Talk:Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 September – 30 November 2023)

No of Paramilitary Soldiers in Ukrainian Army

Most of the Uniform worn by Ukrainian Soldiers are not miliary issue but brought from Hobbyist lack of patches units divisions and lots of special flags (Not Issued by Ukranian Military)

What is the percentage of Volunteers (Paramilitary) Soldiers in Ukrainian Army.

Why Hobbyist? they are wearing gear (Replica) of Special Operators. Most of their Vests don't have Ceramic Protection/Steel Plate. Most of their helmets also are not miliary issue and design is borrowed from Amphibious Recon. Helmets have a single purpose Protect the Brain. Theses helmets don't offer protection below the ear, which is fodder for Snipers.

Images are not clear, but in most of the Images the soldiers are wearing different boots

103.178.144.56 (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Breakpoints

Perhaps August 3^rd & 4^th should be considered as the first breakpoint, and September 21^st & 22^nd, as the second:

• The first portion, spanning from June 8^th to August 3^rd, as pre–breach;
• The mid–portion, spanning from August 4^th to September 21^st, as breaching the Surovikin line;
• The last portion, spanning from September 22^nd to the present day, as post–breach.

81.196.204.207 (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Ukraine accused Russia of giving seized Ukrainian weapons to Hamas

I’m not sure if this is a better fit for the Ukraine war timeline or for the article on the Israel-Gaza war, but it’s definitely notable enough for a mention in at least one of the places. Ukraine is effectively tying the two conflicts together by claiming the Hamas attack is a Russian attempt to divert the world’s attention from Ukraine. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:77FB (talk) 02:54, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

For What it's worth, ISW also point that Russia communication on Hamas' attack is used to undermine west support to Ukraine, so that's relevant to the Russio-Ukranian war.

ISW also added a section in their daily report specically about that.

I do not now if the source you linked is worth mentionning, however I do think the communication of Russian's politics about Hamas affecting west support to Ukraine should be mentionned. 178.23.152.132 (talk) 07:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Added info using different sources. -- Primium (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Russian new offensives as the start of a new phase

1 September 2023 as the separation of the fifth (the Ukrainian counteroffensive) and the supposed sixth stage this article appears to represent is completely arbitrary. In the view of Ukraine's counteroffensive having evidently failed and on the restarting of Russian offensive operations [1] [2], I suggest that we use Russia's renewed offensive against Avdiivka as a true separator of these stages. At least we could define this supposed sixth stage as one in which Russia has the initiative again. Still, things might change a lot in the next few months, I might change opinion on the future, but right now this is what looks better to me. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 19:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

From developments since, such as Russian offensives around Bakhmut and continued attack on Avdiivka, this separation would make a lots of sense. We are now in a Russian offensive phase. Vauia Rex (talk) 10:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Inclined to agree. Do we have available numbers to back it up, particularly ground area or settlements taken? Borgenland (talk) 10:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

At this rate, I think we can agree that Ukraine’s offensive phase has been over with for a while now since there’s been no news lately of Ukraine making any gains on the front lines. And meanwhile Russia has been making more gains around Avdiivka and Bakhmut recently, I would consider this a new phase in the war. Agartha358 (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit extended-protected request

In the 1 October section, consider fixing the red link:

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[[Andrey Sychevoy]]

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[[Andrei Sychevoi]]

or

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[[Andrey Sychevoy]]

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[[Andrei Sychevoi|Andrey Sychevoy]]

or create a redirect. The redlinked Andrey Sychevoy is a candidate for {{R from alternative transliteration}}.

The cited source has transliterated the name as "Andrey Sychevoy", however from a glance the Andrei Sychevoi seems to be the same person. 84.250.15.152 (talk) 02:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Changed to Andrei Sychevoi. Thank you for mentioning it. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I've also submitted the redirect request to WP:AFC/R (Special:Diff/1180511321). 84.250.15.152 (talk) 02:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

RAF

@Borgenland and Primium: Do you really think these two edits are good? Tuvalkin (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't speak on behalf of Borgenland. Otherwise, as I wrote in my edit summary, Royal Air Force is already linked earlier in the article, so yes. -- Primium (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I usually abbreviate it if it was already mentioned before. Borgenland (talk) 21:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I didn’t mean that silly rule about «too much blue», that’s a matter for another day and place. What I meant was to characterize this one RAF as the British one: You say Royal Air Force, but which one? — is it the Spanish Royal Air Force?, the Saudi Royal Air Force?, the Swedish Royal Air Force?, the Swazi Royal Air Force?… There is more than one kingdom in the world, and those are only I could remember, starting with "S". This is the English Wikipedia, sure, but it’s English as in the English language, not as in the Wikipedia of England. This is even less acceptable in an “foreign” topic like this. Sure you can say that the only Royal Air Force that could possibly be envolved in this conflict is the British one, but this is an encyclopedia, not a current events cable: Completeness is important for readers of all ages, backgrounds, and eras (this article will be read 50 years from now, too), and especially so in an article like this one — a list of atomic entries, not a coherent prose. Tuvalkin (talk) 04:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

