Talk:Svetlana Alliluyeva

Alexej Kapler

It is not true that Svetlana's Lover, Alexej Kapler, was "sent to a Siberian camp and died". He was, indeed, arrested and exiled to Vorkuta, a coal-mining city near the polar circle. He did not live under prison conditions. And, more, important, he did not die there. He fell in love to the actress Valentina Tokarskaya (who was also exiled). After Stalin's death, both returned to Moscow, where he lived until 1979. Sources: Zalesskii, K.A.: Imperia Stalina. Moskva 2000; Vasilyeva, L.N.: Kremlevskye deti. Moskva 1996.

Stalina

So she was Stalina, and not Dzhugashvili. Did Stalin legally change his surname?

Hehe, Stalin WAS the law. So I guess so. Whether there was ever a formal bureucratic process to do this is for the Soviet historians to discern and duly annotate. Sjc

Have a look at the Russian-language Wikipedia, they've got Светлана Иосифовна Аллилуева. They use a father's name (Иосиф - Иосифовна) and not surname (Сталин - Сталина). It's approximately Svetlana Iosifovna Alliluyeva. I'll make the neccessary changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.9.45.216 (talk) 02:29, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Olga

What became of Stalin's granddaughter? Mmartins

Wondering the same thing, I found an article that said that Olga Peters went to Britain, but this was back in 1984 when she was 13 (does that line up chronologically? Fephisto 05:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

There was an article today in the (Portland) Oregonian regarding her: see http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/11/portland_granddaughter_of_jose.html. She evidentally manages a boutique in Portland, Oregon.PhilD86 (talk) 04:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Bristol

I recall reading that Svetlana Alliluyeva's second stay in Britain was in Bristol, but I can't verify it. Can anyone confirm this?

I was looking for info on Richard Carr-Gomm and came across the doc quoted below, so thought I'd look her up - I don't know if this will help with regards to her living in UK/Bristol:

1992 ▪ Stalin’s daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva, lived in a Carr-Gomm house in London. Time International Magazine reported:

“For SVETLANA ALLILUYEVA, the restless days of wandering the world have passed. The woman who will forever be known as the daughter of the monstrous Joseph Stalin lives quietly in a first-floor room at the end of a shabby West London street in a hostel run by a charitable society. The organization provides homes for single people who are isolated and in need of support or who have a history of severe emotional problems" http://carrgomm.org.uk/media/Highlights_of_our_History_2008.pdf

Gandru (talk) 19:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

In 1986 Olga left Tbilisi, Georgia with her mother and went back to Friend's School in Saffren Walden England. I first visited the 2 of them in Tbilisi, Georgia in early October, 1985 while with a US-Soviet Tennish FRienship tour. Svetlana gave me the name, address and phone number of Senator Hayakawa who was living in northern California. I called to tell them that Svetlana had received no mail and was interested in going back to the West. I later visited Olga at Friend's School in June of 1986. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibdaman (talk • contribs) 12:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Vorkuta

the labor camp of Vorkuta in Siberia

Vorkuta is not in Siberia. Siim 15:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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svetlana

svetlana actualy married Brajesh Singh. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.152.166.110

Unsourced, so not verifiable. --LeyteWolfer 04:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

According to the BBC- [1] Badgerpatrol (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

According to Allilyevas memoirs the Soviet government didn't allow her to officially marry SingTittelintuure (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Svetlana's supposed marriage to Mikhail Kaganovich

Svetlana did not marry Mikhail Kaganovich; she suggests that no such person, to her knowledge, exists. In "Only One Year" (Harper & Row, c1969, p. 382) she writes about "the story spread in the West about 'Stalin's third wife' -- the mythical Rosa Kaganovich...." and also about her own supposed marriage to a Kaganovich. Svetlana writes: "Oddly enough, in the West they stubbornly tried to relate us to the Kaganovich family. To my astonishment, I learned from the German magazine 'Stern' that I had been married to 'Kaganovich's son' -- to my astonishment inasmuch as Kaganovich had no son. I actually had been friends with his daughter, and the adopted boy in the family was ten years younger than I; he, when he grew up, married a girl student of his own age." ~~J. Anderson, 29 January 2007

Broken up

Someone who knows what they are doing should split it up into sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.12 (talk) 05:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Joseph and Ekaterina

What ever happened to her first couple of children, Jospeh, and Ekaterina? They seem totally forgotten during the article. Would be nice to know.

