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Battaros

I have merged the content you added into the article Cluttering as I believed that the imformation was more useful there. The article has been redirected to there. Hope this is OK, but merging and redirects are a useful way to allow people to search the site and find connected information all in one place. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions (just click on humbug and edit my talk page to leave a message). Cheers --Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Lifespring

Thank you for contributing to the article Lifespring. However, if you cannot cite a more reliable source that the Web site "Awareness page", unfortunately the material you inserted into the article will have to be removed. Smee 06:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

• I responded to your comment in the article talk page. I agree with your position here, however, please, next time use more polite language on the talk page. Smee 06:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC).
  • But if you do know of any other sources for these "Spinoff" groups, it would be greatly appreciated. Smee 19:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

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Please remember the following guideline: Wikipedia:Not a real encyclopedia Fredsmith2 21:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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501(c) edit

Hi Fred. You're right. I shouldn't have marked that as minor (nor the one before it come to that. I'll try and be a little more conscious of when I'm checking that box in the future. -- SiobhanHansa 00:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Omaha Children's Museum

Hi Fred. I'm curious why you added "a private foundation" to the Omaha Children's Museum article. Do you have insider knowledge, or is there a citation that supports this assertion? I cannot find anything online, including the official IRS database, that indicates their nonprofit status. The only wording on their website is ambiguous. Thoughts? – Freechild (¡!¡!¡!¡) 23:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, I see you share my interest in helping the nonprofit articles! Let me know if I can assist in any way... – Freechild (¡!¡!¡!¡) 23:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

Hey Fred: Please excuse me--as I am a TOTAL Wiki newbie. Yes, I have read everything that my poor brain can hold, and realized very quickly that there is WAY more that I still need to learn. If this is NOT the place that I am talk to you about the review that you just did on the bio that I am working on for Joseph J. Dewey, then I would like to be told where, when and how I maintain a dialogue with you as I sincerely would like to get it right. By the way, I appreciate your edits, and was a bit surprised because I was uploading an image and when I returned to the page, I was advised that edits had been done while I was doing edit!? No problem as I REALLY appreciate you taking the time to give me your input and feedback. I have not yet set up a user's page, and I guess this is as good a reason to as anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithgiant (talk • contribs) 04:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Greetings #2

Hey Fred...I just read what you responded with me...and now I better understand..and even accept why it is that you made the changes to Dewey's (grin) name. And you are correct, this who Wiki thing is VERY foreign (new) to me, and need ALL the help I can get.

I also understand about Wiki's definition of fact being something that is published by a known, or respected third party publication.

The problem that I have is that little or nothing is known about this person--in fact he is about as obscure as anyone can get, yet he has one of the most fascinating life story that I have come across.

So, does this mean that just because someone doesn't have something published about them in some third party publication, that they are not deserving (more towards being encyclopedic material) of a bio here at Wiki?

Also, what makes me also wonder (towards being confused) about it all--is that from what I have been able to discover, is that the information that was there had been there for maybe 4-5 years--and both of these postings were nothing more than a bunch of misrepresentations, inaccuracies, and ALL the links were bad, etc., etc., and yet no one says anything until it gets corrected--and I get mentored--tagged, flagged, etc., indicating that it is I that is not complying with established policies?

I know there's a fine line in some of this, and again, I wonder (towards being interested in understanding) how it is that I can avoid problems; i.e., coming to understand the criteria better or more clearly--but towards lessons as YOU have given me; i.e., using the moniker Dewey versus Joseph (I just chose this as this is/was his given name--and is a more formal version than what he is referred to by his friends, family and students). And, in a minute I am going to go back and re-insert your suggestions.

AND, I have (mentally) come up with some other words and phrases that I think will help tone it down--or tend to objectify some of these statements.

Understand that I want to comply, and I have been working hard on trying to come up with a different construct--or scheme to tell this man's story--as the unique aspect of this person is the FACT that his life ARE his teachings--and his teachings ARE his life--meaning, when his story is told, you can't help but also talk, tell and speak of what might be termed as spiritual principles.

I think this person's story is important enough that I may even use this as an exercise to create a biographical book outline.

