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Archive of January-March 2009

This is a collaborative project

You do realize that this is a collaborative, consensus based project? So by comments such as "the regulars at DYK have hammered out a consensus" and "(should not be decided by the community) rather than decided upon by DYK regulars (does he support the same extreme view for changes to, say, policy pages?)" that only regulars at a page can participate? Sounds rather unwiki to me. So, when an arbcom case comes up you're saying only arbcom regulars can participate and others, such as most DYK people can't since most of them don't hang around RFAR? Seems to me your view is the extremist one. Rather disconcerting in an admin. — Rlevse • Talk • 04:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I never said that, I'm saying be open to the community, ie, just allow those who want to comment to comment. By saying only regulars should decide and comment, you're shutting out those who want to chime in. THAT is the problem. — Rlevse • Talk • 04:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I am no good at these :( But happy new year to you too :)))Taprobanus (talk) 04:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK rotation

I know you've had a busy day and I'm so glad you were able to keep DYK running while so many folks, myself included, were very much out of pocket. There's no rush since it won't come up in rotation for about 10 hours from now but was there a specific reason you moved the Next Update hooks to queue 1 instead of queue 4? I appears that queue 4 should have been the next one filled. Oh, and happy new year! - Dravecky (talk) 12:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Right, the current set on the main page was in queue 1 so the next set will load from queue 2. Then it'll load from queue 3, then 4, then 5, then 1 again so I would have expected that with 2 and 3 full and 4, 5, and 1 empty that you would have moved the latest set of hooks assembled in Next Update to queue 4 so they'd come up right after queue 3. - Dravecky (talk) 12:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Just wanted to be sure. Thanks again for all your hard work. - Dravecky (talk) 12:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Gatoclass, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for your hard work on DYK! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

nestoridae updated

Hi Gatoclass, long time no see. I updated Nestoridae. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 05:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Nestoridae is the family, and a family in biology can contain multiple genera, see Biological classification. It is a hierarchical system in which higher ranks becomre more and more inclusive. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 06:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK Nezihe Viranyalı

Hi! Thanks so much for your contribution. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 20:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK Breastfeeding

Thanks for the notice. Wapondaponda (talk) 08:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK Boga (noisemaker)

Thanks for the heads-up. =) — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• ^Speak! 09:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm back

I am back from the trip. Could you please tell me what happened to the bot? --BorgQueen (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice vandalism

Hey Gatoclass, you probably aren't the right person for me to ask about this, but maybe you'd be able to point me in the right direction. I recently noticed some confusing vandalism to the edit notice for my talk page; see this revision. But the weird thing is, that text that shows up on the editnotice itself doesn't show up in the edit window...it seems to have been hidden somehow. Furthermore, no edits from anyone else show up in the edit history, so I don't know who inserted the text or when--but I can guarantee that I didn't vandalize my own edit notice when I updated it. Do you know if there are any admins who have access to tools that can find more detailed information about what has happened to pages, since it appears that someone was trying to circumvent the site's technology? I don't really know anything about how all that works. Thanks, Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

If it helps, here is the edit where I updated the editnotice to the version that was later vandalized; as you can see from the diff, I didn't purposely insert any weird text, but whatever change was made later caused the text to display in that and the next three revisions of the edit notice, until just now when I reverted to an earlier version. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Pardon the intrusion but I just repaired the vandalism to the {{tlf}} template. It was this vandalism that was inserting the obnoxious text. Any edit to your Editnotice page will force an immediate update to the clean version. Otherwise, it will get updated in the next day or two when Wikipedia's servers use slow periods to automatically update articles with updated templates. - Dravecky (talk) 23:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought all templates were supposed to be editprotected? Gatoclass (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Dravecky. As for Gatoclass's comment, it looks like {{tlf}} is not, although it definitely should be, it's a very high-use template. I just requested page protection at WP:RFPP. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 13:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The template is indefinitely semi-protected. It might even be appropriate to have in indefinitely full protected, since most non-admins don't have any need to edit it AFAIK, but I didn't think about that until just now and the semi-protection request has already been done. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Manual conversion

Regarding this, it is perfectly fine to convert manually if you prefer, however you need to add   between a value and a unit per WP:NBSP. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Btw, I wonder why you'd like to avoid using the conversion template, since it seems to work fine (although I've seen it causing errors once or twice). --BorgQueen (talk) 07:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Well there is no point in changing it back after adding those little strings, but perhaps the output didn't break because a value+unit item was longer than usual and the conversion template protected it from breaking (as dictated by MOS)? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

User:DYKadminBot/count

Thanks for keeping this in sync, however at the next update interval, please allow the bot one hour to do its update. (I will be watching it trying to figure why it won't do it) I am trying to figure out why the bot won't run, it thinks it has no need to update when I run it. —— nixeagle 15:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

re your mesage to my talk page, it is not yet time to update... In theory the next update time is around 7-8 UTC, as the last update was done around 1-2 UTC. What I am asking for isn for you guys to allow me to attempt to debug the bot at 830, which is 30-90 minutes past the correct time for the dyk updates. If someone manually does this before 830, I will have to wait until the next update to fix the bot, if we can avoid that I would be happy. —— nixeagle 09:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok figured this out, next update is set for 1500ish UTC. Let me run that update using the bot. Do not manually do the *next* update. Please update WT:DYK if my message is at all confusing with what I just posted here... Sorry for the confusion... I am posting from a blackberry atm.

—— nixeagle 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, and sorry about the confusion. Please do tell me what the next queue is to update. AFAIK it is queue 4 if this is incorrect I need to know :). If that is correct... I would apprciate your confirming it :) —— nixeagle 09:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Great thanks :) —— nixeagle 10:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

External mind needed

Hi,
Could you please come and give your mind here where there is a huge content issue between me and NoCal, retroactively supported by several editors. Thx ! Ceedjee (talk) 12:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

It is not a content issue at all. The POV issue you raises (article name) was discussed 4 months ago, and your opinion did not gain support. a {{POV}} should not be defacing an article just because you didn't get your way. NoCal100 (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

thank you for your effort.

But I insist that you come.

The issue is not a question of knowing or not the topic.

These are questions of wp:principles.

People cannot one side come and cry on my talk page when I become upset because of bad faith and disappear when there are a real issue.

Ceedjee (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you send me an email ? Thank you. Ceedjee (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Man-made famines

As you were active in the previous discussion, this is just a heads up on Talk:List of wars and disasters by death toll#Man-made famines, 2009 --PBS (talk) 13:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SS John Stagg

Hi, this article has been nominated for del.--J.Mundo (talk) 02:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bristol (1866) (96/2)

On January 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bristol (1866), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 04:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Providence (1866) (97/2)

On January 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Providence (1866), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 04:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for William H. Webb (98/2)

On January 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William H. Webb, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 04:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Medal

		The 100 DYK Medal
		I hereby bestow this recognition on the occasion of reaching the coveted century mark, the triple-digit mark of achievement in the realm of DYK. Particular notice is given of all the fine quality handicraft you have done on all things nautical, especially regarding ships and shipbuilding. Who knew there were enough different boats to write so many articles? It is only fitting that the 100 mark was reached with a DYK triple consisting of two ships and a boat builder. Please accept this award as a token of recognition for your worthy accomplishment. Congratulations on the honor! Alansohn (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Great minds, etc.

