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IP 71

The IP that still hasn’t gotten over the discussion on the Star Trek Discovery talkpage left a message on my talkpage barging in on a completely different discussion. I reverted the message, but should I be concerned they’ve turned their account to basically antagonize me?--CreecregofLife (talk) 07:05, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@CreecregofLife: I've left them a message voicing my concerns along that line and urging them to get back to constructive editing. —C.Fred (talk) 14:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I’m in a content dispute at Talk:2022 in animation that grew increasingly uncomfortable with personal attacks that grew more and more direct, as if to force me to submit defeat. I don’t know where to go with this.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@CreecregofLife: As the expression goes, take the high road. I saw that things had heated back up at 2022 in animation while trying to find diffs from the IP; I have warned one of the other editors there that their comments are out of line and are personal attacks. —C.Fred (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate it. Thank you.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Update - They didn't stop. They're clearly trying to manipulate--CreecregofLife (talk) 16:29, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you take a good look at our friend CreecregofLife here.

It's not so much a question of getting over anything as watching repeated instances of bad behavior on his part. I'm not so entirely wrapped up in Wikipedia as it is but what I find and continue to find fascinating is that way this person tries to turn every instance of their own bad behavior as the fault of everyone else.

Between edit warring, incivility and the constant questioning of anyone attempting to reign in this kind of abuse (even senior mods) it’s gotten to the point of being downright laughable. Considering some of the words have been directed at me and others I have been mild in my response. In the case of watching another "fight" I found his response more than a little ironic.

Apparently though it gave me CreecregofLife significant butthurt. My point is simply it appears it isn’t everyone else who is the problem but CreecregofLife who has far too much time on his hands and who doesn’t appear to understand the sense of community and cooperation that is supposed to be a part of Wikipedia unless I’m missing something and the underlying thrust of the site as a resource and community has changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.233.44 (talk) 22:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

All you did was prove I'm not the problem CreecregofLife (talk) 01:30, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, yes, yes... it's always the other person. Everyone else is the problem. Honestly I don't have to do anything, you'll ultimately do yourself in. 71.190.233.44 (talk) 11:47, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball

Hi C.Fred. Do you think some short-term WP:PP might be a good idea for Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball given stuff like this appearing online? I'm asking you since you're the last admin to revert on the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:44, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Yep, and noted in the log. —C.Fred (talk) 14:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Wasn't sure. Personally, it's not very helpful when writers like that person seem to make vandalism seem like a "fun2 thing to do. It's too bad the WMF doesn't directly respond to articles like that to explain why they often lead to problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Hello,if possible,unprotect the page "Zeus (malware) 112.215.65.128 (talk) 15:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Given the history of spam on the page, no. You can request edits on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 15:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Whats wrong with you people

What in the world is wrong with you people,i try to edit and add useful information,but what do you do ,you undo it ,then say how am i suppose to contribute if people like you don't know what you want!!!!!! Newzlighter (talk) 17:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Newzlighter: You need to cite a reliable source for the information you add. —C.Fred (talk) 17:52, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay could u at least add the the useful information i thought i was add then add your reliable source you talk of because I really think people should be updated on networth Newzlighter (talk) 18:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

It's not our job to provide you your sources CreecregofLife (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Newzlighter: Where did you get the net worth information, so that we can verify it? —C.Fred (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Straight on Google Newzlighter (talk) 18:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Newzlighter: Celebritynetworth is not reliable. Parade cites Forbes, which reports her earnings, not her net worth. —C.Fred (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

BaldiBasicsFan

Now they're calling my edits "political pandering", and continue to make edits they don't have consensus for. I placed a warning, they kept going. It's been 4 days and they're still trying to paint me as the one in the wrong even after everything they've said to me. They're well past civility and participation in discussion, but I don't know what to do next--CreecregofLife (talk) 03:31, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Saber (artist)

Please help me to nominate for deletion correctly. I believe this page does not meet the criteria. I used to edit years ago and a lot has changed. I'm a bit lost right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guard Dog One (talk • contribs) 17:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Guard Dog One: WP:Articles for deletion has instructions. You never completed the nomination page. —C.Fred (talk) 17:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I followed those instructions, now you're saying that it needs to go another course? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guard Dog One (talk • contribs) 01:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Guard Dog One: No, you need to follow the directions at WP:AfD. You never completed the nomination page. —C.Fred (talk) 01:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

IDHT/BATTLEGROUND report

Hi- hoping to get some help regarding WP:ANI#CreecregofLife - continued disputes/edit warring. At this point, the discussion is going nowhere- with editors repeatedly trying to explain how the reported user is constantly battling other users (WP:IDHT/WP:BATTLEGROUND) with the reported user continuing to entirely deny this- with each response of theirs showing the exact problem being discussed and is simultaneously denying and continuing their behavior.

As a note, I've reached out to you due to your recent post on the user's talk page here. Apologies if this is the exact opposite of what should be done if that's due to your previous interaction with the user in question. Thanks. Magitroopa (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Revision 1079445682

The purpose of this revision was to clean up misleading and false information in multiple paragraphs. Thank you for your vigilance but it has been sustained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.181.1.170 (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Woah woah woah!!!!!!!!!

What did you just do to that message on my talk page!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.18.158 (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

First, without the indent, it ran into mine. Second, you didn't sign your message, so the text needed attributed. —C.Fred (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Moving Page

Sorry I moved the page the wrong way. I don't really understand the proper way so I will put it on that requested moves page. Thanks 2A00:23C8:4384:FB00:389D:B663:C08:CC17 (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

OK so I have a problem. That requested moves page is semi-protected and so I can't request the 'technical move' on there. This is a particularly uncontroversial move as, for example, Busse is a page in relation to the surname and also covers off multiple other vaguely related things. In this case, Buss (surname) should logically just move to Buss because Buss only has two other disambiguation links which are for Herring buss and Buss Island, which are different enough in name and are dealt with using a hatnote. Could you please move the page or ask on the Wikipedia:Requested moves as IP users aren't allowed to edit the semi-protected page. I could make an account but I always edit using an IP address because it gives IP address editors a better name. Thanks 2A00:23C8:4384:FB00:389D:B663:C08:CC17 (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the surname is a reasonable primary meaning. I've gone ahead and moved the page. I'll revert if it's contested and bring the issue for discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 17:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I'd be amazed if it's contested, and if it is I don't really care enough to try to argue the case. It just seemed like a little anomaly that could be fixed, and ended up being more complicated than I realised. Thanks again! 2A00:23C8:4384:FB00:389D:B663:C08:CC17 (talk) 17:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Why did you remove my edits

I had removed some offensive language from the Mormon article, why would you add it back.Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 01:13, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Greenhighwayconstruction: Not only is it not offensive, but it is false. —C.Fred (talk) 01:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is meant to be neutral and that is why Wikipedia should not consider Mormons Christians both the Atlantic, Luther Collage and many other news organizations, and scholars all agree that mormons are not Christians. In addition, who gave you the right to judge what is and isn't offensive. Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC) Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Greenhighwayconstruction: Many other sources do consider Mormons Christian. The issue has been discussed at the relevant articles' talk pages, and consensus emerged that they are Christian. —C.Fred (talk) 16:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Further, Wikipedia is not censored. We do not remove content because it may be offensive to groups. We have pictures of Muhammad, the name of the God of Judaism, and the Greek letters of Phi Gamma Delta in Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 16:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

ok but you still have not backed up your claim that there is a consensus that believes mormans are cristians Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 18:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Greenhighwayconstruction: There's been broad community consensus for over 15 years. See Talk:Mormonism/Archive 1#Question of whether Mormonism is a branch of Christianity and Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints/Archive 17#Not really Christian..., among others. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

ok, but the debate is over a decade old where would i go to request a review of that decision. Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 18:21, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Greenhighwayconstruction: I'm going to say to Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, since it's probably the highest-traffic page within the LDS sphere. Be prepared with a multitude of reliable sources to back up your position, since you're going to need to demonstrate that the consensus of scholarly sources is that they're non-Christian. —C.Fred (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

References

User 72.80.252.225

Thank you so much for giving this editor a warning. Now he has done the same removal of side labels but put "Fixed typo" in the Edit summary field for Happy Heart (album) and also made the same edit without a summary on Honey (Andy Williams album). It seems like if I revert them he'll just do it again, so I thought I'd ask you for the best course of action since you're obviously more experienced at handling these situations. Danaphile (talk) 19:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Danaphile: I've escalated the warning. Let me know if you see similar such actions: given the warnings they've gotten, I'd have no problem blocking them if they were to do it again. —C.Fred (talk) 19:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Unprotection of page

Can you unprotect this page to autoconfirmed user Susovan Sonu Roy, I want to edit this page.117.227.111.131 (talk) 09:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Frankly, no. An experienced user with proper sourcing would know the proper channels to present a candidate page. I will not unprotect the mainspace title, period. I will not even unprotect the draft page, for fear of it being used for spam—particularly since a lot of the bad pages were created by a blocked or banned user. —C.Fred (talk) 13:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

The Kashmir Files edit requests

Most of us have just been removing those types of requests as duplicates and disruptive. They end up clogging the page and archives of we don't, and it also falls under a bit of WP:DENY. Ymmv of course. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Yeah, there was one I should probably have removed as redundant. —C.Fred (talk) 23:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I only mentioned it because it's gotten out of hand at that talk page a few times.

On an unrelated note, who has an account for 15 years and makes no edits until they decide to complain about Will Smith? Bklau, apparently. It's odd how often I see old accounts that pop up after a decade to commit vandalism or something, having never edited. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk page revoke?

Hello C.Fred, I think you'll want to revoke 220.236.125.200's TPA again, if you see the recent edit to their talk page. --Ferien (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ferien: I went one worse: I replied to them and explained exactly why they're blocked and why their edits are being reverted on-sight. —C.Fred (talk) 13:32, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

List of Argentina Primera Division Broadcasters

Hello, I wanted to ask you not to delete my edition because I take the time to write, move and edit the information of the article and if you do, explain to me the reason. I have not been wrong in anything, currently Vix is ​​the rebrand of PrendeTV, and other editions that are not worth mentioning. I will add references for you to observe and if you undo my edition, I ask you to explain why. Regards. 2800:AF0:100C:4290:5D9A:E89F:92B4:2DCC (talk) 01:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Detainees held in the Bagram Theater Internment Facility

Hello, C.Fred. You're an Administrator and I was hoping you might be able to deal with this because I am hesitant to touch it and you are clearly far more versed with this sort of thing (and I don't know who else to ask). I'm looking at this article and it has several stubs that appear to be mostly nonsense/just rehashes of things in the main article (ie, they seem to be candidates for speedy deletion; eg, Pasta Khan and Raiz). I'm not entirely sure which template one would use, though, and I don't want to get into some revert craziness. Perhaps you'd be willing to do this? Would appreciate your assistance. Incidentally, the person who initially wrote these pages was indefinitely blocked recently (in March, I believe). Thanks. 40.133.234.46 (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Warning users

Hi! Sorry to bother you, I'm still a bit inexperienced with some parts of this. I was trying to warn a user and they ended up blocked before I added the warning, so it shows up after the block notice. Should I move it to the proper section or just leave it be? Perfect4th (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Perfect4th: I've had that happen before, where I was going to warn a user, but somebody else blocked them. A lot of times, I've reverted the warning with an edit summary like "well, guess it was a little late for that..." —C.Fred (talk) 00:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Threatning messages

I have got a message from you about editing -

• Y'know, adding warnings to your own user page is probably not the best way to experiment. —C.Fred (talk) 04:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving bogus warnings on other people's pages is worse. —C.Fred (talk) 04:52, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at 2012 Asia Cup. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 13:52, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, you may be blocked from editing. Motu Patlu and Chhota Bheem Lover 5 (talk) 05:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I can't understand for which page you are warning me. Please explain with screenshot. am (talk) 08:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ashis Mitra: On the surface, I have left no such message on your user talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 11:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I did warn an IP. Before I warned them, they had left these messages on their user talk page.[1] They then improperly warned a user and vandalized 2012 Asia Cup. —C.Fred (talk) 11:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Blocked editor

Sorry I didn't wait after your last warning before blocking Masoud bukani. I'd run out of patience a while before that, coupled with commons. DMacks (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@DMacks: No worries. I was trying to counsel the user toward how we do things on en.wiki and get them to try to grasp it. I fear I may have just been postponing the inevitable. —C.Fred (talk) 15:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Ahad Raza Mir

The line I had deleted is valid. Neither has the couple disclosed this information. And sources also state that they do not have confirmed news about this. At the moment, it is just a rumour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.61.248.119 (talk) 13:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Then the article needs to restore that they are married. —C.Fred (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

And see Talk:Ahad Raza Mir#Divorce - questions about source. —C.Fred (talk) 14:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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Morocco national team

hello, if you may can you pls revert the edits done on the page. he is ruining the page with false information Morocco national football team

It looks like they were already reverted, other than some of the language templates. —C.Fred (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

New administrator activity requirement

The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.

Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:

1. Made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least a 12-month period OR
2. Made fewer than 100 edits over a 60-month period

Administrators at risk for being desysopped under these criteria will continue to be notified ahead of time. Thank you for your continued work.

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Mistaken for Mudgalkar's DOB

Realized it later, thanks for the revert! ManaliJain (talk) 04:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

ManaliJain, why do you make so many mistakes. Please be careful with your edits. 2405:204:A104:8A2C:AE8B:1921:8109:C48E (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment

@C.Fred: Some time ago, you engaged with a rather tenacious editor on Talk:Seraphim Rose, specifically regarding his sexuality. This editor (who I will leave untagged but is "Classical library"), a fairly stereotypical WP:SPA, has engaged in accusations and threats in their first edits in a couple years, reverting sourced material by citing a supposed consensus that was never achieved. This editor seems to only return to police that page to remove details of Rose's sexuality, and I would like to ask for your opinion what the best solution to such a situation would be, as I have had to deal with similarly belligerent and uncooperative editors recently and want a rapid resolution. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:39, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: I have gone straight to WP:ANI, since the user was blocked previously for bad-faith comments toward other users. —C.Fred (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.Fred: I appreciate your promptness. I was uncertain if I should do that, as I was very recently involved in a spat with another editor bearing similar characteristics that was resolved ineffectively and without finality on that page. Thank you. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:43, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Changes you undid in 'List of highest-grossing Tamil films'

In the article List of highest-grossing Tamil films the first entry in the table 'Highest-grossing Tamil films by year' for the year 2022 has Worldwide gross set at 300 crores, which is incorrect, as per the 6 referenced articles, 1 directly present in the table and 5 others present in the talk section the value is 218 crores. This needs to be updated.

Kowsikbabu (talk) 14:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I am Theoder2055, in the article List of highest grossing Tamil films I see @Sathyalingam removing the content every time without explaining. He does this not for the first time but every times. Please could you do something to see that it does not gets removed. Theoder2055 (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: The user has been temporarily blocked as a result of that behaviour. —C.Fred (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Following up on the previous update on the article List of highest-grossing Tamil films the first entry in the table 'Highest-grossing Tamil films by year' for the year 2022, Titled "Valimai" has verified articles which references 235 234 crores. This stat is no longer valid as another user has submitted article referencing the movie "Beast" has surpassed this gross collection by achieving 235 crores. Reference here The same change needs to updated in the 'Top 10 gross collections of all time as well (which is actually out of place).

Kowsikbabu (talk) 09:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kowsikbabu: That figure has been challenged at Talk:Beast (2022 film). —C.Fred (talk) 12:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit revert on Ehelepola Wijesundara

Dear Fred

I noticed that you had reverted my edit on Ehelepola Nilame’s name due to the source being unreliable. I had sourced this directly from the official Dalada Maligawa Page. Dalada Maligawa is the official bearer of the Temple of Tooth and the Surrounding Castles, including Ehelepola Nilame’s. I understand a facebook post isn't a reliable source under most circumstances but in this instance, Dalada Maligawa only creates literature through facebook to capture more audiences.The dalada Maligawa bears a golden casket donated by Ehelepola Nilame (Nilame is not a name but a title) with his full name inscription.The facebook article clearly contains the correct version of his name.It is common for people to misunderstand Ehelepola Nilame’s name as the british monarchy destroyed various records of our history.Can you please revert it back to my edit.

Sincerely Maha Kalu Sinhalaya Maha kalu sinhalaya (talk) 12:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Maha kalu sinhalaya: You will need a consensus of editors at the article's talk page to determine that the source is reliable. —C.Fred (talk) 20:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, again

• Qaumrambista (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Jude Didimus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I recently came to you regarding the now-blocked editor Classical library and really appreciate your help dealing with that. Because of this, I again want to turn to you for help (if that's appropriate). I think I have had repeat and abusive encounters with a frequent sockpuppetry offender. I really don't want to start a witch hunt here because this is also an editor with whom I've had a partially-resolve dispute. I'm fairly certain that the editor Qaumrambista is a sockpuppet of Vishall Elias Manesh. Now, the evidence of this is mostly circumstantial, but I discovered it when I saw that Qaumrambista's edits lined up roughly with those of another user, Jude Didimus, and emphasized articles on Indian (specifically Syriac Indian) Christianity. Almost exactly the same time that Jude Didimus called it quits after several of their edits were rejected, a series of IPs traced to and accepted by Qaumrambista as their own appeared (details of this can be seen in an ANI I filed against Qaurambista earlier this month for incivility here). Further circumstantial evidence appeared when Jude Didimus appeared to be recognized as a sockpuppet by a fellow editor (here). Even more might be ascribed when the edits made by Qaumrambista not only match the content but also the type of edit–frequent undiscussed page moves being a common MO among VEM's sockpuppets. Obviously, none of this is concrete, so I think it would have been inappropriate to take this to ANI. However, I was hoping you could just take a cursory look. I can provide more details as needed. Thanks! ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: I have been notified. If you are fairly certain that the editor Qaumrambista (which is me) is a sockpuppet of Vishall Elias Manesh, then what retards you from going to ANI! I think you are stalking me all around. Qaumrambista (talk) 05:24, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, many of the pages you edit are on my watchlist, especially after Jude Didimus blew through. Also, I'm fairly certain it was you who followed me to the Seraphim Rose discussion (not sure that would have been on your radar except if you were following me). ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: everything is evident: who's stalking whom and all. Try to dig out the next allegation afterthis is over. So do not stop dreaming. Qaumrambista (talk) 05:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Report

Sorry by mistake i have added refrence of some other article please check now. And according to user interest it is clear the editing done is not from neutral point of view please have a check on the pages i have provided. Thanks Baidy540 (talk) 11:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@Baidy540: My determination of no violation by RS6784 stands. —C.Fred (talk) 11:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.Fred:, please see my comments there and the concerned account is created just 3 hrs back, jumps to many pages placed under discretionary sanctions to remove content there. In my view, the behaviour of this new editor should be in question and not me. Just see here [[2]] and this was restored by other editor who saw it. RS6784 (talk) 11:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@RS6784: I have amended my finding to make it clear whose edits I find concerning here. —C.Fred (talk) 11:37, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.Fred:, please look into this here- [[3]], this is definitely not a good faith edit. It is still there on the Principality page, I don't know how the editors who are active on that page have missed it. Thanks RS6784 (talk) 18:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Beast collection

Beast 12 days collection ₹240 crore add in Beast article infobox. Source from zee news source: https://zeenews.india.com/tamil/movies/beast-movie-beats-valimai-box-office-collection-less-than-12-days-390612 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.42.197.5 (talk) 09:04, 30 Apr 2022 (UTC)

That would need to be discussed at the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 13:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Please Lock Page

Dear C. Fred Good morning/Afternoon/Night introduce me JGNTHA

I ask for help to lock Joko widodo's page because someone made Vandal Edits which is like making fun of Joko widodo's name. Anonym change name Joko widodo to Joko wikodok which in English "kodok" is frog

Thanks From JGNTHA (talk) 04:02, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Ibn Taymiyyah

With regards to the name position on this page, I totally agree in principle and in general with placing the full proper name first, but in this particular instance it's a little nonsensical - not only because the full name is a total mouthful but also because it lacks any recognizability or even the all-critical component "Ibn Taymiyyah" - so its not the name he's known by, not recognizable and not legible - overall making it more of a hinderance than a help to the reader. As I understand it, there is a degree of latitude in the naming position, and the guidelines seem to accept that in some culture it was quite common not to refer to people by their full names, which is the often the case in Arabic-Persian culture, particularly with key figures, where the moniker often causes the real name to pale into relative insignificance. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:35, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I had taken your advice

Just so you know, I had taken your advice about a certain editor but his interactions haven’t changed and it appears he has ignored your own advice to him regarding interacting with me. Again, I’m going to try and take the high road here but I’m just giving you a heads up on this because as I have observed in the past it’s a pattern of behavior that has led to the multiple ANI discussions regarding him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.233.44 (talk) 15:16, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Malicious editing with intent to defame

Dear C Fred you have edited several times a page adding unreliable sources of misleading and false content, can you explain the reason of such malicious editing? Supra75521 (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC) Supra75521 (talk) 01:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Supra75521: I assume you refer to Carl von Bismarck, which has a history of editors with conflicts of interest removing material from the page. I've acted in proper administrative fashion on the page; as the talk page shows, there was some material that was flagged as needing sources, but it's been long enough ago that I looked at the page that I can't remember details. —C.Fred (talk) 15:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, a change has been made to the administrators inactivity policy. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
• Following a discussion on the bureaucrat's noticeboard, a change has been made to the bureaucrats inactivity policy.

Technical news

• The ability to undelete the associated talk page when undeleting a page has been added. This was the 11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.
• A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.

Arbitration

• Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Stuffing down a project

Please don't stuff down for project.````` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggillman (talk • contribs) 16:03, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@Eggillman: Then please don't make a mess of articles. —C.Fred (talk) 16:18, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Victoria Asher

You might want to go ahead and indef protect that. There's currently a twitter campaign to restore it.[4][5] and i'm guessing it's only gonna get more disruptive. PRAXIDICAE💕 17:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

And her own IG (via ig stories) is encouraging people to restore it as well as blaming her "enemies" lol PRAXIDICAE💕 17:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: Based on the canvassing, I've gone full-protection on the page for a month. —C.Fred (talk) 17:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Does that make me her enemy? I don't think I've had an enemy before, and now I have one not quite famous enough to have a Wikipedia article. I'm coming up in the world. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the club, SFR. You should see how many people's enemy I am on Twitter - celebs I've never heard of outside of reverting them/their rabid fans or nominating their shitty articles for deletion. PRAXIDICAE💕 21:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

You've got a following too! I can't link cause it's blacklisted but just go to Twitter and search your username! IDK who Britney is tho PRAXIDICAE💕 21:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh wow. Looks like the only other time I drew some attention was over editing some India related article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Just a heads up, I nominated Alex Suarez (musician), Ryland Blackinton, and Nate Novarro for deletion. Not sure if the rest of Cobra Starship has the same following as Asher, but it might be worth keeping an eye on. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

This person gets it. Damn. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, personally I wouldn't want a wikipedia page if I were notable. The last bluelink in the infobox that isn't the lead singer looks like they might pass AfD, on account of having married Andy Dick. Who wants that known about them? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, relating to this topic. Victoria Asher herself keeps requesting help online from fans asking if they know how to get her page restored. Is it possible for you to simply restore the information listed prior to all the edits and then close it as a redirect page? Kind regards DanielSchweitz (talk) 17:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing C.Fred a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! interstatefive  (talk) - just another roadgeek 00:03, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing C.Fred a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Chapter 3 is going to happen just unknown release date

Hey C.Fred check there discord it’s going to happen just they don’t know when

https://discord.gg/poppyplaytime

Liam Stoneback YTLiamStoneback (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

What part of "discord isn't reliable" is unclear? You're just forum shopping now and I suggest you stop. Also sorry C. Fred, but they're popping up all over my WL. PRAXIDICAE💕 21:12, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@YTLiamStoneback: Arguably, any mention of chapter 3 should be removed without a reliable source. I was generous to leave the alleged date in with no reference. —C.Fred (talk) 21:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

You guys don’t understand THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES ARE IN THAT SERVER and they said that chapter 3 is going to happen they don’t know the if the release is going to be early 2023 and if you check mob games yt the exact sma e discord server is in the description of there yt videos — Preceding unsigned comment added by YTLiamStoneback (talk • contribs) 10:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@YTLiamStoneback: How can we verify that the developers are in that server and that they're the ones who made the statement? —C.Fred (talk) 14:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

How about you join the server and see for yourself YTLiamStoneback (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@YTLiamStoneback: Cost-benefit. I don't see where I will get any information on the server that will justify registering, since I don't see what I could get as a member of the server that would be published and establish the claims. —C.Fred (talk) 03:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Kindly Help to save the article Atul Kumar Sharma (Producer)

Kindly help to save the article about Atul Kumar Sharma(Proeucer). Its a genuine article, with all the geuine supporting links. Few Editors on wikipedia without even checking just places deletion tag, It would be great help. Kindly protect the page of you can. I want to make genuine contributions to wikipedia and its not a promotional act or promotional article. 103.93.192.230 (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Not only were the concerns from the AfD not addressed, but the article was also apparently created by a user who is evading their block. —C.Fred (talk) 14:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

To your notice

Dear Admin, you removed a personal attack post on talk page of Narayani Sena article, similar comments are put up by IPs here [[6]], this is top level harrassment going on for just doing normal editing. I would request you for the removal of the same. Thanks RS6784 (talk) 12:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@RS6784: Thanks for the heads up. That's an older message, but I've cleaned up that thread as well. —C.Fred (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

sock?

Hi C.Fred, please check User:Mammaacademia against User:Suziesaltos, thanks. Cheers, Achim55 (talk) 11:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Achim55: Good catch! Blocked. —C.Fred (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Query

Hello, C.Fred,

I was following an edit made to a category and came across the user talk page of ToasyCake100. I see a lot of user talk pages of new editors every day but I don't think I've ever seen one with so many notices about incorrect information for images or problems with copyright. I'm really not an expert on files or copyright regulation but I saw you left a notice there for them. I just wonder if there are ongoing problems and more needs to be said to them or if this is a issue that has been addressed. I trust your judgment on this but I thought I'd ask. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: Thank you for asking. I think there is an issue with editor attitude that's starting to reveal itself. They reverted the edit, but this comment speaks of an unwillingness to follow guidelines.

I don't think they do bad work, but it's incomplete work, since they haven't been adding license information–especially since they're adding images of corporate logos, which are almost always copyright and non-free. (There are a few exceptions where the logos are simple shapes and type, so simple that they can't be copyrighted.) Images are a complex area, and while it's good for new editors to want to jump in and help, it's a tricky area, even for seasoned editors. I wonder how they would respond to a message with an offer to help guide them as an editor and teach them how to do things right, since most of the messages on their talk page have been things they've done wrong. —C.Fred (talk) 10:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Corneliu Zelea Codreanu's birth name

I've modified his birth name, because I've found his birth certificate and it's a very reliable source. Cezar Teodosiu (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Cezar Teodosiu: How do we know the blog is reliable? —C.Fred (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

Administrator changes

Tamzin

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• Several areas of improvement collated from community member votes have been identified in the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines. The areas of improvement have been sent back for review and you are invited to provide input on these areas.

Technical news

• Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
• The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

Arbitration

• Remedy 2 of the Rachel Marsden case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to delete or reduce to a stub, together with their talk pages, articles related to Rachel Marsden when they violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For the inspired use of the word retconned. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Morocco national team

Hello! On june 3, the user http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Contributions/196.206.141.78 removed valid information about the national team. If you don’t mind returning the information back. apparently he edited more than once, removing information for example pre independence period. if you see the page before June 2 u can notice everything that went missing. he also deleted top goal scorer record and lots of informatoion. pls check the page before June 1 to notice all the missing. and apologize for all the trouble 88.201.84.224 (talk) 09:11, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Magyaráb people

I am trying to fix this garbage. It's not real. It never was. I wanted to delete it, Spinningspark removed the deletion mark. You reverted my edit despite it merely stated facts. How can anyone remove garbage from this website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:5380:CAD:8801:9561:D586:3321 (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

You must provide reliable sources to back up the origin story you allege for the Magyarab people. —C.Fred (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

But I did. I translated the summary of the 2007 expedition which was already linked from the article, mind you. What else do you need? How can someone prove the nonexistence of something...? 2604:3D08:5380:CAD:8801:9561:D586:3321 (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Your edit did not make clear what your source was.

As far as proving the non-existing of something, if reliable sources say it exists, then you have to find counter-sources to say it doesn't, or otherwise find a way to challenge the sources. —C.Fred (talk) 21:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Clarified what the expedition was. 2604:3D08:5380:CAD:8801:9561:D586:3321 (talk) 21:51, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, there are no reliable sources in the original. Show me what they are! There is nothing! There never was! 2604:3D08:5380:CAD:8801:9561:D586:3321 (talk) 21:51, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

You would be better served to explain why Hansjoachim von der Esch is not a reliable source at the talk page than to remove the citation entirely. —C.Fred (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Golden Child

What do you mean by inside information. You said I can't add inside information to the oublic. Freshboy2216 (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

@Freshboy2216: Right. You cannot add something you know only because your employer told you. Any production credits added to articles need to be based on published reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 23:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism & socks?

Hi C.fred. im very new to wiki, so please excuse me... I noticed that you caught on to some suspicious editing on the Mikey Walsh page. I have reported accounts vandalising the page. both User:Thurlow0391 and Mitchelballbooks1989 seem to be making large and similar amounts of negative changes. they may be both the same account acting maliciously? the Thurlow0391 talk page seems to have already had some notices about aggressive personal opinion based vandalism. I have reported. but not sure how long it takes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charmainetstone93 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1082525276 indicates the Mitchel account claims to be the subject. Not sure whats going on here but several SPAs seem interested in this article.Slywriter (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Review

Hi, i am writing to you to seek advice on an ANI i started recently [7]. I am deeply unsatisfied with the judgement from the admin intervening which is ignoring the founding wikipedia policy and guideline about civility making the false equivalence between criticism over topic (using a WP:ijustdontlikeit) and multiple personal attack (i cannot directly link it, but you can use "20:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)" as the date of his comment to see it). We have in wiki even a template warning stating the stark difference between the two. Since i am a relatively new user i don't know how to proceed in this case. Can i ask some other admin to take a look at it, or can I bring the case here, which is what i have found so far as alternative? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers. --Opencross (talk) 12:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@C.Fred: I think i forgot to ping Opencross (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Opencross: I don't see where there's any administrative action that needs taken. There was some confusion about where a move discussion needed to take place, but it looks like it's under way. Further, what administrative action are you appealing: that nothing was done? Since discussion is still open, there's opportunity for other admins to take action—if they feel it's warranted. —C.Fred (talk) 19:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

About my edits...

