Talk:Tabernacle Choir/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cremaster irrelevant

Why is the mention of the 2nd Cremaster film considered irrelevant? --203.26.206.130

Because it's an incredibly obscure film. It looks like you linked it just to prevent the article from becomming an orphan. Nowhere does The Cremaster Cycle article mention the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, so they couldn't have played a key role in the film. And from the description of the series, it doesn't sound like they'd appear in it willingly. The choir has been featured in scores of other much more widely seen movies (knowingly and willingly, such as Mr. Krueger's Christmas), but the article doesn't mention those films. The art film is just too obscure to merit mention. If you want to make a case, state it here. We can talk about it. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:12, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

I think the very obscurity of the film is what makes the fact that the Mormon Tabernacle choir participated interesting. And the reader of this article will not be left wondering 'what is the second film of the cremaster cycle' - there's a hypertext link to the Cremaster article. On this encyclopedia, we have the opportunity to be as comprehensive as possible. Other projects involving this choir are noted on the page, such as work with orchestras etc. therefore why not list all film appearances or soundtrack mentions just for the sake of accuracy and offering as much information as possible? I added the Cremaster reference because it was interesting to me that a religious choir would be involved in a film such as Barney's. The film is set in the Salt Lake Valley, hence the inclusion. Maybe a reference to the choir should be added to the Cremaster page? And the phrasing should probably be changed from 'This choir also features...' to 'This choir also appeared in...'

Did the MoTab participate or were they merely included? I highly doubt that the MoTab would actively participate in a movie named after testicle muscles, no matter how artistic it was. Including them is one thing, having them perform for the film is another.

Being comprehensive is one thing, but mentioning every fleating relationship is another. For example, should we mention that John Cusack appeared in The Player even though his participation was by chance and he was onscreen for about 3 seconds?

So, yes, if you think it is that interesing, include the information on the Cremaster page.

And please sign your posts. You can do this with 3 or 4 tildes (~~~ or ~~~~). The latter form adds a timestamp. Peace. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:23, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

They were included on screen. I suppose what this comes down to is the division between information and trivia. 203.166.57.11 01:08, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Craig Jessop steps down as director, Mack Wilberg appointed interim director

The Church announced today that Craig Jessop, Choir director for the last ten years, is stepping down to enjoy family time, resume teaching, and work on personal projects. Mack Wilberg will serve as interim director until a new director is chosen. See the following sources for verification. Consequently, this article should be changed to reflect newest information. Jessop stepping down as director of Mormon Tabernacle Choir Choir's Jessop is resigning Tabernacle Choir Director Jessop resigns Hope this information is helpful to you. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 00:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he is doing a fantastic job which you can see on TV/BYU Channel. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

YouTube spamming

Do we really need all those links to YouTube at the bottom of the article? I can understand a few, just to give interested readers some example, but do we need like a dozen? Anyone competent with a web browser can just search YouTube for more examples if they're interested. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 19:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Let's just leave one for now, so the novice YouTube users can at least find others easily if needed. --Eustress (talk) 03:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Improvement

The History section needs to be expanded substantially considering the Choir's longevity. With whom they have performed, where they have performed, the beginnings and evolution of the choir, etc. It would also be nice to integrate the tour lists into some kind of prose. I'll also look for more pictures. --Eustress (talk) 03:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC) I am distressed to see the non-journalistic style of this article, and that it is locked to prohibit editing. This platform, Wikipedia, is intended to be third-person unbiased and omniscient. I got this far: "The LDS Church has considered music a vital part of worship from the beginning of its history. Early headquarters of the Church in Kirtland, Ohio and in Nauvoo, Illinois both had standing choirs. It was no surprise then..." and cringed at the clearly copy/paste from LDS promotional material. Better stated as "The LDS Church has involved music in its worship from the church's inception. Early headquarters in Kirtland, Ohio, and Nauvoo, Illinois, both had standing choirs." DELETE "It was no surprise then..." as totally first-person editorializing, totally inappropriate. -- Editor-at-large Sept 13 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.114.253 (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Discography

The discography could really use dates on all of the albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johncolton (talk • contribs) 18:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Here are the ones I tracked down just now, from information on their website. I found the search function here to be very useful, although browsing for the CDs did not hardly work at all. http://www.mormontabernaclechoir.org/products/search A Christmas Gloria - 1998 Choose Something Like A Star - 2005 Christmas With The Mormon Tabernacle Choir - 1993 Consider the Lilies - 2003 Copland: Old American Songs - 1987 Live in Jerusalem - 1993 Love is Spoken Here - 2005 Handel: Messiah (complete, conducted by Sir David Willcocks) - 1995 More Greatest Hits 18 Best-Loved Favorites - 1995 O Divine Redeemer - 1992 Peace Like a River - 2004 Ring Christmas Bells - 2009 Showtime! Music of Broadway and Hollywood - 2007 Spirit of America - 2003 The Sound Of Glory - 2001 Johncolton (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I can work on that!71.202.132.106 (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

How is the choir used during services?

