Talk:Wes Streeting

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Sounds like this article was written by him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.23.230 (talk) 10:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Even if he did, the article is fully referenced, which is quite unusual for articles on student officials, and Wikipedia does not prevent people writing their own biographies (though the inability of most people to be neutral about themselves means that the practice is frowned upon - see Lloyd rm for Lloyd Russell-Moyle's (University of Bradford Union Secretary-Treasurer) own biography which was subsequently deleted from the mainspace). The main issue from Wes writing his own article would be that it would be overly positive, and this article doesn't seem too bad. Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 15:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Anti-BNP Standpoint

Though not easily referencable, Wes has sent countless email newsletters to NUS subscribers strongly opposing the BNP's views, a recent one asking for newsletter subscribers to 'co-sign a letter to Nick Griffin': "Just imagine the impact this letter could have – a unified statement coming from thousands and thousands of students – united in a belief in hope and equality; standing up against the BNP and for each other." - I cannot find any published (referencable) statements used by Wes and have not had any replies back from any emails I've sent to him asking about his viewpoint. This article currently only states Wes' strong Labour viewpoint, but does not echo the anti-BNP propaganda Wes is supplying to hundreds of thousands of students. --82.17.90.38 (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

And as long as there is no verifiable reference, it shouldn't, either. Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 21:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

You might find this useful: http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/s/nus WikiWebbie (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Update, no longer president elect

http://www.nus.org.uk/en/News/News/Aaron-Porter-is-the-new-NUS-President article requires update? Off2riorob (talk) 14:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

His disclosure

Shall we mention it? https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/721685738518089728 78.144.38.154 (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Funding

Apologies if I misinterpreted the WP:ONUS policy, I thought it was the case that disputed content had to be justified by the editors who wanted to include it rather than the other way round. I disagreed with the inclusion because that part seemed to have had virtually no coverage up to this point in reliable sources, therefore I did not think it was particularly notable. Also, as it says in the article, "There is no suggestion of impropriety here". Not everything that is verifiable needs to be included here, although I would be interested what other editors think.

Regarding your comments @MapReader, suggesting anyone who disagrees with the inclusion is possibly doing "pre-election whitewashing" seems uncivil to me.

Tagging @Ellwat too as they had also edited this Michaeldble (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

You would be right if the content were newly added, but it has been there for some months (I am not the originating editor). There is a fair bit of party-inspired whitewashing going on in readiness for the election, and politicians’ pages need to be watched closely by editors right now. If I mischaracterised your edit I apologise, of course. As a potential future Health Secretary, the sources of his funding are clearly of importance and interest, and while the citation isn’t the best one, I would assume these donations are included within his official declaration of interests? MapReader (talk) 06:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I removed it because I thought that it wasn't particularly noteworthy to me. All it seems to be is: leading Labour politician receives lots of money, but that happens to lots of politicians anyway doesn't it? If a source like OpenDemocracy has reported it then maybe it should be included, but I'm not sure how it differs to other forms of donations. Ellwat (talk) 12:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your apology, although I think you should just assume good faith in future.

It doesn't seem like there has been much coverage, including it might mislead readers into believing it was a scandal/big news story or suggest there has been some sort of impropriety. For this point: "As a potential future Health Secretary, the sources of his funding are clearly of importance and interest". If he was taking donations from American health insurance companies or something along these lines I could understand inclusion, but the article doesn't clarify the source of the donations as far as I can see, it seems quite vague. I would also dispute the partiality of the article: "On the other hand, it's possible that the Labour leader being such an obvious liar...", it doesn't seem like a great source to use either I would say. Michaeldble (talk) 13:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I 100% agree with what you've written there. Maybe important to note that other Labour politicians, ie Yvette Cooper and Rachel Reeves also have this information on their pages. Ellwat (talk) 20:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Any further thoughts @MapReader or anyone else? Michaeldble (talk) 15:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Position on Gaza and Genocide

The section below by @TrueJoytheDove was removed by @Ellwat "because of WP:RECENT and also the fact that this edit was not impartial" . I thought the section was pertinent, well written and well referenced and I re-instated it. Frankly I thought its block removal looked like WP:VANDALISM. I certainly don't agree it falls on WP:RECENT - it is a valid account of Streeting's position on a major historical event. 30,000 dead on both sides over nearly 5 months is not 'Recentism', it is not just "breaking news" nor "flimsy, transient" nor is it a "news spike" nor I think will it fail Wikipedia's "10 year test", or even the "20 year test". Moreover Streeting is a major shadow cabinet level politician with senior positions related to this subject i.e. co-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Jews and a supporter of Labour Friends of Israel. @Ellwat reverted my re-instatement and s/he suggested I raise it here, which I am now doing. Amble123 (talk) 20:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for raising the point. I've thought about it and agree with you that it's worth including Streeting's views on this topic. What I don't agree with this is this part:

"at the same time renowned Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered by Israeli forces in Jenin, in an act initially denied by the IDF, but later found to be a deliberate killing. During this time, while Streeting was in Israel, he posted a number of tweets praising the country's achievements, but made no mention of Shireen Abu Akleh's killing or the violent disruption of her funeral, despite the outcry in Israel-Palestine and the around the world about these events".

I feel that it's focusing too much on events that took place. Essentially what does this have to do with Streeting? Also I have a problem with this part which I am putting below, which is again that it is too specific and lends too much weight to things that do not concern Streeting.

"Most Conservatives voted against. A small group of Labour MPs voted for a ceasefire, including Zarah Sultana, Dawn Butler and Diane Abbott. SNP MPs voted for a ceasefire." Ellwat (talk) 20:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that tonight we saw that Parliament voted for the Labour amendment which supports a ceasefire, so this last part of the edit could be changed to reflect this. Ellwat (talk) 20:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

"On 14th January 2024, Streeting described South Africa's case against Israel (for allegations of genocide of Palestinians) at the International Court of Justice as a 'distraction' in a Sky News interview . In May 2022, Streeting visited Israel on a trip organised by Labour Friends of Israel; at the same time renowned Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered by Israeli forces in Jenin, in an act initially denied by the IDF, but later found to be a deliberate killing. During this time, while Streeting was in Israel, he posted a number of tweets praising the country's achievements, but made no mention of Shireen Abu Akleh's killing or the violent disruption of her funeral, despite the outcry in Israel-Palestine and the around the world about these events. On 16th November 2023, Wes Streeting abstained in the vote in UK Parliament calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, along with the majority of Labour MPs. Most Conservatives voted against. A small group of Labour MPs voted for a ceasefire, including Zarah Sultana, Dawn Butler and Diane Abbott. SNP MPs voted for a ceasefire."

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Attending University for the same time and course as another MP

According to the new MP Sarah Sackman, she and Wes attended at the same time and knew each other. Is there are way to note and link the two people together?

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