About my edits on the Southern States Athletic Conference, what's your problem? jlog3000 (talk) 17:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: Stilted grammar and bad punctuation. —C.Fred (talk) 18:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. But I try my best to make it look legit to a degree. jlog3000 (talk) 18:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Melfort notable persons edit

debatably I'd say a few others don't need to be on there as well. Cal has dedicated over 40 years to Melfort and area. Winning more awards and putting in more time than 60% of the people on that wiki page XxDBF (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@XxDBF: However, there's no article on him and no sources for him. —C.Fred (talk) 19:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Talk

Hey how are you? GuntherVold (talk) 02:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. GuntherVold (talk) 02:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I have something to ask you. GuntherVold (talk) 02:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@GuntherVoid: Ask the question, then. —C.Fred (talk) 02:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Do you like horror films? GuntherVold (talk) 02:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@GuntherVold: Not really relevant. —C.Fred (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

What's that mean? GuntherVold (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I need your help. GuntherVold (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Someone unnecessary merge 2010s and 2020s of the horror film and history of horror films articles can you fix them? GuntherVold (talk) 02:34, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#IP_sockpuppets_of_Jinnifer MrOllie (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@MrOllie: I came to my own independent conclusion about that. Blocked as sockpuppet. —C.Fred (talk) 02:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Awards

I'll give Mariah a tip this year she received a gold and silver category award from another award and no one added anything on the wiki page Chacravartim (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

@Chacravartim: It would help to have the award name and a reliable source for it. —C.Fred (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

New York Festivals TV & Film Award (Gold) Chacravartim (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

You'll need to be more specific. The one I found was for a Christmas special. It's debatable whether that award is for her as the talent or for the production team. —C.Fred (talk) 21:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com.br/search?term=Mariah%20Carey%20&page=1&type=record&max=20&partial=_Results& Chacravartim (talk) 21:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

A lot of that is outside the scope of a list of awards. —C.Fred (talk) 21:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

https://tvfilm.newyorkfestivals.com/Winners/list/ Chacravartim (talk) 21:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

As noted above: is it her award? —C.Fred (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com.br/world-records/472853-most-weeks-at-no-1-in-brazil-single Chacravartim (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Not an award. —C.Fred (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.gerbenlaw.com/trademarks/musicians/mariah-carey/ Chacravartim (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Not awards. —C.Fred (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

deletion

Can you explain to me why did you delete my page (User:Airtransat236/Userboxes/Test1)? i dont remember vandalising this page... Also Thanks for the vandalism fighting on user pages. Airtransat236 (talk | contribs) 16:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Airtransat236: My bad! I missed that you had content there before. I got a little aggressive deleting some IP vandalism. —C.Fred (talk) 17:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Airtransat236 (talk | contribs) 23:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello you have edited a information on Ahad Raza Mir Wikipedia page regarding his divorce.Which is not confirmed.

Mlwbd Movies (talk) 20:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Look into that matter kindly.That source of news was also not very much worthy Mlwbd Movies (talk) 20:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Were you not blocked, I would ask you for more about the source and why you do not think it is reliable. —C.Fred (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Frances Cress Welsing

Dr. Frances Luella Welsing (née Cress; March 18, 1935 – January 2, 2016) was an American psychiatrist and was not a well-known proponent of the Black supremacist melanin theory. Dr. Welsing was not a Black supremacist and you are only expressing your opinion if you're saying she was. Dr. Welsing was a competent and well respected psychiatrist. It is a dis-service and an insult to logical thinkers to force this misinformation to Wikipedia readers. What Black supremist group did Dr. Welsing belong to? When did she ever say that she was a Black supremist. You are shaming her good name if you believe what you are saying and this misinformation has to be stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgreene999 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Jgreene999: She is clearly identified with the melanin theory, and she is cited as referring to white people as "genetically defective". We also have a third-party source for "Black supremacist melanin theory". —C.Fred (talk) 21:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

"genetically defective" only means that white people can not produce any other hue but white. That makes them genetically speaking, defective. This statement does not make a respected medical doctor of psychiatry a Black supremist. If you want to deny that genetically speaking she is wrong, try to make that argument. Genetically speaking, white people can't produce any other hue but themselves no matter who they conceive with. This genetic fact does not make the person who is stating this fact, a Black supremacist, as you say. Jgreene999 (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Likely Sock

Sir, immediately after you partially blocked User:Mahato King, this new user came up [8]. They are removing the same content and a more [9] [10] [11]. Looks like a case of WP:DUCK. I'd request protection of the article. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

User Siggucio

Hi. Unfortunately, user Siggucio doesn't appear interested in discussing things in a civil manner. I think some action might be in order. Homo ergaster (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, C.Fred,

Thank you for restoring Four Rivers Conference (Missouri). I don't know how I missed seeing that this article had been PROD'd before! Well, I guess it's good that admins don't ever claim to be perfect. I try to learn from my mistakes. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Jgreene999

By continuing to waste your time talking to this user, you are giving them a platform to spout their crackpot theories. The user is, at best, WP:NOTHERE, and talking to them is not going to change that. Take a cue from Doug Weller ("Look, this is going nowhere"). Please stop giving them an audience.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Up until their last comment, I was willing to give them some benefit of the doubt. I'm now done with them. —C.Fred (talk) 01:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Since they focused their discussion on race and human abilities, I posted a DS Arb notice on their talk page. Not that it will make any difference but better to notify them that this is a controversial area on the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: Thank you for reminding me that that is an area under DS. If I'd thought of that, I would've tapped the brakes on the conversation sooner. —C.Fred (talk) 03:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23@C.Fred@Liz If I'd seen their claim of extra-sensory perception earlier I would have blocked them. Thanks Bbb23, clearly NOTHERE. Doug Weller talk 07:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Query about old page

Hey! I noticed that a page, User talk:Mustufailed, was protected by you indefinitely (supposedly) at a sysop level. Somehow, this protection has just vanished recently (and therefore came into this category). Do you have any idea why this may have happened? I see no entries in the protection log so I'm not entirely sure what has happened. Aidan9382 _(talk) 15:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aidan9382: Looks like it was deleted in 2008 and undeleted recently. When it was undeleted, it wasn't (re)protected. —C.Fred (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I know I still need sources

II don't like editing source. I am still new, which is why I was reverting it, then editing it and now I have no idea what's gong on. SENT HELP Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I've fixed, btw I still don't like editing sources, and when you reverted my change, I was the the middle on editing and adding sources to my edit. And then idk what happened but that was the most stressful edit ive made to wikipedia. Anyways got it fixed and patched. Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 19:30, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Bruh, lol, anyways do u wanna like talk about my edit so we can work towards a common goal? Because I'm kind of being forced to at this point... so here's the thing I want that section to be added, as I've now changed it. But Ferret reverted it and now my heart rate is a 160. So like I've added more reliable source or... can you please respond???

Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 19:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

On Syro-Malabar Church

Your edits on Syro-Malabar Church are regrettable. There has been a consensus on the talk page about the name of the church. In another discussion related to the date, nobody agreed with 1662 date. My adversary in the edit dispute, namely one Pbritti, is removing more reliable sources and quotes and adding poor and misleading content. The sources which I have added is hands down the best anyone can bring on this topic. Istvan Perczel, for example, is the best expert on Saint Thomas Christians today. Sebastian Brock is scholar of Syriac Christianity. I believe you will correct your mistake. 2402:8100:3900:C20:1F7C:A79B:9D74:8D55 (talk) 16:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I'll wait to see how the discussion resolves on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 19:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Further, I haven't really looked at your edits in the lens of content. I've been looking at conduct. I'm seeing an editor who 1) makes attacking remarks in summaries, 2) is in the range of an IP partial block for long-term abuse and 3) overlaps a blocked/banned editor. Those are three giant strikes against your edits. —C.Fred (talk) 19:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Does that mean that you can misuse your powers to replace the better and scholarly version with a poor and misleading un-encyclopaediac version? What message are you trying to convey! It is harmful to the users who depend on Wikipedia for reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:3906:E5D:DEB:99CE:5B2B:164 (talk) 01:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Consider your next messages carefully. If you engage in good-faith discussions about the article, its sources, and Wikipedia policies, I will assume good faith about you. If you continue with attacks, that will only act to confirm my fears about who is (ab)using these IPs. —C.Fred (talk) 01:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

See, I am only expressing my concern. It is not meant to offend anyone. 1662 cannot be seen as an origin date because of two reasons: first, it is unsourced. No book gives that date and nobody has agreed to that date in discussion. Second, the date is illogical. The schism, that is Coonan Cross Oath, is usually seen as a revolt against Portuguese authority, not Rome. Hence 1662 is not a date of reunion. Meanwhile, you are also removing reputed historians books and articles from citations.2402:8100:3906:E5D:DEB:99CE:5B2B:164 (talk) 02:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.15.202.164 (talk) 02:31, 28 Jun 2022 (UTC)

Again, I am not editing based on content. I am editing as an administrative action to address edits that appear to be abusive or in defiance of blocks or bans. I may very well be removing "reputed historians books and articles from citations", but I'm not taking responsibility for adding the historians, books, or articles without reading them first; I'm just not letting abusive edits stand. —C.Fred (talk) 02:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

I'm sorry, but it is just too much. I mention you in passing so this is just a courtesy notice. While I appreciate your defense of the articles here and me in the case of Classical library, I think it is best if I do not rely on you as a friendly admin, lest an issue arise. Your help has been appreciated sincerely. Let me know if I can ever help you sometime! ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

well, would you look at...

that. In case there was any doubt what they're here for (hint: it's whitewashing) PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:47, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Trolley League

What are you asking for it to be deleted? I have cited sources to show it isn’t false! Dnl.briseno (talk) 21:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dnl.briseno: You also haven't cited sources to show it's significant or important. Not every semi-pro league warrants an article. —C.Fred (talk) 21:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

There are literally hundreds of Semi-pro teams on wiki. I’m at a loss with you speedy deleters… Dnl.briseno (talk) 21:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dnl.briseno: Just because other stuff exists doesn't give you license to create more bad articles. —C.Fred (talk) 21:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

How is it a bad article???? Dnl.briseno (talk) 21:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dnl.briseno: As stated before, there is nothing in the article to indicate how the league is significant or important. —C.Fred (talk) 22:43, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 96.74.77.193 (talk) 07:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello

I see you just blocked the most recent Jinnifer ip account, (and thank you for that). Just before you blocked them, they were repeatedly posting to my tp. It was protected until a few days ago, could I trouble you extend that? Cheers - wolf 14:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild:  Done I've also added your talk page to my watch list, so if it happens again, I'll see it and can protect again. —C.Fred (talk) 14:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

That was quick, thank you - wolf 15:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Likely paid contributor

Much like Esthappanos Bar Geevarghese a short while ago, it looks like there is another Indian Christian paid contributor, Gramam, has been adding high-quality portrait images of Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church bishops. These images appear originally on WikiMedia, so they are not copyright violations. However, the character of the images and method of adding multiple images to each article seems to break the paid contributor standards. Just posted a first-level warning on their talk page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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Arnie Bernstein Alumni Status at Niles West High School