"Ekaterina" should probably be "Jekaterina" in accordance with the general rules of translitteration.Tzench (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

references have been requested

there's plenty of TIME articles about the time of her defection, e.g. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallbones (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

removed by an anon

this was removed by an anon - I'll suggest that it be reinserted with a proper reference in the proper form. Her religious beliefs are certainly relevent (if documented).

"During this time religion in Russia was taboo. So Christian's were unable to share their faith willingly & openly because the Government would raid their meetings or people would disappear. Svetlana has been quoted as saying:

I was brought up in a family where there was never any talk about God. However, I found that it was impossible to exist without God in one's heart.

This is in accordance to the book (Christians in the shadow of the Kremlin: by Anita & Peter Deyneka, Jr.)Another reason for which the Government of Russia had reason to arouse contoversies with her."

As always,

Smallbones (talk) 03:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Nationality - Russian?

There are no sources she has Russian citizenship, so I am removing it.DVoit 15:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Nationality=Ethnicity, not citizenship. Hence "Japanese American" - etc., etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.9.62 (talk) 00:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

That is definitely not how "nationality" is defined. Elizium23 (talk) 06:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it most certainly IS. Slang has introduced "nationality" to mean citizenship - which is in error.

Jewish?

"At 17, she fell in love with a fellow student at Moscow University, Grigory Morozov, also Jewish"

-what is meant by saying "also jewish"? Was her first lover, Alexei Kapler, Jewish? I can find no source for this claim. I think the reference should be removed unless some argument can be made for its relevance. (Did her father dislike her lovers because they were Jewish?)--Kpstewart (talk) 03:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Kapler does sound like a Russian Jewish surname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aadieu (talk • contribs) 16:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

According to Aleksei Kapler, he was born Lazar Yakovlevich Kapler – let's just say the chance that he was not born to a Jewish family is vanishingly small. The German article also says that he is Jewish. Unfortunately without attribution. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Mentally ill?

The article seems to describe a life that was one long series of erratic actions and decisions, coupled with continuous association with rather bizarre persons. Has anyone ever bothered to investigate Alliluyeva's mental health? Aadieu (talk) 16:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

What???--Jack Upland (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Death

She died Nov.22 2011. source http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/world/europe/stalins-daughter-dies-at-85.html?_r=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.157.89 (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Approached by United States embassy

In this wiki article it claims that 'Alliluyeva was approached by United States embassy in New Delhi', but there is no citation needed. However, in an article I came across it appears that she wasn't approached. http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/stalins-daughter-lana-peters-dies-at-85 I think this is an issue that needs investigation. Tweisbach (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Mother or daughter ?

The article says : In his memoirs, Khrushchev recalled an occasion when Stalin, during a drunken rage at a party, dragged a crying Alliluyeva onto a dance floor by her hair. However, in the reference, the newspaper article gives that Stalin became abusive in his later years & Kruschev's account is about Svetlana being taken by the hair and forced to dance. Anyone? Otherwise I'll change it. Manytexts (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Is your question about the name to use? It's standard to refer to the article subject by their surname so the article meets the name format the moment. Span (talk) 22:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't clear -- I meant that the article's quote refers to the mother and the newspaper refers to the daughter. Manytexts (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Length of stay in India

The article suggests that Svetlana spent 8 months in India, which is incorrect. According to her own biography "Only One Year" she was originally given a visa for one month. She arrived in India in December and overstayed her visa, leaving in early March (the 6th I believe). I will amend accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.4.249 (talk) 03:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Alitalia Flight to Rome

Don't know where this information came from but according to "Only One Year" she fled India with Qantas airlines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.4.249 (talk) 03:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Lana Peters in Georgian

Do we really need "Lana Peters" transliterated into Georgian? This seems to be yet another example of Wikipedians showing off, but adding nothing informative to the article.--Jack Upland (talk) 18:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Needs clarification

This sentence needs clarification:

They were not officially married, but they lived together for four years until she left for the United States in 1967 following his death.

As it reads now, it sounds like they continued to live together, even after he died, until she moved to the US. What it's probably trying to say is that she lived in that house for four years until he died, and then she moved to the US.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 10:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC) Esprit15d • talk • contribs 10:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

German text cut/pasted?

