Talk:Supermarine Stranraer

Useful sources?

These may be useful either as citation for current info, or for new info:

• Saskatoon Star-Phoenix - Sep 2, 1939
• New York Times October 13, 1935 (subscription required)
• Taming the Skies: A Celebration of Canadian Flight By Peter Pigott
• Canadian Warbird Survivors 2002: A Handbook on Where to Find Them By Harold Skaarup
• Military Aircraft, 1919-1945: An Illustrated History Of Their Impact By Justin D. Murphy, Matthew Alan McNiece

Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 02:11, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Citations

The article was last edited nearly 10 years ago, so I'm guessing no-one will mind too much if I develop the citation and use the Harvard style, one one I'm used to. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Supermarine Stranraer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: PizzaKing13 (talk · contribs) 05:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and review this article. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 05:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

The name parameter should say "Supermarine Stranraer"

Done, but kindly reverted by another editor. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

"Maritime Reconnaissance" → "Maritime reconnaissance"

Mention the year it was retired from military service

Later in the body, it says that several aircraft served until 1958, while the infobox says it was retired in 1957. Which is correct?

For the infobox see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft/page_content#Infobox "For the most part, as there is an appropriate field in the infobox itself, including the manufacturer in the "name" field is not necessary".Nigel Ish (talk) 08:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead

All good Y PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 05:59, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Design and development

Background

Is there not a specific year that development commenced?

Replace "However" with something along the lines of "Despite the rejection"

Prototypes and production

"During 1933" → "In 1933"

Remove "was placed" from "initial order was placed for 17 aircraft", there is a duplicate after the serial numbers

"during December 1936" → "in December 1936"

Do we know why the May 1936 order for K9676 to K9681 was canceled? Also, is this the same May 1936 order as the one mentioned in the prior paragraph? Seems odd to me that the mention of its cancelation is in a separate paragraph if that's the case.

I think the canceled bit was incorrect, it's now gone. Text now reorganised. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

"Supermarine and Canadian Vickers being subsidiaries of Vickers-Armstrongs" is a fragment (semicolon isn't used properly). Change it to "by Canadian Vickers Limited, as both Supermarine and Canadian Vickers were subsidiaries of Vickers-Armstrongs."

Description

Paragraph 1

Fix comma after "flying boat" to a period

Add "and" before "its take-off weight"

Typo in "all- metal frame" (?), remove the space between "all-metal"

"It was widened at the shoulders" What does that mean? Widened in comparison to what?

Paragraph 2

"As it progressed" As what progressed? Development?

I'm pretty sure it should be "wings'" rather than "wing's"

Is there a specific reason the Bristol Pegasus IIIM was chosen over the Rolls-Royce Kestrel?

Paragraph 3

Add "and" between "Stranraer" and "different"

Paragraph 4

Add "made of" between "which were" and "metal"

Is there a specific type of bomb the aircraft could carry?

I've looked but found no information. Amitchell125 (talk) 09:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Operational history

Military use prior to September 1939

Remove "Supermarine" from "The Supermarine Stranraer and its contemporary", we already know its from Supermarine

Add a comma after "from 1937"

Add a period after "they entered service"

"primarily by" → "primarily with"

Action during the Second World War

Make "use of the Stranraer for such patrols came to an end on 17 March 1941" its own sentence (take it out of the semicolon)

Civilian use

Add a comma after "From May 1935"

Remove "However," its not necessary

Operators

Military

[[File:Canadian Red Ensign 1921-1957.svg|22px]] [[Canada]] → "{{flag|Canada|1921}}"

Civilian

{{USA}} → "{{flag|United States|1912}}"

References are needed for Pacific Western Airlines and Wardair

Surviving aircraft

What happened to the other aircraft? Were they scrapped/destroyed?

References and sources

Sources, navbars, and categories are good Y

Images

Supermarine Stranraer 3 ExCC.jpg – Y

Supermarine Aviation Ltd, Woolston.jpg – Y

Supermarine Stranraer - John Player.jpg – Y

Supermarine Stranraer 2 ExCC.jpg – Y

Supermarine Stranraer 912.jpg – Y

Aircraft of the Royal Air Force 1939-1945- Supermarine Stranraer. CH2551.jpg – Y

Supermarine Stranraer.jpg – Y

Overall

Make sure the order of units is consistent. Background Paragraph 1, Description Paragraph 5, Military use prior to September 1939 Paragraph 2, and Specifications list Imperial (Metric). Description Paragraph 1 and Description Paragraph 5 list Metric (Imperial).

Neutral POV Y

Topic covered thoroughly Y

Stays on topic Y

Page is stable Y

Layout is good Y

Final remarks

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

@Amitchell125: Well done! Just some comments and suggestions to address and I'll pass this review. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 05:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@PizzaKing13: All points now addressed, hopefully. Many thanks for your thorough review. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: Everything has been addressed. I'll pass this article now. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 18:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Picture of the Supermarine Stranraer

• ... that the Supermarine Stranraer (pictured) was already considered obsolete when it entered military service? Source: Pegram, Ralph (2016). Beyond the Spitfire: The Unseen Designs of R.J. Mitchell. Cheltenham, UK: The History Press. ISBN 978-0-7509-6515-6. Page 137
  • ALT1: ... that the Supermarine Stranraer (pictured) had the nickname "whistling shithouse"? Source: Septer, Dirk (April 2001). "Canada's Stranraers". Aeroplane. No. 235. Stamford, UK: Key Publishing. Page 60
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/De Boom Die Alles Zag

Improved to Good Article status by Amitchell125 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 19:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC).

• Article was promoted to GA status on time. No close paraphrasing was detected. A QPQ has been done. ALT0 is cited inline, AGF on the offline source. ALT1 is cited inline, but the actual sentence that mentions the "whistling shithouse" sentence is lacking a footnote; the footnote referencing it needs to be duplicated for DYK purposes. There's also a missing space before "In QCA use". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I have to note that ALT1 is my preferred hook, but if it doesn't work out or if consensus says that it can't run then ALT0 is a good alternative. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Issues have been resolved. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:01, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, GTG. My preferred hook remains ALT1; however, if consensus states that it can't run due to the use of the word "shit", then ALT0 can be used as an alternative. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 and Onegreatjoke: could you verify the image's licensing status for me, please? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea how reliable this source is, but it says that the plane only served with the RCAF until 1946 and it claims that the pic was taken by them, so while I couldn't find an actual year or location, according to it the pic would have been taken no later than 1946, which is over 50 years ago. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 17:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Seems to be ripping from a newspaper, so I'll take it. thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Name

Seems the Stranaer was named for a town in Scotland. – Sca (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)