There is no discussion of how the choir participates in services at the Tabernacle, assuming it does so. Given that this is a religious choir, some discussion of its religious role is warranted. --Bruce Hall (talk) 12:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

The Choir has its own weekly broadcast "Music & The Spoken Word." It also customarily provides music for at least 3 of the 5 general conference sessions held in the Conference Center. Unless I'm mistaken, all of that is mentioned in the article. If you could provide specifics to clarify what you mean, we might be able to help you more. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 01:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Good Q/A. Services are in ward chapels, stake centers, and mission field buildings; sessions and ordinances are in temples; and the Tabernacle and Conference Center are for musicals, world broadcasts, and ETC. Hope this helps, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

External links

I was reverted here, and reverted again: these fall so foul of WP:EL that they're practically spam. (The argument that "they're relevant to the article" doesn't mean anything.) If I must: "Music and the Spoken Word Official website" is irrelevant since that isn't the topic of the article; it's an associated act that's already wikilinked. The EL section is not for associated links. "Bonneville Communications, Producer of Music and The Spoken Word: why would we list the website of the company that produces something that's not the topic of the article? "Official YouTube channel": website is already listed so this is redundant. "Information on the Mormon Tabernacle Choir at Utah.com": clearly spam link. These links are not acceptable. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

With all due respect, that's just your opinion. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir and Music & the Spoken Word are inseparable. Without the Choir, there would be no "Music" portion of the program. The principal function of the Choir is to perform weekly with the official choir broadcast. That's established in the article itself. Instead of repeatedly reverting, you should wait for a consensus to be formed on this issue. That's two or more editors agreeing on one side or the other, whether you agree with the consensus or not. That's the way WP works. Please don't revert again until others have a chance to comment. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll take it to the spam board. I don't think I need to take advice on how Wikipedia works from an LDS advertiser. Drmies (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

well, you have 2 editors against you, jgstokes. I'm with drmies here. WP:ELNO says those links shouldn't be there. -- Aunva6^{talk - contribs} 17:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

And I clearly have at least three editors on my side, as evidenced by the fact that mine was neither the first nor only revert. However, I have looked at the links added by you and have no objections to the page as it now stands. I'm not entirely unreasonable. --Jgstokes (talk) 04:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I'm not an "LDS advertiser." I am merely a member of the LDS Church who has a vested interest in making the page the best it can be. Drmies's edits were not helpful. The work done by Anuva6 satisfies me completely. --Jgstokes (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Ref/Citations : Bare URLs

I am working to resolve the Bare URLs in Ref/Citations. Bear with me for a little while as it is a work in progress. Peaceray (talk) 02:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

The references you added look great! Thanks for doing all that research and finding these sources. If you find any others that might be helpful, please feel free to post them as well. Thanks again for your great work! --Jgstokes (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

All done! I removed the {{cleanup-link rot}} template. Just to be clear, I did not do the research or find the sources, except for replacing an irretrievable source. What I did do was to go to each URL & use the information (page info in Firefox, properties in IE) & the information from the web pages/sites to gather the info for the {{cite web}} & {{cite news}}. I also added wikilinks to the publisher & newspaper when available, & added the ISSN & OCLC #'s when I could find them. Peaceray (talk) 06:28, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

No book citations? Well, here's some possibilities.

There are no book citations in this article! There seems to be a number of books written about the Choir.

To begin with, here is what is online, ten books as of this moment.:

• "Search results for 'Mormon Tabernacle Choir' (eBook)". worldcat.org. Retrieved 2014-03-17.

Here is the list of all books in OCLC (Worldcat), about 292 books or editions in all formats:

• "Search results for 'Mormon Tabernacle Choir' (books)". worldcat.org. Retrieved 2014-03-17.

Here is a link to the {{Cite book}} template. At a minimum, one should be able to list the author last & first name, title, year & location of publication, the publisher, & an OCLC #. If they are available, please include a url for eBooks, the ISBN available, & an authorlink if there is an article on the author.

I did some work cleaning up bare URLs & the SLTrib citations; I am moving on to other articles. Happy editing!

