Talk:Timpanogos

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Change article name?

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In historical documents, the Timpanog or Timpanogos people are most often referred to as Utahs or the 'Utah Indian' Tribe. When Timpanog, Timpanogos or many of the numerous variants of that name is used, Timpanogos is certainly most common and most prominent. Therefore, I suggest that this article be renamed from TIMPANOG to TIMPANOGOS.FCivish 21:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FCivish (talk • contribs)

• Agreed if Timpanogos is indeed the most common term in the literature, per Naming Convention. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 02:16, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
• Yes it is. In fact, other than this article, and articles associated with it, you will rarely if ever encounter the name Timpanog, though you might occasionally encounter other Indian variations, such as Timpiavats or Tumpanuwac. In fact, I'd say that those Indian variations might be slightly more common. Meanwhile, the name Timpanogos is nearly universal and widespread in its use in Utah. Do a Google search for TIMPANOG, and, other than this article, nearly everything that shows up is TIMPANOGOS. How do we go about changing the name? FCivish 10:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FCivish (talk • contribs)
• Agreed - This is also the term that the tribe uses to describe itself. The redirect says Timpanogos is plural of Timpanog, but I see no evidence of that being the case.FreePeoples (talk) 19:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Original research

There appears to be an effort to justify the tribe's position on its status separate from the Ute, but it is not well-sourced and some appears to be Original Research (OR). It would be useful for a knowledgeable editor to add what process the tribe is following in asking for clarification of its status from the Dept. of Interior - has it filed with BIA for federal recognition since 2002? The encyclopedia may be appropriate for discussing issues, but in a more neutral way. More secondary material needs to be assessed and cited, especially from court cases that seemed to be mostly about issues other than the status of the Timpanogos, from my brief study of the 2015 federal Appeals Court case. I've noted the above discussion about the preferred name of the people and will correct changes I had made, referring to them as the Timpanogo (which I understood to be similar to saying "the French".)Parkwells (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources

Much of this article relies on material from the Timpanogos website. I understand that the people claiming to be a tribe have their own position and history, but there needs to be more content and cites from secondary sources. I have not been able to get through all the court cases, but am not sure I agree with the Timpanogos interpretation of the rulings. It would be useful to get other perspectives, even if those are shown to be incorrect. Article continues to need substantial work and more citations. it would also be useful to follow the fairly standard approaches of other articles on Native American peoples, with sections on Culture, Religion, Government, etc. There is no data on demographics and the tribe's estimates of current numbers, or their internal relations with the Ute. Do they vote? do they have people in government? When did the controversies about status start?Parkwells (talk) 02:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Recent addition of uncited content

I reverted the recent edit here because there was no source for the content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Also removed this uncited content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC)