Talk:War of Canudos

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No mention of being a monarchist rebellion?

Why there is no mention that Canudos was a monarchist rebellion? See below:

"Convém que examine, mais detidamente, as idéias políticas de Antonio Conselheiro. Seu pensamento baseava-se no princípio de que 'todo poder legítimo é emanação da Onipotência etern de Deus e está sujeito a uma regra divina, tanto na ordem temporal como na espiritual, de sorte que, obedecendo ao pontífice, ao príncipe, ao pai, a quem é realmente ministro de Deus para o bem, a Deus só obedecemos". Reconhecia a legitimidade da monarquia pela delegação do poder divino, em contraposição à ilegitimidade da República: 'Quem não sabe que o digno príncipe, o Senhor dom Pedro III, tem poder legitimamente constituído por Deus para governar o Brasil? Quem não sabe que o seu digno avô o senhor D. Pedro 2º, de saudosa memória, não obstante ter sido vítima de uma traição a ponto de ser lançado fora do seu governo, recebendo tão pesado golpe, que prevalece o sue direito e, consequentemente, só a sua real família tem poder para governar o Brasil?"

"Para o pregador, o fim da monarquia ligava-se á abolição da escravidão, pois ao cumprir a vontade divina a Princesa Isabel 'arrancou o ódio da maior parte daqueles a quem esse povo estava sujeito'."

Source: Mônaco Janotti, Maria de Lourdes. Os Subversivos da República. São Paulo: Brasiliense, 1986, p.154.

Note: The word "príncipe" in the text is not "prince" but it means "monarch" or "ruler". And Antonio Conselheiro blamed the rich landowner who once owned slaves for overthrowning the monarch and who kept the people under their grasp ("arrancou o ódio da maior parte daqueles a quem esse povo estava sujeito"). --Lecen (talk) 11:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Revision?

I believe this article needs revision to include direct citations rather than a bibliographic summary. The issue isn't a matter of form so much as it is a matter of reliable sources. While the only knowledge I have of this event comes from War of the End of the World by Vargas Llosa, the article as it is currently written seems to use *only* that work as its source. Put another way, all the events, people, and most importantly numbers, are *extremely* similar to the book, which would be unlikely if they were truly drawn from multiple sources (not to mention the fact that the book is a work of historical fiction). Although Llosa likely did research the War of Canudos in writing his book, it seems suspicious that so much of the information matches. Orangeturtle411 (talk) 10:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that most of the content of Canudos be merged into War of Canudos, seen the fact that Canudos talks mostly about the history of the war, and not so much about the town itself. A town by this name still exists today, so I propose that, after merging the "war" part, that page be used for a broader overview about the town of Canudos. Umburana (talk) 14:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Catholic church involvement?

"Landowners, the catholic church, and political elites resolved to crush the movement"

source: Levine RM. 1992 Vale of Tears: revisiting the canudos massacre in northeastern brazil 1893-1897. Berkley: Univ Calif Press — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 02:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Fanaticism

Use of the terms fanatics and fanaticism in the article is an unsubstantiated value judgment that coincides with the government and media propaganda used during the period concerned to justify the government's actions. 'Fanatics' removed, 'fanaticism' contextualized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.46.203.221 (talk) 14:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

I propose introducing the following changes to the article: -Checking the current statistics for accuracy using peer-reviewed sources and providing direct citations where needed. -Adding two sections about how race and gender came into play in the conflict. -Adding a section that addresses the (presumed) monarchical nature of the War, which has been a contentious topic within the literature. -Developing on the ideological motivations behind the settlement of Canudos, how it eventually led to the War itself, and what the direct cause of the War was. -Addressing the reasons why the War of Canudos garnered severe criticism from the government and the media at the time. My tentative bibliography is the following:

I like all of these changes that you've proposed. The only other addition that I would suggest is to add more on the aftermath of the Canudos and how it is viewed in modern Brazil. Adrumma (talk) 01:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC) I agree, much of these changes proposed are good and will add allot of missing depth to the wikipedia article. I would perhaps add more about the European relationship with the settlement. Shahrozzaman 14:28, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Suggest mentioning something about the assassination of Colonel Gentil José de Castro. Colonel Gentil José de Castro, owner of two monarchist newspapers, was shot to death on a railway platform in March 1897. Diehard monarchists such as Gentil José de Castro had been accused of supporting the rebels. On March 7, 1897, demonstrators broke into the offices of Castro’s Gazeta da Liberdade and Gazeta da Tarde in Rio de Janeiro, smashing the presses and destroying the printed material. The next day, ignoring the advice of anxious friends, Castro came to Rio to survey the damage. As he was about to board the train back to Petropolis, he was shot dead. The assassination was witnessed by 2 fellow monarchists, the Visconde de Ouro Preto (Afonso Celso de Assis Figueiredo) and his son, Conde Afonso Celso (Afonso Celso de Assis Figueiredo Júnior). A month later, feeling against the monarchists was still so strong that the two fled the country. Later that year, Celso published in Paris his account of Castro’s death: entitled: "Assassinato do coronel Gentil José de Castro".

References

Removing the sentence "Canudos actually means straw"

abou the edit: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=War_of_Canudos&diff=1007502108&oldid=1001703855

This edit added the out of context information that "Canudos actually means straw". Although it is true that the word "canudo" in Portuguese, is also used for drinking straws, this is not the case for the name of the "Canudos" community. Also, the placement of the comment just before a reference mark makes it seem that it is citing the referenced source, which is false. So i will remove this sentence from the page. Please feel free to add it back if you feel i did it wrongly. 2804:14C:6587:49D5:7963:DA63:1F76:B305 (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)