Hi C.Fred! I see that you repeatedly reverted edits to add Arnie Bernstein to the alumni section of Niles West High School. I was doing some research and found some sources that I wanted to run by you to see if you find them acceptable before I added him. 1. Bernstein's Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/RealArnieB/status/1363875003251494914)- While Twitter is not usually an acceptable source, I feel it might be acceptable in this case per WP:TWITTER. 2. Pickinsix Conservations with Ed Tracy (https://www.conversationswithedtracy.com/de-usuris/?offset=1495034149066&category=Books) 2. Chicago Reader (https://chicagoreader.com/arts-culture/in-print-the-history-of-hollywood-on-the-lake/) 3. 1978 Niles West yearbook listing him as a student on pg. 22. (https://s3.amazonaws.com/omeka-net/25609/archive/files/227feebc33c72b532bb5c13fed24b084.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI3ATG3OSQLO5HGKA&Expires=1658966400&Signature=Hx6DcJ7nhndGp%2B14z6BGJ%2FRnqYk%3D) Thanks for any feedback! Wikipedialuva (talk) 23:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Wikipedialuva: The Chicago Reader interview is the one that I think is the most usable. —C.Fred (talk) 02:18, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and add it then, with the Chicago Reader reference and another reference I found after I posted from the Illinois State Library that also states his school. Thanks for the feedback! Wikipedialuva (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

User talk:220.236.117.40

I would suggest revoking TPA, given the blanking has continued. JavaHurricane 15:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Lewandowski

Could you portect Robert Lewandowski? As you can see the transfer market is causing the article to go haywire. Thanks. TylerBurden (talk) 16:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@TylerBurden: I'm looking at the situation and deciding if I need to, and what sort of protection. —C.Fred (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended confirmed might work. TylerBurden (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@TylerBurden: Looking at the editors involved, I had to go full protection. —C.Fred (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunate but I understand that's the only option if people with EC perms are apart of the disruption. Thanks for dealing with it. --TylerBurden (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

No need to block my account. According to several rulings of the European High Court adopted a posteriori by FIFA, the player transferred to another club officially by both parties, can now be considered a new player of the transferred club. The club is obliged to sign a contract with the transferred player by a clause stipulated in the transfer. Please, revert your blocking act. Vicpumu (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@Vicpumu: Do you acknowledge that you edited the article without citing a reliable source? —C.Fred (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I made it very clear from the modification that the two clubs had made an official statement. I don’t mind adding a reference to the two releases Vicpumu (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I will give you a clear example, on the last day of the transfer market period, there are many clubs that make last minute signings. regardless of the contract established with the player, FIFA considers that if the two clubs have reached an agreement and the player agrees to this, the drafting and signing of the subsequent contract is a simple process. Vicpumu (talk) 17:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Please, revert the blocking Vicpumu (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

FC Barcelona

Hi, would you mind undoing this unsourced addition of Lewandowski to the FC Barcelona article? I'm on three reverts. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive edits

Hi, I’m Theoder2055. User:Sathyalingam is continuously making disruptive edits by removing content from List of highest-grossing Tamil films without any explanation. We have warned him several times. I feel for now it’s better to block him from editing. What are you suggesting? Theoder2055 (talk) 11:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: I have blocked the user from editing any articles for one month. They can still request edits via the talk page—but that will require them to communicate, which will be a step in the right direction. —C.Fred (talk) 13:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, now user Prana87 is also continuously making disruptive edits. After several times of warning, that user is still making disruptive edits from the page D Block and Annaatthe. Is it possible to block that user? That user doesn’t even know how to reply to talkpage messages. Theoder2055 (talk) 13:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: They've been warned. For whatever reason they didn't respond, they've now been blocked. —C.Fred (talk) 13:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Even MNWiki845. He is continuously adding unsourced or poorly sourced content in pages like South Africa women's cricket team in England in 2022. We have warned him several times also. Is it possible to block him also? I also suspect that he abusively used multiple accounts like MNWiki846. Theoder2055 (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Saki Fujita

Please can you semi-protect to prevent this from going round in circles? Thanks. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ianmacm: Semiprotected. Not only is it disruptive, but it is also a copyright violation. —C.Fred (talk) 11:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Would you agree that User:GetRektLLLLL is NOTHERE?

I'm seeing dubious assertions not backed up by sources, discussion in edit summary only, edit warring. In this last edit, an acknowledgment of your previous warning was followed by an edit which accomplished the same misdeed. Behavior is quite trollish, possible username vio notwithstanding. Opinion? BusterD (talk) 03:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@BusterD: It's a tricky point with AGF. They stopped after the last warning and haven't made any more edits. I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger on a block, but it would only take one more bad edit. —C.Fred (talk) 11:27, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Marvel

Please do not change the marvel shows from spring summer and fall to early mid and late Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 13:55, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mr ezzat1234: The problem is lack of clarity. When you say "spring", which spring do you mean? "Early 2023" is clear; "Spring 2023" could be as late as December 2023. —C.Fred (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Early 2023 is from January and April Spring 2023 is from 21 March to 21 June People will think the show might launch in January or February like that And also December 2023 is winter not spring Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 14:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mr ezzat1234: December 2023 is the end of spring and the start of summer, for Australians, South Africans, Argentines, and others in the Southern Hemisphere. —C.Fred (talk) 14:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Spring from March 21 to June 21 Fall from September 22 to December 21 Winter from 22 December to 21 March Summer from 21 June to 23 September Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 14:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mr ezzat1234: Only in the Northern Hemisphere. Please review the note right next to the text you keep changing, unless you want to be blocked for persistent violation of the Manual of Style and violating the three-revert rule, which you have already broken. —C.Fred (talk) 14:03, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

People will have trouble between early and spring fall and late and summer and mid Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 14:03, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mr ezzat1234: As is noted at the MOS, "spring" causes far more trouble. —C.Fred (talk) 14:04, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok I apologize I was using the northern hemisphere one I forgot about the Southern Hemisphere Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Btw the didn’t refresh the page so didn’t read your new message Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 14:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

But look what I did is wrong and I won’t do it again sorry Mr ezzat1234 (talk) 14:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

help with editing page of someone I know

Hi there! Thanks for your message. I would appreciate your help. Someone keeps including information about an assault charge that my partner's brother, Doug Haines, got many years ago. He fulfilled the requirements of the court and the charge is no longer on his record. Why can't I delete it from his page? He does not hold public office, and he didn't when the charge occurred, either. MBKramer (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@MBKramer: It was while he was a candidate for public office, so it is relevant to the article, even though he wasn't the incumbent at the time of the incident. As for expungement of the charge from his record, there is no reliable source stating that happened; there are reliable sources stating he was sentenced in a plea deal. —C.Fred (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

It was after the election, so he wasn't technically a candidate. It was 18 years ago, and he has had zero incidents since. It is not on his record (not sure how to verify that, but I can find out). What purpose does its inclusion serve? MBKramer (talk) 21:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Also - thank you very much for engaging in this conversation with me. MBKramer (talk) 21:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

User talk:220.236.117.40

I endorse a CBAN, please. They are at UTRS appeal #61307 now. The IDNHT, The intent to do what they want when they want. They are not compatible. They filed the UTRS after your little chat. Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: I may not get that put together until tomorrow, but I know I've done three blocks on IPs on the user. They're probably de facto banned, but it may not hurt to have discussion for a community ban. —C.Fred (talk) 16:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, de facto CBAN works. The evasion and the three prior UTRS declines, all rolled into current UTRS. Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion over a topic ban for me, and you might wish to participate

The link is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Epiphyllumlover additions of polygamist information.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Anthony Foster

I kindly ask you to restore my page. You have no right to delete it - open a discussion instead - you can't censor information here. Simon Dahman (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Simon Dahman: I will merge it into the already existing draft, but it is not ready for the main encyclopedia. —C.Fred (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

If you're biased then please don't edit - a simple rule. The page you blindly deleted was cited with BBC, ABC, SMH in-depth articles. Simon Dahman (talk) 22:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Simon Dahman: None of which indicated that Foster was significant or important. —C.Fred (talk) 22:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Please restore the page or I have to report you. You are trying to be a dictator here. Simon Dahman (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Simon Dahman: It is restored at Draft:Anthony Foster (activist). You may work on the draft there. —C.Fred (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Simon Dahman (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Dorjee K Thongun for deletion

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Rollback on Club World Cup

Hi, You reverted my edit on the Future FIFA Club World Cup (China). There was no summary or explanation, but it's apparent that it was under "rollback", which is supposed to be used for vandalism and where it's abundantly clear why it's removed. Why did you do this? As I mentioned in my edit - which was summarised - Chelsea being defending champions is irrelevant to that competition. Rambo Apocalypse (talk) 13:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rambo Apocalypse: The edit summary is the problem: "they're certain to lose the title this season" smacks of WP:CRYSTAL, which made the edit appear bad faith. That said, I don't see where other football/soccer competitions have defending champions listed; had the edit summary said you were removing it for consistency with other competition articles, it would have been fine. —C.Fred (talk) 16:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Isn't there something in the Wikipedia rules about how you're supposed to assume good faith? Have they got rid of that rule or does it just not apply to you?

Football articles frequently include the defending champions. The reason for my summary was that they didn't win the UEFA Champions League. Under the format they've used in every edition of the competition they will not qualify and thus cannot defend the title.

Admittedly the format is somewhat up in the air at the moment, so the edit summary overstated the certainty of it but they still shouldn't be on there as defending champions if they may not be able to defend it. Perhaps one could include that they're the current champions.Rambo Apocalypse (talk) 17:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rambo Apocalypse: And that's what "defending champions" implies, with "reigning champions" or "current champions" as alternate forms. —C.Fred (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Seriously? How can they be defending champions if they aren't in the competition to defend the title? Rambo Apocalypse (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rambo Apocalypse: As I said, "current champions" or "reigning champions" may be clearer in that regard. —C.Fred (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Vicpumu - barca 2022-23 season

the question he is asking for keep deleting people edits based on his opinion only barca official website is considered trustworthy website, for an example he keeps deleting his player https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pablo_Torre_(footballer) from barca b team even barca website announced he belongs there just because they didnt update player list name with his name on it!

https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/barca-b/news/2646710/pablo-torre-is-officially-blaugrana 108.30.205.112 (talk) 22:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

he is calling any edits from other users it is unofficial source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.30.205.112 (talk) 22:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

another change I found he did please check transfer summary it is a simple math!! 5+3 = 8 ! with both are sourced he still removed it the club who loaned the player said they paid 3 million with the source included but he changed it back . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.30.205.112 (talk) 22:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Article (about a spouse?)

