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Counties
editPlease read WP:UKCOUNTIES before you change any more county information. If you disagree with the policy, then you need to persuade, on the policy talk page, other editors that the policy should be changed. Breaking the policy on individual articles is just wasting your time and ours, because such edits will be reverted to comply with policy. -- Dr Greg talk 23:39, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Where is this Policy Talk page you mention? I would like to present the facts and discuss the merits of using the traditional counties rather the ever shifting landscape of admin areas that are currently used as the primary 'county' reference.
Kind regards,
Andrew Donaldson British Counties Campaign. https://britishcounties.org https://www.facebook.com/BritishCounties/ DonaldsonAC (talk) 02:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Including traditional/historic counties as a point of reference.
editYour comment in on my talk page is pure Association of British Counties propaganda lifted almost word for word. Wikipedia editors have a long history of dealing with ABC vandalism and have a very well thought out policy, which you are continual in breach of. User talk:Dr Greg pointed this out to you in the preceding comment, now desist with you edits..--Kitchen Knife (talk) 21:54, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Lancashire
editThey use two different info boxes (one is info box settlement, the other info box UK Place or something similar. They don't all have the same variables, although many things are interchangeable. As for Lancashire, I identify as some from Lancashire because it is the tradition of my home town. But that's very different to introducing it to wikipedia. Koncorde (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Historic/Traditional Counties
editMost if not all of my edits relating to the traditional county names are not 'Historic counties revivalist rubbish' as on person reverting an edit put it, but are in fact stating the real counties in which we live.
You all might do well to read the 'Why the Confusion' and 'Official Statements' pages on our website https://britishcounties.org and understand the names reverted back to are administrative or ceremonial areas only and are not the traditional geographic counties. Nobody is not interested in who empties the bins, but they are interested to know the real county name.
My edits are certainly not vandalism, I have had this reaction from several Wikipedia people who had the same bad/ill-informed attitude towards the traditional counties. I am at a loss why the policy is to use the artificial areas created over the past 40+ years which are constantly changing, rather than our traditional counties which have existed for around 1000 years and whose boundaries are static!
Andrew Donaldson, British Counties Campaign
https://britishcounties.org https://www.facebook.com/BritishCounties/ DonaldsonAC (talk) 02:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- Just because you think you are right doesn't make you right. Instead of stamping your feet ever louder why don't you try to understand why the guidelines are the way they are and then give constructive reasons why your preference to use traditional counties better suits wikipedia. There are some compelling reasons why administrative areas should be used rather than the traditional county areas. Do you really believe that people would be less confused if we described Kensington as being in Middlesex instead of in London? Also, you do your cause no good at all by associating yourself with the ABC, BCC, or any other pressure group. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Roger, I don't 'think' I'm right, I KNOW I am right, why else would I be involved with a campaign with 30 MPs supporting us so far who facilitate meetings with ministers who are in a position to fix the county confusion by means of legislation to align the lieutenancies to the boundaries of the traditional counties!? The example you gave is unique in that places in central London are known by all as being in London, but the traditional country is indeed Middlesex. How can I be doing my cause no good by associating with ABC etc? Clearly they like me know the facts of the matter and incidentally I am a co-founder of BBC so it might be hard to disassociate myself from them!
The reason to refer to traditional counties is simple: The 92 traditional counties of the UK (39 in England) have existed for around 1000 years, they were established centuries before parliament came into existence and so no legislation has ever or could ever change, move or abolish the real traditional counties.
The Local Government Act of 1888 created local government areas loosely based on the counties, then subsequent legislation in 1965 and 1972 repealed that Act and established new areas of local government. Modern ceremonial, administrative or preserved counties are merely administrative creations whose boundaries are fluid and can change to suit various needs they are not the true geographic counties whose boundaries are static and can't be changed, tourists, visitors, people in general aren't interested in who emptied the bins years before that metropolitan county council was abolished, but they are interested in the real, geographic, traditional county they are in.
The States of America are much younger than the British counties but they are static and are not subject the the absurdities of chopping and changing as the British administrative areas are. Doesn't it make sense to use a fixed frame of reference such as the traditional counties? DonaldsonAC (talk) 21:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)