Talk:Zima (drink)

Intro

I would contest that this is "often called alcopop." I've never heard this term and it seems to me to be an overuse of a neologism within an introductory paragraph of an entry. [Yes, this is part of my lukewarm intermittent crusade against such overuse or over-validation of such terms.] Beckersonian (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

History

"Zima was, at the time, the only U.S. mass market alcoholic beverage that was not beer, wine, or hard alcohol." Did you not have cider in the US in those days? We do in the UK and it is very popular and can be very alcoholic! Dawright12 (talk) 17:39, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

not that it's relevant but Cider#United_States 86.165.223.98 (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

What is it, then?

If the claim that it's an unhopped beer is incorrect.... Then what it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.129.10.20 (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Myth

How would a rumor that it contained no alcohol improve the popularity with underage drinkers? I think it would not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.48.217 (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Popular culture

A section that is "In popular culture" isn't actually trivia. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 10:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

hi, zima also occurred in Friends Season 4 Episode 22 (Joey, after about 5min). 91.119.58.91 (talk) 15:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

With sources to show notability the section could probably be restored. I'd be interested to know if appearances of Zima are paid product placements or not, because if appearances were part of a deliberate campaign that might be notable. Also the context of how the product is portrayed in media might speak to its reputation.

Season 5, episode 11 of Agents of Shield includes a time traveler from the future who gets drunk on Zima but it could be interpreted as a joke mocking the product. Zima appeared in Babylon 5. -- 109.79.153.216 (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Imagine if Coca-Cola or President of the United States listed every film, TV show, song, album, opera, play, novel, statue and knock knock joke that includes a Coke or the president. The articles would include lists running for several pages.

The standard here is outlined at WP:IPC. Rather than indiscriminate lists of anything that mentions or shows Zima, an appropriate "In popular culture" section would be a sourced discussion of Zima's impact on popular culture. To include such a section, we would need to find independent reliable sources discussing Zima's impact, rather than merely documenting that it was mentioned in various shows. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

That's what I said, reliable sources to show notability. An appearance of an ubiquitous product like Coca Cola isn't a fair comparison but sometimes it is notable. As the guidelines say, prose is preferable to lists so if in Friends Joey happens to drink an episode citation wouldn't be enough there it would need to be mentioned by another source and it would needs some context indicating that Zima was part of a joke not just a prop that goes unmentioned.

Alternatively there may be other reasons to mention the same information elsewhere, ie if it was part of the marketing and promotion, the article already says the drink was heavily promoted, product placement could be a specific example of that or merely coincidental.

Too often information was dismissed as Trivia and deleted. With a little rephrasing and context (and a source) to make to make it clear why it is relevant but it is easy for people to delete instead of the more difficult task of improving improving what others have added in good faith. -- 109.79.153.216 (talk) 18:28, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

You seem to feel that mention of a detail in an independent source makes it "notable". To clarify, we aren't talking about notability, we are discussing inclusion.

I can provide independent reliable sources indicating the species of trees at the foot of the Statue of Liberty, how much it cost to repave the walkways, the name of the company that runs the snack bar and the price of a hot dog at that snack bar. All of that is trivial and none of it should be included in an article about the statue.

Similarly, I can find reliable sources for various places Coke shows up. Who drank it at Super Bowl XXVII, whether there was a bottle at a notable crime scene, which team used a Coke can as part of their robot in a student robotics competition at MIT, which movie character drank a Coke in the second reel, etc. We could spend months finding and adding random appearances of Coke in popular culture. None of that tells us anything about Coca-Cola, other than it was in those places. An indiscriminate list of those occurrences does not belong in the article.

Zima, of course, is not Coke. It hasn't been around as long, so the list would be shorter, but equally indiscriminate and meaningless. Joey drank a Zima? So> He also licked a spoon with his tongue and put it back in the drawer after eating a bowl of cereal. That doesn't tell us anything about Zima, spoons, cereal, recliners, TVs or any of the billions of things that appear in Friends and hundreds of thousands of other TV shows, movies, novels, operas, etc.

