Talk:Uyghurs

Latest comment: 3 hours ago by Red-tailed hawk in topic January 2024


How to sort out misinformation, untruths and propaganda in the article?

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Could we please have a proper discussion on sorting out the misinformation, untruths and propaganda in the article? 2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666 (talk) 22:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well, this is Wikipedia, so you may either:
  1. Read the site's policies on reliable sources and neutral-point of view, since that is probably where your grievances are, and make a policy-based argument with references to specific content in the article you are challenging. Or,
  2. Take your vague gestures at "misinformation, untruths and propaganda" elsewhere, such as an online forum, which Wikipedia is not.
Yue🌙 23:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Add the fact that they have nothing to do with acient uyghurs

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Add that 2603:8001:8446:6EBB:72A:8D7E:94A5:D773 (talk) 15:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

That's not true. Beshogur (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

January 2024

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@JArthur1984: Hi, it is regarding this. Can't we use "According to reports, at least..." in place of "Scholars estimate that at least"? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I don't really see a reason to have the template there. The scholarly reports are generally around or above that number. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
This estimate is usually sourced back to one researcher, Zenz, about whom the reader could be concerned about for a variety of reasons (the ties between his eschatological thinking and his concerns of a "new world order", his ideological commitments, his very bad IUD study, and so forth). So it is a desire to avoid the circular reportage problem by specifying. There is a difference between plural "scholars" making a independent estimates or multiple scholars repeating, "According to Adrian Zenz ..." So a proponent of these sources should specify. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think you're misunderstanding the history a bit. Zenz originally made public his estimate in in May 2018, which was later peer reviewed and published in Central Asian Survey online in September of that year. Another estimate that gets cited in scholarly literature originates from CHRD in August 2018, which uses a completely different methodology and dataset but still arrives at approximately the same number. And the estimate of 1 million is generally taken to be credible, after both the aforementioned estimates had been released, The New York Times was quite straightforward in its reporting at that point: Scholars and activists estimate that a million people are now held in hundreds of re-education camps across Xinjiang and that roughly two million other people are undergoing some form of coercive re-education or indoctrination. And the estimates have generally been accepted by other scholars; for example, Framing the Xinjiang Emergency (2020) by Michael E. Clarke reports the first estimate as a fact without some sort of hedging language. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply