Template talk:WikiProject Australia/Archive 1

Archive 1

places

Is there a parameter for Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian places? --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

place=yes -- Longhair\^talk 05:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

V8=yes seems broken

I put V8=yes on Talk:Dick Johnson (Australian auto racing), but it didn't seem to do anything. --Scott Davis ^Talk 06:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It's working now Scott. I've added support for both the V8 and v8 parameter. -- Longhair 03:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Sports parameters

Are the sports= param and the more specific params like V8= mutually exclusive or what?

e.g. does an article with V8=yes need to have sports=yes, must it not have sports=yes, or doesn't it matter? --kingboyk 14:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

V8=yes can happilly exist without parentage of sports=yes. Only one parameter in the curent template is required, ie, sports=yes or v8 =yes are both fine without one or the other in place. -- Longhair 14:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Is the answer I wanted to hear :) Means I don't need any logic for dealing with these params. Excellent. --kingboyk 14:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

nbl/NBL parameter. Hundreds/thousands of articles that will be bot tagged using my plugin? Or a param for me to ignore? (New params only need to be added to the plugin if the plugin needs to write them; any params it doesn't know it ignores). Will add if needed, of course. --kingboyk 13:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I was going to let you know when I had some time to look at size of the new project myself. If you could add support for the NBL project for completness sake that'd be great. I don't think there's any more articles than a few hundred at least, but I'm only guessing at this stage.

I've been playing with your plugin as well of late here at home and doing some testing, but haven't had much undistracted time to really give it the go *live* that I'd like. That's coming. :) -- Longhair\^talk 13:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Parameters which are functionally the same are liable to cause breakage as currently programmed ("V8", "v8"; "NBL", "nbl"). However I'll put some extra code in to deal with this situation. Please in future either refrain from having these or make sure I know :) --kingboyk 18:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Limiting size

Could the comments section be hidden as per the To-Do section? I'd do it myself but for the fear of angering the complex beast.--cj | talk 06:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the comments section is a companion alongside article assessments. Would it serve any benefit to hide this functionality by default? To shrink the template on overcrowded talk pages, try the small=yes parameter, which shrinks the template to almost userbox-sizing, and aligns it to the right. See Talk:Steve Irwin for an example. -- Longhair\^talk 12:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

To-do

Any reason why it's been unhidden? Orderinchaos 09:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The show/hide button has been removed, or disabled. This template hasn't received any recent edits though, so the offending edit must have occured on another template. -- Longhair\^talk 01:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that was the first place I looked :) Thanks for that. Orderinchaos 02:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems every template Wikipedia-wide with similar functionality is broken. Some examples are {{Bellarine Peninsula}}, {{Australian Senators}}... Both had show/hide drop down menu functionality. -- Longhair\^talk 10:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

These are all working fine for me. Have been all day. Hesperian 10:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm using Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.9 and it's broken. I just tried IE 6 and you guessed it, the menus are working. Weird indeed. -- Longhair\^talk 10:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

WFM on Firefox 2.0.0.1. Hesperian 11:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've not changed a thing concerning the above, and they're working again :) -- Longhair\^talk 11:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I just checked and they weren't working for me (FF2.0.0.1). Then I did a Show preview before saving this edit and now they are (now working)! Someone is playing with a template somewhere. —Moondyne 11:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Moderator Attention re Flag Picture on Template

The link to the Flag appears to be broken - I think it's the SVG file, which often don't show up. Can we please have it back (try a JPEG or PNG format), or else replace it with something that doesn't look ridiculous like the word "Flag"? JROBBO 12:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Townsville

Hi, can somebody who knows what their doing please explain to me how I can create or add a Wikiproject city specific tag for Wikiproject Townsville. Thanks! WikiTownsvillian 10:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. -- Longhair\^talk 13:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Template bloated with WikiProject Australia To-do

I think the template is too bloated with the WikiProject Australia To-do at the bottom even though it can be turned off. Do others agree? Can it be removed?--Golden Wattle ^talk 23:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Also if somebody comes to an article talk page, they don't need to be sent off to do other tasks - a link to the project is enough of a prompt if they are browsing for inspiration of how to fill in their time. Thus not only is it too large and fills the talk page with something not relevant to the given article, I don't think it is appropriate.--Golden Wattle ^talk 23:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there's scope for reducing the banner's obtrusiveness, but I don't necessarily see that the to-do list is a problem. It is defaulted to hide and is only expanded by individual users looking for tasks.--cj | talk 23:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I must have clicked on it accidentally at Talk:Ariah Park, New South Wales (and it has now disappeared) - I still think even though disappeared we invite people to the project several times and it is too much for something not directly relevant to the article itself. --Golden Wattle ^talk 23:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, after catching up on some relevant arguments at WP:COUNCIL, I tend agree that we should keep out all un-necessary meta-data and limit it to data which is, as you say, pertinent to the article itself.--cj | talk 01:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Riverina

Could we please have a parameter to support Wikipedia:WikiProject Riverina, a sub project of Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian places. Could the icon please be - ie [[Image:DogonTuckerbox.jpg|40px]] Thanks --Golden Wattle ^talk 23:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

done. -- usage --- add Riverina=yes ... Gnangarra 04:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Nested functionality

I posted on the project talk page a request for comment on adding the "nested=yes" parameter to your banner. I haven't heard much response and wondered if we could go ahead and add the code? The relevant changes can be seen at example template and example template at work. Please let me know if you have questions, comments, etc. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• Itt would be better if it showed the subsidiary projects, ie in the example it should show Wikiproject Adelaide, I have no problem with the concept and concatenated approach allowing expansion.--Golden Wattle ^talk 00:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Golden Wattle - I've made the change to address this. Take a look at Template:WikiProjectBannerShell/Example Australia for the code, and Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell/Example Australia for the template in action. If that looks good, I'd like to put it into production. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks good enough with the subsidiary projects. I'd say go ahead in the absense of any "no! don't!" comments. It appears not to break the existing appearance as the default anyway. --Scott Davis ^Talk 08:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Diff from current version to new version is available here. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Would someone be able to make the change indicated by this diff to the template? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Y Done - Harryboyles 06:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Replace image with SVG version?

As it was requested at Category:Images which should be in SVG format, I have converted the project icon to SVG. It is available at Image:Aus tv.svg (from Commons). Next step is to replace all instances of the old image with the SVG version; I can't do that here, as it is protected. Can someone, please? Cheers, Stannered 20:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}. The icon you suggest doesn't look the same as the current icon. Is there consensus to change to the new icon? CMummert · talk 20:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't? It was intented to look as close as I could get to the original - the rotation of the knob is slightly off, and on closer examination, the flag might be shifted horizontally by a pixel or so, but still... Stannered 21:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

My fault - I thought you were replacing the flag, since the TV icon is not visible on the template page. The edit has been made. CMummert · talk 21:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers! Stannered 21:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Changes

I've introduced a few significant changes to the template:

• Using {{WP India}} code, I've put in a list-class option.
• To trim down the size and keep out un-necessary data (pursuant to above discussion), I've removed {{Australia opentask}} and placed assessment comments in the collapsible section.
• I've separated task parameters (peer-review, ACOTF, etc) from subproject parameters with a horizontal rule.

There are some changes to the way the template now functions. For instance, when class is specified as NA or List, the importance parameter remains. Ideally, I'd like it to not show as previously, but I can't figure the code. The task parameters also need to be updated for the list-class option. --cj | talk 23:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Is maintained by?

I notice this template says the article "is maintained by" WP:AUS. It seems to me that saying "is within the scope of" (as {{WPBiography}} does, for example) would be more appropriate and make more sense. Not a big deal, but "is maintained by" has a hint of WP:OWNership about it. Plus, I've seen evidence that it's a bit of an exaggeration in some cases, e.g., The Radiators (Australian band), which I created to fill in a redlink, had the WP AUS banner added by someone else, but has had almost no maintenance by anyone. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. I'm just tossing an idea out for discussion. Xtifr _tälk 13:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

"...is within the scope of" works for me. If I remember correctly, I edited the template to read "is maintained by" when the article on the Tim Tam was speedy deleted. It'd be nice if those deleting articles on a whim advised the WikiProject concerned for comment prior to deletion, but the wiki-world is far from perfect. I'm supportive of your suggested rewording. -- Longhair\^talk 13:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we could have it render as "is within the scope of" for articles, but retain "is maintained by" for non-article pages, where the scope doesn't necessarily make sense?--cj | talk 13:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That suggestion makes good sense. -- Longhair\^talk 13:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I certainly have no objection. Unless you're asking me to code it, in which case I will object that it sounds like more work than it's worth. But otherwise, I think it sounds great. :) Xtifr _tälk 11:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

i actually came here to make exactly the same "within the scope of" suggestion. i do think that it is well worth the work because aside from the issue of whether or not the page is actually being "maintained", this terminology is exclusionary and shout's "hands off" at non-members who might be interested in contributing. xx baby_ifritah 13:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

places vs place

If you use places=yes in the template then it displays as per the small version. Where as using place=yes it displays correctly in the normal version. Gnangarra 05:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you try places=yes again and let me know if it's functioning correctly? -- Longhair\^talk 06:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep its working now thanks. Gnangarra 06:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

TV and Television params

The template supports TV and Television as pointers to Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian television, but the parameters aren't listed in the copyable example. --Steve _(Stephen) ^talk 02:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, I think.--cj | talk 02:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Y Yes, thanks for the quick action --Steve _(Stephen) ^talk 03:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Sub-project categories

I notice that pages tagged with this banner are put in only the appropriate "*-class Australia articles" and "*-importance Australia articles", in the case of sub-projects, they are also included in the main "WikiProject *** articles" category. I don't think these redundant categories should be there at all, but they definitely don't belong when class=NA. JPD (talk) 14:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the rating and category for the wikiprojects should remain, however (and I realise this might take a bit of work) the rating level for the sub-projects should be acknowledged in the visible part of the template.

