Template:Did you know nominations/Macadamia nuts controversy
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 19:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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Nut rage incident
edit- ... that the nut rage controversy in Korea was focused on the abuse of power by members of powerful family businesses?
- Reviewed: Malayang Pagkakaisa ng Kabataan Pilipino
- Comment: There's probably a better hook for this... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Created by -revi (talk), Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC).
- Maybe we can link to Chaebul in the hook. — Revi 10:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- I piped the word behind "powerful family businesses". Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1... that a Korean airline official resigned over some macadamia nuts?
- ALT2... that a flight attendant was fired and a long-haul flight was delayed at John F. Kennedy International Airport over a bag of nuts? Fuebaey (talk) 14:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Readable prose size is 3000+ characters, which is over the 1500 required, so the article is long enough and new. The information is backed with citations to reliable sources. The information meets Wikipedia's neutrality requirements, although I did pause that this article is almost all of Wikipedia's information about Heather Cho. Still, I think this incident deserves its own article because the event has its own life as a discussion point for considering the Chaebul tradition, and less because of any individuality that Heather Cho expressed in the event. I spot checked 3 phrases in the article by Google searching for their matches; because I found no match, it is my opinion that this is supporting evidence that the writing here is original. The hook is long enough and interesting. Someone else may write a version which includes showing the word "Chaebul" but I think since this is a Korean term not known outside of Korea, piping the word behind its meaning is best. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, can't resist:
- ALT3 ... that controversy arose over dissatisfaction with a Korean airline official's nut bag?
- EEng (talk) 21:14, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
This article is clearly a content fork of Heather Cho. Now at AFD. Yoninah (talk) 01:47, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- Too bad. Losing that hook is like a kick in the nuts. EEng (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
AFD closed as no consensus. We can proceed with this nom. Yoninah (talk) 11:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- I'd assume we can just pass it by reverting to User:Bluerasberry's GTG pass? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Can we run ALT3? Can we? Please please please please can we? (Paaging Yoninah, Martinevans123.) EEng (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Forking nuts? Blue raspberries?? A kick in the conkers??? A real nutty Choo??? Whatever next. It's all very testosterone fuelled, isn't it! Whoever this Kim Chee woman is, she should be sacked! But I do hope so. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- If you use the phrase "should be sacked" in close proximity to Lucy Pinder, the Gender Gap Task Force will be after your nuts Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:28, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Forking nuts? Blue raspberries?? A kick in the conkers??? A real nutty Choo??? Whatever next. It's all very testosterone fuelled, isn't it! Whoever this Kim Chee woman is, she should be sacked! But I do hope so. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Can we run ALT3? Can we? Please please please please can we? (Paaging Yoninah, Martinevans123.) EEng (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Too bad. Losing that hook is like a kick in the nuts. EEng (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT3 sounds like a good April 1 hook, but then I'd be nuts to suggest that, wouldn't I? Everything else checks out per BlueRaspberry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Oh, c'mon. We don't need to wait for 4/1. Per Ritchie, let's consider:
- ALT4 ... that a Korean airline official's upset with her nut bag could lead to her getting the sack or land her in the can?
- EEng (talk) 22:22, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- ALT5 ... that over-reaction to a nut bag could end up costing Korean Airlines up to 2 million US dollars? (PS: I'm going for the British English version of "nutbag" meaning insane person, such as one who edits DYK nominations regularly, for example) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- ... surely, you mean fruit and nut case? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Only if you're one of those people.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:44, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note to @Mandarax: this page has been moved to Nut rage incident. Yoninah (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Honestly I think that title's too general -- this isn't going to enter enduring human consciousness as "The Nut Rage Incident". Let me suggest something a bit more descriptive, like 2014 Korean Air Lines nut rage incident. But not a big deal. I do hope you can all get behind ALT4 -- it could be another Steakburger!!! I wonder what picture we could get to go with it? Or, adapting Ritchie333's nut-bag idea:
- Only if you're one of those people.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:44, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- ... surely, you mean fruit and nut case? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- ALT5 ... that over-reaction to a nut bag could end up costing Korean Airlines up to 2 million US dollars? (PS: I'm going for the British English version of "nutbag" meaning insane person, such as one who edits DYK nominations regularly, for example) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, c'mon. We don't need to wait for 4/1. Per Ritchie, let's consider:
- ALT6 ... that a Korean Air official's nut-bag outburst could get her the sack or land her in the can?
Also, in whatever the hook, I think the company is best referred to as Korean Air. EEng (talk) 00:49, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- What!? In the can?? ... but not the famous experimental Krautrockers, then... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- How do you come up with this shit (so to speak)? EEng (talk) 12:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- Dont' worry it'll soon all be in the can. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- How do you come up with this shit (so to speak)? EEng (talk) 12:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I think my original hook or alt3 are the best. We are not a tabloid, and we should focus on big social issues, rather than a celebrity loosing a job. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- You're confusing the strategy with the goal. If your goal is to get people to read the article, wherein they may learn something about the big social issue, the best strategy is to use a hooky hook that gets them to click. No click = no learning. No one's gonna actually learn anything about the big social issues from a hook, and that includes ALT0. EEng (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- One click learning?! What a brilliant idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- You're confusing the strategy with the goal. If your goal is to get people to read the article, wherein they may learn something about the big social issue, the best strategy is to use a hooky hook that gets them to click. No click = no learning. No one's gonna actually learn anything about the big social issues from a hook, and that includes ALT0. EEng (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- It seems bizarre that the nuts have should have grown bigger than the lady herself? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether the relation with the nuts and one of the queen from Joseon exists. (Or my English is not that fluent to understand your humour...) Anyway, I'd +1 for ALT3 too. — Revi 16:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- Apologies, I'm merely suggesting Cho considers herself to be royalty. But that nut rage page is quite a bit bigger than her. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- Got it. I can't deny that they (probably) think themselves as a royalty... :P — Revi 03:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- Apologies, I'm merely suggesting Cho considers herself to be royalty. But that nut rage page is quite a bit bigger than her. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether the relation with the nuts and one of the queen from Joseon exists. (Or my English is not that fluent to understand your humour...) Anyway, I'd +1 for ALT3 too. — Revi 16:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)