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Creeping SYNTH and OR
editSeems to me that there is some synthesis or original research creeping into the article. Consider this from the Expansion section:
However, a striking example of the line used to divide Dada and Surrealism among art experts is the pairing of 1925's Little Machine Constructed by Minimax Dadamax in Person (Von minimax dadamax selbst konstruiertes maschinchen)[1] with The Kiss (Le Baiser)[2] from 1927 by Max Ernst. The first is generally held to have a distance, and erotic subtext, whereas the second presents an erotic act openly and directly. In the second the influence of Miró and the drawing style of Picasso is visible with the use of fluid curving and intersecting lines and colour, whereas the first takes a directness that would later be influential in movements such as Pop art.
Whose "pairing"? Who is dividing Dada and Surrealism, and along what lines? Who says the first has "a distance, and erotic subtext"? And on and on, throughout the paragraph. I assumed I would go to those links and see a comparison of those two works, but I don't see that, we just have links to different paintings, and a whole bunch of unsubstantiated, unsourced verbiage which is both WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. This sounds to me like a Wiki editor passionate about art, inserting their own opinions into the article. The entire paragraph, text, sources, and all, should be removed. (As a secondary issue: those links are poorly done, with completely uninformative anchor text; but if the section is removed, that would be moot.)
I don't think this is the only example of this in the article, but I wanted to start with something concrete. I just hope this is an isolated case, and not the tip of an iceberg. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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- ^ Link to Guggenheim collection with reproduction of the painting and further information.
- ^ Link to Guggenheim collection with reproduction of the painting and further information.
- The paragraph could be more robustly sourced, but the second link does make a pairing; it reads: "From humorously clinical depictions of erotic events in the Dada period, such as Little Machine Constructed by Minimax Dadamax in Person, Max Ernst moved on to celebrations of uninhibited sexuality in his Surrealist works. His liaison and marriage with the young Marie-Berthe Aurenche in 1927 may have inspired the erotic subject matter of this painting and others of this year." Ewulp (talk) 23:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Good (and frankly more interesting, though more for the article on Ernst). The rest of it does look like OR and PoV. We can probably find RS that give some views on these works, and replace that wording with quotes from renowned art critics or something. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 23:25, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Three years later and not much has changed. Added section and inline tags to the #Expansion section. Mathglot (talk) 08:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)