For example: when you insert "|Townsville = yes" it inserts "[[Image:Townsville city.jpg]] This article is supported by [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Townsville|WikiProject Townsville]]." and if you insert:"|Townsville-importance = Top" it categorises the article in [[:Category:Top-importance Townsville articles]]. :I would like to suggest that when "|Townsville-importance = Top" is added than the template changes to "[[Image:Townsville city.jpg]] This article is supported by [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Townsville|WikiProject Townsville]]. (rated as [[:Category:Top-importance Townsville articles|Top]] importance)

I think the case of the importance rating for Wikiproject Australia being different to the rating of a sub-project would be quite frequent and so the suggestion above would be a really useful tweak to the template which will empower sub wikiprojects more. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 08:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Your suggestion has merit. However, maybe I did not put my suggestion very well. Of course the separate subproject rankings should be there, and the talk pages placed in the appropriate quality and importance categories, but they do not need to be placed in, for example, Category:WikiProject Townsville articles as well as Category:Top-importance Townsville articles. The template does not use such redundant categorisation for the Australia WikiProject, and it is definitely not appropriate for the non-articles. JPD (talk) 16:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I think I understand what you're saying, however I think I still disagree with you as having the full list of articles that are being maintained by the sub wikiproject is a useful list for those in the sub-wiki as well as the lists of articles by importance and quality. with almost 26 000 articles wikiproject Aust is too big for Category:WikiProject Australia articles to be of much use to the project. I agree with you on the non-articles bit, they should not go to the category. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 22:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

See Template:WP Banksia for what I'm talking about, WP Australia should have the same below the line thing and when a sub-wiki is added (eg. |Townsville=yes} it adds a similar thing below the line, like in WP Banksia. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 23:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

As I said before, that has merit and may be worth putting some effort into. However, removing the Category:WikiProject Townsville articles, etc. is very simply done and would solve the problem of non-articles being categorised with the only "downfall" being the loss of the full lists of sub-project articles. I think this is actually a positive thing, inline with the spirit of WP:SUBCAT. JPD (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I've not followed this discussion fully, but I made a couple edits the other night to the Adelaide and NT parameters which removed "WikiProject X articles" category from non-article pages. I was intending on applying the changes to all parameters, but haven't yet had time.--cj | talk 15:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I would have simply removed Cat:WikiProject X articles altogether, as redundant, but thought this might not be fully appreciated so mentioned it here first. Since it seems most people do want to retain the full lists, Cyberjunkie's solution seems fine. As for WikiTownsvillian's suggestions, I have implemented somethign like it for Townsville. It can be copied for any of the other subprojects, although not all of them seem to have done any importance rating yet. JPD (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

NT Project

{{editprotected}} Can someone please update this template to bring the Northern Territory project into the city-specific project tag list? Thewinchester ^(talk) 08:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

N Not done yet; the project is not yet active. Please repeat this request if and when the project becomes active. --ais523 08:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Tagging

For some time now I have been dabbling with putting WP Australia class=NA in category talk pages, partially as a way of tracking through the full ranges of categories and their populations - as well as allocating various projects indicators. (Tasmania, WA and much less maritime history - and about to start Northern territory) I do have a question for this whole process: Is there a rule/policy about joint project involvement - where multiple projects might claim custodianship so to speak? I would be interested - so as to get a sense of whether its ok to be allocating more than one - whether certain parameters might determine whether one has precedence over another etc. I ask this as to whether there are any issues with current templates. cheers SatuSuro 11:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Image replacement request

{{editprotected}} Please replace the image Image:Nuvola apps kcontrol.png with Image:Icon tools.png as it was marked as a duplicate on Wikimedia Commons. The image is protected there. Thanks. Siebrand 19:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 20:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

NA importance, but...

There's something funny with non-article importances (is that a word? ah what the hell). Compare Talk:1788 in Australia with Talk:1790 in Australia - both are classed as lists and so the banner says that the importance is NA. But one has importance=low and another has no importance value given. These importance categories are still shown at the base of the page (Low and Unassessed). Is that right? - 52 Pickup 19:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian music

Would it possible to integrate a parameter for the above into the template please? Also, what's involved in giving the sub-project its own assessment categories? —Moondyne 14:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Added about an hour ago. Assessments are also working. See Category:Australian music articles by quality. Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 07:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much. You've had a busy day. —Moondyne 10:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I like to be productive when I'm here :) I've added a fair amount of articles under the music project as a starter to get things moving. Everything appears to be working fine. Allow the WP1.0 bot a day or two to run over the project assessments and you'll then be able to include the stats count table (as seen on other Australian WikiProjects) to your project pages. For those using AutoWikiBrowser to assess articles, it might pay to drop User:Kingboyk a message so he can consider including this project in his next plugin update. -- Longhair\^talk 10:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I already made a counter table as placed in the project page, so will the bot just update that automatically or should I have left it for the time being? —Moondyne 10:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It won't hurt. Looks a lot nicer than a red link (as I've just said at your talk page), and the bot will simply overwrite it in time correcting the information within. -- Longhair\^talk 10:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I prompted the bot to run through Australian music articles. It's updated the statistics table.--cj | talk 11:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice feature. Never knew that existed. :) Thanks. -- Longhair\^talk 11:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I've just uploaded an SVG version which supercededs my previous version. Can someone update that in this template? The image is Image:WikiProject Australian Music.svg. Ta. --linca^linca 10:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 Done —Moondyne 10:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Categories

I noticed that some projects have a class tag of "Cat" whereas we would use "NA" here. Is there a reason for this? I reckon it'd be quite handy for differentiation. —Moondyne 09:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessment Comments

{{editprotected}} In the Assessment Comments, it has a link to a page. Rather than external link it to the edit page, just wiki link it (red link), to show it hasn't got comments. SpecialWindler ^talk 04:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 20:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Do we even need the show/hide dropdown box at all? It seems kinda pointless requring one to open the dropdown box to see if comments have been placed when this information could easily be included within the template itself. -- Longhair\^talk 02:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Template changes

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australia/Future#Template_-_functions to discuss changes to one of the template functions please join this discussion. Gnangarra 11:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Pagination

{{editprotected}} I've noticed that this template leaves a trailing blank line. It's not critical, but it makes many of the talk pages I've been looking at less appealing. If this could be fixed, that would be great. Adam McCormick 23:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Australian music

{{editprotected}} When the music=yes parameter is added, could we have a link to Portal:Australian music placed underneath, similar to the link to Portal:Australia which appears under the Australian flag in all cases. Giggy _U^CP 02:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Instead of or as well as? ck lostsword•T•C 19:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

As well as, if possible. Maybe even in the text that says "project covered by Ausmusic project" etc. Giggy _U^CP 21:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Text in the main text - project covered by &c. could read 'for more information about music in australia, see the australian music portal'? Or just another little link next to the aus portal - I suspect there wouldn't be enough room there though. ck lostsword•T•C 22:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, that suits me. Giggy _U^CP 22:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Y Done ck lostsword•T•C 22:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Wikiproject Gold Coast changes

{{editprotected}} Wikipedia: Wikiproject Gold Coast is now known as Wikipedia: WikiProject Gold Coast, Queensland. Could this please be updated? The project has created the appropriate categories for importance and quality assessment. I would appreciate if you could update the template to allow importance and quality assessment for Gold Coast articles.

In regards to the project image, I'd also be appreciate if Image:View-from-Q1-looking-north.jpg could be used for the project image. Thanks very much, --Nicko 14:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Y Done - should be ck lostsword•T•C 19:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

WA-Importance Categories

The Categories in here seem to be saying that they are unassessed, but categories cant be assessed, i think that there is a problem with the template maybe. Unsure. Thanks Twenty Years 11:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see what the problem is. Anyone in favour of either creating a series of subcats for categories under quality, or excluding them from subproject selection on quality? Orderinchaos 22:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't imagine why we'd need/want to assess cats for quality; best to exclude them I'd say. —Moondyne 00:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{{WP Australia|class=cat|Perth=yes}} needs to be removed from all those cat pages. It's not necessary. Giggy _U^CP 00:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe - as it is an Australia project issue surely it goes to the noticeboard - its not just a wa tagging issue but project wide issue. However the issue of cats (ask me I have been there....) is that they are non assessable full stop - no question or argument on that SatuSuro 00:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Category *is* an assessment, so they don't need to be assessed. (i.e. one is saying "This article is a category and needs no further assessment") As a result it appears as a subcat under quality - which was my question above. Orderinchaos 01:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that when category is selected, it should not populate a category as it's superfluous to do so. I think it should just categorise any of the other types of articles the template's placed onto, but not cats, because it also becomes something of an eyesore with a thousand categories included (has anybody seen how many are on Kylie Minogue? I mean, FFS seriously). --linca^linca 06:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Conversation here is about when finding a category talk page (not an article page) blissfully clear of any interference - then if being tagged for WikiProject Australia - if the class=cat is typed in - the resultant view of the template tag on that talk page has a not assessable/ or no comment at all in the box? I thought that was what we are talking about? Multiple projects tagged on a talk page is no problem as long as they are relevant SatuSuro 06:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

To explain - We rate pages by placing this template on the article's talk page. At present, they are going into a "Non-article pages" category. We are arguing they would be more usefully held at a "Category pages" category. This would not add categories to the articles themselves, but is purely for rating and sorting purposes (i.e. so we can find all category pages related to a particular project). Orderinchaos 09:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Another way of saying it - WP Australia template goes on all article talk pages in the project - when the groups of articles are given categories - they collect under that categories page title - when we tag an article with a category at the front - it goes into that category - when we tag the actual category page as a class=cat, it has no need to be assessed because it is a category - probably even less clear ? SatuSuro 10:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Basically, i am completely lost here with all the jargon and wiki-ness. What i think should happen is that we tag categories like they are, but have like a "N/A" rating for them, so that they are removed from the unassessed category. This way they are not clogging up the category. Basically what i was wondering, is how on earth this can be done? Twenty Years 15:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said way back, it can be done, but needs consensus for a method to do it, as any way it can be done will add bulk to already bulky code. (The most likely way is adding an exception line under every subproject as we've done with Lists) Orderinchaos 15:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

So the problem could be resolved in this bit of code (using Adelaide example). {{ #switch: {{{class|}}} ... }} where we should add a line something like |Cat|cat|Category|category = [[Category:Adelaide categorys|{{PAGENAME}}]] Would you support this? :: maelgwn - talk 14:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Can someone do my above suggestion please? :: maelgwn - talk 10:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what's being requested, so I've disabled the editprotected tag. Please feel free to clarify and re-enable it. Cheers. --MZMcBride 14:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I finally got around to fixing this problem. Have tested it and it appears to work fine - Categories will now not show in "Unassessed ____ articles" or in "Unknown-importance Australia articles". I didn't see the point in creating a new catalogue of category pages when all categories are in "Category-Class Australia articles anyway". Orderinchaos 14:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Unrelated question why is this [1] in Category:Unassessed Australia Articles? :: maelgwn - talk 12:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

In other words can you do the same thing for lists and you did for Categories? :: maelgwn - talk 13:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Request to change template

{{editprotected}} I feel that this template should be changed to be similar with {{WPFootballinAus}} and {{Football}} templates. A good example of this is shown in this talk page Notice that the {{WP Australia}} template has NO rating option for importance as well as for the quality scale. Compared with the other two templates, there are these statements in the two templates which are; This article has been rated as Cat-Class on the quality scale. and This article has been rated as NA-importance on the importance scale. If someone can fix this template to be more consistent with the above two templates, it would be much appreciated. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 13:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

There is an importance scale (eg. see Talk:Queensland), but it is set to not appear when certain classes are given - and Category is one of these classes. From the link that you posted, all of those banners show NA for category anyway, so having importance for Cat-class is pretty redundant. - 52 Pickup 13:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't completely understand the issue here. We have quality and importance ratings, and categories don't need an importance rating - eg Category talk:Government of New South Wales Orderinchaos 13:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If its possible wouldnt it be better to have the template automatically idenity wikipedia, template and category type pages and tag them as NA-importance Gnangarra 14:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Have the template automatically detect if it is a template/category page? Interesting idea. I think that's doable. But since it is given that template and category pages are NA, is it really necessary to state that they are NA? - 52 Pickup 14:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, there is no harm done in stating that they are NA. In fact this would be consistent with the {{Football}} template. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 04:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Its not necessary to state NA but it is necessary to exclude them from unassessed categories, if that was able to be done automatically by the template then its a benefit. Gnangarra 04:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WP Australia has been progressively streamlined to make it less obtrusive – we're not about to backtrack. If consistency is such a concern, then {{Football}} should be altered.--cj | talk 04:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

No, I disagree. Please view this page for a more clearer view about this. I feel that this template should be changed to be consistent with the {{Football}} template. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 08:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

For every example you give, there are just as many counter-examples. Setting all of them just for the benefit of one template is absurd. What is the point of having 2 or more banners all saying that the page is NA? This WP Australia template avoids stating such redundant information (all category pages are "NA", so why state it?), and that is the way it should be. - 52 Pickup 09:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

That's laughable. Why would we want to conform to a lesser-used template of an inferior design?--cj | talk 10:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Siva1979, it is clear that this project, like WikiProject Japan, has rejected your proposed changes for much the same reasons. If you want to continue your campaign to make all templates look and behave the same, I advice you take it to the Village Pump instead of trying to drum up support from the two editors you agreed with your changes to Template:WikiProject Chad. --Farix (Talk) 12:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Since Siva1979 had made the same proposal to multiple Wikiproject banners, I have started a centralized discussion at the Village Pump to obtain wider input. --Farix (Talk) 13:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Extraneous linebreak when preceeded by certain other templates

{{editprotected}} This template contains an extraneous linebreak between lines 6 and 7. It normally does not cause any problems, but will display when this template is immediately preceeded by a template that similarly contains an extraneous linebreak at the end. Please change the beginning to something like this:

 }}<!-- END inner ifeq (test for WP namespace, the one exception to the no non talkspace rule) -->}}<!-- END outer ifeq (test for placement not on talk page) --><!--
 ------------------ end check of template placement ---------------------------------------------><!--
 --></includeonly>{| class="{{#ifeq:{{{nested|}}}|yes|collapsible collapsed messagebox nested-talk|{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|messagebox small-talk|messagebox standard-talk}}}}"
 |-
 

Thanks. Anomie 00:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

 Done --Selket ^Talk 01:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Assesment comments

I question the need for this at all. In my experience almost no-one uses the facility (I'm sure there are some, but I can't think of a way of seeing how many/which articles have comments added). It smells a bit of instruction creep and unnecessary clutter IMO. And if we do decide that we need it, wouldn't a direct link to the comments page be better rather than a show/hide button? That way you could see that the comments actually existed by the link being blue rather than red. —Moondyne 04:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I've never really cared for them, so I wouldn't be against such a change. Perhaps we could use the hidden section for meta-parameters (ACOTF candidate, Portal, Attention etc) instead, to limit the banner size when they're enabled.--cj | talk 04:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Is there a reason that the comments section is currently visible by default? I'd have thought it should be the other way around (if we keep it). Giggy ^Talk 02:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 05:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Image change

{{editprotected}} As part of the WikiProject Rugby league I request that the image used when, on this template, the code nrl=yes is entered. The image should be changed from Image:Rugby league pass.jpg to Image:Rugby league play the ball cropped.jpg The reasoning behind this is:

• The older image is deleted and needs replacing.
• The {{WikiProject Rugby league}} has this image placed on it.
• The image is of a rugby league scene.

Thankyou, If there is any problems with this, please contact me on my talk page as I will not watch this page. SpecialWindler talk 11:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Done.--cj | talk 12:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Music of Australia

{{editprotected}} When the |music=yes parameter is used, a link is added to Portal:Australian music. Could this please be updated to reflect the portal's new location; Portal:Music of Australia. Thanks, Giggy\^Talk 01:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Done.--cj | talk 01:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Template

Shouldn't this template have an option (eg:|template=yes) for templates its used on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peachey88 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This is normally covered by using class=NA because they are not articles. :: maelgwn - talk 02:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

However, {{WP Australia|class=cat|importance=NA}} does exist. BTW, is the importance parameter not used if an article's class is set to cat? See also Template talk:Dab-Class, since the template code uses {{Cat-Class}} already. Personnally, I think it's unnecessary bloat, but that's just my POV ;) Comte0 08:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

and shouldn't it have settings for states since it has them for major cities? (eg: an article about something within a state but not in a major city?) Peachey88 02:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

These correspond to certain wikiprojects that are children of Wikiproject Australia. For example there is Victoria=Yes but no Melbourne=Yes but there is Adelaide=Yes but no SA=yes. :: maelgwn - talk 02:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Importance assessment for other associated projects

Greetings! I'm rather new to adding WP:AUS project tags on my articles and had a quick question. I placed a tag on Talk:Stylidium semaphorum and assessed it as Stub/Low and as WA=yes and biota=yes, but it gets auto-categorized into Category:Unknown-importance Australian biota articles and Category:Unknown-importance Western Australia articles. Am I missing a parameter to assess it for these projects like "WA-importance=" and "biota-importance=" that I didn't see in the instructions? If you don't have these yet, you might consider including them in the template like we did at {{Carnivorous Plants}} (we included a "plants-importance=" parameter so we could include separate importance assessments). Cheers, --Rkitko ^(talk) 17:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The WA-importance and biota-importance parameter do exist. The correct stanza is then {{WP Australia|class=Stub|importance=Low|WA=yes|WA-importance=Low|biota=yes|biota-importance=Low}}. Isn't it possible to deduce biota-importance and WA-importance from the importance parameter? Comte0 08:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

WP Qld

I think it is very inappropriate to have a picture of the Gold Coast as the image representative of Queensland, either a simplistic map of Qld such as this, except only with Queensland in the image or the flag of course. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 01:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree with WikiTownsvillian, I would think that something like Image:Queensland_locator-MJC.png but just showing QLD or the flag would be a better choice. Peachey88 ^{(Talk Page | Contribs)} 12:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I've edited the template to use Image:Queensland locator-MJC.png. -- Longhair\^talk 20:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Portal link

To try and promote Portal:Australia, it may be worth including a link to the portal on this project tag, similar to the links to the Biography and Dance Portal links on the other tags on this page. Others' thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\^talk 21:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

A tiny link to the Australia Portal already exists. Look under the flag icon. If you missed it, it's a sign it may need reworking. -- Longhair\^talk 22:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

How many times have I looked at that tag and not seen that link? Thanks, Mattinbgn\^talk 23:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I still think a bigger link would be nice - maybe have the Australian flag linking (using {{click}}). — Dihydrogen Monoxide 02:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Or {{portal}} as on the page Matt linked too. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 02:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Categories talk page tagging (revisited?)

What is the difference between {{WP Australia|class=NA}} and {{WP Australia|class=cat}}? Is class=NA now deprecated for categories? There's a gazillion categories still using 'NA' —Moondyne 01:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Brisbane - class = cat - feature request

I'd appreciate an update to the WikiProject Brisbane section so that class = cat results in Category:Category-Class_Brisbane_articles being used rather than the default Australian category. Thanks very much in advance. Nicholas Perkins (T•C) 08:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for 'Indigenous=yes' to be added to template

WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia would like to be able to use the {{WP Australia}} template to help organise related articles. I understand this would be easiest done adding a tag (or whatever) of 'Indigenous=yes' to the template. What are the issues relating to this? Paul foord (talk) 14:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Refer to Talk:Indigenous Australians for a live example. -- Longhair\^talk 07:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Non-fair use of copyrighted flag

Image:Australian Aboriginal Flag.svg is a copyrighted image - I doubt using it in Talk: space qualifies as fair use. Andjam (talk) 13:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Image removed. What could be used as an alternative image since the flag cannot be used? - 52 Pickup (deal) 13:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Documentation Subpage

{{editprotected}} Created a docuemtn subpage at request of talk page header ("This template currently does not have a /doc subpage. If the template has usage instructions, category links or interwiki links on its main page check, these should be moved to a subpage so they can be edited through the template documentation system."). Please change the template from:

{{esoteric}}
== Usage ==

__NOTOC__
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Project banner}}
[[Category:WikiProject banners|Australia]]
[[Category:WikiProject Australia|WP Australia]]
[[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]]
</noinclude>

To:

<noinclude>
{{pp-template|small=yes}}
{{documentation}}
</noinclude>

Thanks Peachey88 ^{(Talk Page | Contribs)} 05:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC).