Ha! Sorry to step on your editing toes there but we were both trying to do an update at the exact same time. Thanks for keeping up with these vital admin tasks. (Good news: nixeagle says the bot might be back as early as tomorrow.) - Dravecky (talk) 04:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Combo New / Nominate DYK Question

The combo Steelmark / Logos and uniforms of the Pittsburgh Steelers currently listed at DYK on the main page was a combination of a new article for Steelmark and the nomination of Logos and uniforms of the Pittsburgh Steelers created by another editor. I've never created a DYK like that before and I'm not sure if I am eligible for a nomination for Logos and uniforms of the Pittsburgh Steelers in addition to the credit I already received for the Steelmark article. Do any of our written or unwritten policies address this? Alansohn (talk) 15:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Shasta with pic

That was really beatiful the way you listed the article with the pic. Great job, thanks Taprobanus (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

DYKsug template update

Hi Gatoclass, sorry it's taken me a while to implement what we talked about back in December. Anyway, I now have a dev version up here that, as you asked, auto-generates the credits even when there's more than one article. As far as I can tell it works correctly in all usual circumstances and even some unrealistic circumstances (such as when every possible contributor field is filled in). It will still have problems in the rare case of complex multi-noms where different people contributed to different articles, but in those cases I guess the nominator can leave a |comment= explaining that, and vetters can be wary to ignore the auto-generated credits.

Anyway, once you have a chance, take a look, experiment if you want (except, unfortunately, I'm using my sandbox right now for another project, so I would appreciate it if you could do the tests in a different sandbox; in any other circumstance I would welcome people to use my sandbox for testing the template, but right now I'm using it to update a long list article) and let me know if everything is ok. If everything is ok, I can update the real template.

Also, just so you know, Suntag and I were discussing changing the templates' naming scheme here, if you have any thoughts. We figured having DYKsug and DYKsuggestion isn't very clear, especially since the more "normal" name (DYKsuggestion) is not the one that people are supposed to use...so the idea is to make the main template (the one people subst) be DYKsuggestion, and rename the current DYKsuggestion to something that lets people know it's not meant to be used by humans. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, ignore the above; I've tested the updates enough and am going to update the real template now. But here's the real thing that you'll be interested in: I remembered your other request (getting rid of all the fields that show up in DYK noms now) and started trying to code a brand new template that could, hopefully, replace both DYKsug and DYKsuggestion. The results so far are at User:Politizer/Newdyksuggestion; you can see an example of what it generates here.

The good news: it only requires one template, not two (as the current setup does); and you just subst the whole thing; plus, as you can see, there's no messy markup in the edit window (which, back in the day, was the whole reason I had made two templates, to avoid having messy markup...now it looks like that's not a problem anymore); everything having to do with |expander= has been removed; and it doesn't show all the empty fields, as the current setup does.

The bad news is pretty obvious: I haven't yet figured out a way to comment out the credit templates. What happens is, there is a ton of markup around the templates (to do stuff like not produce {{DYKnom}} if there isn't a nominator or if the nominator is the same as the creator/expander, not produce templates for articles that aren't in the nomination, etc.)... Normally this isn't a problem because all the markup disappears during the subst'ing (as you can see in the example I gave above), because all the places that say {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#if: basically tell all the markup to disappear when you subst it. But when I try to comment out the whole section of credit templates, it also comments out all of that stuff, and therefore there's nothing telling the markup to disappear. You can see the result here ... not a pretty picture at all. It seems like what I need is some way to not put the <!-- in until after the rest of the markup has been executed...but I don't know of any way to do that. I might have to enlist some help before I can make any more progress. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I got the credits part working, so that now the credits don't show up in the main window, but the code for them is available in the edit window, as you asked. Here is how it looks in the main window. Here is how it looks in the edit window.

By the way, I've started a thread at WT:DYK#Working on a better nomination template about this, seeking more feedback on what people want. I haven't really gotten any input yet. But if this template now is what people want, then I think it's pretty much ready; everything works. (If it's not what people want—ie, if people think it's too messy, or not versatile enough, then that's another story.) The next step, if this is what we want to use, is to start figuring out how to implement the switch-over from the current system to this (I assume it would have to involve lots of big, prominent messages/instructions, and stuff in the edit notice). Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK queue listings

I've removed the queues from T:TDYK, and updated the relevant part of "Where's my hook?" so it points to Template:Did you know/Queue rather than the bottom of T:TDYK. Would it be possible to transclude the queues in Template:Did you know/Queue, to make it easy to view all five queues rather than having to click all three? I think you could do that by replacing the following code at Template:Did you know/Queue:

*[[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue 1]]
*[[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]
*[[Template:Did you know/Queue/3|Queue 3]]
*[[Template:Did you know/Queue/4|Queue 4]]
*[[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]]

with:

<noinclude>
__NOTOC__
====Queue 1====
{{T:DYK/Q1}}

====Queue 2====
{{T:DYK/Q2}}

====Queue 3====
{{T:DYK/Q3}}

====Queue 4====
{{T:DYK/Q4}}

====Queue 5====
{{T:DYK/Q5}}

====Next update====
{{T:DYK/N}}

====Next next update====
{{Template:Did you know/Next next update}}
</noinclude>

(The <noinclude> tags may not be necessary, but I'm not sure if that template is being transcluded somewhere, used by the bot for something, or whatever, so I figured I should be safe.) Anyway, I just can't do it myself since the page is protected. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

More template stuff

Hey Gatoclass, I just wanted you to know, in the off chance that the DYK community decides not to implement the new template (the one that just creates the hook and credits, without all the empty fields), I have also been working on the side on trying to get the current template to only show fields that actually get filled in. I'm slowly getting it there...right now I've gotten it to "work" finally, in that it only shows the fields that are filled in and the code still works, but it messes up the spacing/lines (which pretty much defeats the purpose of the templates, which was to present the hook and contributors neatly so they would be easy to grab for next); here is what it looks like. If I can get that issue cleared up, then we can probably choose between using the new template, or the old one (updated so that it doesn't take up as much space). Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination template

As suggested by \ /, I have updated the template ({{NewDYKnom}}) with a |rollover= parameter, to specify the alt-text for an image. Right now, if the person calls the template with an image but without writing alt-text, the alt-text defaults to <!--Insert rollover text here.--> (sort of like how Next has <!--ROLLOVER TEXT GOES HERE.-->). It would also be possible for me to make the alt-text default to the article title (ie, if you nominate Example with an image File:Stuff.png and don't specify alt-text, the alt-text would be "Example"), but I'm not sure if that would be useful—since some noms have multiple articles, or sometimes the picture and the article aren't the same (such as when the article is a country and the picture is a picture of the flag)...any thoughts? Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

