Talk:Tony Wilson

Deleted reference

Removed the following dead link:

• 24 Hour Party People information at Joy Division Central

Airosche 15:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel that this page is a bit of a disgrace. Tony Wilson steered factory Records through many hard times. Joy Division, New Order & Happy Mondays would not have existed without his selfless efforts. The same can be said for the many many other Manchester bands & musicians since then. Tony Wilson should be lauded for what he helped people to achieve.

He was also a wit and a wag.

Death

He died of a heart attack, not directly of the cancer surely? See the quotes from his doctors in the MEN.

BBC News apparently reported it wrong, everywhere else quotes his doctor saying it was unrelated to the cancer. I changed it and put in two references, the one you gave and also one from The Guardian, which both quote the doctor.

Again someone has editted the article to say that the heart attack was caused by the cancer. The BBC article appears to have since been altered to remove the statement that it was caused by the cancer. I have ammeneded the section and put a note there which should hopefully stop people from changing it back.

Influence

I'm not the best at writing sections from scratch. It seems to me that Tony's article is desperately short of mention of influence and inspiration - that he gave to others. Manchester would be such a different place had he never existed and that angle isn't really mentioned in the article at the moment. Please can someone with a greater command of the language than myself come up with something? 82.23.90.72 21:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with you, but we need some source material to work from first. Jza84 21:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

This is the guy who first used the term Gothic in modern music when referring to Joy Division. "The term Gothic, in relation to music, was first used by the band manager of Joy Division, Anthony H. Wilson when he described the band as “Gothic compared with the pop mainstream” in 1979."Jeffery Thomas 21:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

References

FAC 501

The article states that FAC 501 "will be the last Factory catalogue number" but Factory_Records_Catalogue refers to a FAC 511.

82.69.72.254 (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing. Looking at the given reference, it only says that FAC 501 is the last catalogue number, not that it definitely always will be. I'll change the statement in the article to reflect that. --David Edgar (talk) 12:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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www.tonywilsonexperience.com

I added a link to www.tonywilsonexperience.com Iiidonkeyiii (talk) 11:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Headstone

Can someone provide a photo of the headstone, please, and the precise coordinates of the grave? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

OMD on Factory Records

Factory Records was absolutely not 'the home' of Orchestral Manouevers in the Dark. They made 2-3 recordings that were released as a single Electricity/Almost. It went nowhere and they were then signed to DinDisc, a sub-company of Virgin Records where they released their first album.

I'm removing them from that list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.72.180.236 (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

ehh, fair call. Factory wasn't even sure they were going to be a sustainable label at that stage. Per Shadowplayers the Dindisc deal was in the works by the time FAC-6 came out. Did get Saville a day job for a couple of years, which was good - David Gerard (talk) 12:53, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

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What's On

Did Tony Wilson host/appear on a television programme named What's On (a successor to So It Goes?, or part of Granada Reports?) circa-1978? (see The Pleasers article). Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

GERMAN jewish descent

KNUPFER is a typical jewish german surname

native germans don't have this name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.247.241.65 (talk) 12:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Actually you're completely mistaken. Knupfer is a fairly common Germanic name, but very rarely is it a Jewish name. Take a look at the list of people with that name and you will find that none of them are Jewish. It's possible that Wilson's mother had a German or perhaps Dutch ancestor, although even that is uncertain as she might have been adopted. There is certainly no indication based on her name alone that she had Jewish ancestry either way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7E:5743:C300:9CE5:202E:9758:41B (talk) 10:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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What is the problem with Mike Garry's poem?

User:Praxidicae has twice removed a link I added to "External links" to a well-known poem by Mike Garry about the subject of this article:-

"St Anthony: An Ode to Anthony H. Wilson" (poem in memory of Tony Wilson by Mike Garry)

The first time it was removed because of WP:Rollback, i.e. vandalism. I am no vandal and the poem is a well-known part of the legacy of Tony Wilson.

The second time User:Praxidicae removed the link the reason given changed (so I am no longer a vandal?) Now the link was removed because of WP:ELNO, i.e. because the poem is somehow the work of a "fan".

Might I ask other editors who know more about Tony Wilson to help out here and maybe provide other places where the poem has been printed (perhaps not that easy, given that Garry is a performance poet)?

The only reason I know about the poem is that I heard it on the BBC (perhaps the BBC are also "fans" of Tony Wilson?). If necessary I can dig out the date for a reference, but this seems unnecessary for a link to a well-known poem. Incidentally I notice from other online material around the poem that the "fans" also include Steve Coogan, Iggy Pop, Christopher Eccleston, Terry Christian, Richard Madeley, Shaun Ryder, Paul Morley, Miranda Sawyer, John Cooper Clarke and Philip Glass, among many others (see here.)

Finally I notice that User:Praxidicae has repeatedly removed Mike Garry's poem from the list but not removed the link to "Oliver Wood's Factory Page", a link that suffers from (1) being to a self-evident fan page, (2) not even working.

So the editing seems inconsistent on several fronts: first it's because of vandalism, then it's for another reason, not applied equally to other (and less reliable) material in the same section. I don't assume that the editor has taken against the poem / Garry / or indeed the memory of Tony Wilson but suspect more information could be helpful in sorting this out. Thanks.

31.124.106.73 (talk) 13:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikiworld does indeed seem to have something against this poem. Although the comment above saved the reference for a few months, it was recently deleted for some Wikitechnical reasons about “External links” (see the next comment) so I moved it to the article itself. but From where it has just got deleted for being somehow unencyclopaedic.

So if I add the previous reasons listed by the other editor above, that makes FOUR separate and different reasons given for not referencing a really cool poem about the subject of the article, one that is well-known, often performed and broadcast, and liked by a bunch of famous people.

I have now added it back in the hope that the Wikispecialists can concentrate their technical skills on finding a way of letting the average reader know about this notable posthumous tribute to the subject of the article. Thank you. 95.145.170.41 (talk) 04:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I can't speak to why this has been removed in the past. I removed it primarily because it was an external link in the main body of the article, and also because it doesn't look like a reliable source. I have changed the external link to a reference and tagged better source needed. As it is, the reference doesn't support the statement that the poem was broadcast on the BBC. Tacyarg (talk) 10:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

OK thanks to whoever cleaned up the end of the article. Way to go! I don’t know how to do references but here are a couple:

- (from 2015) https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/tony-mr-manchester-wilson-honoured-9862008

- (also from 2015) https://www.hotpress.com/music/poet-mike-garry-on-his-tony-wilson-tribute-14838977

- and the poem was repeated, again on the BBC, on the Great Lives programme broadcast on Radio 4 on 10 May 2022.

-and here is the poem itself:— https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3cYNI8s_vo4&feature=youtu.be

Hope that’s useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.170.41 (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

External links

There are twelve entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion.

• ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
• LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
• WP:ELMIN: Minimize the number of links.
• WP:ELCITE: access dates are not appropriate in the external links section. Do not use {{cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)