Talk:Wong Fu Productions/GA1

GA Review

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I'll be doing the review. This is an interesting article, but there are a number of concerns that need to be addressed before the GAN can be passed. I'll place this article on hold for a week to see if the issues can be addressed...

References

• This is the biggest problem with the article; several of these references are broken or otherwise don't work. References 1, 2, 5 and 9 are no good (and since they all lead to the official Wong Fu site, you should try to seek secondary sources rather than primary sources anyway). References 21 and 23 don't work either. And references 10 and 18 are YouTube videos, which aren't really acceptable as reliable sources. Can you update or fix these links where possible, and find other sources for the information where it isn't possible? (For the news articles that are no good, you might try Internet Archive or sites like that to see if you can dig up an archived page...

• The CNN ref (previously ref 7) has replaced ref 1. Refs 2, 5, and 9 (now 8) have been updated. Primary sources are appropriate provided they are only used to repeat information. Ref 23 (now ref 22) has been replaced with the same article at another news source, and the information is on the fourth page. Ref 21 (now ref 20) has been removed as it is not accessible through the Internet Archive and now requires a fee to view. It is possible to remove the source as it only references one sentence, but may we assume good faith? YouTube videos have been used to cite articles on similar individuals who made their fame through the website, e.g. KevJumba (which is already a GA). I would consider ref 10 (now ref 9) and ref 18 (now ref 17) primary sources as the former quotes one of the group's members and the latter is the short film published by the group itself. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Notable productions

• "The film revolves around two neighbors who share similar romantic situations, in which where one person in each relationship cannot let go of his or her past." This is not reflected in the source, unless I'm missing it?

• Ref 10 was meant to cite that sentence and the one before it. I have made the correction. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "Since the end of its first tour, Wong Fu has created music videos for rising artists and continued producing short films." Here, too, can you point out where the source says this?

• Not sure why this was referenced to that source. I have replaced it with ref 4, which mentions the music video productions. Arsonal (talk) 05:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "The 2007 film Just a Nice Guy launched Wong Fu's merchandise store which included original T-shirt designs." I'm confused by this sentence. Are you saying the film itself launched the store? What does that mean? Can you please reword?

• Reworded. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "One short film was featured at the 2008 San Francisco International Asian American Film Festival, and two short films were shown at the 2009 Cannes Film Festival." Can you name the films? (If that info is available, which it seems to be at least in hte first case...)

• Done for SFIAAFF. I've not seen a mention of which were two screened at Cannes. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "In September 2009, Wong Fu released a mockumentary on the history of the peace sign." Again, the name of the film?

• Added name. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

International Secret Agents

• "featured musical disciplines from "urban dance to singing and songwriting to deejaying"..." I know it probably seems nitpicky, but as per WP:QUOTE, you have to identify who is saying something if you use quotation marks, even in a brief clause like this. Since the quote is coming from the author of a news article rather than another subject, I'd suggest dropping the quotes altogether and just paraphrasing this information...

• Done. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "Through ISA and other workshops, Wong Fu and other organizers hoped to "[give] students a chance to develop their artistic craft with the help of their professional role models"." Same complaint here as above (although this also has the problem of the source being unavailable)

• Removed. See above note on ref 21 (now ref 20). Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "Additionally, Coquia believed that ISA presented the opportunity to present Asian American talent as "cool and mainstream"." Coquia didn't say "cool and mainstream", the writer of the article did. Drop the quotes and just paraphrase...

• Done. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Impact

• Is the huge block quote really the best way to present Wong Fu's goal of breaking stereotypes? Couldn't you paraphrase most of it and use whatever is left of the quote in the prose of hte article?

• Perhaps, but I have previously been unable to do it while avoiding close paraphrasing. You are welcome to attempt it. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• "The group also does not promote political messages through their works but, rather, raises "many APA issues that we feel would fit our brand and image"." Who specifically said that last part?

• Uncertain. The source does not mention the specific member and collectively identifies them as "WFP". Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought: Would a "Filmography" section listing their films be possible?

I avoided such a list because, as stated in the last paragraph of "Notable productions", Wong Fu has released over 100 short films. I have only mentioned the most significant ones. Arsonal (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Best of luck! — Hunter Kahn 02:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

A good article is:

1. Well-written: Prose is good, MOS is good.
2. Factually accurate and verifiable: Sources are good, no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage: Covers main aspects, no unneeded detail.
4. Neutral: Yes.
5. Stable: Yes.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images: Yes.

Congrats, that's a pass. — Hunter Kahn 05:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)