That sounds fine with me. The |rollover= thing is something a few people have been asking me to do for a while, and for most of that time I didn't do it (i just said "adding alt-text is the responsibility of the person promoting the hook to Next"), but I decided to put this in now because it's easy...it's not mandatory for people to use, and we don't even have to include it in the main instructions (on the editnotice or whatever) if it will get too confusing...but I figured now at least it's there for the people who want it, and for those who don't care they don't have to worry about it (and it'll leave the message there to hopefully get people's attention that they need to add the text manually...I remember a couple months ago 7xxxxxx mentioning that there was a problem with people putting DYK images on the main page without rollover text). Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm...well, since it's the template that inserts [[File:{{{image}}}|right|100x100px|{{{rollover}}}]] when a person wants to put an image in, there's no way to add the rollover text manually (other than re-editing the section after you make the nomination). We could require the user to type out the whole image string (right now they just need to type "Example.png" or whatever, and the template puts in the rest of the stuff above), but I feel like stuff like that would defeat the purpose of having a template.

I guess I could make it prominent, in the instructions, that when you put something in |image= then you should also put something in |rollover=... that would add instruction creep, but take away the problem of people not specifying rollover text (assuming they read the instructions...there are some users who don't, such as one with whom I have left numerous friendly messages explaining how to use the current template and he still does it wrong). We could even go as far as making it produce some sort of ugly error (like You forgot to specify the rollover text, bro!) to force people to use |rollover= but personally I think that's less elegant than just inserting the quiet <!--Insert rollover text here--> when they don't use it, and counting on the promoter or some later editor to add it manually. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops...I just realized I misunderstood your previous message. Anyway, yes, there will always be a |rollover= field for people to use, and hopefully it will encourage them to start doing that...the default only happens when people don't put anything in that field. I think it's probably best to just leave the default at <!--Insert rollover text here-->. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Bad apples.

I agree that administrators should not be allowed to break their own rules. Spotfixer (talk) 04:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Griffin v. California

Hi,

I noticed you removed my self-nom Griffin v. California from the DYK candidates page. Could you explain why? I'm not familiar with the procedures. Thanks - Tempshill (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks! Tempshill (talk) 03:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK hook

Can you please change ... that because of differences in the demands for a separate nation called Dravida Nadu, India's DKM party split in 1962 and a short-lived Tamil National Party was formed? to ... that because of differences in the demands for a separate nation called Dravida Nadu, India's DMK party split in 1962 and a short-lived Tamil National Party was formed? Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 23:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry forgot to mention. I can't change the hook since it is in the queue. Cheers Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 23:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Wasn't sure what am allowed and what am not. Sorry for the trouble. Mea Culpa. Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 12:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Prima locomotives

Another user has told me that they are tagging an article as disputed on your behalfTalk:Alstom_Prima_diesel_locomotives - if you have any issues with the article please mention it on the talk page and I will try to sort it out. I believe the issue is one of a reference not matching or not actually supporting the text or something.?

Sorry for bothering you.Carrolljon (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Hi, I seem to have only received one credit for the double DYK that I now have on the main page (... that Alexander Ross was Engineer-in-Chief of the Breydon Viaduct?). I know it is a bot that awards the credits now and it seems to have missed the second one (for the viaduct) somehow. I wondered if you could just award one to me manually (as the bot awarded them in your name). I am not too bothered about it but it is nice to keep a record of these things! Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 00:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou, much appreciated - Dumelow (talk) 10:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Fielding

I wanted to get your opinion on this. The first two , Love in Several Masques and The Temple Beau are almost complete. They contain the bulk information minus leads (leads and summaries will be written together). However, it will give you a sense of the size of the body of the articles. I still have three more sources to add, and I am not doing full plot summaries (five act plays, 40 pages each, probably a project best saved for a later date and a larger consensus so that it wont get too in depth). How do those appear in terms of size concerns? I would like a sense so I can plot how much more time I will be devoting to the bulk (so I can tell the other two I am working with so we can deal with grammar, formatting, linking, leads and summaries, etc). Ottava Rima (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to note (I've been trying to connect all night and lost a few attempts) that I want your opinion because I don't want to throw together something just slop dashed but create something worth while. No other free sites offer this collection of information on Fielding's plays, and the work requires a lot of dedication and research that limits there from being any free versions (the cost of the complete 3 vol set of plays is now 600+ each, unfortunately). I want to make something that is well done for when they are displayed. Also, I kept some of the plot summaries short, but I can easily expand if there were any that stood out as too short. Also, I will put it up on the DYK talk page after I am done for the whole community to weigh in. I basically wanted to get your advice now to see how I am progressing because you've always had a good eye for this kind of thing. Ottava Rima (talk) 06:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I thought my hard efforts were going to be wasted, lol, I nearly cried when I was asked to format all those references too (I'm rather new to the whole DYK thing). Best. — R² 05:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

2009 Southeastern Australia heat wave

It is really getting hot down there, according to the news. I hope you are doing well. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Date formatting

While you were consulting wp:mosnum, you apparently missed the previous sentence, "with respect to British date formats as opposed to American it would be acceptable to change from American format to British if the article concerned a British subject". I take that to be an example of a substantial reason, and that it means that the converse is also true: it would be acceptable to change from British format to American if the article concerned a ship built in the US by Americans, owned and operated by the US Navy, and manned by Americans. By the way, the original edit of February 2008 contained both formats. Your reversion has restored the typo, so for many readers it is not an improvement. Happy editing! Chris the speller (talk) 16:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Cont from RfC on Arbcon enforcement