 Done Happy‑melon 12:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Bug in the template ?

{{editprotected}} Someone from WikiProject Scottish Islands has pointed out that the part around the commment labelled BROKEN: may cause an invalid link to the assessment comments of this template to be displayed. I've seen the problem on Talk:Platypus and fixed it by purging the cache, but it ought to be investigated further. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

This isn't an immediate change, so I will disable the editprotected request. If a bug is found, and updated code is available, please add an editprotected tag at that time to ask for an admin to copy the code into the template. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed Happy‑melon 20:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

Hi - I need something like this edit for the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Demographics of Australia please --Matilda ^talk 01:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Currently configured to use Demographics=yes as the required parameter. Let me know if this parameter needs changing to another preferred option, or if you require any assistance with getting the project off the ground. Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 08:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:Demographics of Australia for a live example. -- Longhair\^talk 08:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you--Matilda ^talk 09:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Alter images

{{editprotected}} Image:Melb cbd.jpg needs to be altered to Image:Melbourne_CBD_2008.jpg or similar because it is broken. Image:Corio_Bay.jpg would be better as Image:Waterfront-geelong.jpg. Wongm (talk) 14:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 15:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Portal Image

{{editprotected}} I would like to recommend that line 20 (PORTAL_IMG) be change to include the following: "PORTAL_IMG = Flag of Australia.svg" Jayec (talk) 04:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not closing this request, as others in the project may also agree, but why would you want the flag shown twice on the banner? Perhaps another image could be used, but I would suggest leaving as-is. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 09:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit protected request removed until there is some sort of agreement. - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

Support: adding portal image, if using the flag icon is too repetitive, then maybe the coat of arms?? "PORTAL_IMG =Australian coat of arms 1912 edit.png" Actually, ANYTHING would look better than the default icon and if someone wants to rotate the pictures, that can be done also. Thanks. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Added the portal image as requested. There are a lot of warnings on the template page. You should really create all those categories when you get a chance. Martin^msgj 21:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the help!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Indigenous

Can someone fix the image on the Indigenous section? Bidgee (talk) 05:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Before I can "fix" the image, I need to know what image should go in place of the placeholder image. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 06:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Something a bit wierd

This edit just swapped the order of the two parameters. Before the edit the talk page was in Category:Unknown-importance Western Australia articles and aftre the edit it wasn't (the latter being the desired outcome). Is there a bug in the logic somewhere? –Moondyne 02:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Consistency twiddles

{{Editprotected}}

1. Move {{WP Australia}} to {{WikiProject Australia}} (de-facto naming convention for all such templates, and the move won't affect anything negatively).
2. Change |IMAGE_LEFT_LARGE=50px to |IMAGE_LEFT_LARGE=60px – this will match the width of a greater number of other project banners, and help align the class/importance fields (when present) with those others, and the main template text with them, as well as with warning amboxes, etc. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)›

There are also 8 occurences of |BANNER_NAME = Template:WP Australia/sandbox which should be changed to |BANNER_NAME = Template:WP Australia — WOSlinker (talk) 00:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done the second two; I'll leave the move a few more days for WP:SILENCE. Happy‑melon 14:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Move done—I prefer a touch of boldness, and now that this has sat here for over 24 hours it's probably fine. {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 19:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Full quality scale not working for TF's

{{edit protected}} I noticed that the prompts for creating categories for the Full quality scale are not working for the additional task forces, like WP Victoria, etc. Can this be fixed or is it a limitation in the template? Thanks. --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

This is something which has not been implemented yet. It's something that might possibly be done in the future, but it's relatively uncommon for projects to need additional taskforces so I don't think it will be a priority. You could jiggle them around on the sandbox, putting each taskforce into the one of the five main positions in turn to get the warnings. Martin^msgj 09:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation! --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Baseball

{{editprotected}} When a page is marked as being related to baseball, the links in the template currently point to "WikiProject Australian baseball", which no longer exists. Could we get the details updated to point to its replacement: "Australian baseball task force"? The details in the "Australia" section of {{Template:WikiProject Baseball}} are correct, so they can presumably be copied from there. Thanks  Afaber012  (talk)  07:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done --Closedmouth (talk) 08:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

UberCat WikiProject Australia articles

This template does not add articles to the ubercat of Category:WikiProject Australia articles, only to the subcats such as Category:WikiProject Australian television articles and the overall importance/quality cats. I've have a look through the history and there is a bit of a discussion in Archive 2, saying the duplication isn't needed for such a large cat. Well Category:WikiProject_Biography_articles doesn't seem to worry about their almost 800,000 articles in one cat. Why do I care? Well User:DASHBot is now running nightly comparisons of project articles against Category:All unreferenced BLPs, and if we don't populate a single cat with all of WP:Aust's articles, then we either need to convince Tim to do a recursive scan of the importance/quality cat, or go without an overall Australia uBLP listing. Given the number of articles not in subprojects, I don't like that idea. So can someone more aware of the intricacies of the template please add the ubercat of Category:WikiProject Australia articles to the template? Thanks The-Pope (talk) 11:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC) {{editprotected}} By looking at a similar template, I think we need to put |MAIN_CAT = {{#ifeq:{{pagetype|{{{class|}}}}}|article|WikiProject Australia articles}} in the beginning section, just before the |QUALITY_SCALE line.The-Pope (talk) 14:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is indeed how it can be accomplished. (But |MAIN_CAT=WikiProject Australia articles would be simpler if you want to categorise all pages.) However as this has been discussed before, with some opposition, then it would be worth leaving this proposal for a few days to gather comments. Please replace the {{editprotected}} once a consensus (silent or otherwise) has been reached. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

There was no reason to do it last time. This time, there is - to enable the generation of the Unreferenced BLP list. I raised the issue here too, without any opposition. I don't care which version you implement -the simple one looks fine, I guess.The-Pope (talk) 11:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this will be controversial.  Done, but boldly; feel free to rv at any sign of opposition. Happy‑melon 12:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Corrections and updates

{{editprotected}} Hi- There is a working version in the sandbox [2] that has numerous tweaks and corrections in it. There were a lot of missing parameters, and now the version is matched to each subproject's quality and importance parameters. So far, it looks good, see the testcases pg. [3] If you could copy it over, that would be great. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I have reviewed these changes and they seem fairly uncontroversial. However I will leave this for a day or two in case any members of the WikiProject wish to comment. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I've added one more TF and a few grammar tweaks. See: [4] --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

done —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:16, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

And reverted. Per Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Rogue_Australian_Antarctic_Territory_work_group.3F. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Correction note: two pipe "|" characters were missing on the AAT task force and have been replaced. The corrected version to copy is now at: [5]. Please update the template again. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Tweaked your version and redeployed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:12, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from The-Pope, 25 April 2010

{{editprotected}}

• |TF_10_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Football (soccer) in Australia articles

needs to be changed to

• |TF_10_ASSESSMENT_CAT = football (soccer) in Australia articles

otherwise they are show up as redlinks on the talk pages - eg: Talk:Steve_Corica

The-Pope (talk) 02:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Add missing parameter for Canberra/ACT project

{{editprotected}} I've been finding more than a handful of articles with the parameter |ACT=yes that must be left over from when ACT was a separate project. Since those articles are not populating the Canberra articles category, if you would add the parameter to the template, it would enable those articles to be sorted into Category:WikiProject Canberra articles. The /sandbox version is here: [6] Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

WPMILHIST TF updates

{{edit protected}}

1. There is still one item which needs to be in sync with the new TF name, the nested version TF_2_LINK. See the sandbox diff at: [7]
2. Also, could you change the QUALITY_SCALE to subpage, instead of extended? This would help immensely in being able to create the missing categories for the renamed milhist tf. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Done, Woody (talk) 18:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

QUALITY_SCALE updates

{{edit protected}} Sorry, I forgot to change the QS to "subpage" for all the TF hooks. Here is the diff in the sandbox: [8] Thanks again, --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again to all the admins who helped straighten out this template! --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Main category

{{edit protected}} For some strange reasons, not all content under the scope of WikiProject Australia is categorised into Category:WikiProject Australia articles. Could you replace: |MAIN_CAT = {{#ifeq:{{pagetype|{{{class|}}}}}|article|WikiProject Australia articles}} with simply: |MAIN_CAT = WikiProject Australia articles so as to categorise everything, such as categories and templates etc., into the above said main category? Thanks in advance. Mar4d (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done. --RL0919 (talk) 04:55, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Australia task force

The Australian soccer WikiProject has been converted into a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. This template will therefore need to be updated to reflect that. Thanks. – PeeJay 15:36, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I have made a suggestion for a change at the sandbox. – PeeJay 15:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Could an admin please update this template with the version from the sandbox. – PeeJay 19:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:41, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

Could a kindly admin please implement the changes I have made to Template:WikiProject Australia/sandbox, due to the move of Wikipedia:WikiProject AFL to Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football. Thanks in advance, Jenks24 (talk) 00:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

One of your changes, this line: |tf 9={{{Australian rules football|{{{afl|}}}}}} broke the template for many pages. Please revert that line only to |tf 9={{{AFL|{{{afl|}}}}}} or else we'll have to go and change all the instances of AFL=yes to afl=yes. The-Pope (talk) 14:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 Fixed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:22, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Thanks for fixing it up, guys. Jenks24 (talk) 21:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Perth integrated into WA

For the past few years, WP:PERTH has been a task force of WP:WA rather than a full-on project. However, tagging an article with Perth=yes doesn't automatically add it to WP:WA, leaving about 90 of the 1000 articles in WP:Perth not in WP:WA. Can you please edit the template to make that happen. I note that there appear to be two styles of "OR" statements in the template - all in one:

|tf 3={{{QLD|{{{qld|{{{Queensland|}}}}}}}}}

or all in series:

|tf 4={{{Tasmania|}}}{{{TAS|}}}{{{tas|}}}.

Is one style more correct than the other? Either way, I think that tf 8 needs to become:

|tf 8={{{WA|{{{wa|{{{Perth|}}}}}}}}} or

|tf 8={{{WA|}}}{{{wa|}}}{{{Perth|}}}

tf10 in the WPBannerMeta/hooks/tfnested section also needs the same addition. tf 9 = can remain as is, to still maintain the Perth lists (for now). The-Pope (talk) 13:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay,  Done. Next time it would be easier if you could make required changes to Template:WikiProject Australia/sandbox first. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:14, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It depends upon whether talk page banners will always contain a maximum of one of the three aliases, or if there is a possibility that more than one may sometimes be used. Without diving into the technical details, putting |QLD=|Queensland=yes will not be treated in the same fashion as |TAS=|Tasmania=yes.

Bearing this in mind, consider the case that somebody writing about a Kalgoorlie topic might put |WA=yes|Perth=no, a reasonable combination. Your first suggestion expands to |tf 8=yes but the second expands to |tf 8=yesno so the first sounds as if it would be best. But consider the case that somebody might have put |WA=|Perth=yes, note that |WA= is present but blank. Your first suggestion expands to |tf 8= but the second expands to |tf 8=yes so the second now appears to be best. My suggestion would be:

|tf 8={{#if:{{{WA|}}}{{{wa|}}}|{{{WA|{{{wa}}}}}}|{{{Perth|}}}}}

which only takes |Perth= into account if neither |WA= and |wa= are present. It is not truly universal, but combines both possibilities. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that so quickly. Not sure that I fully understand the subtle differences that you explained there Redrose64 - is there a help/Doc/meta/manual page that explains all of this for amateur programmers who's experience is limited to BASIC and Excel macros! The-Pope (talk) 00:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

There's Help:Template#Handling parameters, and Help:Template#System variables and conditional logic but those doesn't go into the subtleties of parameter aliasing. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

The basic difference is that when there are three parameters next to each other, ie {{{A|}}}{{{B|}}}{{{C|}}} , each parameter is checked to see if it was assigned a value: if so it is replaced by that value, otherwise it is left blank.

So if the template is called with |A=yes with B and C omitted, the above code has the value "yes". But if it is called with |A=yes|B=no|C=no, the above code would have the value "yesnono"

When the parameters are nested inside each other, ie {{{A|{{{B|{{{C|}}}}}}}}} they are checked sequentially from left to right until a parameter has an assigned value.

So if the template is called with |A=some value, then B and C are not checked, and the above code has the value "some value". If it is called without parameter A, and |B=something else, then C is not checked, and the above code would have the value "something else". If it is called without parameters A and B, and with |C=third option, then the above code would have the value "third option".

However, if a parameter is specifically left blank, it breaks the chain, ie with |A=|B=something, the above code would have the value "" (nothing), rather than "something"

This all follows on from the basic principle that the pipe symbol indicates a default value: {{{A|default text}}} means use the value assigned to |A= , or else use "default text", unless it is intentionally left blank as in |A=|B=value

- Evad37 (talk) 01:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 April 2013

Could the following code be added to the template, for the new WikiProject Australian Roads:

• In the last {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces }} (after Australian Antarctic Territory work group):

 |tf 6={{{road|}}} 
  |TF_6_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian Roads
  |TF_6_NAME           = WikiProject Australian Roads
  |TF_6_IMAGE          = Australia W5-29.svg
  |TF_6_QUALITY        = yes
  |tf 6 importance={{{road-importance|}}}
  |TF_6_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Australian road transport articles
  |TF_6_MAIN_CAT       = WikiProject Australian Roads articles

• In the last {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/tfnested }} (after Australian Antarctic Territory work group):

 |tf 6={{{road|}}}
  |TF_6_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian Roads
  |TF_6_NESTED         = Roads

The sandbox version of this template, with the above code, works successfully on the test cases page. Evad37 (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Rschen7754 04:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Another edit request for WikiProject Australian Roads

Could an admin copy over the code from the sandbox version? This adds the Roads Portal when |road=yes is set (and adjusts the roads image because of the extra whitespace); allows WP:HWY A-Class reviews to be set up (only if both |road=yes and |ACR=yes are set); and will categorise road articles into 'by quality' and 'by importance' categorise for each state, based on whether the parameters for state/city/region wikiprojects/task forces are present. I have set up a test cases page, which shows everything working properly. - Evad37 (talk) 09:11, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Rschen7754 11:38, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 June 2013

Please revert to the 2nd last revision, as edited by MSGJ on 8 November 2012. WikiProject Australian Roads is now using it's own talk page banner {{WP AURD}}, and the last two edits made to this template are no longer required. - Evad37 (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 16:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Feature brainstorm for Module:WikiProjectBanner

I'm in the early stages of developing a Lua-based replacement for {{WPBannerMeta}}, and I would appreciate peoples ideas for features. If there is anything that you have wanted to do with your WikiProject template, but haven't been able to due to limitations in the meta-template, I would be very interested to hear it. The discussion is over at Template talk:WPBannerMeta. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 12:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Missing image Adf.jpg

Adf.jpg was deleted from Wikimedia Commons 4 December 2013 suggest changing for the image File:ANZSP task force icon.PNG as used in the project groups user box.

See change made to sandbox version Template:WikiProject_Australia/sandbox

Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Please replace FileAdf.jpg with File:ANZSP task force icon.PNG. The file "Adf.jpg" was deleted from Wikimedia Commons 4 December 2013. See the change made to the sandbox version: Template:WikiProject_Australia/sandbox. Thanks! - tucoxn\^talk 20:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. LittleMountain5 20:56, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Ask A Librarian edit request

Based on the consensus at Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Ask_A_Librarian_links_in_WP_Australia please can you add the following lines to this template?

|note 4=yes

|NOTE_4_TEXT = Need help improving this article? '''Ask a Librarian'''^{[[Template:WikiProject Australia/AAL/What|What's this?]]} at the [http://www.nla.gov.au/askalibrarian National Library of Australia]{{#if:{{{NSW|}}}|, or the [http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/ask/ State Library of New South Wales]|}}{{#if:{{{VIC|}}}|, or the [http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/services/ask-librarian State Library of Victoria]|}}{{#if:{{{QLD|}}}|, or the [http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/services/ask-us State Library of Queensland]|}}{{#if:{{{WA|}}}|, or the [http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/find/services/information_services State Library of Western Australia]|}}{{#if:{{{SA|}}}|, or the [http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=387 State Library of South Australia]|}}{{#if:{{{TAS|}}}|, or the [http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/contact-us State Library of Tasmania]|}}{{#if:{{{NT|}}}|, or the [http://www.artsandmuseums.nt.gov.au/northern-territory-library/services/librarian Northern Territory Library]|}}.

|NOTE_4_IMAGE = Question_book-3.png

|NOTE_4_CAT =

And then can you copy/move the documentation page from User:99of9/AAL/What to Template:WikiProject Australia/AAL/What. Thanks. --99of9 (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Make your requested changed to the sandbox (make sure you sync it with the live template before starting) and post up a few testcases to make sure it is all going to work as planned. Once the template is edited with working code from the sandbox, you should be able to update the documentation yourself. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 04:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

OK. I've synced the sandbox and then made the changes. They work on the testcases (I've previously tested many cases in my own User:99of9/sandbox2). So you can just replace the main template code with the current sandbox wikimarkup. --99of9 (talk) 06:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The sandbox displays "...Ask a Librarian ^{What's this?}...", with "What's this" a red link to somewhere strange. Where should it go? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

@User:John of Reading good pickup - that was a copy-paste error... here is the fix. --99of9 (talk) 10:56, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Done Let's hope this doesn't generate a flood of time-wasting requests! -- John of Reading (talk) 16:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, one of the libraries is monitoring this for us. --99of9 (talk) 21:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you all! Wittylama 01:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiTowns -- possible parameter

Currently {{Toodyaypedia article}} and {{Freopedia article}} are being used to identify articles that have been QR coded as part of their respective projects given that most of these articles also have this template on their talk page as well I thinking would it be possible to nest WikiTowns within the template. Thinking of adding a parameter like wikitown=freo or wikitown=toodyay which would then replace the templates purpose, then as more town come on line it'd be a simple matter of offering more parameter options. thoughts Gnangarra 15:04, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I've done some coding in the sandbox, the results can be seen here. I had to use a second parameter |wikitown-status= to retain the current function of separate messages/categories for organisation, linked articles, confirmed articles, potential articles... but if you think we could get by with a single message and everything in one category (for each WikiTown), it would make the code a bit simpler. - Evad37 [talk] 01:04, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I really dont the why of all the parameters for the templates, I just copied to create Toodyay, and thought there has to be easier way than this... I think there needs to be two categories, for when the plaques are in place(printed) and ones that have yet to be done. We also need to consider how to replicate this as more WikiTowns are created so it may be best to have the in place incorporated and retain a separate template for catching the potential that way as new projects develop they can create the holding template easy enough. Gnangarra 07:46, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

The way I've got the code at the moment, any future Someplacepedia can be added by changing the line

|note 5={{#switch:{{lc:{{{wikitown|}}}}}|freo|toodyay=yes}}

to

|note 5={{#switch:{{lc:{{{wikitown|}}}}}|freo|toodyay|someplace=yes}}

and making sure the appropriate project pages/categories are created. And a custom image can be specified in the |NOTE_5_IMAGE section of the code. So it should be fairly easy to add new wikitowns.

Based on what you said, I think that as well as the |wikitown= parameter, there should be a second parameter, |QR=yes or |QR=no, which would change the wording and category used for the QR code plaque was in pace or not. We'd have to decide what the default behaviour would be - defaulting to the message/cat for when the plaque hasn't been installed yet would seem to make sense.