Hello Fred, You offered to edit my article which was removed for lack of references. The references have been added please tell me where to submit it. Thank you Charna Shapiro Rashi Shapiro Charna shapiro (talk) 00:51, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Charna shapiro: I don't see where I've interacted with you, so I can't give you any advice. Based on messages you've left other users, the best I can say would be to create a draft article by putting "Draft:" at the start of the title, e.g., Draft:Clark Kent, since you appear to be trying to write about a family member. —C.Fred (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).

Administrator changes

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Anthony Appleyard (deceased) • Capitalistroadster • Samsara

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
• An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

Technical news

• The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
• Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

• The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

• You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
• Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
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Crockett High School (Austin, Texas)

Thanks for your edit [12]. There have been at least three years of attempts to add Kellin Duzit to this article as principal or notable alumnus. Likely just some hoax joke ("Duzit" = "Does it") Meters (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

or does he? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale

Hi, it is about these changes/removal of sourced content which looks like POV. Since I do not patrol this article, I thought of notifying you about it. Similar changes on the topic was made by this user in another article which I patrol. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Request for undeletion

Kindly please restore this article Sukkur Electric Power Company it was deleted by you on (8 March 2014)[13], This is an notable article, this Electric Company supplys electricity to million of people in Pakistani province of Sindh. 103.141.159.229 (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

There was nothing in the article to indicate the company was significant or notable. If it is, you may start a page at Draft:Sukkur Electric Power Company, and if that's up to standards, I'll move it to the main encyclopedia. —C.Fred (talk) 15:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI...

Not sure if you've seen yet or not, but see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LastEdit2008 in regards to KevinInAMinivan. Magitroopa (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Could you help reporting the vandalism of WOJOK6 to administrator on Lango Article

Please could you assist in reporting one editor Wojok6 who goes around removing edits from various articles and does not listen? Lango is not exclusively a Luo language although wrongly grouped that way. It is a mixture of other dialects. Wojok6 deletes every time editors are improving the article.Ngunalik (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:25, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ngunalik: I don't see evidence that they're editing in bad faith, so you'll need to discuss the matter at the related articles' talk pages. —C.Fred (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

COI contribution to article

Hello I posted information about my great grandad and have the family tree and a photo archive I would like to upload but that will take time . Please consider undeleting my initial edit. Joe childs definitely had a second family and we are known to the curators of the racing museum where we have donated sone of his items. Best wishes ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Childsfam (talk • contribs) 21:45, 20 Aug 2022 (UTC)

@Childsfam: Please review WP:No original research. The information that you add to articles must come from published reliable sources, not from your personal research. —C.Fred (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive User

User:Nickiandyeoutsold has been warned on multiple occasions that his vandalism, self-made information and lack of adding proper citations can get him blocked and he persists. He also has been warned against personal attacks on editors and nevertheless, he persists. Seeing as though you were someone who once warned him, I’m asking that further actions be taken against this user including a possible blocking. He has been blocked before and learned nothing from it. I don’t think this user will change. Zvig47 (talk) 17:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Rename old article

https://m.thewire.in/article/law/calling-people-harijan-or-dhobi-is-offensive-supreme-court The name dhobi is a court banned name, how can we write it as an article title, and I have changed this page only after taking formal permission from Wikipedia admins a year ago and compiling this information in my talk page, how can a new admin change this without any reason and they should change it themselves. Baba God (talk) 05:17, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Baba God: None of that was cited specifically in your change. You'll still need to request the move at the article's talk page and get community consensus; admins do not grant permission to move a page, and certainly not a year in advance. —C.Fred (talk) 03:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the page under Rajak(caste) title after taking formal permission a year ago, all those who have changed this are new admins should see it, and I have also raised a complaint that many people are changing this page except admins, on the basis of which the page has been protected. http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Dhobi Baba God (talk) 05:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I humbly request that the article be changed to the real name Baba God (talk) 05:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Baba God: As stated above, you'll need to initiate a request at Talk:Dhobi. —C.Fred (talk) 03:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Peter Dragone - Co-Founder of Keurig Inc

Hi,

My name is Hans van Putten and I have a few questions regarding Peter Dragone, Co-Founder of Keurig Inc.

I am his business partner and trying to sort out his Wikipedia listing.

A while ago his details were published to Wikipedia, but somehow, they disappeared. 

I found his page again here: Peter Dragone - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How come is Peter not on wikipedia.com and how come is his name on the Keurig page (Keurig - Wikipedia) not linked?

I would be very grateful if you could let us know how to rectify this.

On behalf of Peter Dragone,

Thanks very much

Hans van Putten

p.s. Please check out our company here (Our Team - WWLC - WorldWide Local Connect Inc.) to verify that I actually am who I say I am. Puttenh (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Puttenh: For whatever reason, no article about him has been created. Because you are his business partner, you have a conflict of interest and should not create the article yourself. You may put in a request at WP:Articles for creation. —C.Fred (talk) 17:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. If peter Dragone himself creates the article would that be OK or does it have to be an independent 3rd party?

Does any 3rd party work or do you have someone, in other words if I, or Peter send an article to the wp.Articles link you mention would that be OK?

Tks

Hans Puttenh (talk) 18:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Puttenh: It is as bad, or worse, if Dragone creates the article about himself. There should be a list at WP:AFC for articles to be created. That's a way to invite an independent third party to create the article. —C.Fred (talk) 18:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Ah OK, will do. Thanks again for the pointers! Best, Hans Puttenh (talk) 18:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested_articles#Biography PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Important

@C.Fred: I don’t know what to do. The same user Sathyalingam has again started. He is adding unsourced or poorly sourced content in Ponniyin Selvan: I. I have also reverted it and warned him but despite that he still continues. Already he blanked out and removed portions of page content in List of highest grossing Tamil films for which also I warned and now he started adding unsourced material in that page. Will he again make disruptive edits? The problem is that he is not explaining his contributions in the edit summary. Theoder2055 (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Categories for deletion

Please could you tell me how to nominate a category for deletion or get a category deleted? I looked it up but still don't understand. An editor created the category Category:Films directed by Duncan McLachlan even though they knew her name was actually Dee, as evidenced by the page history. I've just created the category Category: Films directed by Dee McLachlan. I've blanked the wrong category and put the movies in that category into the correct one. That other category shouldn't exist. Stephanie921 (talk) 18:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

@Stephanie921: You're looking for WP:Categories for Discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 03:33, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Stephanie921 (talk) 03:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

For this excellent dad joke. PICKLEDICAE🥒 00:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

How would you feel if I applied indef EC on Sidhu Moose Wala

Such has been suggested at RFPP and it seems to meet the criteria. Thought I'd ask somebody familiar with the ground. I'm wary of indeffing anything, but since the page is already indef semi... BusterD (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

You not being handy in the moment, I split the infant and applied one year EC with a note in the log to revert this back to indef semi if EC is not required or desired. BusterD (talk) 17:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@BusterD: I guess we can also see what happens over the next year and after: if the protection needs upgraded further, or if the EC needs to be indef. —C.Fred (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Removal

Why did you remove my quote you are from Georgia what do you know about my village 2A00:23C7:B493:301:D007:D19C:8F10:639A (talk) 12:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

It's your responsibility to cite a reliable published source that can be used to verify the information. You didn't. —C.Fred (talk) 12:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive edits

@C.Fred: Also another thing this user Rohithhs200 is continuously making disruptive edits despite several warnings. Is it possible to block him? Theoder2055 (talk) 11:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: They haven't infringed again since their final warning. —C.Fred (talk) 15:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@C.Fred: Even if we doesn’t warn him he will afterwards start making disruptive editing after we stop warning. So we don’t know when he will continue the same. But that’s up to your wish if do you think this user stopped making edits which constitutes vandalism. Theoder2055 (talk) 15:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

@C.Fred: Is if possible to start the sockpuppet investigation of User:ArvindPalaskar. An IP has reported to me that User:ArvindPalaskar is a sockpuppet of User:NavjotSR in my talk page. Is that true? I suggest to investigate as soon as possible and it’s better to reply me also. Theoder2055 (talk) 11:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: If you feel there's sufficient evidence, you can go ahead and open the report. —C.Fred (talk) 11:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: The IP's report looks bad faith. I don't see where a SPI would get any traction. —C.Fred (talk) 12:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: Thanks for pinging me. The IP who reported it to you is Deepika o the long term abuser who has now attracted the attention of dozens of users dedicated to catch and report him. I would say you should read WP:DFTT and ignore this sock from now. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 12:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: I have to agree with ArvindPalaskar, having taken a closer look at both users. The IP definitely made a bad-faith accusation of sockpuppetry. Yeah, there's topic overlap, but that's coincidence. —C.Fred (talk) 12:28, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@ArvindPalaskar: then what about the account User:NavjotSR?

Did you use that account?

Theoder2055 (talk) 12:27, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: They're under no obligation to answer that question. This admin doesn't see any need to pursue further investigation of sockpuppetry there. The activity of the IP, on the other hand… —C.Fred (talk) 12:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055, ArvindPalaskar, and NavjotSR:, and, of course, C.Fred: I too got talk page messages from the same IP editor about this, and I totally agree with C.Fred. Unfortunately, though, the IP edits are spread across a wide IPrange, with large amounts of unrelated editing, so blocking is not an option. JBW (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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FAR for Norwich City F.C.

I have nominated Norwich City F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 13:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale

Your are wrong with restoring the wrong information sourced to Lulu.com [14] (a depreciated self-published unreliable source) by relying on a footnote from this unreliable source over here.

The actual reliable sources note his birth date to be 2 June, 1947 such as this reliable source, The Tribune,[15] this scholarly book which was written by scholar Khushwant Singh, and more.