Peaceray (talk) 06:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Church abbreviation keeps getting deleted

@Joemeservy: In the lead section, why do you keep removing "(LDS Church)" after "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"? Recent examples: [1], [2], [3]. "LDS Church" is used later on in the article, so the first time the church is mentioned, we use the full name and establish an abbreviation that will be used throughout the article. "LDS Church" is the recommended Wikipedia abbreviation used per WP:MOSLDS. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree WP:MOSLDS is clear. This is the way it is supposed to be.--- ARTEST4ECHO ^(talk) 20:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

It happened again. @Joemeservy: please comment here to discuss rather than just repeatedly removing it. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

MoTAB ?

I grew up in the Salt Lake City area, sang in ward choirs, high school choirs, BYU (five choirs, including tours to Las Vegas and Canada) and University of Utah choirs (including representing western states in Hawaii), and never heard the Tabernacle Choir referred to as the Mo TAB. I did, however, when I started college choirs, hear them referred to as the Tab Choir: "Come on, [sing right]; you are not the tab-choir", Kirt Weinsinger told BYU University Chorale my freshman year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Edwin Shipp (talk • contribs)

Is the intent here to explore whether MoTab is appropriately included in the opening as a colloquially-used nickname? Though this is no more scientific or reference-based than anything else might be, I have heard it referred to as the MoTab for many years and in many locations. ChristensenMJ (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I've found quite a few recent references to "MoTab" in media: eg, Daily Herald (Utah County), Salt Lake Magazine, and BYU TV. (Notably, it's often used in an article headline, no doubt to save space.) I've also found a few, though not as many, uses of "Tab Choir", most of them from the Daily Herald: eg, [4]. So it seems to me that both are likely legitimate short forms. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I grew up in Provo, and often heard the choir referred to as the MoTab, and now that the names been changed, TabCaTS (though tbh only from people in music). this is my first time editing a post, apologies for no sources beyond word-of-mouth Pocketstitched (talk) 05:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Status (amateur or what)

I think that the status of the choir needs to be mentioned for clarification. I don't like "all-volunteer" because that makes being a choir member sound like an unpleasant job that someone had to do. It also sounds slightly boastful on the part of whoever requires people to volunteer (COJCLDS in this case). Amateur is technically correct, but another editor thinks it has a negative connotation. I think the way it has been handled at the Huddersfield Choral Society seems a good way (I need to remove some peacockery there before you look). Does anyone else agree?. Op47 (talk) 16:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

peacockery removed now. Op47 (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I am personally of the opinion that "all-volunteer" is a and necessary and clarifying phrase. I know of some religious choirs I've heard of that have a system whereby they are compensated in ways for their service, whether such compensation is monetary or otherwise. Far from being negative, the phrase is necessary for that reason. And I don't appreciate the edit war, however minor, being waged over this issue. There's nothing "unpleasant" I can see about the phrase, unless anyone chooses to see it that way. And the fact that this so-called "peacockery" was unilaterally removed by you after just six minutes without allowing proper discussion to take place and a consensus to be reached first is a blatant breach of Wikipedia's policies regarding consensus. Since the phrase was added by consensus after much discussion, it would take such a consensus to sanction its removal or edit. I am therefore reverting, and would strongly encourage you not to revert again until sufficient discussion has taken place and a consensus has decided to retain or remove it. I always in these cases prefer to assume good faith, but this knee-jerk reaction on your part is not a good idea. Take it from someone who has done similarly in the past and been called out for it. --Jgstokes (talk) 08:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

When I said Peacockery removed, I was talking about the Huddersfield Choral Society, not the MTC. The change that I removed after 6 minutes was tha addition of world renowned. Bahooka removed the word amateur from the description and I agreed with him, if you had read the edit summary and I removed a similar phrase from the lede. I am not having an edit war, which you would know if you read my edit descriptions, and I resent that you are saying different. I have removed any hint of amateur and all volunteer so that a concensus may be reached. I note that your main interest is LDS articles and that you are an LDS. You need to be careful as this could be seen as having a conflict of interest. Your response is an example of why that may be a problem. My motive is to make this article neutral and I consider the implication to the contrary to be uncivil. Op47 (talk) 22:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Tour 2012 western us

In 2012, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir traveled to Ephraim, Utah for a concert at Snow College to celebrate the dedication of the Pioneer Heritage Gardens in nearby Manti, Utah.

https://www.lds.org/church/news/pioneer-heritage-center-and-gardens-dedicated-in-manti-utah?lang=eng — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiJolly (talk • contribs) 18:40, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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