Generic1139

Barnstar

		<font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to Generic1139 for finding sites in 8 categories of Challenge #12 - Scavenger Hunt in West Virginia. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:52, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Maryland nominations

First, let me note that I'm really not very familiar with Maryland nominations. I've only twice paid attention to them: last summer when I was visiting Garrett County, and a couple of days ago when I decided to expand Green Spring Valley Historic District. I'm basically a lot more familiar with other states' sites than with Maryland's. Regarding your basic question: I'd say that either option is great. Adding a link to the nomination in External links is always fine, first off. Replacing the original reference to the summary with a new reference to the nomination is fine as long as you're "looking closely at each one to make sure that the information referenced is in fact in the nom form". Since it's so much more work, as you noted, I'd advise that you work on adding them as external links, unless you feel like putting a lot of time into these articles. Finally, please note that the thing with Dudemanfellabra is somewhat different. We're talking about pages with no references and pages with just one reference: any article that cites either the summary or the full nomination should also link the NRIS, so your activities really won't help or hurt the bot process. Of course, if you find an article that doesn't cite anything except the NRIS, adding the nomination would be quite helpful, because you'd be fixing a substantial problem.

Let me ask — are you familiar with how to get links to the nominations from the MHT website? To quote WP:NRHP help, "It is not known if it is possible to generate a permanent link to the NRHP nomination documents", because they don't really load in your browser. You'll have to navigate to the PDF and then pick your browser's View Source option (at least that's what it's called in Internet Explorer). Run a search for the characters pdf and copy the URL that ends with this string; this should be the URL of the nomination form. Nyttend (talk) 21:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if this is proper, but I've been getting them by getting the Maryland reference number, for example, G-IV-C-009, and then googling for that. Google comes up with the PDF link to the Maryland State Archive, and its been right so far and the page has been there. Whether or not they are going to persist, I can't guess. Generic1139 (talk) 22:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Hm, interesting! I never thought of doing that. Just please remember to provide a full citation if you place a nomination inside reference tags, since the full citation will still be valid even if they break the link: the URL is simply a convenience link to a printed publication, so the citation is still valid even if the link doesn't work anymore. Nyttend (talk) 00:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Gate House

Excellent work with your picture of Gate House! I've shared it on Wikimedia DC's Facebook page. Harej (talk) 14:29, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Images at Washington County History & Landmarks Foundation

Amazing work with adding pictures to Washington County History & Landmarks Foundation.--GrapedApe (talk) 00:57, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Announcing: NRHP Fall Photo Contest!

The WP:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest will kick off at midnight eastern time on Monday September 1! This is an opportunity for all folks with a camera (or a sketchpad and scanner, doncha know) and an interest in the National Register of Historic Places to just have some low-key fun and maybe get some barnstars. Come submit some photos or pose a challenge to your fellow editors. And maybe, just maybe, along the line we'll improve the encyclopedia... (Note that while this contest is intentionally concurrent with Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 and the Wikipedia Summer of Monuments, there ain't gonna be no cash prizes or press releases here. But compete in 'em all if you like - we won't be jealous.) — Ipoellet (talk) 22:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Photographer's Barnstar
	Thanks for your Cambria, Huntingdon & Westmoreland County images! Great photos Pubdog (talk) 21:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Westmoreland County photos

Thanks for all the work on the Westmoreland County NR listings! Since I'm up in northern Beaver County, my Westmoreland County involvement is minimal at best. I just wondered about a couple of things — (1) Have you considered photographing the sites of the no-longer-there locations, such as the armories in Ligonier and Mount Pleasant? It's better than no photo at all (if nothing else, it demonstrates that the building's gone), and several of us often go for these site-of-destroyed-building photos; for example, I just uploaded one for a demolished school in Altoona. (2) Do you have any idea whether it's possible to reach the Squirrel Hill Site? Google Satellite View makes me wonder whether the nearby road is anything beyond a mapmaker's imagination. Nyttend (talk) 00:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Some of the neighbors are going to think that the Andrew Rabb House is about to be robbed, or something like that; I too visited it on Saturday and just hadn't gotten around to uploading yet :-) PS, now I see that you got a pile of Greene County sites...and I was going to be the one getting Greene County to fully illustrated :-) Nyttend (talk) 12:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Good thing for the project that you took this trip; organising the new photos, I discovered that I missed two of the Greensboro houses (got the houses across the street from the listed ones), so they would remain unphotographed if not for your trip, and my photos at the Ernest Thralls House site are substantially poorer in quality. I left Beaver Falls late and didn't get to Waynesburg until 1PM, and most of my photos came after that, so I was probably several hours behind you in most locations. But how did you get the Thomas Kent, Jr., Farmhouse so close up? Park your car at the barrier and walk? I can take Crawford County; I'm thinking of going for some photos in westernmost New York (since I don't have any in the state) and was figuring on hitting some spots in Crawford and Erie Counties. Meanwhile, for the ELs, it wasn't as simple as it looks. I spent a good while (a couple of hours?) putting together a text file with the URLs for all of the Washington County nomination forms, so once I had them all listed and formatted, I opened a couple of dozen articles, clicked the edit-section button for the ELs or the References section (if there weren't any ELs), dumped in all of the nominations, and saved all of them. This done, I closed the windows, opened the next batch of articles, and repeated. This is basically because of the less-than-intuitive AskRegis; in Indiana, I became accustomed to the substantially simpler SHAARD system, in which it's easy to find nominations, so it's annoying to spend a pile of time finding nominations if I'm preparing for a photo trip. Since essentially all articles have already been created, I figured I might as well dump the nominations into all the articles that didn't already cite them. Nyttend (talk) 21:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Ahh, two ends; that makes sense. I was still some ways north of the spot the map called Laurel Run Road when my GPS said I was coming up to it (I print {{GeoGroupTemplate}} maps from Google and use the Pennsylvania Atlas and Gazetteer, but I also use a GPS as backup), and I couldn't figure out why. As far as the half-inaccessible sites, I've been happy to get the dimly-visible-through-trees images or the end-of-driveway images; several months ago, I added several of each to the Glenview and Harrods Creek sections of National Register of Historic Places listings in Jefferson County, Kentucky (when I was still living in southern Indiana), as I think both are better than nothing. I figure that I'll do the same with these Washington County sites when I get down there, if I get the chance; my photos from a couple weeks ago of the Experimental Mine, U.S. Bureau of Mines are all from-the-road shots looking toward the hillside in which the mine's located. Likewise, this has occasionally been the kind of thing I had to do in order to photograph all but six sites in all of Indiana; I'd love to see Pennsylvania or Ohio approach the 99.6% illustration rate that I had for Indiana! And as far as numerical milestones, I'm more interested in quality than quantity; that's why almost all of my writing (which has been rather sparse since the spring) has involved expanding NRIS-only stubs, especially since my native Ohio is second in both stubs and NRIS-only. Nyttend (talk) 01:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that I hope to be on the road tomorrow; it's supposed to be cloudy with some rain, but it's essentially the only chance I'll have for a while for a trip up north. I'm planning to hit all Crawford County and Warren County sites, along with some in Venango and Erie and the last one in Mercer, plus Chautauqua County NY. I keep forgetting to ask — where are you based? Of course I won't object if you don't want to mention your physical location on-wiki. Nyttend (talk) 13:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Removing the needs-photo tag is not bot-doable, largely because we often have images that aren't photos, e.g. a logo, or an image that shows a related topic but not the main topic of the article. For example, if we didn't have the infobox photo, the only image in First Unitarian Church (Cincinnati, Ohio) would be the photo of President Taft, but a bot wouldn't be able to know that. At one time, someone was running a bot that tagged talk pages with something saying basically "This looks like it has a photo; please review it", but it was eventually stopped, because (if I remember rightly) it was returning tons and tons of false positives. Nyttend (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Curious if you got out today? Weather.com said that I was supposed to face spotty rain and heavy clouds today, but I only had a few minutes of rain, and it was generally a partly-cloudy day with a few hours of virtually no clouds at all, so I was happily surprised. I wasn't able to get several Crawford County sites because of darkness (thanks to unexpectedly slow drivers and vast amounts of traffic in Jamestown, New York and Erie), but I picked up the Titusville HD and all five bridges that were listed in 1988 — but they're all gone, replaced by nothing at all (Oil Creek Township) or by concrete girder bridges (all four others). Hoping that I'll be able to pick up the Meadville sites at another time, as well as getting my own images of the Saegertown house and the John Brown Tannery. PS, I also went through Pleasantville, so Venango County will be fully illustrated once I get stuff uploaded. Nyttend (talk) 02:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good; I'm still uploading photos from northeastern Ohio on 1 October, and I haven't even started on organising my photos from Crawford County and Erie-to-western-NY. Tomorrow would be nice, but I have family in town, and it's the fifth-year reunion for my college graduating class. I'm beginning to plan a trip to the southeastern corner: I wouldn't get much in the way of new photos, but I've never been southeast of Harrisburg, and I just want to see the Philadelphia area and bits of Delaware. Nyttend (talk) 05:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I hate trying to get photos during parades; a 4 July parade cost me 30+ minutes during a long photo trip through Illinois this summer, due partly to the fact that I'd accidentally parked along the parade route and thus couldn't move my car after they started. But at least it does make the resulting photos look a little more interesting; File:Ayers Bank Building in Jacksonville.jpg and File:Morgan County Courthouse, Jacksonville.jpg depict a busier background than my typical architectural photo. Nyttend (talk) 05:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Wetherbee House (Greenville, Mississippi)

Why did you remove the Pelican Publishing reference? I think it should be restored.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for your questions. I tend to overcite for several important reasons: 1) Anybody could add content to Wikipedia and for it to have value, everything (within reason) needs to be cited. I don't write a full sentence without citing it, except in extreme cases (I wouldn't cite that the sky is blue for example). Obviously I don't cite as much in my academic research, but as anybody could add content here, I make sure it is fully cited. 2) All the articles I create could potentially reach GA status. There is an incredible amount of history to be unearthed about those historic buildings for example. I try to find as much information as possible, then create the page. As this is a work in progress, I hope others will expand the page with those references and other references they are able to find. Thus, references act as very important tools to expand an article. 3) When a reference will be useful later in the article, but it mentions something already cited at the beginning of the article, I add the reference first at the beginning, then add number 2, 3, etc. The reason for this, again, is that when the article is expanded, it is very useful to see which references specifically cite what. 4) I really see citations as the backbone of Wikipedia articles. They are the only reason why Wikipedia can be a reliable source of information. I don't find it harder to read the article at all with a tiny 1 or 2 at the end of the sentence. I shy away from adding references after commas and prefer doing it after full stops however, as that would perhaps make it harder to read. So instead, I tend to write shorter sentences, which works well in the English language anyway. (That is trickier in other languages.)

Now, I have a huge problem with the first paragraph you added to Wetherbee House (Greenville, Mississippi), as it is not cited at all. I know you are a serious editor and probably found the info somewhere, but where? And other editors who are not always serious may add more unreferenced info, in which case the article will be completely useless. Could you please an inline reference for it? Moreover, I love the information you added to Richmond (Natchez, Mississippi), but in the process you removed the inlined citation for "The property was originally owned by Juan St. Germaine, a Native American interpreter." I forget which reference I'd used. Could you please add it back so that I don't have to look for it again? (And in this case, you see, this reference will not only ensure the information is correct, but it will be possible to use it to create another article about that interpreter.) Finally, I think we should add back Pelican Publishing reference to Wetherbee House (Greenville, Mississippi), and perhaps we could add a short message on the talkpage suggesting references contradict each other, as it makes the "work in progress" easier.

Very happy to work with you to create more pages. I find Mississippi fascinating, as it is the poorest state in the US and yet has a lot of "hidden" history. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:58, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

NRHP 2014 photo contest - Scavenger Hunt Winner!

		<font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to Generic1139 for: the scavenger hunt as part of the Wikiproject:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest (Challenge #6 - Scavenger Hunt). —  Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Great work in W. Pennsylvania. I haven't been able to contribute much lately, but there are less than 200 sites in PA left to illustrate! With you and Nyttend on the job, that should go pretty quickly. I've been thinking of putting a notice at WT:NRHP saying something like "last chance to help finish illustrating PA". I'm in SE PA, where most of the remaining sites are located, I'd think I could get User:KLOTZ (on Commons only) to concentrate on NE PA. Should be a piece of cake. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree; thanks a lot. I have to have a full day free in order to get down your way, and I'll have to be around here for a long while to get time to visit everything you've already gotten. At some point before amazingly long, I hope to get the remaining Forest and Crawford sites (along with the Clarion sites not already in my collection), but due to job uncertainties (currently unemployed, may be able to be hired soon) and pending car repairs, I don't know exactly when I'll be able to get them. Are you planning on hitting the newly listed Methodist church in McKeesport? I've been doing periodic Allegheny County trips for my personal collection, and I'll definitely get it, but again I don't know when. Nyttend (talk) 21:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Very nice :-) Thank you! PS, looking at your comments on Smallbones' talk, I can sympathise. By the end of my time living in Indiana, I'd gotten every single site in the state (except for six behind the fences of Jefferson Proving Ground), so it was literally impossible to get new photos without leaving the state. I'd also gotten everything in nearby chunks of Illinois and almost everything in comparatively nearby chunks of Kentucky (see eastern Illinois at File:NRHP Illustrated Counties.svg), and I was getting tired of trips to Louisville, so my photo trips this year were one-day journeys to Chicago, Nashville TN, and St. Louis, plus a couple three-day trips that covered literally all other parts of IL and KY. Nyttend (talk) 17:19, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Just today I hit all remaining sites in Clarion, Forest, and Venango counties, together with the two at Clear Creek State Park in northwestern Jefferson County. Nyttend (talk) 00:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

No overlap whatsoever. I meant to go yesterday to Meadville, Conneaut, and Ashtabula, but after driving for quite a while, I realised that I'd forgotten my good camera. There was no way that I could even attempt to get the Ashtabula Harbor Light or the Conneaut Harbor West Breakwater Light with the diminutive zoom on my backup camera, so I gave up and stayed in PA. This weekend, I hope to take the trip that was planned for yesterday. Nyttend (talk) 19:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the Squirrel Hill update! I've really neglected Westmoreland County (since a late-August drive through New Kensington, I've gotten just one photo in the county), so your knowledge is way beyond mine. Made my planned Saturday trip; Crawford and Erie counties should both now be done (just have to do the uploading), in addition to the Forest and Jefferson sites that I already mentioned from a week ago. I have the day off work tomorrow (for once, no work and good weather occur together!), but I'm looking at hitting a bunch of sites in Ohio's poorly illustrated northeast. Nyttend (talk) 06:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks again for your advice on how to track down NRHP numbers. You've been a big help. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Let me get your opinion on something. The article WROX (Clarksdale) currently used a "radio station" infobox. I'm wondering if it should instead use an NRHP infobox (and swap the pictures). Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from Oklahoma

Many thanks for your edits/advice. I will apply your suggestions to the other ~15 pages I've made. Should be an expert by the end of that! Steven C. Price 14:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven C. Price (talk • contribs)

Question: Confused re. the "nomination form" v. the "registration form". When you click on the reference you included--and which is retrieved from the NHRP Query tool--what pops up is Registration form, not the "nomination form." So, where does one find the "nomination form"? Also, where did you get the date July 31, 2008? Steven C. Price 21:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven C. Price (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your help.Steven C. Price 19:33, 7 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven C. Price (talk • contribs)

Illustrations for PA municipalities

If you have time, I'd appreciate your help with a project that I've just created at User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania, with a goal of illustrating every Pennsylvania municipality. I'm not asking for photo-taking assistance (although of course it's certainly welcome) but for article-checking; if you want to help, just check articles to see whether they already have photos, and for bonus points, find already-onwiki photos for unillustrated municipalities. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 03:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

For townships, any reasonable landscape photo would work in my mind: either they're at least partially rural (so the landscape's representative), or they're largely urbanised, in which case a landscape would generally be a nice park or something like that, and parks are reasonable in my mind. For boroughs and cities, I'm generally looking for a building or group of buildings, although parks are also reasonable (see Homewood or the photo of a local landmark in Harmony), and when a township simply converts itself to a borough (e.g. Economy), I'm willing to accept landscapes as well. I'm just looking for something that's representative of the community in some way, excluding only the unhelpful photos such as the one at Franklin Park. However, if I were planning for everyone to follow my stipulations precisely, I wouldn't have asked for help; it's nice if you agree with me, but I'd assumed that you'd use your own criterion/criteria when deciding whether or not a place should count as being illustrated. Nyttend (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

After going through a county NR list and using as many photos as possible, I'm tempted to start adding coords to potentially good photo spots in specific municipalities that still aren't illustrated. For example, here in Beaver County, I'd thought of marking churches, municipal buildings, and scenic vistas in East Rochester, Rochester Township, and South Heights, just as general reminders to myself, while being sure to mark the immense rail yards at Conway so that I'd be sure to remember it. What do you think of such an idea? If you like it, feel free to add coordinates likewise for yourself. Nyttend (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Your remaining work is hereby plotted out for you. See the current edition of User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania for my "upgrade" of the thing. Nyttend (talk) 04:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, wasn't trying to make it sound like an assignment; it was meant to be a joking way of letting you know about the maps. I didn't exactly generate them — I downloaded blank maps (e.g. File:Map of Fayette County, Pennsylvania No Text.png), checked the list of unillustrated municipalities, consulted the labelled municipality maps (e.g. File:Map of Fayette County, Pennsylvania.png), opened the blank maps in Windows Paint, and colored the unillustrated municipalities. It's really easy to modify them: just download one, edit it in Paint, click "Upload a new version of this file" (near the bottom of the page, just above the metadata), and upload your modification. Nyttend (talk) 17:34, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

PS, I still have some work to do with finding on-wiki photos (checking Commons and going through the list of state parks), but I've done a little hitting-the-field work so far: I got most of the remaining Beaver County municipalities on Sunday, and this morning I hit the last two in Beaver, one in Butler, and several in Lawrence. Nyttend (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me understand. I suppose the hardest part will be getting the Northern Tier and points west; User:Ruhrfisch from this part of the state was formerly highly active (including NR-related topics) providing articles and pictures, but his last fifty edits have been spread out over more than three months. Hopefully I can hit some of the northwestern areas, since Erie, Crawford, and Mercer are heavily unillustrated. Nyttend (talk) 00:47, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

I've gone everywhere I can imagine, even checking every census-designated place and every other unincorporated community in the state for images, as well as the state parks; the communities were helpful, but we still have slightly over 1,000 municipalities left to go. When you're out taking photos, could you start getting scenes for municipalities too? I've done a little around here, as I mentioned above, and I plan to do more. I've added a section at the bottom of the list page, noting how many sites remain for each county. 23 counties have 20+ unillustrated municipalities, with a total of 709 municipalities between them; 15 of those counties, with 459 municipalities, are in the mountains or west of the mountains, so any help you could give with them would be appreciated. Nyttend (talk) 06:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

See my note at Smallbones' talk. Nyttend (talk) 06:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been concentrating on sites farther north and west, and I haven't been "down south" much lately — my last Washington, Fayette, and Greene photos were all in late September, and my last Westmoreland photos were August. I'm making a trip to Meadville to visit some friends and their church, and I'm hoping to get the two new NR listings in Erie County and knock out a bunch of unillustrated municipalities up that way. Nyttend (talk) 02:06, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

You're right; I'm sorry for the confusion. I've partially reverted, loading your last revision and unmarking McDonald on it. I should have checked the page history before uploading the new revision. I've saved all these maps on my hard drive, for when I have the chance to get photos; the problem is that I hadn't updated my hard-drive map when you updated the online map. I'll do my best to remember to make modifications to the latest online map henceforth. Nyttend (talk) 16:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks from Vermont

Blueridge12 (talk) 14:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC) Thank you so much for the edits you added to my page, "Galusha House." This is my first article. I responded in Sept. to the banner Wikipedia had at the top of all pages asking for photos of Natl. Reg. properties, and there was not one for the Truman Galusha House, Jericho, VT. We owned this house, and did the restoration in the 80s, so I have all kinds of photos, etc. Hope you think the article is ok. I've done a lot of writing, but very little coding...so I have learned a lot!! Thanks again for your help!!!

Tagging NRHP

Not necessarily - it's just one of those things that slip through from time to time. Sorry about that. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:52, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

I searched under Category:National Register of Historic Places and its subsets - I try to weed stuff out from under it, but things slip through from time to time. Shouldn't be too many here...I don't recall finding many untagged articles in the search. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Well...happy to be of help, then. :-) Let me know if you find others that need retagging/cleaning up and I'll have a look when I have a moment. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Benjamin Helm House

I don't have a reference anymore, as it was months ago when I created that article. I do remember reading somewhere that General Helm lived in the Benjamin Helm House before or at the beginning of the Civil War. (It may have been on a Historical marker, the kind they like to put in front of old building) I tried looking for the source of that info but I couldn't find anything. Until then, the reference to General Helm should be removed. I am not watching the article or anything, so feel free to do as you want with it. Sorry for the mistake.--The Old Pueblo (talk) 20:40, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know Gen Helm lived in Helm Place for a time but Im almost certain I read something about Gen Helm living in the Benjamin Helm house, probably after Benjamin Helm's death in 1858. Like I said before, it may have been a photo of a historical marker I read. Or maybe I was mistaken, I just dont remember. Sorry.--The Old Pueblo (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For finding proof and rescuing James S. Thompson House from deletion. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:55, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Stephenson-Campbell House

How did you get the photo? Street View makes it look impossible. I've not gotten anything in Washington County for a long time, but I need to start at some point, and I might as well knock out the northern locations sooner. Nyttend (talk) 05:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Fuller response coming later. Nyttend (talk) 16:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the details. I was in Allegheny County on Saturday, visiting the last few sites that I'd not previously photographed. As I was just a few miles away while getting the Mount Lebanon HD, I figured I'd check into getting it, but I quickly began to wonder from what I saw on Street View; I decided that they'd just put a "Do Not Enter" sign on the driveway to keep out the curious. Still, I wondered after seeing your image: had you found a convenient photo spot from the public right-of-way, or had you simply gotten permission somehow? All my photo trips are alone, so I can't give off the non-stalkerish appearance, so I guess I'll have to wait for an open house, if I'm able to get a job here and stay long-term. Nyttend (talk) 23:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

"Try it when the leaves are off" Makes sense. I took several trips to northeastern Louisville KY late last winter for this express purpose; I wouldn't have had a chance at getting the Allison-Barrickman House, Midlands, the Barber-Barbour House, or Rockledge in the summer. Nyttend (talk) 00:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Cambria County

Are you planning any trips to Cambria County in the near future? I spent most of my day "out east", getting all Cambria sites that I'd not previously visited (including the little Cambria chunk of the Windber HD), plus some Westmoreland (including the last unillustrated site, a chunk of the Main Line canal) and a few in Indiana (all of them are already online), and I spent a bit of time specifically on getting photos for unillustrated municipalities. No worries if you're not planning on visiting the area soon, but if you are, I'd like to give more details on what I have, so that you don't duplicate something if you don't want to. Nyttend (talk) 04:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Finally done adding photos, if you care. Nyttend (talk) 06:27, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Ducros Plantation

Thanks for your edit. Where did you find the reference for 1860? I think I read somewhere the house was built then by a sugar planter named Ducros, but I need a reference to add it there. Also, feel free to help me expand the page more. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

This link leads me to the main page. Where is the specific weblink or PDF please? I tried to search '85002759' but it did not take me there. This seems like an important part of Louisiana history (who were the Ducros, how many people worked for them, who did they sell their sugar to, etc.).Zigzig20s (talk) 22:24, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I am trying to figure out when it was named Ducros. I am also wondering if Colonel Van Perkins Winder (Colonel because he served in the Mexican-American War perhaps?) was a relative of Felix Grundy because his wife was Martha Grundy and they were both buried at the Nashville City Cemetery. I am not sure who Martha Grundy was, however. Not sure if you are able to find out more.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Even more interesting: Van Perkins Winder was born in Natchez!Zigzig20s (talk) 01:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, Martha Grundy was indeed Felix Grundy's daughter.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I have just created User:Zigzig20s/Van Perkins Winder. We'll see if it leads to an article. The connection to Grundy means they were members of the Southern aristocracy--I wonder if they owned more plantations. I read somewhere that they were Presbyterians (no surprise) and I wonder if this is the church where they worshipped or not. Not sure when it was built and it doesn't look like it's a listed building. The connections to Natchez and Nashville are interesting. His father died in Concordia Parish, Louisiana, so possibly on another plantation. (Lots of [https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Concordia_Parish,_Louisiana red links.) I will try to find more books and articles about Presbyterian planters in the Antebellum South. We may be limited in case not enough research has been published on this, however, but we can only try.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

New photos

Took advantage of the warmer-at-lower-elevations weather yesterday and visited Bedford County for photos; I didn't have time to get everything I wanted, but I got images of the site of the Alms House and of the Bedford County and Fulton County chunks of the Woodvale HD, so both counties will now be fully illustrated. Not sure how long it will be before they're uploaded (I've not started uploading NR pictures from last week's trip to the state of Indiana), but I just thought you might want to know. Also, check your email. Nyttend (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

A day late

I just thought I'd see what it was like, leaving it up for a few days :-) Nyttend (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: South Texas National Bank

You wrote that the building was demolished. This image was on the article previously. Did this building replace the one demolished in 1983, or are there two buildings being confused for one another? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for clarifying. I was not doubting that you were right, just trying to understand. Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I added some additional categories and the link List of delisted National Register of Historic Places properties to the See also section. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania#Photographing every municipality

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to try to hit various spots in Fayette County tomorrow, along with a little in Allegheny and perhaps that isolated little borough in northeastern Greene County. I'll let you know tomorrow evening what I got over the day. Nyttend (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

