Template talk:WikiProject Novels/Archive 1

Archive 1

Discussion of the template

I'm not sure if this has been talked about before or not. Would it be possible to add to the {{Novelinfoboxneeded}} template the {{NovelsWikiProject}} template to reduce the amount of space taken up on a talk page? Grey Shadow 14:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hear what you are saying - the way the Auto lists are developing the situation is changing currently. I would suggest we wait before making too many changes to these for the moment. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Given that Template:WPBiography has an infobox-needed parameter which adds a similar box, it's certainly possible. (It also has, in my opinion, a better way of dealing with the /Comments page which shows different text if one exists.) It uses some hairy syntax, but if anyone could port those features to this template, it would be a definite improvement. grendel|khan 06:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I had a quick look at the syntax... It's beyond my skills. Grey Shadow | Talk 06:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Remival of detrimental item

I removed the "tasks you can do" item from the template. The template include into hundreds of talk pages and this makes it extremely difficult to use the "what links here" function for items listed in the {{WikiProject Novels announcements}}. `'mikka 06:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

yes, but there is no need to use this functionality that I am aware of, as you can get an extremely similer list by checking out Category:WikiProject Novels articles. Returned "to do list" code. If this still needs change, please debate the change first. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Fix Template:NovelsWikiProject for compatibility with Template:WikiProjectBannerShell

Resolved

 – False alarm; ignore

{{NovelsWikiProject}} is not fully compatible with {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} yet. Try the following code in a sandbox to see the "misbehavior" in action:

{{WikiProjectBannerShell|1=
 {{NovelsWikiProject|class=Stub|imporance=Low|nested=yes}}
}}

Namely, when class=stub, {{NovelsWikiProject}} pops up a custom messagebox below the project banner, which interferes with the proper appearance of the BannerShell; this needs to be handled the same way that the needs-photo=yes, etc., ones are for {{WPBiography}}. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Tried the test in both IE and Firefox and a fail to see the problem, must be just me but I will need a few more pointers. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Woops, it wasn't this template it was Template:Film putting a box above itself. D'oh. Sorry for the false alarm. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

19th century task force

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I've just started up the 19th century task force and would like to include a parameter for the task force in the template. The coding is as below, ideally placed in between "Science fiction" and "Australian".
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{{#ifeq:{{{19thC-task-force|}}}|yes|
{{!}} [[Image:Feather.svg|40px|center]]
{{!}} This {{#ifeq:{{{class|}}}|NA|non-article page|article}} is supported by the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/19th century task force|19th century task force]]''', which deals with 19th-century novel (prose) articles. [[Category:19th century novels task force articles|{{PAGENAME}}]]
}}

Once this parameter is set up, I'll also set up information on the Project banner, and anywhere else in WP:NOVELS that's appropriate. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 16:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

If an admin could do this one nice and promptly that would be appreciated. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Y Done - Nihiltres^{t.l} 15:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Shannara task force

Can someone remove the link to the Shannara portal in the template? There is nothing in the portal, and hads no use in the template.... at least that's what I think. Am I wrong? the_ed17 02:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, now at least something is there. the_ed17 05:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

C-class

{{editprotected}} Does anyone have any idea why C-class (i.e. C-class) does not work? See The Elfstones of Shannara or King of the Silver River. If an administrator could fix the problem, that would be helpful...hence the {{editprotected}} template. the_ed17 04:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Second thought...if an administrator could add C-class to the template, that would be dandy...I didn't realize that it did not support C-class. Thanks in advance! the_ed17 05:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done Should work now. I've tested it on a few pages. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 07:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thank you very much! the_ed17 18:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Template class not working correctly

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As the main architect of this template it gets a little difficult to change / correct now it is protected (oh well). Would an admin be able to correct this template with the code found at User:Kevinalewis/TemplateTemp. It has been changed mainly to correct the handling of Templates which were being put into "Unassessed" categories. Also the shared "Australian task force" with the Australian literature wikiproject has not been coded to assist in assigning the tagged article to the correct categories. This is now added. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 11:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

updated. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Finer changes needed

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Having got rid of the bigger problems; it has revealed a few more minor problems. If this exercise could be done again it would fix them. Would an admin be able to correct this template with the code found at User:Kevinalewis/TemplateTemp. (it corrects some handling of "disambig", "image", "redirect" & "portal"s and fixes two categories used. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 10:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 Done J.delanoy^gabs_adds 23:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

One small bug to get rid of

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Despite my care and concern I introduce a small bug. Three small "|" characters to be precise. If someone can be so kind, thanks. Again the code found at User:Kevinalewis/TemplateTemp. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 06:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 Done. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

New task force to add

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The project has added a new task force "Twilight" which needs supporting by the template and adding as above from the code in User:Kevinalewis/TemplateTemp. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that - only thing is a I got a capitalisation wrong. One character and it had to be a key one. Should work fine with this small correction. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 21:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Small display bug