As for the message itself, maybe we should turn it around so that the project is towards the beginning instead of at the end... something like

• This article is within the scope of WikiTown Someplacepedia, and will be linked to by one or more organisations, using QRpedia.
• This article is within the scope of WikiTown Someplacepedia, and is linked to by one or more organisations, using QRpedia. Statistics are available.

(the first for articles without a plaque yet, the second for those with a plaque). If your happy with this I'll do the coding for it in the sandbox, and then it can be tested and added to the main template. (Or if I've misunderstood – I'm a little tired at the moment – you can explain it again :) - Evad37 [talk] 14:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Gnangarra: I've refined the coding in the sandbox per the above. Just to clarify, usage would be as follows:

• Usage for articles: Add |wikitown=someplace to the talkpage banner to mark an article as within the scope of Someplacepedia. This would also place the page in Category:Articles that will be linked to by Someplacepedia. If a QR plaque has been installed, also add |QR=yes , which will adjust the message and include the statistics link, and place the page in Category:Articles linked to by Someplacepedia.
• To set up a new wikitown: To add a new WikiTown project, such as WikiTown Foobarpedia: (1) add |foobar to the line {{#switch:{{lc:{{{wikitown|}}}}}|freo|toodyay=yes}} (before the =yes); (2) add the line |foobar = <some relevent image>.jpg below where the ones for the other projects are specified (or if not specified, the image will default to a QR code); (3) Create the pages/categories Wikipedia:Foobarpedia, Category:Articles linked to by Foobarpedia, Category:Articles that will be linked to by Foobarpedia.

Would this fit with what you're looking for? - Evad37 [talk] 05:26, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thats great work it sounds good on the setup and looks simple enough to be updated... as for wording I think;

• This article is linked via WikiTown Someplace using QR coding Statistics are available.
• This article is within the scope of WikiTown Somplaceelse will be linked to in the future via QR coding.

or something like that the wording in the current forms feels very cludgy may @Mitch Ames: can help with this. Gnangarra 10:38, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

WikiTown Toodyaypedia is a defined project, so "within the scope of ..." make sense. However, what does "is linked via WikiTown Toodyaypedia" or "is linked to by one or more organisations" actually mean? I don't believe it tells us anything. So far as I can tell from QRpedia (and I admit to knowing nothing about the subject other than what I read in that article), all of the plaques encode a URL, qrwp.org/Article_name, and qrwp.org redirects the browser to (the mobile version of) the Wikipedia article in the appropriate language, or a Google translation of the article. All such articles - regardless of what town they are in, or whether or not there is a WikiTown project - are linked via the single organization QRpedia and/or its server qrwp.org. More accurate text might be:

• qr=yes: This article is within the scope of WikiTown Toodyaypedia, and is the target of a QRpedia link. Statistics are available.
• qr=no: This article is within the scope of WikiTown Toodyaypedia.

Note that qr=no does not mention future QRpedia, because according to Category:WikiTowns "WikiTowns are projects based in towns that support Wikipedia outreach activity" - there's no requirement for a WikiTown to use QRpedia now or in future. We might declare our intent to install QRpedia plaques on the project page, but I don't think we gain anything by declaring automatically - and possibly incorrectly - that intent on each article talk page.

It's possible that there are links to the article from something other the QRpedia plaques; eg the Toodyay Shire or Historical Society might, with our explicit assistance as part of the WikiTown project, put links to a Wikipedia article from the relevant page on their websites about each historical building. We might want to indicate that specifically (eg as we do for QRpedia), but if so, it should probably be separate template parameter (eg otherlinks=), because such links and QRpedia are independent of each other. If we do that, we can either:

• Add some extra words covering those links, which means we have to think up some appropriate words (eg " linked to by external organisations associated with the WikiTown", but needs refining), and have complicated template syntax to cover the punctuation etc for all four combinations of qr= and otherlinks=
• if otherlink=yes, ignore qr= and revert to just "linked to by other organisations", which is vague, but correct.

(And again, if otherlink=no the template gives no indication of future intent.)

So, it seems we need to answer the question: is the template to be limited to QRpedia only, or do we want to explicitly mention links to Wikipedia articles from other external sites (related to the WikiTown project)?

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:54, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

As always good points knew Mitch would be able to help, QR coding is the primary aim at the moment but your right there will be alternative linking method being use both via web links and NFC technology there are bound to be other formats as well. so the base text would be this article is within the scope of WikiTown Toodyaypedia then link=qr would add this article is the target of a QRpedia link. Statistics are available. link=other returning linked to by other organisations if specific stats are available for other link types then a parameter for them can be added. link= with no value would just not be shown Gnangarra 13:41, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I think the QR link should be separate from other links - who is to say that an article won't have both a QR plaque and a link from an external website? So maybe we could have the |QR=yes / no (or blank), and a separate |link= parameter for linking back to webpage that links to the article – eg |link=http://www.toodyay.wa.gov.au/connor-s-mill.aspx producing something like "It is linked to by an associated organisation." (or similar/better wording). Keeping this part as a separate sentence, whether the article is QR linked or not, would perhaps simplify the punctuation situation. The "It is linked" could be changed to "It is also linked" for |QR=yes - Evad37 [talk] 16:18, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

QR coding ... alternative linking method being use both via web links and NFC technology ...
Some thoughts... QRpedia combines two independent technologies, QR codes (encoding url=qrwp.org) and "redirect to Wikipedia article in my preferred language". Imagine there were circumstances where NFC (or some other front end technology) might be desirable instead of (or as well as) QR code, and someone implemented it; the second part of QRpedia (redirect to preferred language Wikipedia) does not need to change. The qrwp server might not even need to know whether the front end is QR or NFC - that's merely a way of encoding a qrwp.org url. (Demonstration of this - tell my browser that my preferred language is French, then type in an URL of http://en.qrwp.org/Toodyay, and it take me to the French mobile version of the Toodyay article - no actual QR code was used.) Would "QRpedia" change its name then? Probably not. If someone were to implement NFC front-ends - and some WikiTowns used only QRcodes, some used only NFC, and some used both - would we bother with distinguishing in the template between QR code plaques and NFC readers? We could if we wanted to, eg |NFC=yes.

Links from external web sites are more useful because - as Evad37 demonstrates above - we can link back to them. Linked to by "an associated organisation" still sounds clunky, but why not allow customizable text: |link=http://www.toodyay.wa.gov.au/connor-s-mill.aspx|linkfrom=the Shire's web site gives "It is linked to from the Shire's web site." Could/should we have a per-WikiTown value or default, so we don't have to put it on every page? Mitch Ames (talk) 02:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

The |linkfrom= parameter seems like a good idea, but I think the default needs to be more generalised - otherwise, if an editor just pastes in the url without using the |linkfrom= parameter, the template could wrongly imply an affiliation between the default organisation and some other website. Seems safer – and easier for coding – to have something general like "associated organisation" if |linkfrom= hasn't been specified. - Evad37 [talk] 05:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

what about saying linked by a collaborative partner that way it doesnt get misused for say something like bobs book of birdies dot org and the template document can specify its for WikiTown collaborative partners if they link from their official site only... Gnangarra 13:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of the wording of any default value |linkfrom=, I agree we do need to state explicitly in the documentation that the parameter is for WikiTown partners (or words to that effect) only. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

categories

• In light of the discussion above, what categories do we to use? Perhaps "Someplacepedia articles" with a subcat "Articles linked to by Someplacepedia" (similar to existing categories) – or should QR-linked articles be in a separate category to otherwise-linked articles? - Evad37 [talk] 12:15, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
  • for categories I think,
    • QR linked Australian articles
    • WikiTown Someplace articles
    • Articles linked to by Someplacepedia
  • the category:Articles linked to by Someplacepedia would then be a sub category of the other two Gnangarra 11:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, I think we should be basically good to go, except that "WikiTown Someplace articles" should be "WikiTown Someplacepedia articles" (otherwise we would get cats like "WikiTown Freo articles" rather than "WikiTown Freopedia articles"). I'll just wait for @Mitch Ames: to comment, as it is easier to fix any issues now rather than at a CFD. - Evad37 [talk] 02:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Articles linked to by Someplacepedia should be a subcat of WikiTown Someplacepedia articles, because we've agreed that |linkfrom= is only for WikiTown partners. However Articles linked to by Someplacepedia should not be a subcat of QR linked Australian articles, because membership of the first does not imply membership of the second. Nor is the reverse true. Eg an article can be an Article linked to by Someplacepedia without having a QR code. Likewise there may be articles linked to via QRpedia that are not part of an Australian WikiTown, eg Talk:Children's Chapel, St James' Church, Sydney. Thus in the category hierarchy, Articles linked to by Someplacepedia and QR linked Australian articles are independent, as are WikiTown Someplacepedia articles and QR linked Australian articles.

We already have Category:Articles linked to by QRpedia, so QR linked Australian articles should perhaps be Australian articles linked to by QRpedia (and a subcat of Category:Articles linked to by QRpedia) - and, as already implied, not everything in that category will be a part of a WikiTown or even necessarily be part of an Australian WikiProject.

We should probably also be asking for input from WT:QR.

See also: Help talk:Mobile access#QRpedia. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, perhaps a better category structure would be Articles linked to by Someplacepedia as a subcat of WikiTown Someplacepedia articles, Australian articles linked to by QRpedia as a subcat of Articles linked to by QRpedia, and use "See also" hatnotes to link Australian articles linked to by QRpedia and Australian articles linked to by WikiTowns, which would be a container for all the Articles linked to by Someplacepedia categories.

In anycase, I think the code to categorise the pages would be the same:

• |wikitown=someplace → Category:WikiTown Someplacepedia articles
• |wikitown=someplace|link=<somelink> → Category:WikiTown Someplacepedia articles & Category:Articles linked to by Someplacepedia
• |wikitown=someplace|QR=yes → Category:WikiTown Someplacepedia articles & Category:Articles linked to by Someplacepedia & Category:Australian articles linked to by QRpedia

If an article is linked by QRpedia but not part of a WikiTown project, the situation would be the same as at the moment (a separate template doing its own categorisation) - Evad37 [talk] 14:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• just a thought would it not be better to have Category:Articles linked via QRpedia in Australia as not all topics are specifically Australian aka Herbert Hoover, US Submarine Assoc, Royal Marines and a couple of others that have been coded in Connors Mill Gnangarra 00:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually, since this will be used on articles which won't have a WP:AUS talk page banner, maybe the code should be in a separate {{Australian WikiTown}} template, and then shortcut templates like {{Someplacepedia}} could automatically fill in |wikitown=someplace, and pass through the values of the other parameters. It would still be just as easy to code for new Wikitowns, and the documentation page would then be specific for the wikitown parameters, so the explanation of the link / linkfrom parameters would be less likely to be overlooked. Or perhaps it could be even more generalised to just {{wikitown}} with a |country= parameter (to be filled in by the shortcut templates) which could set Category:Articles linked via QRpedia in Country - Evad37 [talk] 01:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
    • makes sense too then non australian WikiTowns could also follow suit and even have them nested together where article are in multiple projects like Moondyne Joe Gnangarra 08:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
      • I've done some coding in my sandbox, User:Evad37/sandbox/Template:Wikitown/testcases is the result. I haven't yet done the QRpedia in Country categories, but the rest is working, including nesting multiple wikitowns. - Evad37 [talk] 13:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
        • All done now (except that Wikipedia:WikiTown is a redlink). I used namespace detection, so that only article talk pages use the above categories. Other talk pages, such for the main project page, will use Category:WikiTown Someplacepedia project pages (so that the banner can be placed on the talk pages of all the wikitown's categories, templates, Wikipedia: pages etc). If your happy with this, I can move the sandbox code into proper templates. - Evad37 [talk] 02:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
          • go for it, other tinkering can be done once live, like changing the images to an actual plate... Gnangarra 12:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
            •  Done, mostly. I changed the banners User:Elrebe56 previously added to {{Toodyaypedia|QR=yes}}, and I've started putting the plain {{Toodyaypedia}} on the talk pages of the articles listed at Wikipedia:Toodyaypedia#New_Articles. (And I've done similar for the freopedia articles marked with Y on the project page) - Evad37 [talk] 15:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

hello

Hi, Neat post. There is a problem with your web site in internet explorer, would check this… IE still is the market leader and a huge portion of people will miss your fantastic writing due to this problem. best wishes

Could you be a bit more specific about the problem? Which page, which version of IE, exactly what the problem is?

(Possibly this should be moved to WP:PUMPTECH.) Mitch Ames (talk) 03:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Parameters aliases

Using many parameter aliases may cause undetected duplicated parameters. I suggest that we cleanup the code and keep only one name per parameter. @Redrose64, Frietjes, WOSlinker, and Jonesey95:. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Having parameter aliases makes the template easier to use for the end user. I don't think we should be making things unnecessarily harder when alternative technical measures are possible - ie coding so that if a parameter and its alias are both defined, the page is added to a tracking category (definitely possible with #if: statements, possibly could be done better in Lua). Also, users of this template should be notified at WP:AWNB - Evad37 [talk] 00:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, see User talk:Frietjes#Template:WikiProject Australia. But we should make sure that the template is internally consistent - for example the three parameters |motorsport= |V8= |v8= are aliases with equal precedence in the main part of the template, but when the template is nested in {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} etc., |motorsport= has precedence over |v8= which in turn has precedence over |V8=. Associated with these is an importance parameter - but for that, the order of precedence is |motorsport-importance= |V8-importance= |v8-importance= --Redrose64 (talk) 02:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Update WMAU logo

Could Wikimedia Australia.svg be updated to WMAU 2017 vertical logo (colour).svg? Bidgee (talk) 09:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 14:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

QLD vs qld

I have just noticed that there is a difference between writing QLD=y or qld=y in that the first produces the State Library of Queensland and the second doesn't, as illustrated in this diff. I would have expected QLD and qld to behave identically. I experimented with NSW vs nsw and again they are different. I am guessing this is an all-states bug. Kerry (talk) 06:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: Indeed, a problem for all states, plus Northern Territory. In this edit, I have made them consistent in the manner that you noticed with the libraries, and have also made precedence consistent too - all capitals (like |QLD=yes) has precedence over all small (like |qld=yes) which itself has precedence over full name (like |Queensland=yes). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:49, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I just noticed that all WikiProject Austalia banners are now mentioning "State Library of New South Wales" even when there is no NSW field in use, e.g. Talk:Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Act 2015 (no state selected) or Talk:Hobart Town Hall (Tasmania selected). Kerry (talk) 03:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

That is something that really needs correcting - lets hope someone can fix that JarrahTree 04:27, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

 Fixed, there was a stray { that needed to be removed - Evad37 [talk] 04:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that JarrahTree 05:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

My bad. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

No Big Deal - at least it wasnt referring to QLD as the centre of the universe - all is well JarrahTree 00:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Image Requests - Template-protected edit request on 2 November 2018

Please add the following to the template:

|note 7 = {{{needs-photo|{{{needs-image|{{{image-needed|{{{photo-needed|}}}}}}}}}}}}
 |NOTE_7_TEXT     =  It is requested that an '''image''' or '''images''' be [[Wikipedia:Uploading images|included]] in this article to [[Wikipedia:Guide to improving articles|improve its quality]].
 |NOTE_7_IMAGE    = Camera-photo.svg
 |NOTE_7_CAT      = Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia

so that the template can accept image requests into the preexisting Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia. The change is implemented in the sandbox. Nessie (talk) 19:24, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:48, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

"Warning: Page using Template:WikiProject Australia with unknown parameter "needs-image" (this message is shown only in preview)." Template-protected edit request on 3 November 2018

Looks like the image requesting throws an error. SO change:

{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown=[[Category:WikiProject Australia banners with unknown parameters|_VALUE_]]<span class="error" style="display:none">HIDDEN ERROR: Usage of "_VALUE_" is not recognized</span>|preview=Page using [[Template:WikiProject Australia]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"| small | category | listas | class | auto | importance | attention | needs-infobox | orphan | acotf | ACOTF | collaboration-candidate | past-ACOTF | past-collaboration | ACR | places | places-importance | place | place-importance | ACT | ACT-importance | act | act-importance | NSW | NSW-importance | nsw | nsw-importance | QLD | QLD-importance | qld | qld-importance | Queensland | Queensland-importance | NT | NT-importance | nt | nt-importance | SA | SA-importance| sa | sa-importance | VIC | TAS | TAS-importance | tas | tas-importance | Tasmania | Tasmania-importance | VIC | VIC-importance | vic | vic-importance | Victoria | Victoria-importance | WA | WA-importance | wa | wa-importance | Riverina | Riverina-importance | riverina | riverina-importance | Adelaide | Adelaide-importance | Brisbane | Canberra | Canberra-importance | Geelong | Geelong-importance | Melbourne | Melbourne-importance | Perth | Perth-importance | Sydney | Sydney-importance | Law | Law-importance | law | law-importance | crime | crime-importance | military | military-importance | history | history-importance | maritime | maritime-importance | explore | explore-importance | politics | politics-importance | education | education-importance | edu | edu-importance | NYS | NYS-importance | nys | nys-importance | cinema | cinema-importance | film | film-importance | television | television-importance | tv | tv-importance | music | music-importance | literature | literature-importance | biota | biota-importance | fauna | fauna-importance | sports | sports-importance | baseball | baseball-importance | nbl | nbl-importance | NBL | NBL-importance | basketball | basketball-importance | AFL | AFL-importance | afl | afl-importance | football | aleague | nrl | nrl-importance | motorsport | motorsport-importance | V8 | V8-importance | v8 | v8-importance | Demographics | Demographics-importance | Indigenous | Indigenous-importance | Antarctic | Antarctic-importance | antarctic | antarctic-importance | AAT | AAT-importance | aat | aat-importance}}<noinclude>

To include:

needs-photo | needs-image | image-needed | photo-needed

as follows:

{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown=[[Category:WikiProject Australia banners with unknown parameters|_VALUE_]]<span class="error" style="display:none">HIDDEN ERROR: Usage of "_VALUE_" is not recognized</span>|preview=Page using [[Template:WikiProject Australia]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"| small | category | listas | class | auto | importance | attention | needs-infobox | orphan | acotf | ACOTF | collaboration-candidate | past-ACOTF | past-collaboration | ACR | places | places-importance | place | place-importance | ACT | ACT-importance | act | act-importance | NSW | NSW-importance | nsw | nsw-importance | QLD | QLD-importance | qld | qld-importance | Queensland | Queensland-importance | NT | NT-importance | nt | nt-importance | SA | SA-importance| sa | sa-importance | VIC | TAS | TAS-importance | tas | tas-importance | Tasmania | Tasmania-importance | VIC | VIC-importance | vic | vic-importance | Victoria | Victoria-importance | WA | WA-importance | wa | wa-importance | Riverina | Riverina-importance | riverina | riverina-importance | Adelaide | Adelaide-importance | Brisbane | Canberra | Canberra-importance | Geelong | Geelong-importance | Melbourne | Melbourne-importance | Perth | Perth-importance | Sydney | Sydney-importance | Law | Law-importance | law | law-importance | crime | crime-importance | military | military-importance | history | history-importance | maritime | maritime-importance | explore | explore-importance | politics | politics-importance | education | education-importance | edu | edu-importance | NYS | NYS-importance | nys | nys-importance | cinema | cinema-importance | film | film-importance | television | television-importance | tv | tv-importance | music | music-importance | literature | literature-importance | biota | biota-importance | fauna | fauna-importance | sports | sports-importance | baseball | baseball-importance | nbl | nbl-importance | NBL | NBL-importance | basketball | basketball-importance | AFL | AFL-importance | afl | afl-importance | football | aleague | nrl | nrl-importance | motorsport | motorsport-importance | V8 | V8-importance | v8 | v8-importance | Demographics | Demographics-importance | Indigenous | Indigenous-importance | Antarctic | Antarctic-importance | antarctic | antarctic-importance | AAT | AAT-importance | aat | aat-importance | needs-photo | needs-image | image-needed | photo-needed}}<noinclude>