By the way, in two separate trips last week, I finished off all of the Indiana County and (aside from the house in Brookville) Jefferson County NR-listed sites, so don't worry about going up there unless you're going to expand your own photo collection (it's what I do) or to get unillustrated municipalities. I'll try to get them all uploaded soon; this will mean illustrations for two more municipalities, Green Township and South Mahoning Township. Nyttend (talk) 02:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I got Clarksville in Greene County today, along with Reserve Township in Allegheny County and Brownsville and Henry Clay Townships in Fayette County. Unfortunately, I wasn't paying good enough attention to the map, or I would have gotten Markleysburg and Jefferson Township also; I guess you'll have as much work as if I hadn't gotten those two townships. Nyttend (talk) 03:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I've spent my day expanding my personal collection with Washington County sites (User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania NRHP/Washington shows a lot of not-gotten-before-this-week sites), but it's not exactly been pleasant with the rain. I hope you had it somewhat better farther east, and/or that you came through Bentleyville and Green Hills in better weather. Nyttend (talk) 00:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I got a distant photo of Oak Hill yesterday, although it's probably poorer quality than yours — I didn't get off US40, since I'd forgotten to check beforehand what it was, and I was hesitant to go onto the grounds without knowing whether it were a public place. Also got a down-the-driveway photo for the Hugh Laughlin House (comparable to File:Baum-Shaeffer Farm driveway.jpg; I figure it's the best we can do) and a site overview for Francis Farm. Hope that the traffic wasn't so horrid as yesterday; that little construction spot on 40 near 119 in Uniontown was backing up traffic as far as Walmart and McClellandtown Road, and out at Fort Necessity (such a heavily populated place!) it took me forever to get onto 40 from one of the little side roads. Nyttend (talk) 01:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, a festival — that makes sense. I had no idea that there was some regional event going on. But that makes sense; getting the Welsh-Emery House on Friday was difficult because of the adjacent kettle korn booth and all the pedestrians walking around, and Scenery Hill was chaos yesterday. Put that together with the I-70 construction east of Washington, and I definitely took longer than expected to get around. I forgot to download the nominations (or even to read any) before I left on Friday, so I didn't get anything interesting at Oak Hill, just the walls along the road with buildings or lawns behind. Nyttend (talk) 13:54, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good; I wish I were still in the area. Is there a chance you could knock out some of the remaining Butler County townships too? All four of them are in the south; I had time to get most of the county's municipalities before I moved away, but the southern townships were too out-of-the-way for the trips I was making, and I didn't have time for a separate trip to get them. Thanks for the continued help! Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note; I was already planning to wait, but it helps to be told. I don't expect to do much more tonight — going to bed early tonight, since I'm on the road tomorrow and plan to set the alarm for 5AM. Nyttend (talk) 01:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Alfred Montgomery Shook

Thanks for reminding me of this userpage I created a while back. It needs to be expanded before it can be moved. I don't want to merge it with the house; I think he was notable in his own right. Feel free to help if you can find some good references. I need to see if I can find the full NYTimes obituary on newspapers.com...Zigzig20s (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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Well Done

Great work on the images for the WCLG-AM, WCLG-FM and WWVU-FM articles. Nice, clean images. Plus, you got the new sign for WCLG in there, which is awesome.

A question for you, are you from the Morgantown area? I ask, because the WFSP-FM article needs an update studio (and [[WFSP (AM)|WFSP-AM) tower) picture. The image that is on there was taking by me back in 2007. So it's been awhile.

If you are ever in Preston County, would you mind snapping a shot of the WFSP studios and WFSP-AM tower? Again, great work. :) Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer: Thanks. I do pass by Morgantown from time to time, and will probably get WFSP sometime in September. I plan to (slowly) get photos of studios and towers in the western Maryland/Northern West Virgina/Western PA area in the coming months. Generic1139 (talk) 15:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I look forward to you work. :) Just a heads up, when you do get WFSP's, if you go down Main Street in Kingwood, right after Monroe's Restaurant heading east on 7, you'll see WKMM's studios, sign and their STL. WKMM is the other radio station there in Preston County. Will be looking for your work in the weeks to come. :) Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Roberts, Johnson and Rand-International Shoe Company Complex

Thank you for expanding Roberts, Johnson and Rand-International Shoe Company Complex. I am working on Frank C. Rand and his family.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s:The Roberts, Johnson and Rand-International Shoe Company Complex nomination form mentions that Edgar E. Rand was a founder -Franks brother? I guess that's how he got the stock clerk job. Generic1139 (talk) 05:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Let me double-check, because there are several Edgar Rands. I am reading a book about the Rand-Norfleet family that you can find in the request page, or here.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Btw, are you able to add a map to Golladay Hall please?Zigzig20s (talk) 09:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s:I added the map, added the comtributing property info to the infobox, and changed the name of the district, which does have "St." rather than street in the focus DB. To make a contributing infobox for a property not listed on its own, just add cp as the type, and use partof_refnum= for the reference number, and partof= for the name. Generic1139 (talk) 15:53, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Back to Rand, I've started Dunvegan (Holly Springs, Mississippi) (perhaps you could add a map too). I referenced an article taken from this website, whose copyright says, "Essays and other narratives, provided at this web site, may be reproduced for nonprofit personal or educational use only.", and anyway the article I referenced was not published by that webmaster. However, I'd like to see the full article to uncover the Cochran origin, but I'm not sure how to contact the webmaster--are you able to find their contact info on their website? It says it's not been updated since 2011, so that may not work. Either way, this was a start. The webpage says Jesse P. Norfleet was a millionaire, but perhaps only through his marriage to planter Moses Carlock's daughter. I'm not sure if there is any info about his furniture out there, in which case Jesse P. Norfleet could have his own page too...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I think Moses Carlock should definitely have a page, with the plantations he owned. I'll try to find out if there are references we could use though...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I think you're right about the brother. Be careful because Edgar E. Rand was Frank C. Rand's son.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you could add a map to Hillcrest Cemetery as well. Hopefully someone will upload the black-and-white pictures to Wikimedia Commons at some point...it would be great to add a gallery!Zigzig20s (talk) 11:46, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

WFSP/WKMM

Nice work on the WFSP and WKMM studio images. Glad you had a sunny day for them, they came out great. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Fite-Williams-Ligon House

Hello. Are you able to find the NRHP registration form of the Fite-Williams-Ligon House? I tried to google it and usually it's easy to find, but not this time for some reason...Zigzig20s (talk) 14:35, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Found it. Problem solved.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Are you up for ...

taking the lead on Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Wiki Takes America 2016 (or some similar name). I think I said I'd pursue this if at least 3 people sign up for leadership roles (this could be you, me, and maybe Nyttend, and whoever else want to do the work) and 5 other people sign up as being interested in helping. We're right there if we count Daniel Case in, say as jury organizer. I'm definitely committed to 10/hrs per week during September and before that I think maybe 5/hrs per week will be needed maybe once a month (but whatever it takes as far as I'm concerned, as long as I'm not doing it alone).