I hope you don't mind, but I wonder if we could carry on our discussion from there a little longer because your information has been most empirical and I don't know if my questions are appropriate there. To take your advice a little further, since there has been a POV template on the article almost since day 1. For certain issues, there has been no consensus and one "side" has simply given up the argument, or occasionally a new editor comes in and brings it up again, but it is/was consistently reverted back to the original (non-compliant, from my POV) edit. Some editors have taken the article off their watchlists because it is so frustrating. We have had a couple of RfC's and the consensus of non-involved editors seems to fall on my side, but it is not accepted or understood. For example, images... one side wants to put up lots of pictures of carnage, since a lot of carnage was involved. We say that putting up a lot of carnage reflects an POV against the other side. There was even one photo supposedly of a baby burned almost beyond recognition which came from a partisan site (which some editors did not think relevant) and the title explained that the baby was burned and run over by a tank. Fortunately, there was such obvious non-consensus that that picture did not make it on the page. But those who wanted such pictures simply put up other pictures (not quite as gruesome) demanding that to take them off was to violate wp:censor. In fact, they added "galleries" of pictures to the article, evocative photos. They seemed to feel that such photos were appropriate since one side was suffering disproportionately. My thinking was that since there was no consensus to put them in, that I would take them out and ask them to discuss on the talk page. I began to realise that there was plenty of talk and no consensus, and my last (reverting) edit summary was that I thought we should go to arbitration, when one of the other editors took me to arb-com enforcement for edit-warring. Honestly I didn't know, even when I said that, how to go about going to arbitration. I guess I should have said content mediation? In fact I tried to use the template for mediation at one time but I didn't know what the devil I was doing and nothing really came of it. That's one reason why I think that admins should help guide the parties through mediation and such rather than simply apply discretionary sanctions. Otherwise whay you have is that whichever side is cleverer about the politics of it all will be the one whose material (good...bad...false...whatever) will be left in the article. If the admin who hears the case isn't scrupulous, they will be a tool of the side that is most clever but not necessarily the most neutral. In fact, in I/P area, there is no question that there is a PR battle going on, and when an admin imposes discretionary sanctions against an editor he is in fact putting his weight on one side, intentional or not. I admit I am passionate about Israel getting a fair hearing, but I honestly feel I am not "warring", I think both sides should be heard. I would appreciate any thoughts you might have to guide me. I realise that time is precious so if you don't have time for this discussion just say so and I will understand. Thank you very much. Tundrabuggy (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Gato, I just wanted to comment that I appreciated your comment regarding the pictures on Arbcon enforcement. A new user has shown up making the same points again [1] and the same editors using the same arguments and the only thing that happens is that everyone gets pissed off. (This even lead to a recent sockpuppet investigation of the new user and me -done & dismissed-, since the new user also tried to remove the photos!) I think the issue needs to be taken up (in a general way as you suggested) in some kind of arbitration or at the very least an RfC. The only problem with the RfC is that we had one over the burned baby picture, and it became clear that it would require an RfC over each and every picture that anyone might want to include. Thus the article needs guidelines. Any chance that I could ask you to point me in some direction? If I have to file something I would need some kind of template... I appreciate any help. Tundrabuggy (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK template handover

It looks like you have some bigger stuff to worry about now, but just so you know, I have contacted the most active DYK vetters about the new template and solicited their input, and have made a couple minor changes to it (I added a |status= parameter so people can specify if the article is new or expanded, since some vetters seem to like having that clear...I'm hoping that can be a compromise between what they asked for and what you asked for, even if it does add another layer of complexity to the template; also, as you asked back in December, I added a note in it that says "Please check to make sure these credits are correct" when there's more than one article in the hook). Most of the comments are in this thread and this thread.

As far as I can tell, everything is ready to make the switch on T:TDYK. I've tried to throw together a sample of a new T:TDYK edit notice, which we could put up temporarily (by replacing the contents of MediaWiki:Editnotice-11-Did you know with the contents of this) to hopefully ease the transition; the sample edit notice is at Template:NewDYKnomination/neweditnotice. Other than that, we would just decide how to best go about implementing it. I assume the easiest would just be to change the instructions, send a note to the regulars, and hope people start using the new one...and then wait two weeks or so for most of the {{DYKsuggestion}}s to be off the page; once all the old templates are off the page we could redirect them to the new ones (or, if the new template turns out to be unpopular during that period, we could always go back). Just let me know what you think, and when you would like to start switching over. It will be important, I think, to do the switch-over during a time when I am pretty available to help, since I am familiar with the template's code and can address problems when they [inevitably] come up; I'm afraid my code is not the most transparent (and since the whole template is subst'ed, I couldn't add comments or formatting to make the code easier to read), and if an urgent problem came up with the template and someone else tried to fix it they would probably have to spend an hour or two just figuring out what's going on in it, whereas I would probably be able to deal with it relatively quickly. Of course, in the long-term it's not desirable to have a template that only I know how to maintain, but I think with time other people will get familiar with it; it's just during the first couple weeks, when stuff is more likely to go wrong, that I will have to be on hand to address problems quickly.

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Okay, I'll allow you to judge for yourself.

After your responses in AN/I regarding Chrislk02's block of ThuranX, you noted that I am in the habit of " making dubious claims of misconduct against other users", despite the fact that I had not intended to file any report against ThuranX. You seem to be of the opinion that ThuranX is the victim. Very well. Perhaps you could offer me your opinion of the discussion here. Your defense of him has clearly emboldened him in such a way that he feels no need to even attempt to remain civil. Every post is a personal attack. I have not responded in kind, have not attacked ThuranX, and have not reported him. Frankly, I don't really know what to do, since you seem convinced I am the instigator here.
I'd advise against simply offering him a warning: that didn't seem to go over too well for the last fellow who did that. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Respectfully, when you suggested I was "reverting and prevaricating on talk pages", were you actually suggesting that I was lying in my posts? Because, my understanding of "prevaricate" is "to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie."¹ If so, I would be interested in knowing where I have been lying anywhere here. As well, I'd like to know where I've been reverting; the last time I reverted the Dendermonde info back into the article was well before Chrisld02 filed his ANI for input.

Additionally, I noticed that you didn't address the appropriateness of the posts being made by ThuranX. Tell me, do you find them at all polite? Would you be content to be treated like that? If you think that his method of posting is okey-doke, say the word. I don't care if he feels I am the antichrist, he doesn't get to to talk to me - or any other editor - like that.

Lastly, you asked what the big deal was about listing the info in the Joker article. At first, it just seemed like a few editors trying to keep the comic book world separate from the real one; sad and pathetic, but understandable. Later, it became apparent that the real issue was one editor filtering the reliability of the RS sources. We do not evaluate the factualness of our articles. Verifiability, not truth is the litmus for inclusion. Were you to conduct a Google News search for "Dendermonde" and "De Gelder" (the suspect's name), the top ten usable sources (excluding YouTube, blogs, etc) connects to the Joker term, and specifically Heath Ledger's portrayal of the character.

My problem - and I consider it a much larger issue than a paragraph in an article - is that one editor is misrepresenting the sources to say something they quite simply do not say. We are supposed to remain objectively neutral, not allowing our personal feelings to guide the use of sources. That's called POV editing. ThuranX is reinterpreting the data and presenting it as fact. We don't do that here. We ban people for less. So, yeah - I consider it kind of a big deal. Do we get to use our personal preference to cherry-pick our sources?

I am posting to address the consensus, seeking a new one. ThuranX has managed to post every single time I do - all of this after he has sworn to un-watch the article/cross the street to avoid me/etc., and his abrasive (do I even need to point out how beyond the pale he has gone where civility is concerned?) stifles all other commentary. I am guessing other folks don't want to deal with the dramahz of interacting/disagreeing with ThuranX. If you think that seems unfair, consider that no one else has responded. And the article has pretty high traffic, both viewing and editing. That has pretty much stopped, since ThuranX began screaming. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 05:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I am glad that you weren't calling me a liar. I don't argue for arguments' sake, as contentious² would seem to imply; rather I think I tend to be firm in my beliefs, as tenacious³ seems to describe, but I guess a lot of that depends on what side of the argument you are on.

