JCockrum

August 2012

Hello, I'm Cst17. This might not have been intentional, but I noticed that you recently removed some content from Tiwest Joint Venture without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Cst17 (talk) 14:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

changes to Tiwest_Joint_Venture finally started

Hello JCockrum, you can call me 74. Noticed you talking with Cst17 about the TIWEST article. On wikipedia, we try to retain historical information about notable corporations, not just current info. Therefore, instead of deleting the TIWEST data, I cleaned it up a bit, and converted from present-tense to the past-tense.

1. User_talk:Cst17#Tiwest_Joint_Venture , your request back in 2012 (with the press-release link)
2. Tiwest_Joint_Venture , the revised article (you can click 'edit history' to see who changed what and when)
3. Talk:Tiwest_Joint_Venture , my suggestions for what to do next (either merge with the parent-corporation or leave this a standalone historical article)

If you see any other changes that could make it a better article, or know of any bibliographic citations that would be great (best are news reports or scientific analysis of the TiO2 ... but materials published by the companies is also sometimes acceptable as long as the way the sentences are phrases in wikipedia are not too promotional/pufferish). You can make the changes yourself, of course, if you take care to stay neutral and reliably sourced, or you can message me on my talkpage by clicking the little blue 'talk' link by my user-link. Thanks for improving wikipedia.

p.s. You can always contact me directly, or any other editor, but for quick questions the best bet is to click WP:TEAHOUSE. They can either answer your question immediately, or send you to the correct place to ask it, otherwise. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 16:32, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

survival manual, corporate subsection

Here is my getting-started-survival-manual for folks that edit the articles related to their work. It's a work in progress, but I think it's useful, let me know if anything is unclear.

As you may have gathered by now, many wikipedians are *very* prickly about Spam! That does not mean, however, that all is lost. But there are some specific rules you should be strongly aware of.

1. First, although you cannot edit under a corporate-name per WP:CORPNAME, it might help you if you disclose your paid relationship right on your userpage, or here at the top of your user-talkpage. You don't have to, of course, but honesty is the best policy.
2. Second, there is a thing called the Bright Line Rule, which says that you, as a paid professional, are *inherently* not able to *directly* edit the article of your employer, and thus should only *suggest* edits and changes on the talkpage of the article. (If you wait a week and nobody responds, then go ahead and edit the article yourself, leaving a note that you took matters into your own hands on the article-talkpage, under your earlier edit-request-section.)
3. Third, even when just suggesting something on the talkpage, and especially when editing directly (which you should avoid if possible), you should be careful to specifically use verifiable reliable sources. There are some (rare) cases where you can use the corporations's homepage/pressReleases/etc for info, per WP:ABOUTSELF, but any kind of awards, deals, product info, et cetera simply Does Not Belong in wikipedia unless independent reliable third party sources have covered the award/deal/product/etc. That is how we WP:PROVEIT is in fact a Notable award/deal/product/etc.

Anyhoo, welcome to wikipedia, sorry about all the rules, but they really are for a good reason: if the company and products you are affiliated with *are* Notable enough to deserve their own wikipedia article, or WP:NOTEWORTHY enough to deserve mentioning (without violating WP:UNDUE) in some non-dedicated wikipedia articles, that's a gold star in their cap.

Hope this helps. See also, WP:Five pillars, for the basic rules that apply whether or *not* you are editing corporation-related articles. Message me on my talkpage if you have questions or concerns. Thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)