If you are, why not just start the page? If the signups come in, in a reasonable amount of time- it's a go. If not, we can just forget about it. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:18, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

@Smallbones: Yes, I'm up for getting it started. I assume you are talking about a page to be used by an organizing committee to start the process of deciding exactly what we're doing? Do we need to contact the DC group first? They seem to own the page used for the last two contests in 2013 and 2014 wikilovesmonuments. That page is copyright Copyright 2013 · Wiki Loves Monuments USA, doesn't has a cc-by-sa or similar license, and has advertising. Any idea why they went that route? Was that to facilitate the prizes? Generic1139 (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes the page would be just for organizing, e.g. we should have signup space for organizers (willing to commit to moving the project forward) and for volunteers (willing to commit 5 hours per week in September). We should have a space for defining our goals - I'll suggest 1) recruiting new photographers, 2) getting photos of unillustrated sites. I'd forgotten about the off-wiki page, but just checked it out. It has been changed a bit, but it was for sponsorships (ads), getting money for prizes, maps, POV "let's do it" type material. It was started before Wiki DC came in so I wouldn't think they literally "own" it, but I wonder who does? It's likely a free Word Press site, so perhaps the topic has never come up. All we'd need is passwords, probably from Wiki DC. I'll be talking to them this weekend so I can check it out. I may send you an e-mail within a few days. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:11, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

@Smallbones:Ok, I'll set up an organizing page. Whois says wikilovesmonuments.us is a godaddy domain name, billed to Wikimedia District of Columbia. It expires December 3, 2015. Generic1139 (talk) 16:27, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Accokeek Creek Site

Hi - I dropped a pin in Google Maps at the ceremonial site near Chief Tayak's grave and recorded the lat/long. Is this not permitted? It maps correctly in other sites, as well, so I believe they're the correct coordinates. I live nearby, so could also visit the site and get the coordinates from GPS. Craigbucher (talk) 22:52, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Photo question

I need to be south of Morgantown WV for a couple of days this week, and I hope to have time to get most or all of the Marion County sites. One problem, however: how do I get the Jacob Prickett, Jr. Log House? Obviously you did, but the Google satellite view makes it look like you'd have to go down somebody's driveway for a quite a ways in order to get this image. Is it part of Prickett's Fort State Park, or are the coords messed up, or is there some other solution? Nyttend (talk) 01:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@Nyttend: I took a look at the information (since it is after Midnight) and that is the cabin in question. The coords on the Wikipedia page are a tad bit off, as the cabin is just a few hundred feet south and just slightly east in the field. From what I can see on Google Maps, it doesn't look like the house is part of the State Park. You can email these folks for more information. They seem to be a historical society for the cabin. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:38, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I checked with Google Street View (for out on Route 72) and Bing Bird's Eye (for the dirt road) and I don't see any gates blocking your path. I would knock on the door of the house at the bottom of the dirt road and ask them if it is OK. From what I can tell, that is their property (I don't see any fences or dividing marks) so they probably wouldn't mind, but it doesn't hurt to ask. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

@Nyttend:This was taken from a public spot, as seen on street view. I parked in the lot marked by the stones, went to the chain, and used a 100-400mm zoom at 235mm. This was back in the day when I let the upload wizard fill in the location, which is not correct. Give me a few minutes and I'll edit the photo to include the camera position and the object location. Generic1139 (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC) BTW, Bing bird's eye gives a better view of the little parking lot, and also shows that the roof was off the house, and the walls have supports. Bing might have the newer view. Generic1139 (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer and Nyttend:I've also uploaded a wider angle (100mm) of the house, taken 26 seconds later. This is still depth compressed, but the foreground shows that the photo wasn't taken from the field, or far down somebody's driveway. Generic1139 (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I didn't think you had taken it from the field. I figured you used a zoom-lens. I was just saying that cabin was in the field and not where the coords on the Wikipedia page said it was. Obviously, like you said, the wizard got it wrong. Silly wizard. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:20, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I uploaded that pic back in the days before I knew how to make the brooms dance on my own, albeit sometimes with less than the desired results. Generic1139 (talk) 21:24, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

No worries. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:35, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the help! Most of the other Marion County sites should be simple (I'll have a bunch of time in and around Fairmont), so maybe I'll just try for everything. Nyttend (talk) 23:08, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

@Nyttend:I'm going through Marion and making corrections, the Hamilton Round Barn, for one, was a quarter mile away, though you would have probably have found it. It is big. And round. Generic1139 (talk) 23:24, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

That's still small and obscure, compared to other buildings, seen from 1/3 mile through a point-and-shoot with only minimal optical zoom :-) And thanks for the corrections; they'll definitely help. Nyttend (talk) 01:55, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@Nyttend:I'm done with the updates for Marion County - of the stuff I took pics of. The only other one that was off was the Shaw House, I recall it had me looking on the wrong side of the road for a while. My pic was shot through the archway at the street end of the entrance walkway. The George Pinkney Morgan House is 135mm zoom from the public road end of a long driveway. I can't reconstruct the location of the Governor Pierpont marker, sorry, the location is just what the county list had for the Woodlawn Cemetery. Generic1139 (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Duly noted; of course the gateway's big enough on Street View that I'll easily find the house, now that you've drawn my attention to it, and full zoom should make the Morgan House comparatively easily visible. No problem with the cemetery; I'm just going for a few representative scenes, not trying to duplicate your work. When recently in Detroit, all I got at Mt Elliott Cemetery was the gateway and a few scenes of graves that were visible from the gateway. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 11:49, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

After finishing the Marion County sites this morning, I went down to Grafton to get Taylor County sites. Unless you get images for your own collection, don't bother trying to get the Clelland House; I got it today as well. But if you do get images for your own collection, as I do, be sure to go down there before spring. The road's on a ridge above a meadow, with the house on a hill on the other side of the meadow, and while there aren't any trees between the house and the meadow, the road is tree-lined. Right now, you can see the house easily, but with leaves on the trees, you wouldn't see a thing. Nyttend (talk) 02:58, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

@Nyttend:Thanks for the heads up. I mainly concentrate on listings that aren't already illustrated, so if you get to anywhere else in WV in the near future, let me know. I want to get one more big trip in before the holidays. Generic1139 (talk) 03:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations on 5,000,000 articles

for all your contributions, thank you.

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@Smallbones:Thanks. And thank you right back. Generic1139 (talk) 01:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: oops

No problem; I figured you weren't familiar with Ohio usage. Lots of details on different villages at Village (United States), if you care. Nyttend (talk) 16:39, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Glynn Academy

I responded to your message on my talk page. Without access to 11000775, I can't be sure if it is for the 1840 building only or the whole school. If you are confident that it is the 1840 building only, then I think there should be a general Glynn Academy category and one for the 1840 building, say Historic Glynn Academy Building. And I can straighten them out. What do you think? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 21:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I created a category Historic Glynn Academy Building and put the 1840 building in there. I removed the NRHP tag from the other Glynn Academy buildings, except that I changed the ones that are contributing building to the Old Town HD, I changed them to 74000683 79000727 - I hope that is OK (I don't know what the policy is for contributing properties). Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:38, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

List of municipalities in Pennsylvania

Something has gone wrong with the List of municipalities in Pennsylvania, but I can't figure out what has happened. Please take a look.--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:11, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Princeton Station.

At Princeton (NJT station), one would think that it was part of the Princeton Historic District (Princeton, New Jersey), but from NRHP boundary descriptions and map on HD page, doesn't seem so. Would you like to check that? It may necessary to revert your changes. Thanks, Djflem (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

@Djflem: The station info was included in the PDF for the HD nomination, and is mentioned as being part of an HD in the TR. I'll see if I can figure out what that all means. Generic1139 (talk) 21:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Photos of the station are also included in the pdf of the HD photos, though the notation is for the Thematic nomination, not the HD. The TN does say that the Princeton station wasn't voted on because it was part of an HD, and it didn't get its own number. This may be a case where the station is eligible for the NRHP, but isn't actually listed on the NRHP. Still looking. Generic1139 (talk) 22:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

The NJ survey [1] (transit survey page 1) says the station is part of the HD, but that may have just been incorrect, as the HD doesn't go far enough south. The 1865 building to the north may be been in the district. Generic1139 (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

A number of changes have been regarding status of 1918 station buildings, as to whether it is not a contributing property to the HistDist or only listed as part of the ThemNom.

• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Princeton_(NJT_station)&diff=next&oldid=547215683
• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Princeton_(NJT_station)&diff=next&oldid=650870356 by User:Djkeddie,who appears to be Princeton historian
• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Princeton_(NJT_station)&diff=prev&oldid=667014164
• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Princeton_(NJT_station)&diff=next&oldid=667036068
• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Princeton_(NJT_station)&diff=next&oldid=680553515

I have added this discussion to the talk page. Would you please record your findings there so as to avoid discrepancy in the future? Thanks Djflem (talk) 07:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

@Djflem: I put details on the talk page, and asked for comments from the NRHP project as to how to resolve the issue. Generic1139 (talk) 22:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Charles Wenner House

Well, that's certainly a weird situation. The photographer who took the current image also added the original unsourced comment about the house being demolished, but they never had a source for it outside of a vague comment about "township officials". Now we have another user disputing that, but they don't have a source either. Until someone can actually find a source for any of this, I think the best thing to do is remove the photo and all of the comments about the post-listing fate of the house. (At the rate this is going, something tells me I'm going to have to drive out there and investigate myself if I want to get this sorted out...) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I've removed it from the county list too. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

And just like that, we have a new photo of the house, still standing (as of 2006, when the photo was taken), and based on the IHPA's photo it's the right house this time. I wasn't expecting this to get resolved quite so quickly, but there you have it. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:00, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Scarritt College for Christian Workers

Hello. I have reached a conundrum, and perhaps you can help. The Scarritt College Historic District is on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Davidson County, Tennessee, but it was started as the Scarritt Bible and Training School in Missouri and moved to Nashville in 1923-1924, when it was renamed the Scarritt College for Christian Workers; it was known as the Scarritt Graduate School from 1981 to 1988, and it is now known as the Scarritt Bennett Center. So I am not sure what to do with it. Should we create several pages, or just move the article on the Scarritt College for Christian Workers to Scarritt Bennett Center, or to Scarritt College Historic District?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:54, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: There are a few choices on this one, and probably equally "correct". There probably isn't enough info to do two full articles on the HD and the Scarritt College for Christian Workers. My suggestion is make a combined article. Add the HD info into the existing Scarritt College for Christian Workers article. Make a redirect for Scarritt College Historic District pointing at the Scarritt College for Christian Workers article. The Scarritt College for Christian Workers article would get an NRHP infobox with name=Scarritt College Historic District. It's simpler than doing two and then merging them later. Unless the new Scarritt Bennett Center is notable in its own right, it doesn't need an article. If it is notable, it would stand alone and wikilink to the HD/Scarritt College for Christian Workers article. If it isn't notable, a one line mention in the HD article and maybe an external link would be sufficient. I wouldn't combine all three. Generic1139 (talk) 18:19, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

OK, you could take a look and perhaps add a map. (But do you think adding a map of Nashville would make more sense?) I think there is some African-American history, maybe it accepted black students or faculty before Vanderbilt (which is across the street), but I haven't found a reference so far. The trustees of the Scarritt Bennett Center are mostly black, if you look on the website. Notice how the architect was Presbyterian btw!Zigzig20s (talk) 10:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s:I added the map, marked it as a historic district, added the other usual NRHP stuff, and the list of included buildings. There is no Nashville local map for use with locmapin that I could find, so I used the TN map. Generic1139 (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. It would be good if some students could take pictures of the other buildings, but we'll see if that ever happens. I will try to create Nathan Scarritt and William May Wightman later. I was glad to connect the dots with Jesse Lee Cuninggim btw.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:08, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I've created an article about Bishop Wightman, but strangely enough I can't find a reference that says that the chapel was named for him. It seems obvious as he was a Bishop of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, and he gave a speech at the dedication of Vanderbilt University across the road. But are you able to find a reference please?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: Based on a snippet, it looks like it was named after his wife. Mrs. William M. (Maria D.) Wightman. I googled in Books for "Bishop Wightman" "wightman chapel". The snippet view from google for History of South Carolina Methodism shows it, the pdf scan of the page cuts off too soon. Generic1139 (talk) 22:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Is there a weblink with a page number? Can you please add the reference? I will then use it to add it to his page and add a picture of the chapel as well.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s:I can't find a url that will show the snippet, and the pdf isn't complete, I don't think it is good enough for a reference. If you do the same google search you might see the same snippet on the search results page, and you can draw your own conclusions about basing a reference on it. I tried to find some other reference based on searching for his wife's name and haven't found anything yet. Generic1139 (talk) 22:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, this is the incomplete image , see page 402. Generic1139 (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I've added a reference from a book. Take a look.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Question for Ya

Do you plan on going down to the southwestern part of Virginia, specifically around Abingdon? I ask because I'm needing a picture of a radio station's studios and it's broadcast tower. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer: Sorry, no, my usual range is western PA, northern WV, and western MD. Generic1139 (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I didn't think so, but I wasn't sure. I noticed you had some Mississippi photos too, so I didn't know if you did any traveling. It's no worries though. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Generic1139, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and hope your day is full of the true spirit of the day. Plus, good food, good family and good times. :) Have a Great Day! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:00, 25 December 2015 (UTC) Spread the joy of Christmas by adding {{subst:User:Neutralhomer/MerryChristmas}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Infobox problem

I'm afraid that I have to call your attention to an error in the NRHP infobox that you recently inserted in Museum of Nebraska Art. The infobox gave the architect as "James Taylor Knox". Since you've done a lot of NRHP work, presumably including a few post offices, you've probably spotted the mistake already: it should be James Knox Taylor.

I assume that you pasted the Elkman infobox into the article, and that the error is the NRIS's fault and not your own. Unfortunately, the NRIS is error-prone enough that I think we need to fact-check the Elkman infobox before using it. MOS:INFOBOX states that the infobox should be a summary of the key facts in the article body, and that all material in the infobox should be included in the body text, presumably with adequate citations. I think this is a guideline that we should be following: otherwise, we're going to wind up blindly copying a lot of bad data from the NRIS.

I've fixed the infobox in this article, but I wanted to give you a heads-up about the problem. And thanks for inserting the infobox: as a Kearneyite, I really should have checked the article before now. — Ammodramus (talk) 04:55, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ammodramus:That was just a mistake on my part. I do verify the info from elkman, but this time I had added (supervisory architect) or some such after the name, to reinforce the fact that he probably had little or nothing to do with the actual design but it made the infobox even longer, and when I took that out, I lost the wikilink and the correct deconvolution. I left the infobox embedded with the history section, but, as the article was about just one building, I probably should have placed it at the top as well. I'm always reticent to hijack an existing article that isn't about the history of the building by placing our infobox at the top. Thanks for catching and fixing this. Generic1139 (talk) 14:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I hope I didn't jump on you too hard in my original note. An article I've been working on in the past week or so has required a higher-than-usual number of "Sources differ..." footnotes, and that's left me more bothered than usual about the likelihood of infosphere pollution via casual dissemination of NRIS errors.

I went ahead and moved the NRHP infobox to the top of the article. One of the many, many things on my to-do list is the addition of a history and description of the building to the article. At present, it's rated as a stub for WikiProject NRHP purposes, but the addition of a few paragraphs on the building would bring it up to Start level. — Ammodramus (talk) 13:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ammodramus: Not to worry, I try to use my extra thick skin when working on Wikipedia, especially when someone has a valid issue, cogently presented. Generic1139 (talk) 15:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Commons-category template

I've reverted your addition of the Commons-category template to a couple of NRHP articles, and restored my original version of the link. While the template may be standard, I'm afraid that it conveys very little information to the reader.

The phrase "Media related to X" was presumably coined in the realization that a Commons category might include things like a sound file of the song of the Orange-crowned Warbler, or a video of the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge. Unfortunately, we apparently had to give up clarity in order to gain inclusivity: I doubt very much that the casual reader will know what's meant by the media-related phrase. In view of that, and considering that the NRHP-site categories under discussion consist entirely of photos, I think it's better to use more explicit phrasing: "Photos of church" or the like. — Ammodramus (talk) 04:04, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ammodramus: I disagree. Media seems clear enough, and 650,000 other articles, albeit, not all of them NRHP based, use the standard commons templates. There are 19,421 articles matching the search phrase "Wikimedia Commons has media related national register of historic places". About 21,085 match the string "Wikimedia Commons national register of historic places". With this admittedly crude measure, less than 92% of the NRHP articles that reference commons use the template or similar wording. While a category might contain only photos at this time, it may well contain drawings in the future. I'm not going revert your revert, but neither does it seem reasonable that I check each article I edit to see if it was you that added the non-template string. Suggestions? Generic1139 (talk) 04:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ammodramus: My plan for moving forward - if the article already has a manual link to commons, I won't change it. If the article has no link to commons, I'm going to add one of the standard templates. Generic1139 (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. For my part, I'm still reflecting on your previous comment. Your point that drawings, paintings, and other non-photographic depictions might be included is a very valid one. If I can't think of anything better, I might change "photos" to "images" in my handmade link; that'd be more explicit than "media", and would cover a wider range of material. Ammodramus (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Liberty library

Actually, the library is in both. When uploaded, I marked it as being in the local HD, and as this was more than a year before the courthouse HD got NR status, this was well before the nominations reached the upcoming listings page of the Indiana SHPO — all I knew about was the local district, not the upcoming NR district. The district in question is the one specified in Union County: Interim Report, the local edition of a statewide series that identifies historic sites and districts both with and without NR status. That's why I specified "local HD", distinguishing it from the NR district. Nyttend (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

It was a 2014 update that changed the text to "it is part of the Liberty Residential Historic District, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places". I've corrected the NRHP tag on the image to be the Courthouse refnum, as it in not in the residential NR district. I simplified the text to note just the HR district that it is currently a part of. I've also removed it the image from the residential item on the county list as it isn't in that NR district (at least according to SHARD). Generic1139 (talk) 19:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Well, it is clear looking at the map that the library is only in the courthouse district, but the library is listed by name in the residential nomination. I"ll rechange things to match the text of the nomination, after an additonal review. Generic1139 (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The only real problem was that the image was in the courthouse NR HD category, and the library isn't there, it is only in the residential NR district. I've (re)adjusted everything. Generic1139 (talk) 20:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Photo Question

I was wondering if you ever did photo work in Massachusetts and North Carolina. I ask because I'm looking for a picture of a specific radio station studio building and broadcast tower in Haverhill, MA and the same in Roanoke Rapids, NC. Since you did such great work on the WCLG, WKMM, and WFSP studios/towers (among others), I was hoping you could help. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:15 on June 23, 2016 (UTC)

@Neutralhomer:No, sorry. I'm mostly OH, PA, WV, MD. Generic1139 (talk) 19:29, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

No worries. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:51 on June 23, 2016 (UTC)

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