Talk:ToeJam & Earl

Name?

One page on Wikipedia is called "Toe Jam & Earl". Another page is called "ToeJam and Earl" with the word "and" instead of the ampersand. However, judging from the offical site the game is actually called "ToeJam & Earl", meaning neither name is exactly right. More importantly, I think these pages should be merged.

Well one page seems to discuss the idea of ToeJam & Earl, and the other decsribes the first game in detail, so maybe there is a way to make the second one ToeJam & Earl (Genesis version) or whatever.

I personally don't think there needs to be a platform-specific article, as I doubt there are many differences between the different platform's games. Truthfully I never got to play the game on any platform, I just happened upon these articles through chance. Retodon8 (That was me earlier.)

However you came across them, you're right that they should be merged. Though, also from what you said, they should probably be merged under ToeJam & Earl, which is currently a redirect. -- Supermorff 20:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I just merged ToeJam and Earl with Toe Jam & Earl using the latter page as the end result. I made sure not to lose any information, and I also corrected a few small things while I was at it. Now the correct page ToeJam & Earl needs to be deleted before the new merged page can be moved there (in order to save the editing history.) After that all incorrect titles should redirect to this same page. Retodon8 01:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Can the three games possibly have their own wiki pages? This will allow more information on each game to be included...I'll add information to them, but in their current states it's not viable to...

I agree, the three games should each have their own page. Even if they are left as stubs, it will encourage people to expand them.--Mysterious Bob 14:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I've made a page for the second game in the series, as its the only one I own. I'll update it further in a few days. I'll try to include as much information about it as possible. This is my first ever edit/article so It might be a bit messy or have incorrect grammar, so feel free to change it. Jamsoup 11th April 07

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED to correct title. -GTBacchus^(talk) 14:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Toe Jam & Earl → ToeJam & Earl – Correct spelling of the name, target is currently a redirect back to the current page TJ Spyke 03:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

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Wii doesn't count?

Some guy just removed the Wii as a platform. He said "Only physical copies count". Was this vandalism or the truth. I have seen Super Mario 64 with Wii under it. For now I will keep it added.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Starmenclock (talk • contribs)

Only systems where the game has physically been released count. I didn't know about Super Mario 64, thank you for pointing it out. TJ Spyke 20:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think there's an official rule either way regarding use of the infobox; a quick check of current Xbox Live Arcade games indicates a preference to leave it out, although they all have categories and a mention in the article prose. Nifboy 01:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is complete bs. No place on earth does it say only physical copies count. That's complete bias, if you don't mind me saying so. If TJ&E is available as a paid commodity on the virtual console, it goes on the release list just as much as any online-only distribution of a game. By this standard, several Steam games might not count as well. It is simply illogical, and any argument for it will fall apart under the fact that digital distribution is the coming dominant form of software distro. Putting it back in, in the name of WP consistency. --Decept404 20:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Then again i shouldve checked if it had actually been removed ;) Sorry. In any case my rant stands.--Decept404 20:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Phyisicaly data on a Nintendo Wii is a actual atom so it does count.

Idiot. Seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.183.73.117 (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Decept404's rant. When I look at the "Platform(s)" field of an Infobox, I want to know "Which platforms does this game run on?" I don't care about its "physical release".
ProResearcher (talk) 04:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Toejam

Why does toejam redirect here? And why isn't there a disambiguation page for toejam? They should have an article for it; it's the black stuff that collects under one's nails. Ratso 23:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Toe Jam is a hygenic term and a character in a bunch of classic SEGA games for SEGA and X-BOX.

Though I do think it's bizzare to direct here and not have disambig.It also depends on the color of the sock fabric

I just created the disambiguation page Toe jam; it no longer redirects here. =Axlq 23:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, I've never had any "toe-jam" on my feet, EVER. Some people just wear their shoes too long. --70.234.42.109 (talk) 11:18, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

ToeJam & Earl article's purpose?

Accidentally wrote this in Talk:ToeJam_and_Earl due to the redirect. Anyway, this article is very confused. The introductory paragraphs describe information pertaining specifically to the first ToeJam and Earl game, and then the article moves on to tautologically discuss the first game in its own section, then the second and third games. The infobox also only lists information about the first game, and the other games remain largely ignored in this sense. Is this article about the series or about the first game or about the two titular characters? Perhaps we should have one article per game and another article listing the characters and giving descriptions. -- Reinhart 01:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. 137.22.11.214 00:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Not that I'm badmouthing SEGA but I want someone to add a toejam article in another context (sorry)

Music emphasis

Nitpicking, but in what game ISN'T music a part of the concept? Slightly rewriting that paragraph--Decept404 20:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) yes especially if it's a classic game.

Christmas

I've removed this:

"It is possible that the game is set at Christmas time. Santa Claus appears (albeit as an enemy) and all the items come in the form of gifts (whose contents are randomized - opening a present is the only way to tell which item is in each parcel). The Nintendo Wii Virtual Console release of ToeJam & Earl was also made available on December 25th."

Suggesting it's Christmas is original research. Santa Claus is not an enemy. Opening gifts is not the only way to find out what's in them. The statement about the Wii release might be true but needs a source and needs to be not tied to the unsourced statement that it's Christmas. Angela. 21:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC) I disagree, afterall it looks just like Christmas,and Santa Claus is waaaay not an enemy.

