive I gotta say... JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 22:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Need help
editHi, would you kindly verify these unexplained changes? Looks POV to me. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: Sorry for responding so late! Yeah, apart from being unexplained, 7 to 7 tons doesn't really make sense, I'll revert the edit now. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 14:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- No probs. Thanks!. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:36, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Activity at WikiProject My Little Pony
editHello, JurassicClassic767. At WikiProject My Little Pony, I'm trying to compile a list of active participants. Your name is currently listed on the active members list and you are active on Wikipedia. Would you consider yourself active on WikiProject My Little Pony? Please {{ping}} me in your reply and see our project talk page for the latest updates. Thanks! Pamzeis (talk) 05:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis:, yeah, I haven't edited articles about MLP that much recently, mostly just about maintenance (e.g. fixing dashes, etc.) or reverting vandalism. Does this still count as "active" in the WikiProject, though? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 18:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I guess I can leave that decision to you but if you feel you no longer would like to actively contribute to MLP articles, I think you would not be "active". Pamzeis (talk) 00:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
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DYK for Cimoliopterus
editOn 29 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cimoliopterus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cimoliopterus was among the first pterosaurs to be depicted as models (pictured) in Crystal Palace Park in the 1850s? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cimoliopterus. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cimoliopterus), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Javelinadactylus
editHi. I've noticed you've added quite some stuff from the Javelinadactylus paper, including some phylogenetic results. Where did you access the full paper? I have only seen the abstract. Atlantis536 (talk) 04:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Atlantis536: I think you may have confused my edits with MWAK's? He has been adding lots of info to the article, while I've only done some cleanup. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 05:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- You did write that Argentinadraco was a thalassodromine sourced to that paper. Atlantis536 (talk) 05:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Atlantis536: I've begun doubting my conclusion about that since my edit at Template:Pterosauria was only based on the edits of 85.246.244.63 at Argentinadraco and Thalassodrominae, to which the IP referenced that study. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 05:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- I see. Atlantis536 (talk) 07:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Atlantis536: I've begun doubting my conclusion about that since my edit at Template:Pterosauria was only based on the edits of 85.246.244.63 at Argentinadraco and Thalassodrominae, to which the IP referenced that study. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 05:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- You did write that Argentinadraco was a thalassodromine sourced to that paper. Atlantis536 (talk) 05:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Congratulations
editThe Featured Article Medal | ||
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this special, very exclusive award created just for we few, we happy few, this band of brothers, who have shed sweat, tears and probably blood, in order to be able to proudly claim "I too have taken an article to Featured status". Gog the Mild (talk) 10:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
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For your first FA and for being a great collaborator on expanding Cimoliopterus, a rather difficult topic. I hope it will make it easier for you to eventually do a solo nomination one day! FunkMonk (talk) 10:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
- @FunkMonk: Thanks! There goes my first FA, I don't really know what to say apart from "wow", I guess? Haha... Hopefully someday I get to do a solo nomination if I can! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 10:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Promotion of Cimoliopterus
editPlease do not remove my edit again
editThe raptor family is used to describe birds of prey, dromaeosaurs', and a few other avian dinosaurs. No it is not just an "informal" way of saying dromaeosaur. Drawkingg (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Drawkingg: But there's also no scientific group name to designate that exact definition of "raptor family". The "raptor family" basically doesn't exist since "raptor" is just a common name that either means bird of prey or dromaeosaur and related avian dinosaurs. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
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A kitten for you!
editHi, there!
Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: Hey man, nice to see you back, we've missed you! Hopefully everything is alright! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 20:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks man. I was.. well..busy . Everything was alright. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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Happy Third First Edit Day!
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- Thanks! JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 11:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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