As of this writing, there is a huge chunk of German text in the middle of this article. I don't know the purpose of it, but I'd like someone more comfortable with editing pages to take a look. Zarchasmpgmr (talk) 23:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church

Catholic_Church_(disambiguation) shows that the "Catholic Church" can be understood in several ways. More correct to say that she became a Roman Catholic. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Mother's death

Her mother, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, died on 9 November 1932. The death was officially ruled as peritonitis resulting from a burst appendix. However, there were various other theories as to the cause of her death: murder on the orders of Stalin; that she was killed by Stalin himself; or that Nadezhda committed suicide.

My recollection from biographies of Stalin is that Nadezhda committed suicide, causing Stalin enduring grief. The above section relating "theories" about her death is contradicted by the following section of Nadezhda Alliluyeva:

On 9 November 1932, after a public spat with Stalin at a party dinner over the effects of the government's collectivization policies on the peasantry, Nadezhda shot herself in her bedroom. The official announcement was that Nadezhda died from appendicitis. (Citation: "Stalin's women". Sunday Times (UK). 29 June 2003. Archived from the original on 21 Nov 2003. Retrieved 26 March 2007.)

If this is correct, as I suppose, an editor should correct the above section in Svetlana Alliluyeva. – Sca (talk) 21:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done after verification. Sca (talk) 21:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Stalin not visiting his children

I have removed the following unsourced fragment:

Starting from this moment, Joseph Stalin ceased to visit his children; only the nursemaid and head of Stalin's security guards looked after Svetlana and her brother. One officer, Sergei Efimov, was charged with continuously looking after the two children

As I recollect Svetlana's memoirs her childhood was spent on Kuntsevo Dacha. It was the primary residence for Joseph Stalin and he obviously was not able not to to see his children there. Sergei Efimov, an NKVD general was the commandant of the Dacha, Svetlana writes that unlike the other officers he indeed loved the children but he obviously had many other duties other than personally looking after the children. Stalin obviously did not care much about his children but not to the degree the article suggested. Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

UK 1992-2011

There's nothing on her move to the UK or, barring one out of place sentence, anything on the 19 years she lived there. Anyone? Ganpati23 (talk) 14:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

date of conversion

is there a reason to say 'feast of St Lucia' and not at least include "Dec. 13"?--2607:FEA8:D5DF:FEF6:285B:FA7A:DE97:F2F0 (talk) 18:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Furor?

The lede claims In 1967, she caused an international furor when she defected to, and later became a naturalized citizen of, the United States. but, perusing the section about her defection, I can't seem to find any indication of international outrage or furor or pleasant rejoicing or anything, for that matter. Not that I doubt she caused a furor, but shouldn't the lede section summarize the body? Elizium23 (talk) 04:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

You might find a reference if you go back into the edit history of the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I love telling casual readers to grovel through the page history to explain something they read! Is that the solution to WP:V? "Go fish in the page history, it was once there but some well-meaning editor deleted it." Elizium23 (talk) 11:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

The term was introduced by Hephaestos (now retired, and seemingly much-missed), in a long and apparently well-informed contribution, 11 March 2003 - alas, long before the days of cited sources (and before the article acquired sectional or lede ~ body structure). The same contribution says further on tht "[d]ue to the high profile of Alliuyeva's defection, her outspokenness, her connections as daughter of Stalin, etc., the Soviet Union demanded and received from the United States, in December 1967, an assurance that any future Soviet defectors would be debriefed by Soviet officials before being granted asylum" - so it seems "furor" may be not much of an overstatement: and tht sources, at least for the Dec 1967 diplomatic activity, may well be findable. -- SquisherDa (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I have some sources that relate to that. I can't get to it right away, but will work on clarifying what happened in the coming days. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

"Stalinist crimes"

This phrase is POV trash, and should be replaced with language that at least feigns neutrality. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:7C84:C06:A3C1:2409 (talk) 02:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

IQ Test

the Miscellany section says, "When she defected to the United States, the CIA reportedly gave her an IQ test and her score was "off the charts."

This is a pretty stupid detail, I would say probably not encyclopaedic.

80.229.146.237 (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

British citizenship

How was the "British" citizenship acquired? In 1992? That is a bit unexpected and would need a clarification? How did it happen? 130.238.112.129 (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)