As to your arguments, I am not wholly convinced that the later source refusing to discuss the Joker-esque aspect is equivalent to a refutation of the earlier statements, but I find your argument the most convincing thus far. I will withhold comment on the subject for now.

Lastly, what about the gross incivility on the part of the other editor - that which originally prompted my post to you? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 13:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

At the risk of swatting a deceased equine, it would not have been too late had you addressed the situation when I first brought it to your attention two days ago. When his ugly behavior resumes - which it will, as you have essentially endorsed it via focusing on the less-important facets of the problem first - are you going to be a bit more even-handed this time? Respectfully, you've been on about me for some time, and never seem to consider that I often stand my ground with these unpleasant sort of fellows, and your sole focus appears to be on how I (apparently using magic, telepathy and grammar) made them that way. I'd ask you to perhaps revise your criteria. I am not the bad guy here. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Email

I sent you an email.

Annunciation Melkite Catholic Cathedral

Hey Gato. Thanks for looking at Annunciation Melkite Catholic Cathedral -- you're right, that hook was edited out of the article by another editor and doesn't express anything special anyway. I've left comments and ALT hooks at the DYK discussion. If you have an opportunity to appraise them, or even help hammer them into something usable if still not up to par, I'd be greatly appreciative. BTW, congrats on the 100 DYK medal. When I got mine it made me realize how far off the 200 DYK medal seems! --Boston (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK and evolution-related hook

Hi! You recently added the hook for Vitamin C and the Common Cold to an upcoming DYK queue. I was hoping it could be saved to run on February 12 (Darwin Day).--ragesoss (talk) 16:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Sorry for the trouble.--ragesoss (talk) 17:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The Dell (Thurrock)

Thanks for your comments on this proposed DYK. Do you think the article itself needs re-writing to avoid copyright issues, or were you just concerned about its status for DYK? Rjm at sleepers (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Request for opinion

If its appropriate to request this and you have time, would you please check out comments made at Talk:Python_reticulatus#Debate_regarding_length_claims_made_by_various_zoos and Talk:Python_reticulatus#Verifiability. It is my position that I've endured days of personal attacks and incivility from User:Mokele and User:Jwinius.

• User:Mokele has told me "Cry me a river. I see absolutely no reason to listen to a mere amateur. Come back when you have a graduate degree in herpetology. Until then, stop wasting our time" and represents his editorial standpoints as "I don't give a crap if the news articles meet some overly-vague WP rule...we should stick to peer-reviewed scientific journal sources ONLY" and has referred to my good faith edits as "unencyclopedic crap" (all comments at [2]).
• User:Jwinius has informed me that I am "silly", [3], "petulant" , "irritable", "thin-skinned", [4] etc.

I've lost count of how many times I've encouraged courtesy in these users. Perhaps encouragement of good behavior coming from someone other than myself and User:Cygnis insignis might have effect. User:Cygnis insignis's comments on our discussion begin as follows “I've waded through the incivility, bold assumptions, uncited assertions, expletives and other obstruction to this good faith contribution. However this is not the place for identifying this obnoxious pattern of behavior...” (see hidden comments at [http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Talk:Python_reticulatus&action=edit&section=17) Ultimately, this dispute is about a claim made by User:Mokele and User:Jwinius to allow certain content at Python_reticulatus#Captivity that they deem unencyclopedic. Thanks for considering my comments. --Boston (talk) 06:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Here Comes Goodbye

Hey, you're at DYK a lot so I figured I'd ask you. Do you think the hook under 2/9 for Here Comes Goodbye is an ad? An IP brought up that concern and a couple users and I disagree with it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• "I'm not too concerned, especially since the article itself hardly gives a flattering appraisal of the song." I lol'd. That's Rascal Flatts for you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK request

Would you consider moving my hook on Steve Addington from Queue 5 earlier to Queue 2? I had requested that the article run before the Daytona 500, which will start in just over 5 hours. Putting it in Queue 2 would time it out perfectly. Thanks! Royalbroil 13:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I was hoping that this hook might be able to have a minor timeliness adjustment. Royalbroil 13:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK.

Hey Gatoclass, at Template:Did you know/Queue/5 (at time of writing), could you add "a year earlier" to the end of the Rinku Singh hook, and change "professional baseball" to "Major League Baseball". I think it helps with the clarity and makes it a bit more interesting. Thanks, Grsz¹¹ 14:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion of the American Civil War

Thanks for pointing that out concerning if Australia was a country of Confederate sympathizers. I have the book in front of me and answered on Bedford's Talk Page of page 85 where I obtained the information from the author Baldwin, Last Flag Down. If you have any other concerns, please bring them up as I have the books available and can look into it further. In The Civil War: Strange & Fascinating Facts, the American Civil War historian Burke Davis says on page 213, "With little stretch of the imagination, the boarding of the raider by admiring British officers may be considered the end of our Civil War," which should satisify the hook.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I changed mine to read: While at Melbourne, Australia, Captain Waddell obtained additional men and supplies. That leaves out which side Australia (as a whole) favored. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Bedford changed his article to read: Accounts disagree if Australians favored the Union or the Confederacy. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Just a Note: User:Xn4 made some GREAT improvements to the article. He corrected my grammer and spelling and generally made the article look real nice.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for 1848 Marlborough earthquake

Thanks for sorting out that alternative hook Gatoclass, I tried lots off different versions in an attempt to fit inside the 200 character limit, but none that read as well as yours. Cheers, Mikenorton (talk) 15:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom for Parc naturel régional d'Armorique

User:Mbz1 requested that the DYK for Parc naturel régional d'Armorique be run in an image slot, since the image is very important to the article. Is there anything gthat can be done about that? Rlendog (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

May I please ask for your help?

Hello, Gatoclass. May I please ask for your help? Could you please move DYK Parc naturel régional d'Armorique from queue number 4 to any later queue at your choice and use this image File:Mont Saint-Michel de Brasparts1.jpg that was in my original nomination with it? Thank you very much for your time and your help.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the response. It is not mine picture I asked for.The image was taken by Herby and that's why I asked you to feature it. I would have never asked for my own image. As a matter of fact I am not looking for any credit for the article at all, but featuring the image is very, very important for me. If you were able to help, it will be great! Thank you for your time.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I e-mailed you and I am sorry I bother you. As I said I would have never done anything like this for my own image, and please do take me off from the credit of the article. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

This image in queue number 4 is a very low resolution image from Flickr. Nobody will be upset, if it will be replaced I guess. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, this is last the thing I have to add for the matter. The image that is in queue number 4 should have been uploaded to Commons. Please see here: [[5]]. I do not think it could be used at the main page. Gatoclass, thank you again for your time, and your patience with me.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

What to do??

Hi please, can you inform what should i do in response to the message you left on my talk page Maen. K. A. (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank You Maen. K. A. (talk) 11:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:The Detroit Wheels.jpg)

Thanks for uploading File:The Detroit Wheels.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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• I was under the impression that album covers can only be used to identify the albums, and can't be used to identify the disbanded band on them (which is why I used a promo image for McBride & the Ride). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 06:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Want me to tag the image for G7 since it's orphaned again? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 16:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Current update

Well, the MP balance is not quite right and I thought it was a shame that the second hook occupies three lines when it will only occupy two if it goes down a bit. But that's fine, I will leave it alone and try to ignore the imbalance. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:The Detroit Wheels.jpg)

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Thanks for uploading Image:The Detroit Wheels.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Album Covers

You are right. Album covers are allowed on artist pages. I have replaced the image in The Detroit Wheels article, and the FUR clearly states that the cover is used for the "Artist". Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The next step

Do you think the world is ready for {{NewDYKnom}}? Hassocks and I have used it to post some noms, and I haven't seen any problems; also, I've noticed the load times at T:TDYK are a bit slow again (probably because there are so many noms sitting there), so I'm getting eager to have a template that doesn't generate so much junk. Also, over the past couple days I made some tweaks so that |author= parameter now also works with |writer=, |creator=, and |expander= (the last two are for when people forget that things are a bit different and accidentally use the old parameter names—I myself have done that a couple times), so now you don't get errors when people use one of those. As far as I can tell, everything is working.

I imagine the only thing left to be done, really, is to update the instructions and the edit notice, so people know to use the new one. I left a message about that at WT:DYK#Who wants a new nomination template? a little while back. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'm online now and should probably be around for the next hour or so, if you want to do it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

That looks good; I also updated the sample at T:TDYK. Now I guess we just need to sit back and hope people notice. I might send a message out to regulars sometime today. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi Gatoclass - I have a problem I was hoping you could help me with. I've just written British Indian passport, but there is a lot of info that comes directly from the original passport book I possess. Can the passport itself, officially issued by the government of British India, be considered a WP:RS? Shiva (Visnu) 20:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

(unsolicited comment) I imagine it should be fine for the Physical Description section (the scans you've uploaded also help); is that the only place where you plan on using it as a ref? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes I basically want to know if its a reliable source for this article, but obviously I'd also like to know how and where else can it be accepted as a reliable source. Shiva (Visnu) 21:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi - thank you for replying and your advice. At the very least, I want to use the passport as a reference for the physical description section, especially as there is very little in alternative available. As to "lesser class of citizen," I wrote that in reference to the status of a British subject which Indians had. While other Commonwealth nations created citizenships, Indians could not until independence. Until then, Indians didn't have any rights or freedoms that "citizens" usually enjoy. There is also the negative stigma of being a colonial subject in your own land as derived from the source. Shiva (Visnu) 05:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I will briefly summarize that unlike Britons, Indians could not choose their own government and were ruled by Britons, but I don't think its necessary to go into detail about the nature of British Raj and the freedom struggle. Thanks for the warning on the passport picture, but the passport bearer was not known to me and there is no personal info involved/shown at all so its ok. Shiva (Visnu) 20:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

John K. Tener Oops!

I saw that John K. Tener made it into the queue. Looks like when I did the nom I left out the word 'of' and it should read "explained the game of baseball". Can I tidy that up or is it admin stuff? Thanks. TastyPoutine ^{talk (if you dare)} 16:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Gatoclass. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships.
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-MBK₀₀₄ 03:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Gatoclass == yes, please can you start a sandbox for me? can you look at Charles E Moore link you set up for me and tell me if I'M on the right track with my CEM page? Thanks

Gatoclass: also re: Joshua Hendy iron works can u do a redirect from "Hendy Iron Works" as search critieria? It more known as that... thxs again.--charles moore (talk) 15:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass:--charles moore (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Is Charles E Moore site ready in your opinion... close enough to put it 'up'? Then others can work on it as well.... I know the Curator of Iron Man Museum wants to work on it.... please advise what is needed next.. BTW thanks for all your help..... each time i log in something gets done 'magically'.. thanks

Per your guidance , I'll wait on CEM page and will work on references to first paragraph.../. again Thxs for your help.....--charles moore (talk) 15:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC) I added more references (talked to Donald Wolf awhile ago) so now I am calling family to provide proper references for Para 1......... Happy Day!!!--charles moore (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass:Ok.. I took another run at The Start... see what you think... better or worse? --charles moore (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass: I altered "The Six Companies" page reference to include their WW2 ownership in Joshua Hendy Iron Works, Sunnyvale, Ca --charles moore I hope it's all right.. if not just delete.. You might want to add a photo of EC-2 Engine there as well--charles moore (talk) 02:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Gatclass: I think I'm there on CEM page... let me know if you think it's a go or not--charles moore (talk) 02:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass; Thanks for your direction... I have one more reference to 'fix' with a book I have at home "The Earth Changers"... I'll do that tonight... otherwise do you think I'm ready to post? --charles moore (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass; No worries... I look forward to the 'clean up'... I think I've done what I need to do at this point... Thanks for your help.. This process has taught me alot..Thanks again BTW: I added external links to Six Companies site WW2... see if you like them... if not delete as you see fit...--charles moore (talk) 18:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: This can be addictive!!! --charles moore (talk) 19:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass: I'M Done on CEM sandbox.... it's now time for your magical scalpel...many, many Thanks--charles moore (talk) 02:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: Please look at Henry J Kaiser page.. I dont know what i did wrong but I messed it up (sorry..won't do that again) I tried to link it to Six companies... as well there is a video of the last liberty ship launched by Kaiser (external link to either on youtube or http://www.charlesmoore2.com/Default.aspx?g=mediaobject&moid=188 --charles moore (talk) 15:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass: If you think it's ready (CEM page) for main page then please do it... I am in com with Nuero re Truman photo.. I'd like the actual quote from Hendy magazine to be in samll print below it.. what do you think? BTW...thanks for fixing Kaiser--charles moore (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: THANKS... it looks great... in the Wikipedia search "Charles E Moore" does not bring his page up? Can you fix search criteria? --charles moore (talk) 16:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: I added CEM's birth/ death years.... I'm 'psyched' about the new page... thanks so much--charles moore (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass: Nuero gave OK to post Truman

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  Harry S.Truman visits Hendy President Moore in 1943

