Talk:Wilhelm Büsing

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 03:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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Büsing at the 1952 Summer Olympics

• ... that Wilhelm Büsing (pictured) said that "all hell broke loose" after he won Germany an Olympic medal in 1952? Source: Deutsche Reiterliche Vereinigung ("In Helsinki, wohin die Pferde mit einem umgebauten Fischkutter verfrachtet wurden, feierte er größten Erfolg seiner Reiterkarriere: Bronze in der Einzelwertung und die Silbermedaille mit der deutschen Mannschaft, der außerdem Klaus Wagner mit Dachs und Otto Rothe mit Trux von Kamax angehörten. Bei seiner Rückkehr wurde Dr. Büsing mit großen Jubel empfangen. „In Oldenburg war der Teufel los. Die Kinder hatten schulfrei. Es gab einen riesigen Menschenauflauf“, erinnert sich der Jubilar. In einer vierspännigen Kutsche wurde er in seinen Heimatort Jade zu einem großen Empfang gefahren. An allen Straßenrändern standen Menschen, die ihn feierten." "[In Helsinki, where the horses were transported with a converted fishing cutter, he celebrated the greatest success of his riding career: bronze in the individual competition and the silver medal with the German team, which also included Klaus Wagner with Dachs and Otto Rothe with Trux von Kamax. On his return, Dr. Büsing received with great cheers. “All hell broke loose in Oldenburg. The children had no school. There was a huge crowd,” the celebrant recalls. He was driven to his hometown of Jade in a four-horse carriage to a big reception. People lined the streets to celebrate him.]")
  • ALT1: ... that after being an Olympic medalist in equestrian, Wilhelm Büsing (pictured) served as a horse breeder and veterinarian? Source: several sources
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Adi Winarso
  • Comment: One day late, hoping for an extension under DYK Supplemental Rule D9. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wilhelm Büsing; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Will review. Even though the editor is an experienced DYK nominator, figure the 1-day grace period applies. Article has appeared on ITD, but not as a bold link and is thus still eligible. Longhornsg (talk) 05:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Article is long enough and has been expanded soon enough (28 June for a 6 July nomination), considering comment above. Earwig shoes lot of overlap; much can't be avoided, but a lot of WP:CLOP and phrasing similarities. Original hook is interesting and correctly cited, but would suggest the following to spice it up:

ALT2: ... that "all hell broke loose" after Wilhelm Büsing (pictured) won an Olympic medal for Germany in 1952?

I like the alt2 hook - I'll make sure to get the qpq soon. Also, I think the earwig similarities are from sources that got their info from here (lol). I believe this was the only thing really written about him in English besides the brief Olympedia piece (you'll see the only substantial references are from German websites) - so the horsetalk and eurodressage articles (made after I wrote this) seem to have used my article since it was the only one available. They both seem to use near-identical phrasing (see for example the exact phrases from my article in the horsetalk article: 'he recalled: “All hell broke loose in Oldenburg. The children had no school. There was a huge crowd.” He was driven to his hometown, Jade, in a four-horse carriage and people lined the streets celebrating the medals won by him and the German team. Büsing received his doctorate in 1945 with a thesis on Oldenburg horse breeding and became a veterinarian.') - The only way they could have gotten the quotes would to have been either to read my article, or one on a German website from years back and I don't think they would have done that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Longhornsg: Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Adi Winarso as a QPQ. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Good to go. Longhornsg (talk) 00:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

reviewers can't approve their own hooks, and this one in particular takes a statement from the article's subject as fact and expresses it in wikivoice. Longhornsg, could you approve ALT0 instead? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: Not even if its only a small re-wording change that the nominator agrees with? (not complaining, just want to be be completely sure on what the rule is) I'd prefer another person to review it then, as I am really liking ALT2 as a quirky hook. BeanieFan11 (talk) 12:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

BeanieFan11 I'll admit, this is borderline – but if changing the hook changes the nature of the verification (as this arguably does by putting a quote in wikivoice), then the proposer can't self-review. ALT2 is a good quirky, I must admit, but the quirky license doesn't extend to stating things that aren't exactly verified as fact in wikivoice. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I'm fine if another reviewer is needed, but in defense of my/Longhornsg's hook, I view it as acceptable since its a quote - if this was "... that all hell broke loose after Wilhelm Busing won an Olympic medal..." I would understand, but since this is a quote I believe it should be alright; i.e. we're not saying all hell broke loose, we're saying someone else said so. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree, BeanieFan11. If I'm reading ALT2, the last thing I'm going to think is that the quote comes from the article's subject. I'd probably think that the quote comes from a reliable source that we're happy to accept as fact. That said, you wanted a second opinion, and I'm happy to have someone else weigh in and discuss. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:57, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I guess in my mind I don't think that we would need to make sure its from the subject in the hook; all I feel we need to make clear is that someone said it (which is done by including the quotes). We'll see what the next reviewer thinks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:00, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Long enough and neutral with everything sourced. Newness requirement met per rules mentioned above and QPQ done. In reviewing ALT2, it is cited and interesting; to address the issue above, you could just say "...that Wilhelm Büsing claimed that "all hell broke loose" after he won an Olympic medal?" (the other information might be extraneous and shorter hooks are better). There is some close paraphrasing from the Horse Talk source, but it is largely facts that would be difficult to phrase in alternative ways without sounding odd. If the ALT is changed slightly, I would say that it is good to go. Canadian Paul 22:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Canadian Paul: If you also think the ALT2 hook is an issue I would be fine with your suggestion; BTW the horsetalk source got their information from here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Yes, I think that would address the concern of the editor above, if I am understanding it, and then it should be fine to approve. If you post a clarification, I should be able to approve that one. Canadian Paul 05:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
    • @Canadian Paul: So, like: ALT3 ... that Wilhelm Büsing (pictured) said that "all hell broke loose" after he won an Olympic medal? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
      • With the concerns above addressed, this should be good to go. Canadian Paul 05:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)