I expect you to self revert on my talk page where you accused me of vandalism and also on the article where you have reverted me over this dating, as well as update your comment on ANEW report. Srijanx22 (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Srijanx22: Neither the News9Live piece nor the Singh book were cited in your version of the page. I could change it from an error warning to an unsourced warning, if you really prefer. —C.Fred (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Still no "vandalism" happened, thus the warning should be removed. I knew that 2 June is the correct date and this is why I was doing the blanket revert. If it was going to be challenged like now then I would be surely backing up myself, just like I have. With the sources I have provided here and on talk page, I don't think that this should be considered "unsourced" anymore. But if you self-revert yourself then I will add the source in a matter of a few minutes. Srijanx22 (talk) 20:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Srijanx22: The mention of vandalism is in the standard text for uw-error2. I don't see a need to change it. —C.Fred (talk) 20:30, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Fine but I also asked you to self-revert here so that I can quickly add the source to birth date. It may seem as if I am edit warring against you if I reverted you. Srijanx22 (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Srijanx22: Better yet, propose the change to the date of birth at the article's talk page. I'll be glad to review it and make the edit there. —C.Fred (talk) 21:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Another Sockpuppet case

Hello @C.Fred: I have noticed User:Sathyalingam edits and he is also adding unsourced or poorly sourced content. He mainly edit on Ajith Kumar and Vijay’s films. Ajith Kumar and Vijay are top stars in Tamil cinema and have so many fans in Tamil cinema. This user is also big fan of them. He is also one among the Sockpuppets of User:Valimai, User:Nerkonda Paarvai, User:Thalapathybeast, User:Valimai Ajithkumar, User:VeeraVijayapandi, User:ThalaAjithkumar as these users are also big fans of Ajith Kumar and Vijay and they also change the box office collection without citing a reliable source. You can say that he is introducing incorrect information into articles. But what I noticed that Sathyalingam’s edits is similar to them. If you want you can check his contributions. Theoder2055 (talk) 07:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

One evidence is that in pages like Beast (2022 Indian film), Varisu, Valimai and other Ajith Kumar and Actor Vijay’s films these users make disruptive edits by making unconstructive edits and adding unsourced or poorly sourced content in those pages. They also got warned for that as well. Theoder2055 (talk) 07:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Boaters

Hi @C.Fred, wanted to discuss my edit on boater hats. Part of why I use Wikipedia is the why of things and I had to do some research as to why boater hats are used at conventions - @Lacimoore1 Lacimoore1 (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lacimoore1: The place for discussion like that is the article's talk page (Talk:Boater). I hadn't seen your edit until you left this message. —C.Fred (talk) 13:23, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I have an unrelated question you might be able to answer quickly, why can’t pictures with citations be shared? I’ve read in several places “only original pictures “ or “permission only” why is that a picture can’t be posted if it’s cited? Lacimoore1 (talk) 15:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Lacimoore1: The goal of Wikipedia is to be a free encyclopedia; therefore, we minimize the amount of content we use that is not free (i.e., under restrictive copyrights). Images can be used relatively liberally if they are free images: if they are in the public domain or under a free license such as Creative Commons. If they are not free, then the much more restrictive guidance of WP:Non-free content criteria comes into play. At that point, there has to be a compelling reason to use the non-free image: this typically means there isn't a possible way to replace it with a free image. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hazaras

Hi respectful C.Fred, My edit on the Hazaras article is based on contemporary genetic research, and many sources have clearly stated that the Hazaras are more closely related to the Turkic people of Central Asia than to East Asia and the Mongolians. Regards--Iampharzad (talk) 04:31, 4 September 2022 (UTC) Iampharzad (talk) 04:31, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The user KoizumiBS disputes the article by providing several old and second-hand sources, and changes in content with authoritative sources already included in the article. These actions of his are said to be a type of racism. Thank You--Iampharzad (talk) 05:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Iampharzad: First, the content of your edits and the sources you use need to be discussed on the article talk. Second, KoizumiBS is adding sources that they start are more up to date. I don't see any evidence of bad-faith edits. Be very careful with accusations like racism against other editors; baseless accusations and accusations without evidence may be treated as personal attacks. —C.Fred (talk) 13:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@C.Fred: Right, I got your point, but the source I added is much more up-to-date. Thanks a lot--Iampharzad (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

References

@Iampharzad: The source you added was published in 2011. You unreasonably deleted 2019 and 2020 sources.--KoizumiBS (talk) 11:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Iampharzad: Based on the above message, you will need to explain on the article's talk page, and get consensus there, for your changes. —C.Fred (talk) 13:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Respectful administrator @C.Fred: Yes that's right. Thank--Iampharzad (talk) 06:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Revert of the change

It's not allegations which i added on Sandeep Lamichhane page. The rape case has been already filed and the investigation is going on now.[16] DIVINE (talk) 19:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

That is exactly allegations. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I get it, but after Nepal Police registered the case, there are no longer any allegations? I just wanted to add my references and contribution to the article rather than push it. DIVINE (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

It's allegations until there is a conviction. Investigations happen all the time, and often come to different conclusions than the allegations that led to them. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

That is why I also added the controversies and the allegations there. DIVINE (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@DIVINE: Wikipedia is not a tabloid or newspaper. We do not report every complaint made against a notable person. Yes, the charges are serious, but at this time the only thing of substance is an allegation. If the case leads to formal charges and goes to trial, then we may be at the point where it's worth mentioning--or if he were to be held out of matches or suspended as a result of the charges. In the latter case, clearly we can see how the charges would directly affect him.

Rape is a serious allegation, and WP:BLP demands that we get it right. If we're going to err, we need to err on the side of leaving it out of an article, rather than putting it in prematurely or otherwise improperly. —C.Fred (talk) 20:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Zeta Tau Alpha

Hello C.Fred. I'd support leaving those alumnae in among the notables from Zeta Tau Alpha. They probably merit articles of their own, and the lack of such articles is likely the reason you deleted those names. It would have been more helpful to advise that biographical WP articles ought to have been written first, and then they'd be reasonable additions, rather than just deleting them. I doubt that the editors writing this page understood your rationale for deletion. Frankly, a dean of a university is more noteworthy, to my mind, than a Miss USA pageant winner. But WP is rife with articles for those seeking publicity. Jax MN (talk) 05:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jax MN: Yes, I could've mentioned WP:WTAF in the edit summary—but that assumes the editors who added the names would read edit summaries or talk page messages. Some of the probably could be notable, you're probably right. —C.Fred (talk) 19:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Birth date rajacenna

Please stop removing my daughters wrong birth date on wikipedia!!!!!! How on earth do you know??!!! I am her mother and I think I should perfectly know I gave birth to her on 24 january 1993!!!!!!! NOT 1994!!!!! Please correct this!!!! Sometimes things you read in the media is wrong you know: even birth dates!!!!! Plus in the mean time she have been featured as quadridextrous artist who is able to draw 6 drawings with both feet and hands and has done an EEG brain scan on national German television that show rare activity in her brain as leading neurofeedback (also tv expert) expert Bill Scott analysed. Can someone update this. Because she has been all over the world in national media and has to been added to the external part. Thank you Jacera (talk) 04:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jacera: WP:Reliable sources is Wikipedia policy and requires a published source. Further, you should not be editing your daughter's article due to your conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 11:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

List of Ahmadis‎

It's actually vandalism, intentionally adding offensive slurs. If it were a BLP, it's bad enough that it might merit rev-del. DMacks (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@DMacks: Yeah, I didn't catch that until I looked at the IP's user contributions after reverting. —C.Fred (talk) 20:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

FYI

Regarding your recent sock blocks here and here, another apparent sock has already emerged here; the IP geolocates to the same region as the blocked IP. Please let me know if you think another SPI case is required. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Closely related, I want to let you know that I've been tagging them after you block them: [17], [18]. Thanks for all your help with this. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Happy Seventeenth First Edit Day!

Hey, C.Fred. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 19:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

IP

Hey, thank you for blocking this IP. I mean, this IP took it a little farther than expected and made me sweat... 😅 Sarrail (talk) 01:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sarrail: Which is another reason I made sure to leave a message on your talk page, so there's something in the history to say you were on the right side of things. —C.Fred (talk) 01:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

User:Stueckelberg

I see that you have blocked this user as a sock. Can you give a link to the sockpuppet investigation? Xxanthippe (talk) 23:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC).

@Xxanthippe: The user page is already tagged. —C.Fred (talk) 00:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, there seems to be an extensive structure of socks. I have no problem with your block. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC).

And now another one: [19]. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I can't help noticing that, after [20], the sock said this: [21]. Note the use of the first person, which is exactly what the sockmaster did. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

for a fix! 85.238.101.64 (talk) 01:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

And one more fix, if you don't mind I'll invite you to connected discussion at my talk page via ping. 85.238.101.64 (talk) 12:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Jaime Lagunez

Hello C.Fred...several points have been made in favor of definitely keeping the article. Indeed, image should be added. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:104E:C:1B11:E1DD:E4D6:8AEF:C650 (talk) 18:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

The issue remains that the claims aren't backed up with reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 18:51, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring

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Libertarian Party of Virginia

At this point, I think semi-protection may be in order. The SPAs just won't let up. 25stargeneral (talk) 23:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@25stargeneral: Agreed. It's semiprotected through midterms. —C.Fred (talk) 03:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Pcmacdon

Re: IPP web page

Thanks for your lightening fast admin!

We (ecaden and I) have a bit of an issue. It was ok that you renamed

   https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Canadian_institute_of_particle_physics

to

   https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Institute_for_Particle_Physics

But our original attempt got stuck in draft:

  https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Institute_of_Particle_Physics

Is there an easy way to clean things up and just go back to that name so we can change the "for" back to "of"?

Thanks, Peter Pcmacdon (talk) 14:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pcmacdon:  Done I have merged the old draft history into the article's history, and I have moved it back to "of". I don't know how I missed that when I did the initial cleanup. Comment dit-on brainfart en français? 😂 —C.Fred (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Awesome, and thank-you. Pcmacdon (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Craig overton

I gave a valid reason? Southernraider (talk) 21:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Southernraider: An insufficient reason. —C.Fred (talk) 21:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Why’s it insufficient Southernraider (talk) 21:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

When it’s actually the facts if you look into it Southernraider (talk) 21:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Southernraider: I'll grand that the article needed expanded to add clarity to why he get suspended, which is why I added more of an explanation. —C.Fred (talk) 00:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

But he didn’t get charged for being racist? So how is he racist? Southernraider (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

So you are allowed to add things, I’m taking it out as it’s all wrong! And I’m getting told off for it? Southernraider (talk) 06:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Southernraider: It's not "all wrong", and the article has been refined further to clarify that what he was found guilty of (or whatever term the tribunal uses) was just abusive language, not racist. —C.Fred (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you not think that contradicts itself, the word allegedly needs to be in there if it stays like that.. , even one of the sources uses the word allegedly Southernraider (talk) 19:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Are title casing rules enforced when a work's own title explicitly violates them?

Hello,

I saw you reverted this recent edit I made to adhere with the WP MOS: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Too_Short_a_Season&type=revision&diff=1118453595&oldid=1118453191

I assume that specifically this refers to the MOS's section on title casing? Of course normally the "a" should be lowercased but this specific title intentionally breaks those rules, as shown in official sources like IMDB, Memory Alpha, and the episode's own title card. From the title card it appears the work's creators intentionally chose to capitalize the "A" and many official sources follow that unusual casing. Does a work's own casing of its title win out over general title casing rules or not? The MOS mentions possible exceptions "when a significant majority of current, reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently capitalize, in the title of a specific work", but that exception might only apply when the word isn't being used as a preposition, which it is in this case.