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Uh, the banner now seems to be adding the Twilight task force by default to every talk page it's on; check out Talk:Dune (novel) and Talk:Advise and Consent, both definitely not Twilight novels ;) — TAnthony^Talk 02:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I checked The Sword of Shannara, and it's fine. Dune seems unaffected. However, Advise and Consent is weird... —the_ed17— 02:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Only a display of "Twilight" in the text of the banner on the page rather than categorisation or anything more serious. case of a one #if that should have been a #ifeq. If someone can do the honours please. As before from the code in User:Kevinalewis/TemplateTemp. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 05:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) Done. Your sandbox is out of sync with the actual template (esp. the categories at the bottom). Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

category naming inconsistency

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In have just noticed that there is currently an inconsistency in a category naming convention. Which I have ironed out in the code in User:Kevinalewis/TemplateTemp. If someone could copy that in it would be great. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Done — {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 00:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Portal link

{{editprotected}} Can a admin change the listed Portal link from Literature to our own portal link of Template:Novels Portal so it can show on the talk pages of articles, as the Novels Portal has now been created. - thx - Boylo (talk) 01:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done SkierRMH (talk) 09:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Percy Jackson inclusion

Please, someone add the Percy Jackson task force and Percy Jackson importance to the template. I am not an administrator and neither are any of the other members of the task force, so we can't do it. Thanks. Pmlinediter (talk) 09:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on it now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

On the sandbox is a proposed conversion of the banner to {{WPBannerMeta}}. I've added the basics for Percy Jackson taskforce but you need an image. Also, do you plan to classify the articles by quality and importance? If so, this needs to be added. The code is near the bottom of the page - should be easy to work out by looking at the other taskforces. If I can help, just let me know. When it's ready I can implement it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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The sandbox has been converted back to the traditional code with the new task force included. There were all sort of problems with the converted code.

This new code can be implemented. ASAP. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 17:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Done--Aervanath (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Please remove {{stubclass}} template

{{editprotected}} Can someone please remove the highlighted code (it's near the end of the template):

}}}}{{#switch:{{{class|}}}|Stub|stub={{#ifeq:{{{auto|}}}|yes|{{Stubclass |assessment=Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment |project=Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels{{!}}WikiProject Novels |template=NovelsWikiProject |category=Automatically assessed novel articles |remove={{[[Template:NovelsWikiProject|WikiProject Novels]]}}'s auto=yes parameter }}}}}}{{#if:{{{listas|}}}|{{DEFAULTSORT:{{{listas}}}}}}}</includeonly><noinclude>

This is both unnecessary, as the banner already has an embedded message saying and doing the same thing, and problematic, as the {{stubclass}} template does not collapse within a banner shell (see Talk:She Is Here for an example). Cheers! PC78 (talk) 16:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Not done for now: This seems to be the intended behaviour though, to attract attention to it. {{WPBiography}} for example is behaving the exact same way. What are the other WP:NOVELS people thinking about that? --Amalthea 16:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

From a random sampling of a few dozen articles from Category:Automatically assessed novel articles I also didn't find another article that was automatically asessed, but had its banners organized in a shell. I'd assume that those articles' asessments will almost always have been checked by a human editor. --Amalthea 16:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The banner shell should contain collapsed banners only – that's what it's there for; whether it causes a problem on one page or a hundred is a little besides the point. Why do you need the banner to display two messages that say the exact same thing? It's just adding redundant talk page clutter. PC78 (talk) 16:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI, the bot that did the auto tagging, User:KevinalewisBot, has not done an automated edit in almost a year. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Leave please - No please don't remove that - I haven't done any work on the automatically tagged entries for a while however I have been working my way through those so tagged and clearing/processing them (there were quite a few). Once this is done I was going to run some more. Anyone else who has inclination can also tag this way (as other project have done). Also the fact that a tag isn't used much doesn't mean it should be removed. It can remain with little impact on anyone else until used again. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Remove the redundant code mentioned above but not the core code that the project still uses. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 17:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Done I've removed the redundant code, as that's all that was requested in the first place.--Aervanath (talk) 17:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated. PC78 (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Peer review

{{editprotected}} Thanks for starting to fix this code. It tries to link to a "currently" which is not what was documented. This should link to a page keyed to the title of the article being reviewed. Is previous version of the NovelsWikiProject code. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 13:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

for information both are different as in these code fragments below

{{!}} A '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Peer review/{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}|request has been made]]''' for this <!-- I think non-article page can't be peer-reviewed, right?-->
article to be [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Peer review|peer reviewed]] by the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels|Novels WikiProject]]. 
[[Category:Requests for novels peer review|{{PAGENAME}}]]

{{!}} This {{#ifeq:{{{class|}}}|NA|non-article page|article}} has had a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Peer review|peer review]] by the 
[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels|Novels WikiProject]], which has now been '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Peer review/{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}|archived]]'''. 
[[Category:Old requests for novels peer review|{{PAGENAME}}]]

