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Anthony Bailey (Interfaith campaigner)

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With the greatest of respect, are you Anthony Bailey or connected to him in any professional way? I only ask because you appear to be a Single purpose account, adding large unsourced text on past disputes he has had, creating a largely unsourced article on Bailey's wife and reverting my deletion of unsourced text from Bailey's article. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Princess Marie-Therese of Hohenberg

I have again reverted your edit to HSH Princess Marie-Therese of Hohenberg's page to remove the superfluous reference to her holding the courtesy title derived from her husband of Lady Bailey.

It is not correct practice amongst European Royal Houses for a married woman to use a title derived from that of her husband where she significantly outranks her spouse as is the case with HSH and her husband Sir Anthony Bailey.

Please see HRH The Princess Royal for a case in point.

Oinky (talk) 12:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Lady Bailey

I have reverted your previous amendments as the reasons given are no acturate . See HRH Princess Alexandra for example. Culture759 (talk) 23:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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Bailey - honorific and title

Hi. To which country is Bailey accredited, please? I previously thought that his honorific style (Excellency) was because of his having been awarded a 'significant' Grand Cross - which use of Excellency I have found elsewhere; you have taken this from the page, but I cannot find him accredited as a High Commissioner, Ambassador, etc., anywhere. 'Special envoy' means that he was sent, but not that he was received... Thanks.

Having done a little more research, 'Excellency' - in the diplomatic sense - is used for heads of state and heads of delegations (inc. envoy/minister, but not special envoy, which is quite a different thing). I cannot find him listed as an ambassador/diplomat of Montenegro (but perhaps I just cannot find it - a link would perhaps be useful). I cannot readily find any other examples of a special envoy being accorded this style. The style is possibly as a courtesy for a Grand Cross, though, if unusual.

By the way, I'm not sure what you mean by 'rank'; "Excellency" cannot be a rank. In terms of social rank, Bailey is an esquire in the UK (because of his OBE, and similarly to eg foreign nobility); Ireland (constitutionally) has no social rank, and I don't believe that St Kitts does either (after the 1983 constitution).

Sorry, new to all this! Citysider (talk) 00:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for adding your User signature. The subject is entitled to the use of 'Excellency' by virtue of several honours and positions he holds. First as a Special Envoy with rank of Ambassador at Large for Montenegro. It is not necessary to be accredited to a specific country and in the subject's case it is to a region - the Middle East and North Africa and visits have already happened according to reports to Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The subject is also entitled to use Excellency my virtue of being the holder of the highest rank of a papal honour and i only removed it from the article as part of the editing of the article in light some contributors felt it had lost some of its neutrality and to standardise his various awards. I have added a good number of links to third party sources including Buckingham Palace and the media. The subject is also a holder of the Grand Cross of the Constantinian Order and also is the longstanding Delegate to several nations which under the rules of the Order and the the Church he is also so entitled to use Excellency in the context of his religious order. Rank I was meaning position and role i.e. as envoy and ambassador at large. I also saw somewhere a government release from Antigua and Barbuda of his appointment as Special Envoy to the EU states for economic affairs which also had his position as a HE. Interesting too that Ireland's Government has also recognised his Commonwealth Realm Knighthoods and allowed the use in the Republic of the 'sir' title. As the subject has several nationalities it is my understanding that he may use his Sir title in the UK and therefore is not an esquire.

Welcome to Wikipedia though. I see this is your first contribution. what is your interest in this posting. To me he seems a fascinating man by all accounts and have added just now some links from the Daily Mail newspaperin the UK which first brought him to my attention. Are you UK or US based?Culture759 (talk) 00:53, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

He's an impressive guy! My background is in protocol, so it's very interesting. I'm not sure about the Excellency thing - I think it makes more sense to me certainly as a courtesy for his honours. I'm not sure about the diplomatic status really - he must be a member of a diplomatic corps (of a country) to be a diplomat, and special envoys are not. I can't see that he is. My understanding is that Ireland allowed him to accept the title: I don't know what it means in terms of use. There are only citizens in republics so he cannot be a 'knight' there. (A great example of this is Austria, which doesn't even allow 'von' in surnames!) Likewise in the uk, I think that he must be an esquire, as he is not royal, a peer or a knight. When I just googled this, I got a recent question about something similar in the House of Lords which seems to confirm this. Thanks for the links, though. Interesting reading!

Who else do you know like this? (I just happened to come across this one.) Citysider (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Any permissions granted by the Republic of Ireland to Sir Anthony allowing him to use titles granted to him by other Sovereign Powers can only be related to such usage within the territory and jurisdiction of the Republic of Ireland and can only have any validity if he is an Irish Citizen. This permission clearly does not extend to the United Kingdom, so Sir Anthony's practice of using his title whilst in the United Kingdom has to derive either from his being a British Citizen in which case he needs a separate permission granted by the Crown (not his permission granted by the RoI) for him to use a foreign government's honorific title, or, if he holds the nationality of either of the two sovereign states which have invested him with knighthoods, and is not a British Citizen, he may use the honorific "Sir" without further permission from the Crown. I have no idea what nationality or nationalities Sir Anthony has. In neither case of course is the title to be confused with the title of Knight Batchelor or Baronet of the United Kingdom, or of the rank of Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire, which I note Sir Anthony does also hold in a lower rank. Hope that helps. Oinky (talk) 17:11, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Anthony Bailey

Your edit summary was incorrect. Bailey's nationality was not removed. All of my edits were MoS corrections and you should not have mass reverted them. Afterwriting (talk) 13:22, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Bailey's three nationalities were shown and in your edit it was reduced to one as was the amended title of his wife. Culture759 (talk) 13:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I have only just noticed the reference you made to the styles of Princess Elena of Romania in the process of reverting an edit to those of HSH Marie-Therese von Hohenberg. This is incorrect as firstly, Princess Elena does not typically use the courtesy title derived from that of her husband, for the reasons stated as to why HSH Marie-Therese von Hohenberg does not (or should not, if she in fact does) and secondly, if Princess Elena were using a courtesy title derived from that of her husband, it would be Lady Dixon, not Mrs Dixon. Oinky (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

There are several places where is does show the Romanian princess using here joint title. Why would it be Lady Dixon? She is married to Mr Alexander Nixon so Mrs Nixon is correct. Culture759 (talk)

Apologies - I meant Nixon, rather than Dixon. I have followed the statements in Princess Elena's Wikipedia entry where her husband is named as Lord Alexander Nixon. Elsewhere, he is named as Mr Alexander McAteer, so now I am properly confused as to his true identity. But to the substantive point, it is not a question of technical accuracy - of course Princess Elena is entitled to refer to herself as Princess Elena, Mrs McAteer (or Nixon), if she so chooses. My point is simply that the usual form in this country is for her not to do so. I agree that HRH Princess Alexandra appears as a counter-example, but in point of fact the reason for her continuing to use the subsidiary title of Ogilvy in combination with her royal title was out of respect for her husband's decision as the Hon. Angus Ogilvy, to refuse an earldom offered to him in his own right. It's all a bit of a minefield, but the usual form in this country is to try not to "overdo" these things for fear of looking ridiculous. Oinky (talk) 13:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Antiguan Knighthood

The UK Government on 1 June 2016 announced a new rule that dual nationals will no longer be able to use in the UK the title Sir or Dame assocated with an honour of knighthood granted by the Queen or her representative the Governor General in one of the 15 Commonwealth Realms. This only refers to the UK jurisdiction and non other. The subject under the statute has entitlment to use it in Antigua, has permission from the Government of Ireland to accept the titular honour and no doubt this is the case for many other juristications. The Knighthood is legitmately awarded by the Crown in Antigua and so on his wikipedia page it should be included especially since the subject holds other nationalities and is professionally and by marriage operates outside of UK juristication. I have however added a note under the awards section of the subject that the title is not formally permitted in the UK since 1 June 2016.. Culture759 (talk)

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