Christmas aside, I think it should be noted in the article that if you manage to sneak up on Santa and touch him, without him noticing and rocket-packing away, he will drop several presents for you (between 2 and 5 usually). --Trevc63 01:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Point System

I think it would be cool if we could add some to the detail of the point system, perhaps how many points are awarded per present opened, map square revealed, phone picked up, etc. Also, it would be cool to have the point thresholds at which each of the ranks are attained. --Trevc63 21:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Earthlings

I merged all the info in the article regarding earthlings and did a little cleanup, but I think it would be cool to add the "good" earthlings such as the Carrot Man and add info regarding how many tomatoes it takes to kill each one and how much the "good" ones charge for their services. Also, perhaps it would be better to organize them in tables. --Trevc63 21:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Prose/MoS

• Inlines should generally follow punctuation marks, like the one after jazz-funk in Synopsis. There may be others scattered around.

• Fixed. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• Can the publishers in the citations be wikilinked? Also, they generally shouldn't be italicized unless they're magazines or journals.

• Done. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a few left, fixed them myself. — Levi van Tine (t – c) 05:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

• If the designer is going to be wikilinked in the infobox, he should also be wikilinked in the article proper.

• I de-linked him in the infobox. He's probably notable but as there's numerous Greg Johnson articles, I'm not sure exactly what his article would eventually be called (it could be "game developer", "game designer" etc) bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• "...as Sega were interested in innovative games and new mascots to compete with Nintendo." - Should probably be "Sega was".

• You're right, fixed. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• "The due appeared in a spin-off light gun game..." - Due? Or "duo"?

• Typo, fixed. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• "Sega however conferred that they did not "understand" or "get" the game..." - Do both "understand" and "get" need to be here? They mean the same thing.

• Removed "get". bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• In the article, outlets like GameSpot and IGN probably shouldn't be italicized, because they don't have a print version.

• Fixed. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

• The lead infobox should have a date for the Virtual Console rerelease.

• Someone else has fixed this it seems. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• The second two external links are probably unnecessary.

• Removed. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• A little nitpicky, but the lead seems just a little too large for the size of the article. The development info in particular seems unnecessary.

• I cut the development info. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• I followed the release date discussion and "1991" is fine, but GameFAQs says there was also a Japanese release, which isn't mentioned here.

• It's the same as the NA and European release dates and has the same problem: e.g. see here. bridies (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I have placed the article on hold until these issues have been addressed. As you fix them, put "Done" under each one, or an explanation if you don't feel it needs to be changed. The article will be on hold for seven days or until all issues are addressed. Good work on the article! — Levi van Tine (t – c) 11:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, the article is now passed. — Levi van Tine (t – c) 05:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Reverts

RE: this and similar edits. Firstly, the source does not say anything about a poll and indeed says very little at all. Secondly there is little indication that genesispoll.com is a reliable source and seems at best to a primary source. It seems that thus far no reliable secondary source (at least English language) has cared to comment upon the game's supposed rerelease. This should be left out until there is reliably sourced information of some actual substance available. bridies (talk) 10:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Genesispoll.com is the site Sega is using for that purpose (see e.g. this post on Sega.com, which links to genesispoll.com), making it a primary source. Mike Fahey wrote about the poll on Kotaku. Nifboy (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The message on the site doesn't even mention the poll though. Mike Fahey's article would be a better source but it was written when the poll was still on-going. bridies (talk) 01:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured article status

Just a note from the original author of this page...I'm extraordinarily pleased to see it featured on the front page of the site, and I'm pleased to see that the community here has taken what I originally wrote nearly five years ago and embraced it, improving it to an extent that it qualifies for such a high honor. Congratulations to all involved. Jam on, Wikipedians! - Erbo (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• I, for one, want to congratulate everybody involved in the edition of this article for making it a Featured Article. I Nostalgia'd when I saw this for the first time in more than a decade. Keep up the good work. --201.166.41.5 (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I think the use of the word "nostalgia'd" (sorry: "Nostalgia'd") pretty much says it all 90.221.226.158 (talk) 05:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Given that this is a featured article and on the Wikipedia front page, I'm concerned about these two sentences in the "legacy" section:

There also been demand from fans for ToeJam & Earl to appear as playable characters in the upcoming Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing, which is again met with licensing issues. Greg, posting on the Sega forums under the pseudonym 'Big Earl', has responded to this and is in talks with Sega about the possibility of including them as downloadable content, as well as ToeJam & Earl on XBLA.[1]

The first sentence is unsourced. The second has a forum post as its source, but I don't see how we're supposed to be able to verify that it is written by the person it is attributed to. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

This was just added today. bridies (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I realise that but shouldn't it be removed since it threatens the article's FA status? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for removing it, Bridies. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The name ToeJam

No discussion of the name ToeJam? In British English slang, at least in the Midlands, 'toe jam' is the gunk you get between your toes if you haven't washed them often enough (a mixture of dead skin, sock fluff and other oomska, I guess). Not sure if it's a phrase used in the US at all. Just to date me, I was using the phrase in the early 70s. 86.134.26.104 (talk) 09:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Ooh look here it is at Urban Dictionary [2]. 86.134.26.104 (talk) 09:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

It's used in Canada, and I'm pretty sure in the US. Not just British English. Zazaban (talk) 19:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is used/understood in the US. Brutannica (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Cartoon?

I and several of my friends recall a cartoon adaptation of Toejam & Earl, or a program that was the inspiration for the game. Unfortunately, my ability to locate info on the web concerning it is very limited. If one of the more info-savvy wikigurus could find anything, I'm sure this article (or another in the TJ&E franchise) will benefit from it. Unfortunately, I can't really pin down when I watched it year-wise, so I can't give any timeframe for when the program was aired, nor a channel on which it was shown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaeos (talk • contribs) 04:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Cartridge size

Per this discussion, the size of the cartridge is not likely verifiable against a reliable source. It's questionable whether this technical detail should be in the infobox, but at least please provide a reliable source for the cartridge size before adding it back in. bridies (talk) 09:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)