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Neo-aramaic
editThere are more than 2 Million people who speak neo-aramaic! Alone in Sweden and Germany are about 250.000 aramaic people and don't forget the other countrys where many arameans live like Switzerland, netherland, belgium and in the middle east like syria, iraq and lebanon. Even in the USA arameans live. And assyrians ARE actually arameans many assyrians call themselve aramean. So it must be about 2 Million aramean people around the World who can speak neo-aramaic SBSBSB123 (talk) 15:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm aware that there are many speakers of Neo-Aramaic dialects around the world and I don't intend to contradict you, but whichever figure it is, it should be backed up by a reliable source rather than estimates by Wikipedia contributors. Drabkikker (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
My source is really sure. I live in Germany and i have many aramean friends and i think they know better about their Nation than we do. I mean seriously 400.000 people? Its abusive for the aramaic people today it seems like they will not exist in the Future. But ok i just wanted to let you know — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBSBSB123 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- Like I said, it isn't my aim to contradict you; I'm more than happy to trust your figures are realistic, but unfortunately that's not good enough for an encyclopedic article. To start with, a clear definition of "speaker of Neo-Aramaic" is necessary. Do we mean those who have a Neo-Aramaic dialect as their mother tongue, or are people who use it as a secondary language also counted? Do we include all Neo-Aramaic dialects, from Urmia to Ma`lula to Tur Abdin and everything in between, or do we make exceptions? Etc. Drabkikker (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Actually i just mean how many aramaic people live today and not exactly how many of them speaks neo-aramaic. Its clear that most of the aramean people today speaks neo-aramaic. It doesnt matter which neo-aramaic dialect. Its just a number of population about 2 Million aramean people live around the world. (I hope you understand me because my english is not good.) Or maybe i am in the wrong Page to put these Information — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBSBSB123 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not at all, and your English is excellent :) But it's important to realize that someone's language is not necessarily the same as someone's identity, or ethnicity, whichever term you prefer. A person who calls themselves "Aramean" may for instance refer to their ancestry, their language, religion, culture etc., or a combination of those. But the section we're discussing is only concerned with people who actually speak a modern form of Aramaic, regardless of any of the other factors of identity. It is well possible that many of the people who identify themselves as Aramean (whether they're Christian, Jewish or otherwise) indeed speak the language, but not necessarily all of them, and that's what we'd like to see reflected in the section we're talking about.
- A way to find out would be to delve into Ethnologue.com, which is sure to give numbers of speakers for Neo-Aramaic dialects, but unfortunately many of the figures are from decades ago. To be sure about today's numbers, we'd need to consult a reliable scholar in the field, like Geoffrey Khan or Alessandro Mengozzi.
- In any case, perhaps I've been a little hasty to revert your edit, as I'm not able to tell which of the figures is closer to reality. My point was that, whichever figure it's going to be, we need sources to back it up. So if you'd like to change it back, go ahead, but perhaps it would be good to add a "citation needed" tag as well. Also, let's resume any further discussion on this topic in the Talk section of the page itself, in case there are other contributors who can give useful feedback. Drabkikker (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Its ok. Lets leave it at that for first. Perhaps I will change it one day if I get better sources, evidence or something like that. This topic about aramaic languages is really complicated and enormous it's very difficult to understand. I just know a few Informations about aramean people from friends but not more like population, where the most arameans live and what language they speak ( they just tell me Aramaic and not these thousand dialects they have :D ) I dont know which but one dialect they use predominantly. But I think you know more about this topic than me — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBSBSB123 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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