Template:Did you know nominations/The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican

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The result was: promoted by Flibirigit (talk) 04:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican

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... that The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican are an English parody band who play "with fluorescent tank tops and dodgy wigs" in celebration of singer Val Doonican? Sources; "The Bar Steward Sons of Val Doonican complete with fluorescent tank tops and dodgy wigs were an absolute highlight" [1] "Named after the late Irish easy listening singer Val Doonican, the band’s mission is to keep their late, great spiritual father’s legacy alive through novelty songs." [2]

Reviewed: N/A (<5 noms)
Comment: New Article

Created by Black Kite (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Interesting band, on good sources, no copyvio obvious, quotations clearly marked and sourced. I don't know much about the topic, so may ask silly questions ;) - Is it right that the players use stage names? When such a name is pipe-linked to a real one, shouldn't the other article contain this stage name? Or should the real name also be shown in the band article? Otherwise I find it confusing. Piping to a different band is even more confusing. - In the hook, can we mention "parody" because that seems the key difference to others? - I like some quotes for reception, but the longish one that more or less only says that people stand in line for them could probably reworded for brevity. - I can't help being surprised by the singular/plural of "the band play", but guess those are the beauties of English. It wouldn't work in German ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: - Thanks for that - I've unlinked the confusing names in the "occasional members" section. It is confusing, because (for example) Simon Friend and Maart Allcock only use those names when playing with the Doonicans, not when playing with their own bands - so hopefully that'll be clearer now. The main performers, however, do indeed use their stage names not only on stage but on social media and everywhere else. Added "parody" to the hook (probably should have done this to begin with). I can't think how to shorten that quote without making it seem a bit dull? Black Kite (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

fine, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I have pulled this from the queue as I ran into a couple of issues with it. Firstly, "in celebration of Val Doonican" doesn't seem quite accurate and isn't supported in the sources; also it kind of implies they are a tribute band playing Val Doonican numbers when that doesn't seem to be the case. Also, the lead states that they wear their gear "in tribute to Val Doonican's traditionally loud jumpers" but again there is no mention of this in the sources (nor any mention of "loud" jumpers in the Val Doonican article). So I think this one needs a little more work. Gatoclass (talk) 09:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I have sourced the fact that Doonican was famous for his knitwear, and removed "loud". Black Kite (talk) 12:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican are an English parody band who wear knitted jumpers similar to those worn by singer Val Doonican"? (sourced as above plus source 9 (Farmer Phil's Festival - "(the) suggestion of taking on Val Doonican’s surname in vain, inspired our image of the sexy hair and knitwear.")
ALT2 ... that The Bar-Steward Sons of Val Doonican are an English parody band whose "mission is to keep their spiritual father Val Doonican's legacy alive"? (sourced as above)

Both those hooks look fine Black Kite, thank you for the quick response. However, as I spent 90 minutes verifying that set earlier this evening and am tired, I think it would be best if I left the verification until tomorrow as I might overlook something if I continue on now. If somebody else wants to verify the above alts in the meantime, be my guest. Gatoclass (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Okay, I've had a chance to revisit this today, and on reflection, I'm not that keen on ALT1. ALT2 looks good (though I've made a slight tweak for accuracy), but the quote doesn't appear to be in the article. If you want to add it somewhere, we can probably restore this to the queue. Gatoclass (talk) 07:49, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: ALT2 is fine. I've added the quote into the lead (where the source already was). I thought it was there already, for some reason! Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

- Restoring the tick for ALT2 per the above discussion. Mifter (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)