I tried in my S-Box but formatting is hard... can you post it in white space aside from Index? --charles moore (talk) 20:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Nuero post to me: "Saying "the original belongs to us" makes me think that your family probably retains the copyright, unless you explicitly released it to Hendy, I'd imagine it was and is still owned by your family. — neuro(talk) 16:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC) If you believe that you own the copyright, go ahead and release it under a license you are comfortable with, such as the GFDL, a CC one, or PD. — neuro(talk) 19:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Moorec4"--charles moore (talk) 20:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: publish Moore /Truman photo copyright GFDL Thanks as well can i do a photo gallery..would a photo of Hendy's 754 Engine be interesting? --[[User:--charles moore (talk) 19:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)Moorec4|charles moore]] (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: To be clear publish Truman photo copyright as GFDL-self--charles moore (talk) 19:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: IMO U have made substantial contributions to Charles E Moore page. I hope U dont mind my notation of that--charles moore (talk) 19:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC) User:Moorec4|charles moore]] (talk) 21:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)--charles moore (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Copyright added to photo--charles moore (talk) 07:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLi7wLgmMvk --charles moore (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: I noticed the photo of Truman/ Moore is no longer posted on Charles E Moore page. Do you know why? Thanks--charles moore (talk) 17:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC) Here's what I found as a paste from my contributions page: "Removed from the following pages: Charles E. Moore --OrphanBot (talk) 05:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)" what do you think?--charles moore (talk) 18:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass: Nuero is helping me .. so I dont want you to duplicate work.. thanks--charles moore (talk) 18:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass: I have been snooping in your sandboxes.. you are working on some good stuff... query: are you inclined (interested) in doing Tex Thornton profile... I believe I can get info from family to help with profile--charles moore (talk) 00:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC) Gatoclass; I understand.... I know you are one of "The Heavy Lifters (aka:do'ers)"--charles moore (talk) 00:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

New DYK update

The clock on the DYK page is a bright red now. Perhaps you could update it with the next queue? Thanks. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 10:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom

Hey Gato, sorry to bother you. I tried using the new article nom for my Feb. 20 Polkagris article a couple times yesterday and once just now in preview, and it seems weird. What's with the mini text, and the ummm format being different than I remember and then the other noms. Am I missing something? ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

As long as I'm not going crazy. Thanks for your help. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Help with editing a protected template

Hey Gatoclass, I'm trying to make a small fix to {{lang-ug3}}, which is fully protected. Would you be able to make the edit for me? I posted the updated code at Template talk:Lang-ug3. Thanks, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK bot

The DYKadminBot is still down, so I've begun programming a new bot. It will need an admin operator though. I don't want to clutter up your talk page, so I've made another page. Respond there, here, or on my talk page. I've sent a similar message to Dravecky. Shubinator (talk) 00:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Approving DYK hooks to queues

I noticed some "discussion" (more like whining) about the process of admins approving hooks from the next update to the queues. I'm wondering - how thorough would I, as the approving admin, need to be, considering there's WP:AGF. Certainly I need to read the hooks for grammar and inappropriate content. I don't need to make sure that they meet the criteria, right? Royalbroil 13:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! You have lots of good points. Royalbroil 13:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, better than a successful DYK or a barnstar or a 200DYK medal, is a reassuring note from someone you respect assuring you that you are doing the right thing. Thank you GC. I was trying to feel good about treating the matter with maturity, but I did feel the behaviour lacked integrity. Hopefully it was just someone having a bad day. I added this without a title as I wanted to continue Royalbroils theme of your good points and your good point about the DYK kerfuffle. Do continue to be a source of good sense and do ask if you need assistance. Victuallers (talk) 10:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK update

Don't forget to upload and protect the picture from the latest update. The "create a page" button is still there; I don't think the cascading protection prevents me from making a new file on En. Maybe we should make a Village pump proposal to that effect... Shubinator (talk) 17:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm skeptical of that. For example, I'm pretty sure I can edit the current DYK picture; the "Edit this page" link is there and everything. But this guide does say everything on the Main Page gets cascading protection. Ah well, if it's worked for months we should be fine. By the way, we might want to tag the queues with {{DYKbotdo}} so they'll be ready when Ameliorate's done debugging. Shubinator (talk) 05:57, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar

I really didn't know that I had created that many pages. Shouldn't I be more tired?? In looking at my record, I did notice that a fair number of my articles were redirects [i.e., USS Myship to USS Myship (FF-44)], but you're not getting the barnstar back!

Thanks again. Jinian (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit comment

Think your edit comment was uncalled for - I was just trying to fix the error I made Victuallers (talk) 19:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC) OK Peace! But sorry don't understand the adminbot count. At the moment I feel I'm not doing it right as I don't understand what the adminbot did (in detail). The page still says that the adminbot is working ... when it isnt. Shouldnt this be changed so that when it is we won't still try to do manual loads? I will also do the archive, but I see that has changed too. I'll cope but remember all these changes make it difficult for us who don't do as much as you and BQ etc. (thx again)Victuallers (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK editnotice

Hey Gatoclass, do you think the in-your-face edit notice about the new template has been up long enough? If so, and if you think just about everyone who needs to know about the change knows by now, we can probably remove the chunk from the beginning of MediaWiki:Editnotice-11-Did you know (the first three lines, or the first five lines in the edit window) to make the edit notice take up less space. I don't think anything else needs to be changed. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, that sounds fine to me. Thanks, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK

I would like to thank you for the DYK as I almost thought it wouldn't make it. Donnie Park (talk) 15:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK Error on Main Page

Double "in" in Overland Trail hook. My bad; I think I assembled that one. From WP:ERRORS. Shubinator (talk) 07:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 07:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Another possible mistake at Art LaPella's talk page. Shubinator (talk) 07:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again! G'night. Shubinator (talk) 07:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK images

We've got a slew of previous DYK images that haven't been deleted from En: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Also, these three pictures are previous Main Page Featured Article images. And these are previous On This Day images: 1, 2, 3, 4. Could you delete them? (You've always wanted to go trigger-happy!) Shubinator (talk) 17:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure, no rush. By then, there'll be at least one more, the current DYK image. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

elite force Dyk

I have submitted it for Dyk.It has been improved as requested by other editors.Now what should i do.Submitted on March 7.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Another boring admin task

I wrote up and tested some modified code for the userbox {{User Wikipedian For}}, which is currently protected so I can't edit it; I left a note at the talk page, but I don't think anyone is watching it. Basically, it's just a little tweak to make the userbox say something different if today is the anniversary of the user's first joining WP. The code is at User:Rjanag/Template:User Wikipedian For, and if you don't think there's anything wrong with it (ie, if it's not redundant with something else that already keeps track of Wikipedia anniversaries, or if it's not stupid or anything) then do you think you could paste it in to the actual template? (You should be able to just copy the whole page and paste over the entire {{User Wikipedian For}} page; the sample code in my userspace has everything there, including the documentation and stuff.) Thanks, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The documentation is at Template:User Wikipedian For/doc. It doesn't show up in my user subpage because there is no User:Rjanag/Template:User Wikipedian For/doc , but it will show up on the actual template when that is updated; the {{documentation}} template automatically finds a page with the same name and /doc at the end, and transcludes it. In the mock-up in my user space, you can see the documentation by replacing {{documentation}} at the bottom with {{documentation|Template:User Wikipedian For/doc}} ... but on the actual template page, the documentation will show up automatically. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Gatoclass. You have new messages at Backslash Forwardslash's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

