Talk:Sweyn II of Denmark

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Coinage

Coin of Sven Estridson. British Museum.

Sven Estridson coin pendant, found in Mildenhall, Suffolk. British Museum.

A coin and coin pendant of Sven Estridson. Feel free to insert them in the article. PHG (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Where is Olav den Hellige and Harald Haarfagre?

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Harald_I_of_Norway

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Olaf_II_of_Norway

Source needed

They reached land and stopped at the house of a peasant to ask for something to eat. "What was the terrible rumbling in the night?" she asked. "Didn't you know the two kings were fighting all night?" asked one of Sweyn's men. "Who won, then?" the woman asked. "Norwegians," came the reply. "It's a shame on us, for a king we already have. He limps and is timid." "No," King Sweyn explained, "Timid the king of the Danes is assuredly not,"[clarification needed]defended another of the king's men, "but luck isn't with him and he lacks a victory." The housecarl brought the men water and a towel to wash themselves. As the king was drying his hands, the woman tore the cloth from him, "You should be ashamed of yourself for using the whole towel for yourself," she scolded. "The day will come when I will have your permission to use the whole cloth," was the king's comment. Her husband gave the king a horse and Sweyn continued on his way to Zealand.

The above passage is similar to Snorri Sturluson account in King Harald's Saga but there are a few factual mistakes. Could the source be given? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.93.254.128 (talk) 23:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Children

Can someone clean up the list of children and add scholary sources? Different sources vary on the list of his children. There is three Sweyn Svendsen listed. In medieval lands there is only two listed. Was Sweyn the Crusader actually an legitimate son of Sweyn II instead? If so why didn't he succeed his father in 1074? And can someone add the info on the Sweyn that was the father of Henrik Skadelår, the father of Magnus II of Sweden?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 04:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I would say that your question is a good one, Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy, but the answer is fairly simple. The conditions in the Scandinavian realms were still such, that legitimacy was less important than support from the clans and ability in combat. That also gives a hint on why it's such a mess with the lists of children./Johan M. Olofsson (talk) 13:10, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Vicky the Viking

Wasn't he model for "Sven the Terrible" from Vicky the Viking? 93.211.26.36 (talk) 09:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I had to look up Vicky the Viking, but it seems very doubtful. Sven is often used as a generic name for Nordic people, and the characteristics described in the article on the tv-series doesn't resemble this person at all. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 December 2024

• Sweyn II of Denmark → Sweyn Estridsson
• Canute IV of Denmark → Saint Canute
• Eric I of Denmark → Eric the Good
• Eric II of Denmark → Eric the Memorable
• Eric V of Denmark → Erik Klipping
• Eric VI of Denmark → Erik Menved
• Valdemar IV of Denmark → Valdemar Atterdag

– Google search would seem to indicate that these proposed names are the common names. "Eric" (with a C) seems to be the most common spelling for Eric I and II, and "Erik" is the most common spelling for Eric V and VI. Векочел (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Norse history and culture, WikiProject Middle Ages, WikiProject Royalty and Nobility, and WikiProject Denmark have been notified of this discussion. Векочел (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Google Scholar results:

• 722 results for Saint Canute, St. Canute, and variants vs. 326 results for Canute IV and variants
• 152 results for ("Eric VI" OR "Erik VI") AND Denmark vs. 285 results for "Erik Menved" OR "Eric Menved", with Erik Menved being by far the most common variant (241 results)

• Oppose Not necessary, and Eric should be maintained for all, in any case, as it is the English spelling. I think (?) this is still English Wikipedia. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
  • By the same token, the articles at Margrethe II and Frederik X of Denmark should be moved to Margaret II and Frederick X. As I stated above, there are more Google Search results for "Erik Menved" than for "Eric VI", and many of the results in Google Books for "Erik Menved" are English sources. Векочел (talk) 18:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

We stopped translating personal names around the year 1900. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The fact that Eric with a C is the traditional English spelling is totally irrelevant. What matters is how these monarchs are referred to in reliable English-language sources, giving slightly more weight to recent sources. There is a general trend away from anglicising proper names, and in some cases this can even change the common name of people or places that were historically anglicised. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. I am not getting similar results from Google Scholar for Eric II of Valdemar IV. One takeaway, however, is that there is no consistency and there may not even be a clear title "preferred" by RS in these cases. Srnec (talk) 21:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
  • There are 338 results in Google Scholar for "Valdemar IV" as opposed to 378 results for "Valdemar Atterdag". Granted, Google Scholar shows 219 results for "Eric II" Denmark and no results for "Eric the Memorable", but Google Search is showing 5260 results for "Eric II" Denmark as opposed to 7250 results for "Eric the Memorable". Векочел (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
    • A lot of the Valdemar Atterdage resuls look like references to Danish works. Srnec (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Erik Mendev and Erik Klipping. Here's the Ngram for Eric VI. Some of the results are of the form "Erik VI Menved", which cannot be used when deciding between "Erik IV" and "Erik Menved", so I have subtracted them from the results. For Eric V, a simple Ngram is not possible because "Eric V" can also mean people with the middle initial "V". Prefixing the search terms with King and assuming the frequencies stay the same, here are the results: Ngram. "Erik Glipping", "Erik Klipping" and "Erik V" are the three most common names (in this order). I prefer the second most common name, because the margin is small and the quality of the sources seems higher for that name (e.g. Knut Helle's and Sverre Bagge's books). The sources seem to prefer 'Eric' the closer we are to the Viking age, and 'Erik' for the later kings. IMO, Eric of Pomerania (Ngram) and Eric XIV (Ngram) should also be renamed to achieve some consistency. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)