 Fixed. Sorry about that and thanks for bringing it to my attention. There was a slight error to the peer review function which I have (hopefully!) fixed now. There is also the option of specifying a title parameter in case the page is moved since its review. You can specify title=(old page name) and then the link will still work. I think the error crept in when this function was implemented. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

RFPP request

Hello, there was an WP:RFPP request made here to replace this template with the one found at Template:NovelsWikiProject/sandbox. Looking through the above discussions, I don't see any peer agreement to replace it, although the new template was mainly developed by MSGJ, who is very active here. Can one or three of you give your opinions on the matter? Thanks! Tan | 39 14:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I already made this change yesterday from a request on my talk page. And no, I'm not active in this project, I've just been helping with the template! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you for your prompt reply. I will decline the request on RFPP as it is already done. Tan | 39 15:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Novel has infobox needing cover

The category:Novel has infobox needing cover is becoming too big. Is it possible to break it down by taskforce into smaller categories? eg category:Science fiction novel has infobox needing cover? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a fairly sensible idea to me. Now that the template has been changed from the standard code - I have no clue as to how to achieve this - one advantage of the "new" form! :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Military Fiction task force

{{editprotected}} I've just started up the Military Fiction task force and would like to include a parameter for the task force in the template.

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{{#ifeq:{{{military|}}}|yes|
{{!}} [[File:Sabres.svg|40px|center]]
{{!}} This {{#ifeq:{{{class|}}}|NA|non-article page|article}} is supported by the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Military fiction task force|Military fiction task force]]''', which deals with Military novel (prose) articles. [[Category:Military fiction novels task force articles|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}

Based off 19th century task force.SADADS (talk) 01:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Has this been discussed with the WikiProject yet? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Kevinalewis has given a thumbs up and no-one else has responded on the forum, it is mostly in response to Military History's activities and an attempt to create unity and activity both acknowledge needs to be done. SADADS (talk) 17:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I added the request because no-one has posted objection to the task force, and I need it to start building up the task force. SADADS (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 Added — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you much, SADADS (talk) 13:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Documentation

Could you update documentation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadads (talk • contribs)

Documentation is held at Template:NovelsWikiProject/doc and is not protected, so you may do it yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:12, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh right, thanks. SADADS (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Adding Assessment categories

I didn't realize that the code is different if it is to reflect the 1.0 assessment categories. Could this be added as well? Sorry for the extra edits... SADADS (talk) 15:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Can you put your proposed changes here: Template:NovelsWikiProject/sandbox? This is a widely used template and breaking it would be bad. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 01:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Figured it out. See link SADADS (talk) 03:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} I have made a few changes to the sandbox to reflect more correct naming. i.e. "military-task-force" parameter and "military-importance" parameter. Also the category it feeds has been slightly name changed. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 18:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Twilight task force image

{{editprotected}} The image that is currently being used to represent the Twilight task force has been deleted. Could someone replace it with the image File:Single apple.png ? Thanks ~ ς ح д r خ є ~ 05:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

39 Clues Task Force

{{editprotected}}Could someone add the 39 Clues Task Force to this template?--mono 21:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

You can do it yourself here: Template:NovelsWikiProject/sandbox and then an admin can deploy it. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Tried, however, I cannot get it to work. Sorry.--mono 21:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I made a logo here.--mono 21:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I've added support for the taskforce. Let me know if it looks okay. I didn't add any of the assessment stuff yet because none of the categories exist. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I'd be willing to create the categories or have a bot do it.--mono 23:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

See Template:NovelsWikiProject/class for a list of some of the categories needed. (I notice there are some missing for other task forces as well.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Not sure whether this template is the problem...

I just looked at Talk:The Dispossessed, and see that in the Project Banner science fiction is abbreviated as "Sci-fi". This term is considered derogatory or pejorative by an influential portion of the science fiction community, and should not be used gratuitiously here. A simple "SF" would be better (and more space efficient). --Orange Mike | Talk 17:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

It is indeed set by the TF_4_NESTED parameter of this template. You could change it to whatever you like - "SF" or "Science fiction". — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

How???? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

So I see you are a template novice :) You can just find the line near the bottom of the template that reads |TF_4_NESTED=Sci-fi and replace it with |TF_4_NESTED=Science fiction. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Roald Dahl task force

{{editprotected}} Please import the changes I have made from the sandbox to add the Roald Dahl task force to the banner. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 13:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done. There's one missing category - see Template:NovelsWikiProject/class. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

png → svg

Hello, the format of file:W21-1a.png is PNG. The same image exists in SVG format. Please change W21-1a.png to W21-1a.svg. Nodulation (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Portals

Please add the Twilight portal along with the Narnia and Lemony Snicket portal for each task forces and some modifications including the MAIN_CAT script that I've made at the sandbox myself. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 07:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Have you discussed this with the relevant WikiProject? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

No I haven't. I will begin discussing the project right way. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 19:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)