Also, I will not be offended, etc., if everything gets deleted, as I plan to use all this to create a similar presentation for his website and several other places.

Again, I appreciate your input, and hope that you will again, take the time to audit me as I continue to work on this project.

Regards,

Smithgiant 18:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Recent Edits and Comments On JJ Dewey

I apprecicate your input and I have been in contact with the author and am chasing down a TV interview, a newspaper article, and "church records" that I can use as "secondary" or "third party" sources. And, I am continuing to look elsewhere as well.

Regards,

Smithgiant 04:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop removing COI tags without cleaning up the article

You seem to be editing tendentiously. Please don't removing COI tags without cleaning up the articles. That's disruptive. I've opened a discussion at WP:ANI to get input from uninvolved parties. - Jehochman ^Talk 10:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The result of me replacing three COI tags with what I thought were more appropriate tags, was this guy reported me, and implied I was disrespectful to him. My opinion still is that the COI tags have to go because they violate wikipedia's COI guidelines. Fredsmith2 20:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Fred, see a new thread I started over at WT:COIN about there being too many tagged articles. EdJohnston 03:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Just passing through, thought I'd say hello

Hi, Fredsmith2, I was just checking my watchlist and saw work you are doing on Roller Derby related articles. I haven't had much time for adding content lately, and was pleased to see your work. Just thought I drop a note and introduce myself. Most of my interactions with other wikipedians have been defined by negativity, and attempts to establish intellectual superiority, so I wanted to go out of my way to add something affirmative when I saw the chance.~~ Michael J Swassing 15:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice comment, and thanks for your contributions! Fredsmith2 00:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WFTDA teams category rename proposal

I've nominated Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association teams for renaming. I suggested that an administrator replace "teams" with "members", which is not only more accurate, but should have greater longevity than "leagues", which would be the most precise option today. The nomination is here, and I believe you can lodge an objection or other feedback there if you like. —mjb 03:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Good proposal. Keep up the good work. Fredsmith2 00:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Question

Are you closely related to the Frederick W. Smith? - Jehochman ^Talk 02:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Fredsmith2, I have concerns that you are attempting to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. I've started a discussion based on my concerns. You are welcome to comment there. I am hopeful that we can clarify any misunderstandings. Thank you. - Jehochman ^Talk 03:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

As a safety warning, if anyone asks you for personal information on Wikipedia, you are not required to give it. I refused to answer this question, and you should probably refuse to answer similar questions like this, too, if you're pried for personal information on here. Let's keep Wikipedia a safe place, everybody. Fredsmith2 00:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick heads up, in case you have any reason to comment on a recent Request for Arbitration involving the administrators Durova and Jehochman Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Durova_and_Jehochman. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 04:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

From a newbie my experience here

re Casey Ryder deletion during creation and editing this is the entry from the deletion log:

18:24, 19 October 2007 Merope (Talk | contribs) deleted "Casey ryder" ‎ (content was: '{{Infobox Album | Name = Here | Type = cd| Artist = Casey Ryder| Cover = | ...' (and the only contributor was 'Vic dood'))

my post on User talk:Merope Casey Ryder Why did you delete the new article I was working on as I was editing it, within seconds of it being created? would it not be more courteous and civil to discuss it first, and at least view the finished product before doing this?

Vic dood 18:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

So far no response.

I was in the process of creating this page, and in the middle of an edit to to it. I went to save the revised info and the page had disappeared. Within seconds of creating and in the middle of editing it Merope deleted it with no comment or discussion or guidance or anything. what is going here at wikipedia?

Just totally discouraged and fed up. Vic dood 20:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Vic_dood"

Vic dood 22:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I feel your pain. One of my first articles I created got deleted, that I was in the middle of working on, too, but at least the wikipedian that did it to me was nice, and merged the content into another page.

Here's a trick you can use, if you're just creating a page. You can make most of it with comments and stuff on the discussion page. You can create a discussion page for a page without having to create the page itself. Here's an example: Talk:Casey_Rider. People will be less likely to delete it. Or, you can create a page that's part of your username. I made an example here: User:Vic_dood/Casey_Rider_Sandbox.

Something you should do is Assume Good Faith, on the part of the person who deleted your article. Who knows, maybe they're a newbie, too. Fredsmith2 00:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

it was this person, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Merope A rouge admin. there was no good fiath, just abuse of power. but I dont care I am deleting my ID and packing my suitcase and leaving this dysfunctional madhouse. Vic dood 00:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to see you go, but thanks for quoting Charlton Heston before you did. Fredsmith2 00:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Soylent green is wikipedia admins! well thanks for the support, but I am just an observer now. check this guy out http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Realkyhick

All he does is go around deleting, and being abusive. I guess this is what wikipedia wants?. Vic dood 21:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Mimi Fuenzalida

Thanks for your contribution to this article. I just wanted to comment that an edit summary that says "helped the newbie clean this up" could be construed as being patronizing, especially since there is more than one editor who has done work on this article. Again thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I meant the newbie who requested help on the article, and I didn't want to name usernames. Fredsmith2 (talk) 04:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that now EdJohnson & BlueAzure are skipping boards Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/64.30.201.109 in regards to the articles you have been helping with.HollywoodFan1 (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that now BlueAzure has skipped another board and has put another Adf tag on the Mimi Fuenzalida article you helped edit on.HollywoodFan1 (talk) 18:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello Fredsmith2, i just wanted to say thank you and goodbye. You have been very sweet and helpful in trying to assist me with WP. BlueAzure has taken any desire and fun out of wanting to help the process. It's not worth it to me to keep going, but I wanted to encourage you to stay because you are one of the good guys.HollywoodFan1 (talk) 05:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know anything about BlueAzure, but I do know from your perspective you were bitten, and discouraged from being bold with your editing. There really ought to be somewhere that people like you can report their grievances like this, and where established users get chided if they bite newbies. I don't think it exists now, but I'll keep looking for it. Fredsmith2 (talk) 23:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Evaluate the grammar of this sentence, will you?

Example 3, unless "Inner-Core" is some kind of special term, which it isn't explained in the body of the text, and if it were, would be considered the addition of jargon, it should be spelled, "Inner core." Fredsmith2 (talk) 20:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

When you've finished, consider posting your evaluation on the Rudget RfA. ^Avruchtalk 01:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right. I omitted a semicolon. It should read: Example 3, unless "Inner-Core" is some kind of special term, which it isn't explained in the body of the text, and if it were, would be considered the addition of jargon; it should be spelled, "Inner core." Fredsmith2 (talk) 20:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Care to take another look? ^Avruchtalk 01:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Your postings seem very close to a personal attack. Please either say something constructive or back off. It's grammatically correct. It wouldn't be worthy of inclusion on an article page, because it's stylistically awkward, but it's valid for a talk page. Fredsmith2 (talk) 02:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I disagree. I merely pointed out that your comment had grammar issues even though grammar was itself the subject of the comment. I'm not a usage expert, perhaps you are. If you say it is stylistically awkward rather than poor grammar, then I guess I will take your word on it. But you catch my point, I think. Even grammar mavens make grammar errors, and as such it is a poor reason to oppose. (Your oppose is still listed by the way, though you say its 'closed.'). ^Avruchtalk 02:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I close the oppose? Fredsmith2 (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You strike it out and indent it like so:

1. Oppose

^Avruchtalk 02:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Rudget!

Dear Fredsmith2, my sincere thanks for your participation in my second request for adminship, which ended with 113 supports, 11 opposes, and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank my admin coach and nominator, Rlevse and Ryan Postlethwaite who in addition to Ioeth all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to Phoenix-wiki, Dihyrdogen Monoxide and OhanaUnited who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that the community really does have something other places don't. Who would have though Gmail would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, Rudget. 17:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Delayed auditory feedback

The article Delayed auditory feedback has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

redundant content fork, information in treatment for stuttering

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. 2601:1C2:1900:1CC0:3093:6E41:61ED:5822 (talk) 08:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I removed the PROD. Explained in my edit summary. Commander Keane (talk) 09:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Delayed auditory feedback for deletion

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Bl0ckeds0unds (talk) 19:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)