Nessie (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:49, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 July 2019

This bit

 |tf 3={{{nrl|}}}
  |TF_3_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league
  |TF_3_NESTED         = Rugby

the last parameter should be "Rugby league" 180.150.71.154 (talk) 08:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 13:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Perth assessment

The Perth task force doesn't have an assessment cat set, which means that a default is being generated based upon |TF_9_NAME=the Perth task force and so pages are ending up in the (non-existent) Category:Stub-Class the Perth task force articles etc. I suspect that it should be set to |TF_9_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Perth articles. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Redrose64, I noticed that the top most wanted categories in Special:WantedCategories are dominated by these malformed Perth categories. I was just about to suggest that the task force adopt a categorization of Category:Stub-Class Perth articles, etc., which I believe is pretty much what you've said. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I've made the change and am in the process of restoring the various cats that were deleted a decade ago. Primefac (talk) 15:01, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Typo in rater-data.js

The sub-template Template:WikiProject Australia/rater-data.js contains a typo, "Nothern" instead of "Northern". I have no idea what the sub-page is for, so cannot tell whether fixing the typo would break something. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@Evad37: is this .js subpage anything to do with WP:RATER? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@John of Reading and Redrose64: It's a data page for the old, unmaintained version at User:Kephir/gadgets/rater. Correcting a typo shouldn't break anything. (My version checks the templates themselves, and their TemplateData, so that it doesn't rely on an obscure undocumented subpage that can easily get out of sync with the template). - Evad37 [talk] 00:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

OK, that's  Done -- John of Reading (talk) 07:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Topic suggestion

Should we have a topic section for Transport? eg: trains, trams, buses, paddle boats, etc Trainsofvictoria (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 22 June 2022

Please change "for other than editorial assistance" to "for non-editorial assistance"; this clarifies the phrasing. Thanks! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 01:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 04:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Australia/testcases

Kia ora koutou from Aotearoa! Could I request a change at Template:WikiProject Australia/testcases? The test cage page is being listed on the requested photograph pages for Africa, Australia and NZ - would it be alright if someone altered this so it wouldn't have the categories on the page (or have the categories, but in a way that the test page isn't automatically added)? --Prosperosity (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Prosperosity: This is what |category=no is intended for. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Redrose64: All of the templates use |category=no already as far as I can tell, but the page is still being populated into categories. --Prosperosity (talk) 00:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I wrote "intended". The banner was compliant until September 2019, when this edit was made by Awkwafaba (talk · contribs). This edit should fix it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:46, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 30 November 2022

After line "TF_5_MAIN_CAT = Australian Antarctic Territory articles" add:

|tf 6={{{transport|}}}
  |TF_6_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian transport
  |TF_6_NAME           = WikiProject Australian transport
  |TF_6_IMAGE          = New South Wales Government Locomotive No. 1.jpg
  |TF_6_QUALITY        = subpage
  |tf 6 importance={{{transport-importance|{{{importance|}}}}}}
  |TF_6_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Australian transport articles
  |TF_6_MAIN_CAT       = WikiProject Australian transport articles

... After line "TF_6_NESTED = Noongar" add:

|tf 7={{{transport|}}}
  |TF_7_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian transport
  |TF_7_NESTED        = Transport

... In "#invoke:Check for unknown parameters" add:

transport | transport-importance

ThylacineHunter (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@ThylacineHunter: Please do not post code blobs on talk pages, they are sometimes difficult to follow or determine context, are not always easy to determine where they should be used, and always difficult to test. Therefore,  Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. But even if you do that, we also need to see that the WikiProject as a whole has requested this, so please provide a link to the discussion where this addition was proposed and agreed upon. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

JarrahTree, are you able to help me with this, as it was a result of our talk? -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 10:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 27 June 2023

Could the changes made at https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Australia%2Fsandbox&diff=1162173664&oldid=1162006497 be made on this template. We are in the process of starting up Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian Transport and would like to have the project integrated into this template. Steelkamp (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. Please update the /doc page as needed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 14:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Steelkamp (talk) 14:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

my pleasure! Paine  14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Both needs-photo and state parameters

Is there a way to include pages in "Wikipedia requested photographs in [STATE]" when adding both |needs-photo= and the state (for example) |Victoria=?
I see it can be done if |in= is used or by adding {{Image requested|in=Victoria (state)}}, but I feel this is a little redundant as I've already said the state.
Current options are:

{{WikiProject Australia|Victoria=yes|needs-photo=yes|in=Victoria (state)}}

or

{{WikiProject Australia|Victoria=yes|needs-photo=yes}}
{{Image requested|in=Victoria (state)}}

ThylacineHunter (talk) 15:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia has lots of sub-categories, it's going to be difficult to code for them all. Assuming that you want the six states plus NT and ACT as a bare minimum, which others would be needed? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I think just the states (and NT/ACT), as most things would fall under one of those (things that don't are probably related to general Australia). It would help if we could distribute the currently 1,415 such tagged pages to the appropriate states/territories where people are more likely to then be able to add the pictures. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

This edit should do it. Basically, if there's a parameter that triggers one or more of the eight state/territory task forces, the page will be categorised into the appropriate one of eight specific subcats of Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia; if none apply, it'll go into Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia itself. Note that |Perth=yes will trigger the WA category, but |Sydney=yes won't trigger the NSW cat. This is in line with how the state task forces operate.

But as ever, please show consensus for this change. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

It could be possible to also get the ones like |Sydney= to also trigger the state image. I could probably add that in after I see how the state parameter ones are done. (I just need to see what the coding is first as I thought of 2 different ways to integrate the state parameter bit in) -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 00:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I would prefer to be consistent. Perth and Canberra are special cases: they are the only two parameters that are specific to an area within a state or territory that also triggers the state/territory within which it lies - setting |Perth=yes also implicitly sets |WA=yes even if that is omitted, and setting |Canberra=yes also implicitly sets |ACT=yes even if that is omitted.

If the combination of |Sydney=yes with |needs-photo=yes is to trigger Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in New South Wales, |Sydney=yes should also trigger WikiProject New South Wales. At the moment only |NSW=yes and |nsw=yes do that. Similarly for Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne (we don't have a task force for Hobart). That accounts for all bar one of the city-specific taskforces: so for completeness, Geelong should be considered too, being the only other city to have its own taskforce.

But for any of this, I do need to see consensus at WT:WikiProject Australia. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I can understand why Canberra is that way, but why is Perth? -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 09:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

It goes back more than ten years, to this edit by MSGJ (talk · contribs) which was made per this discussion. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Interesting...

It seems to be a forgotten remnant from 8 November 2012, back when Perth was still only a task force (didn't become a project until 12 October 2017) -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 14:57, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Any updates on a consensus for this? -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

The actual sense of consensus there (the AWNB - notice board) or here - I suggest in the strongest sense that we forge ahead with getting this done - with many thanks to Redrose64 for the help in this matter JarrahTree 05:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Future-Class

Is it possible to get "Future-Class" added to this? (unsure how to do that, otherwise I'd have added it to the sandbox)
It is used on the sister project "Australia road transport" and is needed for the Australian Transport subproject for future things like Melbourne Airport rail link, Suburban Rail Loop, Sydney Metro City & Southwest, Metro Tunnel, Inland Rail, Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport, Sydney Metro West to name just a few. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 10:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

More information about the future-class...

Criteria:

A topic about which details are subject to change often.

The article covers a future topic of which no broadcast version exists so far and all information is subject to change when new information arises from reliable sources. With multiple reliable sources, there might be information that contradicts other information in the same or other articles. Not all future categories will be rated with "Future" and may be rated like normal.

Reader's experience:

Amount of meaningful content varies over time as the projected event draws near.

Editing suggestions:

Material added might be speculation and should be carefully sourced.

ThylacineHunter (talk) 10:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

It's actually quite easy, there are two things to do (described later). But before these are done, we require consensus from the WikiProject as a whole, and not the request of one individual.

Once consensus is obtained, the procedure is as follows. Edit Template:WikiProject Australia/class and add the parameter |future=yes, and save it. Seven message boxes will appear, containing text like "Some of the categories required do not currently exist, and need to be created". For each of the seven message boxes, click the "create" link and save the page without altering the contents of the edit box. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I was hoping by posting this suggestion here to get some consensus on it. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia has 195 watchers (23 of whom visited the page recently); this page has 41 watchers, of whom just two visited the page recently - you and me. So nobody else is likely to comment here. To obtain the consensus of any WikiProject, the talk page for that WikiProject is always the place to go. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

point re responses so far - I would suggest the wider oz project has very few eds who are interested in the transport project - and those interested have actually come to this page - so while there is not unanimous consensus - you have here a particularly good sample of those interested in the transport project actually here on this page JarrahTree 06:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The request is to add Future-Class to the scale for WikiProject Australia, I don't see why the opinion of the transport people should carry any greater weight than anyone else. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Seems like a solid idea. Would help in tracking these sorts of things. Maybe in addition, if necessary, some more categories for these sorts of articles too. Fork99 (talk) 05:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC) (edited 07:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC) by Fork99)

I oppose adding a future class to the template. I don't really see the point. Things that are opening in the future (Suburban Rail Loop as an example) can still be rated as a stub, start, B, GA class. Bypassing the whole article rating scheme for future projects seems weird. Steelkamp (talk) 05:53, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The nature of transport schemes or plans is that inherently many projects throughout wikipedia have to deal with the future and in some cases money and political issues keep the articles and subject stretching out in a correct tense. They have not been completed and should not deserve a currency that they do not belong to while in process. JarrahTree 05:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

And yet Template:WikiProject Australian Roads uses Future-Class (as do most road WikiProjects) see Category:Future-Class Australia road transport articles. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 06:06, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

For example East West Link (Melbourne), WikiProject Australia rates it B-class while WikiProject Australian Roads rate it future-class. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 06:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Would say no as its simply not a class scale. Moxy- 06:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, given the discussion that has taken place, I take back my statement earlier. Fork99 (talk) 07:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)