I've made very few edits to Wikipedia so forgive my ignorance. This seems like a funny edge case that could be instructive and would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks! Varenc (talk) 03:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

"The Phantom (game system" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect The Phantom (game system and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 27#The Phantom (game system until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Negar Mortazavi

I'm not sure why you removed the "criticism" section claiming the facts to be unfounded. Both "Hossein Ronaghi" and "Majid Tavakoli" are well-known political activists and the criticism raised by them is well-founded. Please refer to the "references". I understand you're referring to the "Living Person" section of (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Criticism) and it's a valid point; however, the criticism here is from "Reliable sources" and is"Neutral; hence, abides by the rules of Wikipedia. Satia 08:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saeedpilot (talk • contribs)

@Saeedpilot: You'll need to make a case at the talk page why the opinion of one of those activists warrants a mention in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 12:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

David Oyelowo protection

Thanks for the protection on the David Oyelowo article. This IP user has been a pain on serial commas for a while now, forcing them in to lead sections when against the consistency of the rest of the article. He has been following the same pattern of behaviour at Mark Rylance and See How They Run (2022 film) too, just for your info. Thanks again. - 109.153.36.104 (talk) 08:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Getting a nickname unlocked

I use the nickname Kompressor across most sites. It says it's not available here but when you go to the user:page for it, it says it doesn't exist. Is there any way to get it unlocked to be re-registered? 97.112.217.211 (talk) 21:28, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

It's in use at pl.wiki. You might want to create an account at another name and then make a change username request: the functionaries there may be able to assist with the account elsewiki. —C.Fred (talk) 21:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

The comma disruptor

Regarding the person who disrupted the Mark Rylance article and others, I just detonated a range bomb on 2600:100f:b000::/40. It's the latest in a series of blocks with reasons including "block evasion" and "CheckUser", and the general level of disruption indicated that forceful measures were called for. Favonian (talk) 16:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Favonian: Thank you. I feel comfortable dropping /64s in IP6 land, not so much going wider, but definitely a wider-scale action was called for. —C.Fred (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Marjorie Franklin

Hi, I see you removed Marjorie Franklin from the list of psychologists and asked me to explain why she is important. First I do not see others defending on the talk page why they put someone one the list so I wondered why you do want that for her?

But to answer your question: Her theory of planned environmental therapy and the Q camp projects are important antecedents to the later formed therapeutic community movement. She also helped establish an at that time important institute that did research into criminal behaviour.

REGIW (talk) 16:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@REGIW: The criteria of the list state that individuals have to be either significant psychologists (which she, definitionally, is not) or they have to have made significant contributions to the field of psychology. —C.Fred (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

What would be the inclusion cut off be for you? There seems to be no clear answer for this because there are multiple persons featured on this list which are on a comparable level of significance/notability as Franklin. Adding everyone who is identified as a psychologist would not be sensible, but when a person passes the notability criteria of Wikipedia that should already give an idea of that person's place in psychology right? And if we would be too stringent then we would be left with a list of only the 'great psychologists' giving a distorted picture of the field of psychology. REGIW (talk) 11:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@REGIW: This would be a good thing to discuss at the talk page of the list and get consensus on. —C.Fred (talk) 12:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

assistance administrator

Hello this user * Fixingtrolls01 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) initiated an edit warring against me and other users on the page of Yevgeny Prigozhin and ignore any warning. Can you help us with that. thank you I gave my 3 reverts and don't have time to deal with this. Beibler (talk) 00:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

RAS Syndrome

I've made a solid case as to why DC Comics is not a redundant acronym. There are even non-examples listed on the page itself that are identical in principle, IE OPEC Countries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.70.2.200 (talk) 20:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

"Similarly, "OPEC countries" are two or more member states of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, whereas "OPEC" by itself denotes the overall organization."

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Similarly, "DC Comics" are a product sold by Detective Comics, whereas "DC" by itself denotes the overall organization. 198.70.2.200 (talk) 21:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Those would be good matters to discuss at the article's talk page, to try to build consensus, since the prevailing consensus is to include DC Comics on the list. —C.Fred (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah but facts aren't democratic. It's factually not a redundant acronym, by definition of redundant 198.70.2.200 (talk) 13:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The consensus disagrees, and Wikipedia operates on consensus. —C.Fred (talk) 16:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The 'consensus' against my edits has literally been one guy. Kompress0 (talk) 18:37, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Well...

...they didn't make it hard to figure out who they are while there were sock/evading with their new account... - wolf 03:38, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi C.Fred, I see that you blocked User:Kompress0 from RAS syndrome because they are making disruptive edits similar to the ones they made when they were editing under the now-blocked User:198.70.2.200 and User:97.112.206.67. Kompress0 is now making the same disruptive edit on Mosquitofish as they had repeatedly made under the two IP accounts. I think Kompress0 should be blocked from Mosquitofish too, or just blocked entirely to match the IP blocks. This is the second account they've used to evade the original block that was imposed on User:97.112.206.67. CodeTalker (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

But the only reason I was blocked in the first place was reverting the reversions of my valid edits. Kompress0 (talk) 18:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

"Valid edits" is determined by the community, not the individual declaring them so. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Well I made a case, with sources, as to why it's not. wolfchild just ignored it and continued edit warring, because edit warring takes two. Kompress0 (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

You may also want to read WP:EVADE before continuing to edit while your other accounts are blocked. CodeTalker (talk) 18:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

So when do Jacona and wolfchild get their blocks for edit warring? Kompress0 (talk) 18:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

They're claiming an exemption under WP:3RRNO #3. Are you sure you want to go further down that path? —C.Fred (talk) 19:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes Kompress0 (talk) 20:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:BLPTALK breach

Hi, you may have seen but I wanted to draw your attention to this post on the Jeremy Griffith Talk page by the IP user whose edits to the main page you reverted in October, describing them as “Bias and non-NPOV; edit summaries make clear IP has an axe to grind with subject”. The Talk page post seems a pretty clear breach of WP:BLPTALK, defamatory etc.

Schnitzelking (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for John Y. Brown Jr.

On 23 November 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Y. Brown Jr., which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 19:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The comma disruptor, part 2

Hi, Just to let you know that the serial comma disruptor that you and Favonian dealt with previously has been active once again at the Mark Rylance article. Best - 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:91B9:3690:60E4:BF92 (talk) 22:56, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:43, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

San Francisco Mayors race

Hi fred C all the other San Francisco Mayors race pages have political party's so it fine to add political party's why did you revert them 2603:8001:2902:64F4:4517:E4B6:A397:EAED (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Because you have not gained consensus for those changes. —C.Fred (talk) 02:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

all the other pages have political partys 1987 to 2009 2603:8001:2902:64F4:4517:E4B6:A397:EAED (talk) 02:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

C. Fred

I'm gonna change it to what's right so plz smd and leave me alone DTM272 (talk) 09:10, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@DTM272: Make sure it is verifiable. —C.Fred (talk) 12:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Donner60 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)}}

Donner60 (talk) 01:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings from Iggy the Swan

Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 09:50, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Why did you change my edit?

He was clearly caught look it up 207.155.88.162 (talk) 03:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Coniston

Is it normal practise to put in the region today or the region then? On the Giza Pyramids page it puts the region down as 'Greater Cairo' https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Giza_pyramid_complex DJC647 (talk) 10:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@DJC647: It depends on the subject. The Giza Pyramids are described based on where they are now; their construction is described based on where it occurred at the time of the construction. For people, the names of regions at the time of their birth or other event is what we go with. —C.Fred (talk) 13:23, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok DJC647 (talk) 16:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, C.Fred!

Happy New Year!

C.Fred,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Edits to Bogota article

Mr. C. Fred, with the utmost sincerity I would clarify that I in no means meant to be harmful in the edits I made to Bogota, but with all due respect, I must admit my confusion as to why you removed the edits I made to the Bogota page, despite the fact that I cited my sources and even explained how they prove the points which I updated in the Bogota intro section. For example the page mentions the World cities ranking from 2014, even though this is not the most recent ranking, while the information that I updated contains the World cities ranking from 2021. I would have thought that adding more updated information would not only increase the level of content in the article, but also provided a more updated insight into the city. Which is why I really must ask the point of removing my edits. Lastly I would ask you to please take a look as the source which have been cited by me, as they Cleary demonstrate my point. There is no rule that says new information (which has been cited) cannot be added to the article as long as it is not biased, untruthful, which displays personal opinions, and is false. None of which where included in the section I added to the article. Which is why I would respectfully ask you to reconsider removing the information I added to this articl again. If you would very much like, you may certainly take a look at the sources I cited to see that the information is not only truthful, but historically accurate, and give you more insights into the city. I welcome you to make the edits you feel necessary in the wording of certain words in the section, but please as a matter of personal respect, recognize the worth of the information I have added and do not simply delete, as it can be proven by multiple sources such as the World Bank and Gawc 2018 cities ranking. Please respond if you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:19BB:2A55:E762:F435 (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I ask you if you truly feel the need to change some of the information I added to the article (even if it is certain words) please talk to me and therefore we can discuss a better solution, but as a matter of personal respect please do not simply delete them, as I mentioned before they can be proven by multiple sources, which I researched before editing the article. But I believe you will find that the information is quite valid and more up to date, however if you still have any questions about the information I added please let me know. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:19BB:2A55:E762:F435 (talk) 23:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, I appreciate it. 2600:4040:2A94:4000:19BB:2A55:E762:F435 (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Sock

After your semi-protection on that article expired, one of the IP socks of User:Deucalionite started to disrupt the article again. Can you take a look? Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ktrimi991 I saw it and blocked the IP. —C.Fred (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. They will almost certainly use another IP to target the article, maybe some semi-protection will be needed later again. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ktrimi991 I'd say that Daniel Case has taken care of that matter. —C.Fred (talk) 01:49, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Now that I took a look at the article's history, the socks started to target it more than a year ago! So stubborn. Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Zhang Lei (investor)

Hi C.Fred. I disclosed a conflict of interest and requested some edits, tweaks, corrections, etc. to the Zhang Lei (investor) page here. I saw that you were an accountant (the page is about a person involved in venture capital investing in China) and thought I'd see if you'd be willing to review the suggested edits and let me know which ones you feel would improve the page as an impartial editor. Hope you can help. Best regards. Phil2600 (talk) 00:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)