British Royal Air Force: I am inclined to agree with @Tuvalkin's reasoning about this topic. Kubis (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 November 2023

{{edit extended-protected|Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 September 2023 – present)|answered=____~°|•~°

2603:9001:5700:130A:FDBE:6427:D249:8355 (talk) 03:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Vague request. Not to be granted. Borgenland (talk) 03:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 November 2023

Replace all instances of 'Left Bank' and 'Right Bank' of rivers with East/West. Left/Right are used without reference so it's impossible to tell if the speaker means East or West. There are instances on this page were 'Left bank' means 'West' and places where they mean 'East'. 2601:801:381:61B0:99B6:A7F:D796:5EE7 (talk) 12:57, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Done. Borgenland (talk) 13:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

"Left" and "right" are usually with respect to the direction of the river (i.e. looking towards its mouth), and left-bank Ukraine has an accepted definition. Nonetheless, these terms are definitely confusing to some extent, and changing to East/West is much more clear. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 13:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 November 2023

Timeline Event for November 16th contains a spelling error; Change from "same 2,400 Ukrainian children" to "some 2,400 Ukrainian children" SparrowSparrow (talk) 01:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done – I've replaced "some" with "more than" per the cited source. Tollens (talk) 07:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Ukrainian Children

Has Russia retaliated over the BBC One Panorama television programme that was broadcast on 23/11/2023 about the Ukrainian children that were kidnapped by the Russians and taken to Russia during the invasion in 2022?

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

25th of November needs an update. Air Forces of Ukraine stated, that during the night they managed to destroy 74 out of 75 drones compared to current 71 out of 75 2A00:23C7:90A1:CE01:7C4C:A45E:F82D:8798 (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Done. Added confirmatory ref. Borgenland (talk) 13:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Weather

How much have the current winter storms affected military operations in the war zone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Not much word yet. Tho I read one Russian Navy ship was placed on active duty despite the storm. Borgenland (talk) 07:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2023

add December 2023 section Ukraine claimed to have shot down 1 out of the 2 Kh-59 missiles and 18 out of the 28 Shahed drones launched by Russian forces during the morning of 1 December. Redbeansoup (talk) 06:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

someone has done this already. thanks. Redbeansoup (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Shadow311 (talk) 01:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

References

New section?

The Russian army is on the attack currently, and the ground is starting to freeze as winter comes. Is it safe to say these attacks are attempts to consolidate captured territory, securing access to Donetsk by aiming to dislodge the ZSU from Avdiivka? Or are we waiting for a declaration from the ZSU to state that offensive operations have ended?

https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-war-interview-winter-75f1f785b17452fc23819d459e6ab64b The president himself said the war has "entered a new phase" 46.230.135.225 (talk) 11:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I think we still need confirmation from relevant military institutions. Borgenland (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2023

9 Dec section needs update. Add Zelenskyy visited Cape Verde on his way to Argentina and met with Prime Minister José Ulisses Correia e Silva. https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/prezident-ukrayini-zustrivsya-z-premyerom-respubliki-kabo-ve-87621 https://twitter.com/UlissesCorreiaa/status/1733568581760147544 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/9/7432397/ Redbeansoup (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Needs direct connection and relevance to the war. Otherwise, this would just be a WP:ROUTINE foreign visit. Borgenland (talk) 06:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect description of a Su-24 shootdown

"The Ukrainian Air Force claimed to have shot down a Russian Su-24M bomber aircraft preparing to launch airstrikes near Snake Island with an anti-aircraft missile from an Su-30SM fighter plane." Is incorrect, the aircraft was shot down with a Patriot missile, it was simply being escorted by a Su-30. Coobadge1 (talk) 01:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Conspiracy?

Have any links been found between the US Congress blocking more military aid to Ukraine, President Zelensky's visit to the US and the US Government issuing an Act of Impeachment against President Joe Biden? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This is an article of events that occurred during the war, not speculative and possibly WP:FRINGE matters. Borgenland (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Name of Journalist

In the December 23 topic, in the reference to the article about the UK sending vehicles to Ukraine, I corrected a typographical error in the name of the journalist, from Abbey Fenery to Abbey Fenbert. Fenbert was subsequently changed to Fenert. To head off an edit war I am announcing here that I am changing it back to Fenbert, which is the spelling in the source. John Sauter (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Split, again

The current readable prose size is 108 kB, seems like it's time for another split. Maybe we can split from the start of December? HappyWith (talk) 18:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Just now a municipality appeared to have fallen to Russia. Borgenland (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Seems like there were no objections, so I've performed the split. HappyWith (talk) 16:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 December 2023

In section for 23 December, change language of, "The ISW, citing statements from the Russian 810th Naval Infantry Brigade, assessed that Russian forces had begun using chemical weapons against Ukrainian forces in Krynky," to be less ambiguous. Specify the chemical agent in use is CS gas (tear gas), as seen within the cited source. 2603:9001:1D00:67A0:FDAB:1E21:6CC5:DB12 (talk) 13:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)