{{POV}} edits

Hi,

The changes in question were originally proposed in December, and notifications were sent out to the usual places. Can you suggest where else this should be discussed? Twice it's been reverted with the assertion that it "wasn't discussed", but without any actual commentary on its content. There doesn't actually appear to have been any actual opposition to the new layout, at least not on the talk page. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah. I see you've responded here (I missed it because it's on a thread which isn't related to the styling discussion). You've asserted that you raised the "strongest possible opposition to this change" in that edit, but I don't see any other comments from you on that talk page. Did I miss a discussion elsewhere? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this edit.[6] Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Please retract this edit and restore to the consensus version. I see no reason why workding in place for over a week, and after a process of discussion can be summarily reverted. I would seem to me that your opposition lacks support. Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 08:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads up, thats less work so great. I wondered how it worked now and assumed hooks were being pulled. So eight it is ..... is that why we are getting some very wordy hooks (rhetoric question)? Victuallers (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Update time

It's that time again. From queue 1. I can do credits. Shubinator (talk) 15:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Done by Dravecky. Shubinator (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

T:DYK/N editnotice

Hey Gatoclass. I was wondering if you could change the edit notice for the next update page. Ottava pointed it out not long ago, but it does seem pretty archaic given the new system to have Admins! Yes You!. ∗ \ / (⁂) 01:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. found it. MediaWiki:Editnotice-10-Did you know. ∗ \ / (⁂) 08:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you do the next update, starting now? I've done SOOOO many lately, and I need to leave for church soon. Church is good for the soul (wink). Royalbroil 12:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Even if you just do the admin part, someone else might be able to do the crediting. I did 5 straight updates. One of them happened to fall right before I went to bed and another right after I woke up just over 6 hours later. I know you know what that's like. I'm outta here! Royalbroil 13:06, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) It would be useful to update MediaWiki:Editnotice-10-Did you know with a small notice pointing out where that editnotice is, so we don't have to go searching next time it needs to be changed. I guess just something like

<small>Notice generated from [[MediaWiki:Editnotice-10-Did you know]]</small>

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done Gatoclass (talk) 23:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

invitation

You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject Historic Sites ! :) doncram (talk) 05:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help with the Alligator article. :-) FloNight♥♥♥ 22:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The next update

If you're up and around, could you please catch the next DYK update in about 25 minutes from now? It's 6:24am here and I've spent far more time awake than alseep last night and I fear I won't be able to keep my eyes open long enough to do the update. Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 11:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

ahhh

Its not just me going potty then :-) I wasnt having a go at anyone, just making a point for others who approve that we need to prevent new arrivals adding 100 characters to a 1401 character quote and calling it an article. Obviously I know you know this. Victuallers (talk) 13:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Errors in the queues

Mostly DABs:

• queue 1 - endemic, second hook from the bottom
• queue 2 - Gothic, Dadabhai Naoroji Road hook
• queue 3 - stray "example" credits - not really an error, but while you're at it...
• queue 5 - Canadian, Cara Duff-MacCormick hook

I've been fiddling with finding disambiguation links by automation, and I found it! There's already a DAB finder tool at User:Splarka/dabfinder.js. And if you don't want to install it, replace the URL with the code below when you're on a specific page (say, T:DYK/Q), hit enter, then click on the "Find disambiguations" link in your toolbox (it'll appear once you enter the url).

javascript:importScript('User:Splarka/dabfinder.js'); findDABs();

Test it out before you clear the disambigs, it's pretty spiffy. Shubinator (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm busy right now, I only have time to fix the dabs. Testing of the spiffy java script will have to wait for another time :) Gatoclass (talk) 06:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Haha, sure. Thanks! Btw, if you do the update now, I can do credits. Shubinator (talk) 06:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, the update is done, you can do the credits now if you like :) I'll do the rest. Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

And done. Thank you! Shubinator (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

How odd...the cascading protection is either down, or does not take effect instantaneously. I did a test edit to see if it would really let me change the page, and it does... Shubinator (talk) 06:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The cascading protection for the ITN image works fine. Maybe there's just a delay? Shubinator (talk) 06:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I protected it just in case. Gatoclass (talk) 07:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The next group had the same problem. I'm going to pursuit it in a wider forum after I'm done with the crediting, but I'm leaving for church in a half hour and I shouldn't be on Wiki for around 12 hours. You can keep on top of it if you happen to be around. Royalbroil 12:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Charles E. Moore (98/3)

On 22 March, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles E. Moore, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for all that you do! Royalbroil 12:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Gatoclass: how can i ever thank you enough for all you do? You're certainly this best 'phantom' I've ever not known!!! I've sent a link to DYK to The Moore Clan .... thanks again--charles moore (talk) 15:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Australian Made

Hey there. Got credit for a DYK for Australian Made, but I never submitted such a DYK! I think perhaps someone is missing a reward!

Thnx for the pickup. Dan arndt (talk) 00:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Ditto, I apreciate both your work and Skinny87's on redirecting the DYK credit.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution Process

Hello, Gatoclass. I've noticed that you have taken a step in the Dispute Resolution Process by posting in WQA. Please note that it is recommended that you advise the other party of your complaint filing so that they are aware of it, and so that they have a chance to respond.

If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 09:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Update due

From queue 3. I can do credits. Shubinator (talk) 05:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops, meant to start that 15 minutes ago! Hang on, I'll do it now... Gatoclass (talk) 05:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

And this time you beat me by a minute or two. Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 05:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Only because I got a nudge :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Credits done. Thank you! Shubinator (talk) 05:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Update needed from queue 2. I can do credits as usual. Shubinator (talk) 03:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I've finished the credits, so 2 can be cleared. Also, queue 6 from the morning should be cleared (well, morning my time...). Shubinator (talk) 03:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, maybe we should pipe the Walter Scott of Branxholme and Buccleuch hook to include the Sir? Otherwise it looks odd how it's bolded and not linked. We could also debold the Sir. Shubinator (talk) 03:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

All done, thanks for your help :) Gatoclass (talk) 03:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! Shubinator (talk) 03:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Pic for a DYK queue

My new favorite person in the whole world, Ealdgyth, just uploaded a picture for use with WHOW and WEZC. I've added the pic to both articles and I went to add it to the nomination only to find that the hook had already been promoted! (It's currently at Next Next Update.) Personally, I think this nifty slice of Americana is a more interesting picture than a gray fungus but since my conflict of interest is pretty massive here, I thought I'd ask for your opinion and, if you felt it proper, to use the "big red barn" picture for that queue. Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 20:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I can't really do that because people will accuse me of favouritism. What I've done is move it back to Suggestions, together with the pic, so that it can be independently assessed on its own merits. Gatoclass (talk) 23:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

That's probably the best course of action. Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

WQA issue

Hi, regarding the issue you recently brought up at WP:WQA, I just thought I would suggest a WP:RFC first, before a request for mediation. The RFC would get more eyes on the situation, yet is a little less "serious" seeming then mediation. Just a thought, good luck. The Seeker 4 Talk 02:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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