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November 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, you may be blocked from editing. BilletsMauves^€500 08:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean disruptive editing? If you mean Sichuan Tengden, please provide evidence or reference that it is a state-own company or a branch of Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute.

While according to my research, it is a private company [1]. There is a picture of Ownership Structure in it.

Can you stop your threatening and smearing? Infinty 0 (talk) 09:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I mean much more than the Sichuan Tengden article; the problem with your edits has turned out to be bigger than that. I'm talking about poorly explained removal of sourced content on Shenyang J-11 (most of the articles on Soviet/Russian/Chinese aircraft have NATO codes, so no reason to remove it on one specific article), addition of unsourced content on CASC Rainbow and CAIG Wing Loong II, and changes to sourced content on Sichuan Tengden. If you want to change content in an article, then change the sources too. By the way, none of this is intended to be "threatening" or "smearing". Please assume good faith in your exchanges with other editors. Thanks in advance. BilletsMauves^€500 09:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for your kindly instruction.

Maybe I will re-edit them with sources added and I'm looking forward your instruction with assumed good faith.

Plus I have a question, if you think Soviet/Russian/Chinese aircraft have NATO codes is a tradition or convention and no reason to remove it on one specific article, then why the article about Chinese aircraft like Wing Loong series use manufacturer name instead of the military designation as title particularly? Isn't it a convention too? Or you think it is better to make Wing Loong an exceptional case in the category of Chinese military aircraft? We have to settle this out or it will become a very bad and confusing precedent in the future when new Chinese drone articles added. Infinty 0 (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

The thing is that we have to use or at least mention the commonly used names for the aircraft we are talking about in the articles. Western sources often use NATO codes to name Soviet/Russian/Chinese military equipment, sometimes without giving the actual designation used by its manufacturer or its users. Hence, mentioning these NATO codes at least once is useful for the reader's orientation, even though these code names are often meaningless for the people who design, manufacture and operate this equipment.

Regarding the Wing Loong article titles, as I said before and per the WP:Article titles policy, for the article titles we have to use the names most commonly found in independent, reliable English-language sources. Now, this criteria still leaves room for personal bias: people prefer to read and use some sources over others, and this influences their perception of which name is used more than the others. Moreover, the use of a name over another can vary over time, especially for subjects that are in the news. This is the case for Chinese-made drones: right now, I would say that the name "Wing Loong" is more widespread than the name "GJ-1", but maybe in five years it will be different.

What differentiates Wing Loong and Wing Loong II from some of the other Chinese drones is that they are quite popular on the export market, and they have been intensively used in combat by some of the export users (notably by the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia). Obviously, export users use the export name, not the one used by the PLA. So a lot of the reporting on these models also uses the export name. This is the reason why I think we should keep the designations "Wing Loong" and "Wing Loong II" for the article's names (but we should also mention the GJ-1 and GJ-2 designations in the main text, especially in the paragraphs dealing with the drones' use with the PLA).

I hope this clears things up, but don't hesitate if you have some further questions. Cheers, BilletsMauves^€500 11:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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sorry, I don't know how to add attribution because I don't understand Wiki editing language(I'm using the visual editing). But I will study it, thank you. Infinty 0 (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

You do it via your edit summary. Like this: Diff of Seres Group. — Diannaa (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, now I get it, thank you so much! Infinty 0 (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Why not contribute in Chinese wikipedia as well?

Hi there. Thank you for your contribution of Chinese car industry in English Wikipedia. However, since I noticed that you are also from China and your first language is Chinese as well, why not consider to contribute in Chinese Wikipedia as well? There are currently seriously lack of articles and updates about Chinese car models and brands in Chinese Wikipedia and even Ukrainian Wikipedia and Polish Wikipedia have more Chinese car articles than Chinese Wikipedia. So why not consider to contribute Chinese car articles in Chinese Wikipedia as well? It is so tragic to see that even other minor foreign language have more articles about Chinese car stuff than Chinese Wikipedia and Chinese car don't seem to have much attention in their "native language". I am currently uploading more HD Chinese car photos and creating some articles for Chinese Wikipedia in order to change this situation and I hope you could consider to contribute as well. Yours sincerely, User3204 (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

你好，谢谢你的关注。你所说的中文维基汽车词典的编辑我之前也考虑过，但因为政治原因在中国大陆地区无法正常使用维基百科，受众人群比起英文会少很多，加上中国有“汽车之家”“懂车帝”等多家专业汽车媒体APP，中国车在中国的信息会比维基百科更全更详细，所以就没有优先编辑中文词条。

不过谢谢你的支持，也许以后我会尽量抽出时间来编辑中文版。 Infinty 0 (talk) 01:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding the Jaecoo 7: if a car uses one name in all English-speaking markets, then that is the correct title for the WP entry. See WP:CARNAMES. While en.wp has a mostly global perspective, English is still the main language and English-speaking markets have primacy.

As for Livan, I replied on my talk page - one article for Maple and one for Livan is plenty and there is no need to list all of the unrelated old Maple products on the Livan page - only include things that overlap both names. Question: what is the IP editor trying to prove? Do they mean to say that Maple is still a separate brand from Livan? Is there any evidence to support their viewpoint or are they just being disruptive? Thank you,  Mr.choppers | ✎  18:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

Jaecoo is merely brands that Chery used in selected oversea markets, mostly mid-east countries and Russia (the same as Omoda brand). Jaecoo is far from a global brand and in some English-speaking countries like Australia and NZ, it still uses the Chery brand.

For Livan, and I don't really understand what the IP editor try to express. I'm a native Chinese and as far as I can find on the Chinese language sources, from the capital structure, SMA and Livan can be considered as the same company. The SMA ceased to be an independent brand since 2010 but exists as a subsidiary company that continued to produce Geely vehicles. In 2020, the Maple brand was revived as the Geely launched an joint-venture between SMA and Kandi while Geely further acquired its stake in the joint-venture and invite another new player Lifan (which was also acquired by Geely) to the JV and changed its name to Livan (Maple is not a separate brand anymore). Thus how it is comes to today. SMA never ceased to operate, the name "Shanghai Maple" ,"Maple" and "Livan" are different brand names that SMA used in past decades. This is why I try to prove that it is not necessary to set different articles for them, and the vehicle models that SMA produced should be showed together. They are just the SMA's legacies. Infinty 0 (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

That mostly makes sense. But Maple/Shanghai Maple are still distinct brands from Livan, just as how Simca became Talbot but remains a separate nameplate with a separate history and its own Wikipedia article; we do not include earlier Simca products at the Talbot page - only those cars which were also sold with Talbot badging. This is why the Livan article should not list anything before the Maple 30X (shouldn't it be "Maple 30x", by the way?). For some very shortlived brand like Dearcc, it might make more sense to move all content to Enovate, but Maple had significant history before being subsumed.

As for the Jaecoo 7 article, please start a discussion on the talk page. Provide a link to Australian market Geely-branded product and I will support restoring your title.  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe it should be Chery you are referring to? Infinty 0 (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, of course.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Infinty 0,

If someone reverts your edit or page move, you don't revert them back, you start a discussion on the article talk page. Please do that in the future instead of move-warring. Doing that persistently can lead to a loss of editing privileges. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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fuck off Infinty 0 (talk) 23:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

huhMrFlyingPies23 (talk) 23:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

read Wikipedia:Etiquette & Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Be kind and don't harrass or speak Inappropriate to others. Listen, MrFlyingPies23 (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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Seres_(automobiles)

Please explain what do you mean by "Not a U.S. based manufacturer" Its headquarters is in the U.S., therefore, that makes it a U.S. based manufacturer. Even if a company moved its headquarters from one country to another, it still gets the templates and categories of that country it moved to. Like for example, Sega was originally based in the U.S. (Hawaii) but have since then moved their HQ to Japan. And it gets the templates and categories of Japan as well. 2600:6C5D:5CF0:8420:A408:4F:34ED:2438 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The company you are talking about is SF Motors, a subsidiary of Seres Automobile.

There reasons I don't think it should be labeled as an U.S. manufacturer are simple and clear.

1. The SF Motors was an U.S. company acquired by Seres, and this article is about Seres not SF Motors
2. The SF Motors is an R&D company only, and never manufactured a single vehicle on the U.S. soil.

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Appreciate your past contributions to Automotive industry in China

Just want to say that your past contributions to the article Automotive industry in China is appreciated. It is unfortunate that recent edits have substantially altered the nature of the page. Iamnoone069 (talk) 04:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement, this is truly heart-warming. I didn't expect that the article would attract certain editor who has specific political agenda against China, which made the article less informative and neutral. This is completely contrary to my original intention.

To avoid spoiling the appetite of readers who genuinely love cars, I have stripped out the information about brands and manufacturers of China into a new article. Automobile manufacturers and brands of China. You may check it. Infinty 0 (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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December 2024

Your recent editing history at Automotive industry in China shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Amigao (talk) 21:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Amigao (talk) 17:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Daniel Case (talk) 07:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Infinty 0 (talk) 08:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Infinty 0 (talk) 08:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Why I am banned? Please check the edit history and talk page again. The user Amigao made a substantial change first to the article without explanation or consensus. Even after the discussion was initialed, he kept editing it as he wish before any consensus is reached. What I did was just restoring the article to the point before all the conflict started, how it becomes my fault? @Daniel Case Infinty 0 (talk) 08:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)