Richard Nixon does not have a list showing the notable books, TV shows, movies, novels, journals, rock songs, albums, operas and animated 31st century disembodied head museums that Richard Nixon appears in. Such a list would not tell us anything about Nixon, other than that someone included a joke about him in a cartoon, felt strongly about the Kent State Massacre or wanted to wax political with his opera.

By way of comparison, Gerald Ford does discuss the satire of him on Saturday Night Live. What's different? The SNL skits had an impact on his re-election campaign. Those particular skits had some lasting, meaningful impact on Ford (as sourced to the New York Times discussion of the issue).

An indiscriminate list of places some editors noticed Zima being used in popular culture is an indiscriminate list. If reliable sources discuss how the inclusion of Zima in an episode of a sitcom changed Zima or the sitcom, that might make sense in one article or the other. Other than that, you're arguing that Friends should be included in jellyfish, Thanksgiving, Central Park, New York City, New York (state), United States, North America, Earth..., wedding, Paris, paleontology, planetarium... and on and on. - SummerPhD^v2.0 23:01, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, Zima was shown in the TV show Agents of Shield, season 5, episode 11, when Zeke, a character from the future, travels back to present day and asked in a sports bar for something to drink that is similar to beer but delicious. Then the barman handed him a bottle of Zima.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.1.141.172 (talk) 10:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

As discussed, this is another trivial WP:IPC use. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Not a beer?

This depends on your definition of beer. It is a malt beverage as most American alcopops are, which could loosely be considered beer under some definitions. The distinction is mostly one of marketing. It would be more accurate to say it is not marketed as a beer. Dforest (talk) 06:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Etymology

The word Zima may mean winter in some languages, but is that where the name comes from? Any source for that or is that just speculation? The word Zima also means "sexual depravity" in Hebrew. (See, for example, Engendering Judaism By Rachel Adler) - Mazzula (talk) 19:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL my brother was looking over my shoulder as I read this and he sez "that explains a lot about college". Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 07:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

This is a good point. Is there any reference or citation, from Coors, for example, to support this comment in the article? If there isn't, it should probably be removed.TheBaron0530 (talk) 18:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Edited comment: the TV ads from 90's found on YouTube appear to be rather interesting. First, those do appear to be made with people who know Hebrew in mind. Second, those were also lacking the concept of winter employed. Conclusion: the ad makers sure took the Hebrew word into consideration. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

However, This ad from 1990s appears to be based on a concept of a person one would expect to know Hebrew being confused over a drink named "Zima". If Mazulla weren't joking, it would make sense: such a meaning would add up to the confusion. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 09:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

"A few degrees cooler" ad feels like as if the Slavic word for winter was taken into account as well, though. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Bottom line: it's an interesting overlap where both meanings are applicable, plausible. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 10:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Zima

Can Zima be brought back again? It sold out really fast, that means people love it. Why not bring it back for us Zima lovers? Please oh please? Even if it’s just for a summer beverage, that would be so GREAT! 2600:1011:B057:BE76:AC0E:F057:E:A887 (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

• I would like to see a limited modern edition Zima as well - so there would a picture of it in the article. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

  Nice pictures. Thanks. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Contents and overall taste?

On the contrary to the point given in 2008, here's an theorem: If A) Vodka is Slavic And B) there is a drink that is supposed to be reminiscent of vodka; Then A+B) A common Slavic word should be employed to name a drink derived from/hinting to vodka.

Additional theorem: If C) there is a drink that is supposed to taste cold or served cold then whatever word hinting to coldness would be good.

It would be an obvious correlation with Slavic word for "winter" if the drink either had menthol for cooler, colder taste or was supposed to imitate the flavour of vodka or both.

Serious questions:

• (1) Did Zima taste strong; stronger than a beer? 81.89.66.133 (talk) 07:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• (2) Did it have a taste close to one of a vodka cocktail? 81.89.66.133 (talk) 07:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• (3) Did it have menthol that make a drink feel "extra cold"? 81.89.66.133 (talk) 07:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

As for the another possible question ((4) Did it have a cold taste?): this comparison of Zima to Fresca drops a positive hint since Fresca is known to taste as "Blizzard of Flavor". 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)